Re: Plonkworthy?
At 01:21 AM 6/7/2003 -0400, you wrote: In a message dated 6/6/2003 10:09:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now if you'd say, Red Sox's rule, Yankee's drool, then I'll have to jump on you with both feet. Kevin Tarr The correct reponse to any baseball reference would certainly not be Put a cork in it! I thought that was an eastern European form of birth control. Can't have too much Tarr on the bat, either. Curses! I'll get you brett, by George! William Taylor - The worst would to be said to be planckworthy. Nobody should be sent down a black hole. Kevin T. - VRWC or puckworthy, which Canadians aren't Even though there are Tarr's listed in Boston and Providence from before the revolution, it seems that my branch was actually named Tarbot until the middle late 1900's. Why it was changed, don't know yet. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
newspapers proclaiming people dead again
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/stromobit1.html Two months after TSG discovered pre-prepared obituaries for Ronald Reagan, Bob Hope, and other notable figures sitting on an easily accessible CNN web server, we've found another premature death notice online--this time for former U.S. Senator Strom Thurmond. On the web site of South Carolina's largest newspaper, The State, a detailed obituary package appears for the rickety Republican, who retired from the Senate in January, a month after turning 100. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: L3: World cancer death rates have increased...
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan Coffey wrote: --- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Harney wrote: Regardless of that though, you still have the problem of cooked meat having far more carcinogens than vegetables. That may depend on how you cook it. If what I've read recently is believable, boiled meat has less in the way of carcinogens than baked, fried or grilled. How do grilled vs. steamed vegetables come out as far as carcinogens go? I know that for many vegetables, raw is better than any cooking method at least in terms of preserving vitamins. I was reading recently somewhere...I am sure someone can provide feedback... that suggested that cooking (even cooking vegetables) reduced carcinogens and increased vitamin absorption. I think it was Scientific American...maybe it was a dream? I don't think it was a dream. There's at least 1 vegetable that ought to be steamed for a little while to increase the amount of a particular vitamin, but I don't remember which one, and I don't remember where I read it. Awfully helpful today, aren't I? :P But for many vegetables, you're at least as well off eating them raw, if you can handle it. I can with green beans, but I'd really, really prefer my broccoli to be steamed. Now see. Kim, my wife, likes her broccoli (not broke collie 87) steamed and her cauliflower (not collie flower 87) raw. I can't stand the flavor of cooked broccoli but love it raw. I can handle raw cauliflower but prefer it cooked. We were just talking about why this would be. We have concluded that it probably has something to do with the ultra bitter taste. I am a taster and she is not. She can eat a plate full of bitter melon, but I can only handle a small slice. That, and I think that cooked broccoli tastes something like bitter melon. Anyone else out their a taster who can corroborate? = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: newspapers proclaiming people dead again
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/stromobit1.html Two months after TSG discovered pre-prepared obituaries for Ronald Reagan, Bob Hope, and other notable figures sitting on an easily accessible CNN web server, we've found another premature death notice online--this time for former U.S. Senator Strom Thurmond. On the web site of South Carolina's largest newspaper, The State, a detailed obituary package appears for the rickety Republican, who retired from the Senate in January, a month after turning 100. I'm considering having my obituary pre-prepared as well. Some day everyone _will_...:) Come on, if you were in charge of obituaries at a newspaper wouldn't you get a bit board in the lulls and work ahead a little? = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Plonkworthy?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Harney Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 12:00 AM To: Brin-L Subject: Plonkworthy? I have been informed today that I have been plonked by one of the listmembers. Which listmember is irrelivant. The listmember informed me that my intollerance was reminiscent of Jeroen. When I recently rejoined the list, I sensed apprehension and fear from some list members at my return. I assumed I was just reading more into the messages than was there, and in all likelyhood the fear and apprehension was my own. Was I wrong? Are there listmembers that are affraid of me here? Do my posts seem intollerant? All opinions welcome, both on-list or off. I will not hold what is said against anyone. If enough people express a desire for me to leave I will do so and never return. The last thing I want is to make people uncomfortable. I haven't been following any threads for more than a week thanks to some extremely urgent personal stuff, so I haven't read the threads whoever plonked you was complaining about. (In fact, I only checked in to archive this folder on my HD thru Outlook when I noticed the topic.) I probably won't get to read 'em for a while since it's 2:45am and I'm tired enough to fall sleep upright in this chair. Speaking strictly for myself and not for the list as a whole, I'm glad you've returned and stayed. I don't always agree with your opinions, but I definitely respect both them and you. To answer your questions: No apprehension or fear here. I'm not afraid of you or your points of view. You're also not making me feel uncomfortable. I haven't seen you post anything that seemed intolerant. You may have posted something totally horrifying in the last couple of weeks that I missed, but I seriously doubt it. I'd like you to stay. Jon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: newspapers proclaiming people dead again
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Fool Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 2:29 AM To: Brin-L Subject: newspapers proclaiming people dead again http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/stromobit1.html Two months after TSG discovered pre-prepared obituaries for Ronald Reagan, Bob Hope, and other notable figures sitting on an easily accessible CNN web server, we've found another premature death notice online--this time for former U.S. Senator Strom Thurmond. On the web site of South Carolina's largest newspaper, The State, a detailed obituary package appears for the rickety Republican, who retired from the Senate in January, a month after turning 100. They could have saved themselves some major embarrassment by simply having a staffer keep a site on Strom similar to www.abevigoda.com going. Better yet, don't put the darn things on the net in the first place!!! :) Jon Okay, I better get to bed. :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
senior analysts question claims about iraqi mobile trailers
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/07/international/worldspecial/07TRAI.html?e x=1055563200en=736a006ea9e39eacei=5062partner=GOOGLE Some Analysts of Iraq Trailers Reject Germ UseBy JUDITH MILLER and WILLIAM J. BROAD American and British intelligence analysts with direct access to the evidence are disputing claims that the mysterious trailers found in Iraq were for making deadly germs. In interviews over the last week, they said the mobile units were more likely intended for other purposes and charged that the evaluation process had been damaged by a rush to judgment. Everyone has wanted to find the 'smoking gun' so much that they may have wanted to have reached this conclusion, said one intelligence expert who has seen the trailers and, like some others, spoke on condition that he not be identified. He added, I am very upset with the process. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Br!n: Br!n 9/11 statement shown accurate again
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 05:17:26PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: I'd rather have the perp easily arrestable, if possible. How about, zip ties and *then* run? I'll bet a lot of people would have trouble getting zip ties securely on a twitching, big, scary intruder in a highly stressful situation. Heck, I have trouble threading the zip ties sometimes in a calm situation. If you MUST bind the intruder, I'd think duct tape would be a bit more forgiving in a stressful situation. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
Oh my God Everyone run for your lives! Michael's coming!!! Heh, seriously, I'm not scared. Just no threats of real-life consequences (not that you have, just mentioning it), and you won't bother me. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
Michael Harney wrote: I have been informed today that I have been plonked by one of the listmembers. Which listmember is irrelivant. The listmember informed me that my intollerance was reminiscent of Jeroen. Plonking? What on Earth is plonking? No one told me about plonking--I want to go plonk a few undesirables myself... : ) Sounds pretty crazy to me! Michael, you have always been polite and civil. Why would anyone plonk you? I went back through the thread, and this is the WORST I could find: ... the prevelance in cancer in industrial nations. Your response is to act snide and immature? I had a response composed addressing the issues you brought up, but have no intention of participating in a discussion with someone who will not discuss the topic rationally and intelligently. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are well within your rights to say this kind of thing. No one should censure you for it! (Although the tone does come off a bit snippy.) I imagine most of us have done at least that much other times. What's the big deal??? ---David ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Plonkworthy?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of David Hobby
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 10:11 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Plonkworthy?
Michael Harney wrote:
I have been informed today that I have been plonked by one of the
listmembers. Which listmember is irrelivant.
The listmember informed me that my intollerance was reminiscent
of
Jeroen.
Plonking? What on Earth is plonking? No one told me
about plonking--I want to go plonk a few undesirables myself...
: )
From:
http://gopher.quux.org:70/pygfarm/dict.pyg?/jargon/DEFINITION/plonk
DEFINITION of 'plonk'
From Jargon File (4.3.3, 20 Sep 2002)
plonk excl.,vt. [Usenet: possibly influenced by British slang `plonk'
for cheap booze, or `plonker' for someone behaving stupidly (latter is
lit. equivalent to Yiddish `schmuck')] The sound a {newbie} makes as he
falls to the bottom of a {kill file}. While it originated in the
{newsgroup} talk.bizarre, this term (usually written *plonk*) is now
(1994) widespread on Usenet as a form of public ridicule.
Generated by dict.pyg for Pygopherd by John Goerzen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
dict.pyg and Pygopherd licensed under the GPL.
Jon
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Re: global attitudes project
Ray Ludenia (Fri, 06 Jun 2003 00:02:39 +1000) brought to our attention: A very interesting report on attitudes in many countries towards the US, globalisation, democracy, justice, etc. There is plenty of food for thought here for all, regardless of personal political beliefs. Doesn't matter all that much about what is actually true, perceptions are in some ways even more important if they determine courses of action. http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=185 I find this very interesting. While I have concerns on semantics in the article, like Ray says; Doesn't matter all that much about what is actually true, ... so I will not dwell on that point. What I find more interesting is what is not said, and references that are not pointed at. What happened to questions 1-15? http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/185topline.pdf This is a follow-up to What the World Thinks in 2002. During my search I came across the following URLs before finding it (the URL is a the bottom of the list. Americans Lack Background to Follow International News PUBLIC'S NEWS HABITS LITTLE CHANGED BY SEPT. 11 Pew Research Center Biennial News Consumption Survey http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/156.pdf http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=156 Among Wealthy Nations . U.S. STANDS ALONE IN ITS EMBRACE OF RELIGION Released: December 19, 2002 http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/167.pdf http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=167 Makes reference to: [...] The project's first major report, What the World Thinks in 2002, focusing on how people view their lives, their countries and the world, was released Dec. 4, 2002 and is available online at www.people-press.org. [...] I had to go looking and found it! What the World Thinks in 2002 How Global Publics View: Their Lives, Their Countries, The World, America Released: December 4, 2002 http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=165 BTW, http://people-press.org/reports/ doesn't provide pointers to the PDFs of all their articles. I found references first by looking at http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/ Cheers! -- Han Tacoma -wondering how The Pew Charitable Trusts http://www.pewtrusts.com/ will be affected by http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.7: - the colon *has* to be typed! ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Amusement if your net connection is intermittent
Julia was looking for amusement on (Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:59:07 -0500 (CDT)) Our net connection keeps going down for a minute or 10 today, and I have something set up just pinging, so's I can look and see if it's down before I try to do something on-line. [...snip...] or you could just give yourself a break off-line and watch http://www.warriorsofthe.net/index.html after downloading it. It is a fantastic rendering of TCP/IP, Ping, ICMP, etc. in a animated format. The movie is available in several languages English, German, French, Hebrew, Dutch, Swedish and Spanish. The Trailer 58 sec 5MB mpeg. The complete Movie 12:40min mpeg, Good Quality 73MB, A High Quality 121MB Cheers! -- Han Tacoma ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
I guess I am still a bit neurotic afterall, at least when I am tired. My self-persecution complex often makes me overly critical of myself. I won't leave, but I am deffinately going to reconsider my mail reading/responding practices. New rule one: Never respond to mail when I am sleep deprived. I went to sleep very late on Thursday night(actually I didn't go to sleep until 2 AM Friday) because I was reading _Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep_ and got a bit carried away, but I still woke up at 7:30 AM. 5.5 hours hours is not enough sleep for me to function well. Another rule I am considering is just simply not to read any Brin-L mail on days that I am tired or not feeling well. That will prevent bad responses before they happen, but may create quite the backlog of posts. I will see what happens. I will apply both rules today, as I still feel a little under-rested. This will probably be my only post for today. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much... the wheel, New York, wars, and so on, whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely the dolphins believed themselves to be more intelligent than man for precisely the same reasons. - Douglas Adams ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Sleep Apnea
Anyone here have, or known someone who has, sleep apnea? I am curious about the before and after comparisons after beginning treatment. Not the obvious of sleeping better, but the more subjective things like cognitive ability, memory, physical health (including weight), etc. Just curious. Gary Slept good last night Maru. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Plonkworthy?
New rule one: Never respond to mail when I am sleep deprived. Another rule I am considering is just simply not to read any Brin-L mail on days that I am tired or not feeling well. That will prevent bad responses before they happen, but may Michael Harney Michael, I truly feel your pain. I have made some downright embarrassing posts when I am dead tired. I look at them the next day and wonder what the heck I was thinking while I was typing. Gary ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Br!n: Br!n 9/11 statement shown accurate again
Erik Reuter wrote: On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 05:17:26PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: I'd rather have the perp easily arrestable, if possible. How about, zip ties and *then* run? I'll bet a lot of people would have trouble getting zip ties securely on a twitching, big, scary intruder in a highly stressful situation. Heck, I have trouble threading the zip ties sometimes in a calm situation. If you MUST bind the intruder, I'd think duct tape would be a bit more forgiving in a stressful situation. And duct tape is even easier to come by than zip ties. Check. In a situation where there were several people available to tie an offender down, zip ties might be a better bet, but for emergency home use, the duct tape probably *is* better. Julia who knows where the duct tape is, but not the zip ties ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Picking apart the Matrix - no spoilers
Sometimes I have far too much time to think about things on the way to work. For example, in the Matrix universe, what functional reason would the machines have for plugging humans into a simulation (besides the obvious of being a plot device)? Wouldn't the power generation ability of humans be the same if they were in a vegetative state? It seems like the overhead of the simulation would not be worth the effort or even necessary for their purpose, not to mention the positive of not having to deal with the pesky and unruly humans in the simulation. Gary ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
Kevin Tarr wrote: Now if you'd say, Red Sox's rule, Yankee's drool, then I'll have to jump on you with both feet. Aw, you wouldn't do that to a pregnant woman, would you? :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: China RFID tracking people
Debbi explains the origins of fish on (Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT)) [..gone snip crazy...] I don't remember all the words it comes from, but IIRC ghoti is an alternative spelling for the sound fish [enou_gh_, ??, pa_ti_ence]... ;) ?? would be as in the plural of woman = w_o_men English is such a fun language! ...and there's more exceptions than there are rules :-) Cheers! -- Han Tacoma ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
Michael Harney wrote: I guess I am still a bit neurotic afterall, at least when I am tired. My self-persecution complex often makes me overly critical of myself. I won't leave, but I am deffinately going to reconsider my mail reading/responding practices. New rule one: Never respond to mail when I am sleep deprived. I went to sleep very late on Thursday night(actually I didn't go to sleep until 2 AM Friday) because I was reading _Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep_ and got a bit carried away, but I still woke up at 7:30 AM. 5.5 hours hours is not enough sleep for me to function well. Another rule I am considering is just simply not to read any Brin-L mail on days that I am tired or not feeling well. That will prevent bad responses before they happen, but may create quite the backlog of posts. I will see what happens. I will apply both rules today, as I still feel a little under-rested. This will probably be my only post for today. Posting while tired due to lack of sleep due to staying up to finish a PKD novel may not be the wisest choice. :) Perhaps if you're going to stay up to read novels and then post at a later time in a sleep-deprived state, you should try a different author. James White might not be too bad, depending on what you chose to read. Julia halfway through the first Sector General omnibus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people
Han Tacoma wrote: Debbi explains the origins of fish on (Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT)) [..gone snip crazy...] I don't remember all the words it comes from, but IIRC ghoti is an alternative spelling for the sound fish [enou_gh_, ??, pa_ti_ence]... ;) ?? would be as in the plural of woman = w_o_men English is such a fun language! ...and there's more exceptions than there are rules :-) Well, if every rule has 2 exceptions, then of *course* that's the case. :) The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them: either foreign forfeit leisure neither seize weird There's at least 1 more. Anyone? Julia who will give the whole *rule* if someone asks for it ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Picking apart the Matrix - no spoilers
Forget it. Humans are not a rational source of energy at all. The Matrix plotline is absurd. Just watch the graphics and the fight scenes, and turn off your brain. Or better yet, don't watch it at all. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Picking apart the Matrix - no spoilers
--- Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes I have far too much time to think about things on the way to work. For example, in the Matrix universe, what functional reason would the machines have for plugging humans into a simulation (besides the obvious of being a plot device)? Wouldn't the power generation ability of humans be the same if they were in a vegetative state? It seems like the overhead of the simulation would not be worth the effort or even necessary for their purpose, not to mention the positive of not having to deal with the pesky and unruly humans in the simulation. Gary In addition, how does this all work? where does the energy to power the humans come from? We get out energy from food, which inevitably get's it's energy from Sol. So in the story, where does the energy for the food come from? Do you think there will be an answer to these issues? What would that answer be? = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Han Tacoma wrote: Debbi explains the origins of fish on (Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT)) [..gone snip crazy...] I don't remember all the words it comes from, but IIRC ghoti is an alternative spelling for the sound fish [enou_gh_, ??, pa_ti_ence]... ;) ?? would be as in the plural of woman = w_o_men English is such a fun language! ...and there's more exceptions than there are rules :-) Well, if every rule has 2 exceptions, then of *course* that's the case. :) The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them: either foreign forfeit leisure neither seize weird There's at least 1 more. Anyone? Stein = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people
In a message dated 6/7/2003 12:39:18 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's at least 1 more. Anyone? Stein There are many steins in Leipzig, ja? William Taylor - After going through at $4 a book ...and again at $3 a book ...and then $10 a bag ...and then a second $10 bag, I found a copy of Anathema! Medieval Book Curses. Worth at least $100 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Picking apart the Matrix - no spoilers
Erik Reuter wrote: Forget it. Humans are not a rational source of energy at all. The Matrix plotline is absurd. Just watch the graphics and the fight scenes, and turn off your brain. Or better yet, don't watch it at all. I found the admission price to be worth the graphics, the fight scenes, and the people whom I find to be eye-candy. (Your tastes may (probably?) vary from mine.) I mean, Morpheus may not have been perfect, but I find Laurence Fishburne to be very easy on the eyes. And I'm not complaining about Keanu Reeves, either. I just wanted to be entertained. And I was. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy? Answer by Max Morath: Yes.
In a message dated 6/7/2003 11:58:35 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kevin Tarr wrote: Now if you'd say, Red Sox's rule, Yankee's drool, then I'll have to jump on you with both feet. Aw, you wouldn't do that to a pregnant woman, would you? :) Julia He'll probably substitute a set of bagpipes. William Taylor I only mention this as a foot note. Second idea. Would drunken Kzin going door to door singing Christmas carols be known as Cater Washaeling? Max Morath. Known for plonky honky tonk piano playing. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: World cancer death rates have increased by 35% from 1987 to1995 says WHO, and they'll double again by 2020.
Cancer-Mondial http://www-dep.iarc.fr/dataava/infodata.htm The traditional method of disseminating information about cancer is through books and articles in scientific journals, and IARC has a long tradition of publishing in this way (now available from IARCPress). http://www.iarc.fr/ Electronic publication provides an opportunity for increased access to the information we have collected over many years and increased flexibility in the information which can be obtained. The aim of this project is provide online access to data on the incidence, prevalence, survival and mortality of cancer held by the IARC Unit of Descriptive Epidemiology. http://www-dep.iarc.fr/thisunit/depunit.htm World Health Organization searches are helpful http://www.who.int/search/en/ My personal opinion (I'm omnivore -- I love my burgers, veggies, fish and most anything you put in front of me) is tigers, dogs, cats, and other carnivores (other than hman) IIRC have short digestive tracts i.e. a tiger is about 5 ft. so the meat in goes out quickly before rotting. Vegetarians have longer (a lot!) digestive tracts. When the veggies stay there for a while they tend to fart, while there is no evidence based research that the rotting meat causes cancer, there does seem to be anecdotal research suggesting such. Has anybody checked who farts more?, their dogs and cats, or their rabbits and cockatoos?, horses and cows? Cheers! -- Han Tacoma ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Sleep Apnea
At 02:38 PM 6/7/2003 -0400, you wrote: Anyone here have, or known someone who has, sleep apnea? I am curious about the before and after comparisons after beginning treatment. Not the obvious of sleeping better, but the more subjective things like cognitive ability, memory, physical health (including weight), etc. Just curious. Gary Slept good last night Maru. I know four people with it. Three have had treatments, one had surgery, another needed his nose adjusted, the third uses a sleeping device like a mask the provides positive pressure while sleeping. The fourth finally is seeing a doctor in a few weeks. What treatment are you talking about? Of the three things you mention, only weight has not improved. All were told to lose weight first anyway and none did. Three of them were told to not drink alcohol as much especially drinking then going right to bed. None of them stopped that. So it does improve your life, as far as being awake during the day. Kevin Tarr Good luck ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people
Julia (Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:05:02 -0500) writes: Han Tacoma wrote: Debbi explains the origins of fish on (Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT)) [..gone snip crazy...] I don't remember all the words it comes from, but IIRC ghoti is an alternative spelling for the sound fish [enou_gh_, ??, pa_ti_ence]... ;) ?? would be as in the plural of woman = w_o_men English is such a fun language! ...and there's more exceptions than there are rules :-) Well, if every rule has 2 exceptions, then of *course* that's the case. :) The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them: either foreign forfeit leisure neither seize weird There's at least 1 more. Anyone? ...and that would be in USA English, as opposed to Canadjian English, as opposed to Aussie English, as opposed to Blymie English, as opposed to [...oooh what the heck, I'm getting tired of typing -- one of these days when I make some extra money I'll buy Dragon-dictate or a simile] WORTHIBUTTER Szawry doctor! 'ees off 'iz bleumin' chump ee is! Gar well blymie ga yve me a bleedin... by John Mucci Qui debeat melius sapere Maru Cheers! -- Han Tacoma ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people
Amendment at the end. - Original Message - From: Han Tacoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people Julia (Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:05:02 -0500) writes: Han Tacoma wrote: Debbi explains the origins of fish on (Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT)) [..gone snip crazy...] I don't remember all the words it comes from, but IIRC ghoti is an alternative spelling for the sound fish [enou_gh_, ??, pa_ti_ence]... ;) ?? would be as in the plural of woman = w_o_men English is such a fun language! ...and there's more exceptions than there are rules :-) Well, if every rule has 2 exceptions, then of *course* that's the case. :) The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them: either foreign forfeit leisure neither seize weird There's at least 1 more. Anyone? ...and that would be in USA English, as opposed to Canadjian English, as opposed to Aussie English, as opposed to Blymie English, as opposed to [...oooh what the heck, I'm getting tired of typing -- one of these days when I make some extra money I'll buy Dragon-dictate or a simile] WORTHIBUTTER Szawry doctor! 'ees off 'iz bleumin' chump ee is! Gar well blymie ga yve me a bleedin... by John Mucci Qui debeat melius sapere Maru DRACULA (Undressed) a modern amorality play in Two Acts http://www.jmucci.com/plays/drac1.htm Cheers! -- Han Tacoma ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people
On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:05:02 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them: either foreign forfeit leisure neither seize weird There's at least 1 more. Anyone? Their? Dean ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: senior analysts question claims about iraqi mobile trailers
At 02:15 AM 6/7/03 -0500, The Fool wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/07/international/worldspecial/07TRAI.html?e x=1055563200en=736a006ea9e39eacei=5062partner=GOOGLE Some Analysts of Iraq Trailers Reject Germ UseBy JUDITH MILLER and WILLIAM J. BROAD I might, too, if I knew what JUDITH MILLER and WILLIAM J. BROAD are using the germs for . . . rimshot -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Br!n: Br!n 9/11 statement shown accurate again
At 03:28 AM 6/7/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 05:17:26PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: I'd rather have the perp easily arrestable, if possible. How about, zip ties and *then* run? I'll bet a lot of people would have trouble getting zip ties securely on a twitching, big, scary intruder in a highly stressful situation. Heck, I have trouble threading the zip ties sometimes in a calm situation. If you MUST bind the intruder, I'd think duct tape would be a bit more forgiving in a stressful situation. It worked perfectly well for the people who held up the chair and assistant chair of the chemistry department in the chemistry storeroom a few years ago . . . I Doubt They Could Make Much Drugs With The Tiny Amount Of Ether They Got Maru -- Ronn! :) Ronn Blankenship Instructor of Astronomy/Planetary Science University of Montevallo Montevallo, AL Disclaimer: Unless specifically stated otherwise, any opinions contained herein are the personal opinions of the author and do not represent the official position of the University of Montevallo. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:05:02 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them: either foreign forfeit leisure neither seize weird There's at least 1 more. Anyone? Their? That falls under the main rule: I before E except after c, or when combined they make the sound of long a. (There's a nice little ditty for that last bit which I don't remember.) Neighbor fits the general rule. Their does, as well, as does weigh. Conceive fits the part about after 'c'. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Farts Re: World cancer death rates
Han Tacoma wrote: My personal opinion (I'm omnivore -- I love my burgers, veggies, fish and most anything you put in front of me) is tigers, dogs, cats, and other carnivores (other than hûman) IIRC have short digestive tracts i.e. a tiger is about 5 ft. so the meat in goes out quickly before rotting. Vegetarians have longer (a lot!) digestive tracts. When the veggies stay there for a while they tend to fart, while there is no evidence based research that the rotting meat causes cancer, there does seem to be anecdotal research suggesting such. Has anybody checked who farts more?, their dogs and cats, or their rabbits and cockatoos?, horses and cows? I can tell you *which* of my 2 dogs farts more than the other, at least so's we notice it. :) I think there are stats on that sort of thing somewhere. I've heard that cow farts account for a measurable percentage of the greenhouse gasses produced. I've never had any pets besides dogs. (And with various allergies, I'm not likely to have that change.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: newspapers proclaiming people dead again
At 01:29 AM 6/7/03 -0500, The Fool wrote: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/stromobit1.html Two months after TSG discovered pre-prepared obituaries for Ronald Reagan, Bob Hope, and other notable figures sitting on an easily accessible CNN web server, we've found another premature death notice online--this time for former U.S. Senator Strom Thurmond. On the web site of South Carolina's largest newspaper, The State, a detailed obituary package appears for the rickety Republican, who retired from the Senate in January, a month after turning 100. Um, it is standard practice for all news organizations to have obituaries prepared for all famous people, and to periodically revise them to keep them up to date, as there is frequently not time to prepare one from scratch between the time they learn of the person's passing and the deadline for going to press or going on the air. (I wouldn't be surprised if they had one for Dr. Brin that they could pull out and print/air in the event that something happened to him. In fact, I'd be surprised if they didn't, though it might not be quite as extensive as that for Sen. Thurmond.) The only thing odd about the above story is that the pre-prepared obits were found on an easily accessible server, as they would be internal work documents. In reading the above link, my guess would be that at some time when that server was connected to the Internet (perhaps not directly or intentionally), one of Google's web crawlers wandered in and indexed those pages, and then someone found it while searching Google. -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: L3: World cancer death rates have increased...
At 12:58 AM 6/7/03 -0500, The Fool wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is also the possibility that these growth hormones might stimulate already primed cells to transform from pre-cancerous into full-blown malignancy. Which is why I drink organic milk also (no growth hormone, no pesticides in the feed, sick cows needing antibiotics taken off the production line). Even so cow's milk _still_ contains 59 hormones from the cow. I've never heard a cow moan, so wouldn't those be hormoos? Not Even A Contented Cow Maru -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
At 01:39 AM 6/7/03 -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote: Even though there are Tarr's listed in Boston and Providence from before the revolution, it seems that my branch was actually named Tarbot until the middle late 1900's. Why it was changed, don't know yet. Um, wouldn't the middle late 1900's be about the time you were born? Are you saying your father was named Tarbot? No Wisecracks About An Automaton Programmed To Pave Roads Maru -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Farts Re: World cancer death rates
In a message dated 6/7/03 5:35:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think there are stats on that sort of thing somewhere. I've heard that cow farts account for a measurable percentage of the greenhouse gasses produced. Not cow farts - cow burps produce a lot of methane. Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: World cancer death rates have increased by 35% from 1987to 1995 says WHO, and they'll double again by 2020.
At 04:27 PM 6/7/03 -0400, Han Tacoma wrote: My personal opinion (I'm omnivore -- I love my burgers, veggies, fish and most anything you put in front of me) is tigers, dogs, cats, and other carnivores (other than hûman) IIRC have short digestive tracts i.e. a tiger is about 5 ft. so the meat in goes out quickly before rotting. Vegetarians have longer (a lot!) digestive tracts. The reason that obligate carnivores have shorter digestive tracts than obligate herbivores is that a kilogram of meat contains more energy than a kilogram of vegetation (especially grass/leaves), and in a more accessible form. Because most mammals cannot digest cellulose, in order for them to make use of the nutrition in vegetation, the cell walls have to be broken down mechanically, either by a gizzard or by regurgitating the vegetable matter to be chewed again (or both). When the veggies stay there for a while they tend to fart, while there is no evidence based research that the rotting meat causes cancer, there does seem to be anecdotal research suggesting such. Other than the late-night commercials I have heard claiming that, and offering to sell a product which will clean out your colon? Has anybody checked who farts more?, their dogs and cats, or their rabbits and cockatoos?, horses and cows? FWIW, humans produce about one liter of methane per day. -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people
At 02:05 PM 6/7/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Han Tacoma wrote: Debbi explains the origins of fish on (Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT)) [..gone snip crazy...] I don't remember all the words it comes from, but IIRC ghoti is an alternative spelling for the sound fish [enou_gh_, ??, pa_ti_ence]... ;) ?? would be as in the plural of woman = w_o_men English is such a fun language! ...and there's more exceptions than there are rules :-) Well, if every rule has 2 exceptions, then of *course* that's the case. :) The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them: either foreign forfeit leisure neither seize weird There's at least 1 more. Anyone? Searching for *ei* in the New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary yields 1687 matching entries. (Maybe it isn't surprising that you couldn't remember that Alzheimer's is one of them . . . ) -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Farts Re: World cancer death rates
At 04:32 PM 6/7/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Han Tacoma wrote: My personal opinion (I'm omnivore -- I love my burgers, veggies, fish and most anything you put in front of me) is tigers, dogs, cats, and other carnivores (other than hûman) IIRC have short digestive tracts i.e. a tiger is about 5 ft. so the meat in goes out quickly before rotting. Vegetarians have longer (a lot!) digestive tracts. When the veggies stay there for a while they tend to fart, while there is no evidence based research that the rotting meat causes cancer, there does seem to be anecdotal research suggesting such. Has anybody checked who farts more?, their dogs and cats, or their rabbits and cockatoos?, horses and cows? I can tell you *which* of my 2 dogs farts more than the other, at least so's we notice it. :) Scientific Research Is Not Always Glamorous Maru -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: English rules Ex or current ceptions.
In a message dated 6/7/2003 2:33:19 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Conceive fits the part about after 'c'. Julia No no no. Not after the sea. During the sea voyage is more likely. William Taylor Parts is parts... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people
On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:31:00 -0500 Julia told Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:05:02 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them: either foreign forfeit leisure neither seize weird There's at least 1 more. Anyone? Their? That falls under the main rule: I before E except after c, or when combined they make the sound of long a. (There's a nice little ditty for that last bit which I don't remember.) Neighbor fits the general rule. Their does, as well, as does weigh. Conceive fits the part about after 'c'. ...uuuf!, and those rules are simple. Whan that Aprille, with hise shoures soote, The droghte of March hath perced to the roote -Canterbury Tales, Prologue, 1-2. Geoffrey Chaucer (1342 - 1400) When in April the sweet showers fall That pierce March's drought to the root and all ...and to think that the former could have been spoken if Gutemberg hadn't circa 1450 come up with the printing press. Cheers! -- Han Tacoma ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: English rules Ex or current ceptions.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/7/2003 2:33:19 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Conceive fits the part about after 'c'. Julia No no no. Not after the sea. During the sea voyage is more likely. Depends. If there's no seasickness in either party, then fine. But having sex with someone who's about to throw up is something of a turn-off. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: English rules Ex or current ceptions.
In a message dated 6/7/2003 3:44:28 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/7/2003 2:33:19 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Conceive fits the part about after 'c'. Julia No no no. Not after the sea. During the sea voyage is more likely. Depends. If there's no seasickness in either party, then fine. But having sex with someone who's about to throw up is something of a turn-off. Julia (And can be dangerous. See Spinal Tap.) Someday I am going to say something serious, Julia is going to reply with a joke, and the paramedics will have to tend to the gash on my head as I took out the AC on my way down. Until then, we'll just keep up the same old pattern. ;-) William Taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Br!n story in Analog....
Sorry if someone already covered this Just picked up the July/August issue of Analog and it has a story by DB in it. I have not read it yet so I am not sure if it is a new or old story. Gary ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Br!n story in Analog....
Gary Nunn wrote: Sorry if someone already covered this Just picked up the July/August issue of Analog and it has a story by DB in it. I have not read it yet so I am not sure if it is a new or old story. Yup, A Professor at Harvard. I wasn't even sure what made it SF until the last page or so, but the idea is a very cool one. __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Picking apart the Matrix - no spoilers
In a message dated 6/7/2003 2:36:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In addition, how does this all work? where does the energy to power the humans come from? We get out energy from food, which inevitably get's it's energy from Sol. So in the story, where does the energy for the food come from? Using humans or any other animal as an energy source is of course foolish since the energy needed to create a human is far greater than the energy that the human can generate. You could run machines on plants thus converting sunlight into complex carbohydrates that can be used as fuel. But why bother with this - just use mechanical devices to collect solar energy. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Picking apart the Matrix - no spoilers
In a message dated 6/7/2003 2:36:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In addition, how does this all work? where does the energy to power the humans come from? We get out energy from food, which inevitably get's it's energy from Sol. So in the story, where does the energy for the food come from? Using humans or any other animal as an energy source is of course foolish since the energy needed to create a human is far greater than the energy that the human can generate. You could run machines on plants thus converting sunlight into complex carbohydrates that can be used as fuel. But why bother with this - just use mechanical devices to collect solar energy. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: English rules Ex or current ceptions.
At 05:42 PM 6/7/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/7/2003 2:33:19 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Conceive fits the part about after 'c'. Julia No no no. Not after the sea. During the sea voyage is more likely. Depends. If there's no seasickness in either party, then fine. But having sex with someone who's about to throw up is something of a turn-off. I would suspect the one who is about to throw up is probably even less in the mood . . . Particularly To Be On Top Maru -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 10:31 pm, Julia Thompson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:05:02 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them: either foreign forfeit leisure neither seize weird There's at least 1 more. Anyone? Their? That falls under the main rule: I before E except after c, or when combined they make the sound of long a. (There's a nice little ditty for that last bit which I don't remember.) Neighbor fits the general rule. Their does, as well, as does weigh. Conceive fits the part about after 'c'. Theism Atheism Leitmotif Heist Heifer. Time to stop now :) The only rule we got at school was 'after c', and then one just learned all the exceptions. Everyone has a few words they can't spell I think. One of mine is 'resteraunt'. Oops! Restaurant. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ First they came for the verbs, and I said nothing because verbing weirds language. Then they arrival for the nouns, and I speech nothing because I no verbs. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The evils of eating vegetables (was Re: L3: Worldcancerdeathrates have increased...)
On 6 Jun 2003 at 22:58, Julia Thompson wrote: Michael Harney wrote: Did I say meat eaters are inferior? No. In fact, I never even said that people shouldn't eat meat in the cancer posts. If anything, my posts on the cancer topic only suggest that one should reduce meat consumption if they are concerned about cancer, and even that would be distorting what I said (all I really said even remotely along those lines is that there is vegetarians are less likely to develop cancer than meat eaters... ask your family doctor if you don't believe me... the doctor will probably agree and caution that vegetarians, unless they are careful about their diet and take the right suppliments, they are more likely to develop anemia, B-12 defficiency, and other conditions. I won't argue with that, it's just a fact). I never stated in those posts that people should stop eating meat. I've known various people who either became vegetarian for awhile, or just cut down on their meat consumption, and have felt better as a result. My sister will eat fish seafood at any time, but she reserves the eating of land vertebrates to once a month -- and as a I'm Jewish, amd I take the dietry laws pretty seriously. And given the fact that Kosher meat is pretty expensive (50% more so is a rough guide), and the fact that I won't eat anything with meat in when I'm out, I end up not eating much meat. I can't say that I've felt better when I haven't been eating meat. On the other hand, I know when I stop eating fish I tend to bet a bit down. Not sure exactly what does that in dietry terms, but I try to eat fresh fish twice a week. I end up eating some pretty nasty vegitarian stuff sometimes. It's not worth even bothering on most European airlines, frex. (flying El- Al, naturally, is wonderful :P) Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Farts Re: World cancer death rates
- Original Message - From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Farts Re: World cancer death rates At 04:32 PM 6/7/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Han Tacoma wrote: My personal opinion (I'm omnivore -- I love my burgers, veggies, fish and most anything you put in front of me) is tigers, dogs, cats, and other carnivores (other than hûman) IIRC have short digestive tracts i.e. a tiger is about 5 ft. so the meat in goes out quickly before rotting. Vegetarians have longer (a lot!) digestive tracts. When the veggies stay there for a while they tend to fart, while there is no evidence based research that the rotting meat causes cancer, there does seem to be anecdotal research suggesting such. Has anybody checked who farts more?, their dogs and cats, or their rabbits and cockatoos?, horses and cows? I can tell you *which* of my 2 dogs farts more than the other, at least so's we notice it. :) Scientific Research Is Not Always Glamorous Maru Excerpt from http://www.heptune.com/farts.html : A carnivore's protein-rich diet produces relatively small amounts of intensely stinky gas because proteins contain lots of sulfur. A dog's or cat's farts are rarely audible, but the odor is overwhelming.I have asked biologists why dogs and cats generally fart silently, and their theories include: (1) the amount of gas produced is small, but potent, (2) the horizontal orientation of their gastrointestinal system puts less pressure on the anal opening, so the gas is expelled more slowly, (3) their anal sphincters don't close as tightly as humans' because it takes less force to hold in the contents of the colon -- again because of the horizontal orientation of the gastrointestinal system -- and a loose anus makes less sound, and, my favorite (4) dogs and cats don't feel embarrassed about farting, so their sphincters are more relaxed, leading to less noisy flatulence. Mike F. points out that many dog foods are soy-based, so on top of all the above factors, add beans and stand back! Large herbivorous animals such as cows, horses and elephants, on the other hand, produce vast quantities of relatively non-stinky fart gas. The farts of these animals are noisy and can go on for astoundingly long periods of time. Cows in particular are productive, in part because they swallow huge amounts of air. They need oxygen in their guts for the various protozoa employed there as digestive aids. Is it normal for dogs to like the smell of human farts? Yes, any odor that we find disgusting smells delicious to a dog. Dogs respond to the smell of farts, rotting fish, and carrion the same way we respond to the smell of bacon frying or cookies baking. A dog will often sniff the butt of the farter in order to inhale as much of the odor as possible. I have heard only one story about a dog being disconcerted by a fart. According to a friend, her brother once delivered a fart so evil that it made the dog sneeze, shake his head, and paw at his nose. That was either an unusual fart or an unusual dog. xponent Gas maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Picking apart the Matrix - spoilers
On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 01:09 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/7/2003 2:36:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In addition, how does this all work? where does the energy to power the humans come from? We get out energy from food, which inevitably get's it's energy from Sol. So in the story, where does the energy for the food come from? Using humans or any other animal as an energy source is of course foolish since the energy needed to create a human is far greater than the energy that the human can generate. You could run machines on plants thus converting sunlight into complex carbohydrates that can be used as fuel. But why bother with this - just use mechanical devices to collect solar energy. SPOILER WARNING if you haven't seen :Reloaded. S P O I L E R S P O I L E R S P O I L E R S P O I L E R S P O I L E R S P O I L E R Since the ending of :Reloaded casts doubt over everything that was presented as 'true' in the original _The Matrix_ this, and every other question about the trilogy, will have to wait for part III for a resolution. Since the whole 'being used as an energy source' is part of the mythology of the 'free' humans, and that mythology turns out not to be the whole story. The ending of :Reloaded suggests that Zion, along with the Matrix, is inside a larger meta-Matrix. But since that is so obvious, it is probably a red herring and the real answer is something else. Or maybe not... -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs. -- Robert Firth ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Dogs (was: The evils of...)
Michael Harney wrote: Hell, one of my dogs is allergic to poultry. If I feed her even just a bit of turkey, eggs, or chicken her ears turn red and she starts scratching herself and biting herself all over. You have more than one dog now? Do I remember correctly that you had a Shepherd? Doug Who needs to take his three for a walk after the Ducks finish off the Devils. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
At 04:37 PM 6/7/2003 -0500, you wrote: At 01:39 AM 6/7/03 -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote: Even though there are Tarr's listed in Boston and Providence from before the revolution, it seems that my branch was actually named Tarbot until the middle late 1900's. Why it was changed, don't know yet. Um, wouldn't the middle late 1900's be about the time you were born? Are you saying your father was named Tarbot? Ronn I did mean 19th century, but a 2am was lucky I could see the keyboard, from a week of not much sleep. It's 10:30pm now and I'm thinking of going to bed. Kevin T. - VRWC ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Farts Re: World cancer death rates
Robert Seeberger wrote: why dogs and cats generally fart silently, and their theories include: (1) the amount of gas produced is small, but potent, (2) the horizontal orientation of their gastrointestinal system puts less pressure on the anal opening, so the gas is expelled more slowly, (3) their anal sphincters don't close as tightly as humans' because it takes less force to hold in the contents of the colon -- again because of the horizontal orientation of the gastrointestinal system -- and a loose anus makes less sound, and, my favorite (4) dogs and cats don't feel embarrassed about farting, so their sphincters are more relaxed, leading to less noisy flatulence. Mike F. points out that many dog foods are soy-based, so on top of all the above factors, add beans and stand back! 5) No cheeks, perhaps? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Love is in the air...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/06/08/ wviag08.xml Love is in the air (Filed: 08/06/2003) A small fishing village has risen to fame on rumours that fumes from a nearby Viagra factory have turned its residents into red-hot lovers. Now, two Hollywood studios are interested in the romeos of Ringaskiddy. Nicola Byrne in Co Cork and Olga Craig report -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible. - Bertrand Russell ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Farts Re: World cancer death rates
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] A carnivore's protein-rich diet produces relatively small amounts of intensely stinky gas because proteins contain lots of sulfur. A dog's or cat's farts are rarely audible, but the odor is overwhelming.I have asked biologists why dogs and cats generally fart silently, and their theories include: Speaking of silent farts, here's one of my favorite fart jokes: An elderly woman walks into her doctor's office and tells him: Doctor, I have this terrible problem! I'm constantly farting and I can't stop, even when I'm in church, in the line at the grocery store, or at my book club meeting, everywhere I go. But fortunately all the farts are completely silent and have no smell at all! In fact, I've farted several times already just since I've entered your office. The doctor says, I see. Here take these pills and come back in one week. A week later, the woman returns to the doctor, and tells him: Doc, I've been taking the pills like you said, but they don't work right! I'm still farting constantly, and they're still totally silent, but now my farts all stink like crazy! The doctor replies: Exellent! The pills are working perfectly - they've fixed your sense of smell! Now, here take these other pills to fix your hearing! _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dogs (was: The evils of...)
Just skimming through posts before going to sleep flagging ones of interest. I think I can field this one without going overboard. :-) From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Harney wrote: Hell, one of my dogs is allergic to poultry. If I feed her even just a bit of turkey, eggs, or chicken her ears turn red and she starts scratching herself and biting herself all over. You have more than one dog now? Do I remember correctly that you had a Shepherd? I have two dogs now. I have one female German shepherd that I've had for four years now, and one male dog that appears to be a chow/rotty mix. The male was a stray that I took in a little under two years ago. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much... the wheel, New York, wars, and so on, whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely the dolphins believed themselves to be more intelligent than man for precisely the same reasons. - Douglas Adams ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: newspapers proclaiming people dead again
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:29 AM 6/7/03 -0500, The Fool wrote: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/stromobit1.html Two months after TSG discovered pre-prepared obituaries for Ronald Reagan, Bob Hope, and other notable figures sitting on an easily accessible CNN web server, we've found another premature death notice online... The only thing odd about the above story is that the pre-prepared obits were found on an easily accessible server, as they would be internal work documents. In reading the above link, my guess would be that at some time when that server was connected to the Internet (perhaps not directly or intentionally), one of Google's web crawlers wandered in and indexed those pages, and then someone found it while searching Google. Or http://www.benedict.com/digital/berman/berman.asp = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people
--- Han Tacoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and to think that the former could have been spoken if Gutemberg hadn't circa 1450 come up with the printing press. Hay now, Getemberg may have stole that idea from the chinese, but that's no reason to blame him for modern spelling standardization. = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Picking apart the Matrix - no spoilers
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/7/2003 2:36:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In addition, how does this all work? where does the energy to power the humans come from? We get out energy from food, which inevitably get's it's energy from Sol. So in the story, where does the energy for the food come from? Using humans or any other animal as an energy source is of course foolish since the energy needed to create a human is far greater than the energy that the human can generate. You could run machines on plants thus converting sunlight into complex carbohydrates that can be used as fuel. But why bother with this - just use mechanical devices to collect solar energy. Sorry the sun has gone out, or, so says Morpheus, but he has been wrong before hasn't he? I believe the story to be much thicker than most give it credit for...but hay, I give Keyono much more credit as an actor than many as well. My opinion, the sun didn't go out, or if it did the machines are not enslaving mankind. My guess, mankind no-longer exists as humanoids, or if they are, they escaped into the matrix. Or were put their to facilitate a long voyage. = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dogs (was: The evils of...)
Michael Harney wrote: I have two dogs now. I have one female German shepherd that I've had for four years now, and one male dog that appears to be a chow/rotty mix. The male was a stray that I took in a little under two years ago. Hmm, Chow/Rotty, that's an interesting mix. We have a 5 year old Chow Golden Retriever mix. She looks like a wide-body Golden with shortened legs. Unfortunately, she is quite overweight and we're having a hard time trying to get the pounds off. We also have a 10 year old white boxer - a real character, and a 13 year old Huskey(?)/Shepherd(?) mix. These two were both rescues. Ali, the Boxer, was brought to the shelter to be euthanized at 3 days old. My wife's boss at the time was a volunteer there and brought the puppies in to work. They were hand fed until they were old enough to eat on their own and then adopted out. The reason the dogs were brought in to the shelter was that breeders can't show or breed the whites, and to some extent they are more susceptible to health problems, though this seems to be exaggerated somewhat. Lucky was left with her litter mates in a box on a corner at about 4 weeks of age. They were due to be euthanized as well, but they bent the rules a bit and allowed us to adopt her. At 13 she is quite old for a medium/large dog, but she has more energy than either of the other two. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Farts Re: World cancer death rates
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: why dogs and cats generally fart silently, and their theories include: (1) the amount of gas produced is small, but potent, (2) the horizontal orientation of their gastrointestinal system puts less pressure on the anal opening, so the gas is expelled more slowly, (3) their anal sphincters don't close as tightly as humans' because it takes less force to hold in the contents of the colon -- again because of the horizontal orientation of the gastrointestinal system -- and a loose anus makes less sound, and, my favorite (4) dogs and cats don't feel embarrassed about farting, so their sphincters are more relaxed, leading to less noisy flatulence. Mike F. points out that many dog foods are soy-based, so on top of all the above factors, add beans and stand back! 5) No cheeks, perhaps? 6) Hair = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Farts Re: World cancer death rates
At 12:46 AM 6/8/03 -0400, Bryon Daly wrote: From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] A carnivore's protein-rich diet produces relatively small amounts of intensely stinky gas because proteins contain lots of sulfur. A dog's or cat's farts are rarely audible, but the odor is overwhelming.I have asked biologists why dogs and cats generally fart silently, and their theories include: Speaking of silent farts, here's one of my favorite fart jokes: [snip] And if you prefer the *non*-silent variety, for your listening (and e-mailing) pleasure: http://www.createafart.com/ --Ronn! :) Bathroom humor is an American-Standard. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The evils of eating vegetables (was Re: L3: World cancerdeath rates have increased...)
At 09:21 PM 6/6/03 -0600, Michael Harney wrote: Hell, one of my dogs is allergic to poultry. If I feed her even just a bit of turkey, eggs, or chicken her ears turn red and she starts scratching herself and biting herself all over. One of my cats (the 18-lb one) is apparently allergic to milk. If he gets hold of a little bit of milk -- and of course he craves the taste so much he'll do anything to get a taste of it -- about ten minutes later he gets this funny look on his face, then starts running through the house, stopping every few feet to barf a load before running to the next room and depositing another load of barf . . . He has no trouble after drinking that boxed milk stuff (I forget the brand name) they sell in the pet food department. On the label, it says that stuff is lactose-free, so I'm assuming D.J. is lactose-intolerant, which apparently is not all that uncommon in cats. --Ronn! :) , D.J. =^.^= , and Midnight =^.^= , Spot (1992-96), and Andy (1989-99) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Sleep Apnea
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Nunn Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 11:38 AM To: Brin Mail List Subject: Sleep Apnea Anyone here have, or known someone who has, sleep apnea? I am curious about the before and after comparisons after beginning treatment. Not the obvious of sleeping better, but the more subjective things like cognitive ability, memory, physical health (including weight), etc. I have borderline sleep apnea, but since it's just borderline, Kaiser won't treat it. But I definitely pay attention (no joke intended) to news about connections between sleep apnea and AD/HD, etc. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Picking apart the Matrix - no spoilers
On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 10:11:54PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: My opinion, the sun didn't go out, or if it did the machines are not enslaving mankind. My guess, mankind no-longer exists as humanoids, or if they are, they escaped into the matrix. Or were put their to facilitate a long voyage. I think you are a much better story writer than the [ummm, I can't spell the W-name] writers of the Matrix. The quality of the writing is so poor that I can't imagine they came up with something as interesting as you suggest. I mean, they ended the first installment with You can't die, I love you! Okay, I won't die then. How cliche can you get? You will no doubt argue that such silliness was meant to clue us in to the fundamental unreality of the real world in the Matrix, but I don't buy it. I know bad writing when I see it. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Picking apart the Matrix - no spoilers
At 01:41 AM 6/8/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 10:11:54PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: My opinion, the sun didn't go out, or if it did the machines are not enslaving mankind. My guess, mankind no-longer exists as humanoids, or if they are, they escaped into the matrix. Or were put their to facilitate a long voyage. I think you are a much better story writer than the [ummm, I can't spell the W-name] writers of the Matrix. The quality of the writing is so poor that I can't imagine they came up with something as interesting as you suggest. I mean, they ended the first installment with You can't die, I love you! Okay, I won't die then. How cliche can you get? You will no doubt argue that such silliness was meant to clue us in to the fundamental unreality of the real world in the Matrix, but I don't buy it. I know bad writing when I see it. Which is at least part of the reason I was not all that impressed with the first one, and am in no particular hurry to see the sequelae . . . -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Farts Re: World cancer death rates
At 10:16 PM 6/7/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: --- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: why dogs and cats generally fart silently, and their theories include: (1) the amount of gas produced is small, but potent, (2) the horizontal orientation of their gastrointestinal system puts less pressure on the anal opening, so the gas is expelled more slowly, (3) their anal sphincters don't close as tightly as humans' because it takes less force to hold in the contents of the colon -- again because of the horizontal orientation of the gastrointestinal system -- and a loose anus makes less sound, and, my favorite (4) dogs and cats don't feel embarrassed about farting, so their sphincters are more relaxed, leading to less noisy flatulence. Mike F. points out that many dog foods are soy-based, so on top of all the above factors, add beans and stand back! 5) No cheeks, perhaps? 6) Hair Not usually over the opening. One-Eyed Cat Maru -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeroen-- I have no idea how to reply to the message below, since it has Recipient list suppressed. But this seems to be your preferred forum, so let me do it here. You should let go of your negative feelings about the other Brin List. I don't want to get into it here, but I certainly had you killfiled for the last few months because I did not want to experience any more of your antics. You got kicked off because you acted like a jerk. Now maybe others were also jerks, but they managed to do it in such a way that all I had to do was ignore their posts. You did succeed in taking it to the next level. It was sad, because you had also made a lot of positive contributions as well. But that did not give you license to act as you did. People do judge you by your actions, and self-serving trolling for new members such as the following does not reflect well on you: And remember, you're always welcome on Brin-L's *tolerant* version: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeroen van Baardwijk Listowner, The New Improved Brin-L www.brin-l.com With that said, I do like this new list--most of the posts manage to stay on topic for a change. Maybe the two Brin Lists could declare a truce, and let the past be? You would stop claiming to be new, improved and tolerant, and the old list would make official mention of your list on websites and in periodic FAQ postings. ---David Hobby P.S. No Wall of Shame, please. - Subject: Plonkworthy? Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:07:58 +0200 From: Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: (Recipient list suppressed) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Harney wrote: I have been informed today that I have been plonked by one of the listmembers. Which listmember is irrelivant. The listmember informed me that my intollerance was reminiscent of Jeroen. Well, that certainly narrows down the list of suspects. I have fought back when people attacked me, but only a handful of people on what is now the old Brin-L considered my self-defense intolerance. When I recently rejoined the list, I sensed apprehension and fear from some list members at my return. I assumed I was just reading more into the messages than was there, and in all likelyhood the fear and apprehension was my own. Was I wrong? Are there listmembers that are affraid of me here? Do my posts seem intollerant? Don't let criticism like that bother you, Michael; the ones who criticise you most are usually also the ones who have the most problems with views that differ from their own. But anyway, you don't appear to be on Nick Arnett's personal shitlist, so any fear and apprehension that certain people might feel about you, and any alleged intolerance from your side, won't have any serious consequences -- like being thrown off the list... All opinions welcome, both on-list or off. I will not hold what is said against anyone. If enough people express a desire for me to leave I will do so and never return. The last thing I want is to make people uncomfortable. You've always been one of the better persons on what is now the old Brin-L; if certain people want you to leave, then just remember that they are among the intolerant lowlifes of the list and that you are a far better person than any of those morons. Only *you* should decide whether to stay or leave, it's not for other people to make that decision for you. And remember, you're always welcome on Brin-L's *tolerant* version: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeroen van Baardwijk Listowner, The New Improved Brin-L www.brin-l.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
