On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 12:03:22AM -0700, Michael Harney wrote:
Your confusion is over the fact that I was talking about two different
things. The first was about off-shoring (sending work to other
countries), the second was outsourcing. Outsourcing can be done
within the country, and that
On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 11:58:57PM -0700, Michael Harney wrote:
Do you truly believe that America can make itself more prosperous by
sending money and jobs out of the country?
Absolutely. This is extremely clear. David Ricardo explained it 200
years ago, and it has been demonstrated over and
At 11:58 PM 3/1/2004 -0700 Michael Harney wrote:
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There is a very simple response to all of this:
Do you truly believe that America can make itself more prosperous by
making goods and services more expensive?
And my very simple response to that is:
It should be noted that the author of this article, a former crime reporter
for the left wing Modesto Bee, seems to have a vendetta against Sun Myung
Moon and his followers. An entire section of his blog is devoted to
'expose' articles about Moon and he's written dozens of blog editorials on
I have to side against the Fool in this case. His point was that his job was
threatened by the outsourcing scourge. I work in IT, and I do not see the
threat. But then I am an analyst and not principally a programmer. It is the
heads down programmers, web developers, and phone support that is
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: Race to the Bottom
Why do comparatively rich Americans deserve a job, but dirt poor people
in other countries, who are willing and
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 10:34:22AM -0700, Michael Harney wrote:
Paraphrase of what you asked: Should we give the jobs to rich
Americans or poor foriegners? That question is utter bullshit.
It sure is. WE giving jobs? Who are you to decide? And you got caught in
the fallacy again, it isn't an
At 12:35 AM 3/1/04, Bryon Daly wrote:
Yesterday evening, one of my neighbors (about 5 houses down) made quite an
interesting
discovery...
She was cleaning out her garage, and found a hockey-puck sized container
wedged in a crevice
behind a workbench. She carried it about halfway across her
For the record I mostly agree with what Erik is
saying. It also occurs to me that this outsourcing
phenomenon has been going on for quite some time --
for the last several decades at least.
I play a collectable game called Mechwarrior. it
consists of a number of plastic molded, pre-painted
Michael Harney wrote:
Job shifts... Do you see any programs to support and retrain the workers
that were displaced so that they can perform a new job and still make a good
living? I sure as fuck don't.
And a friend of mine in Austin saw the same thing, and helped set up a
program intended to
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:36 AM
Subject: RE: Race to the Bottom
I hear stories about phone support people off-shore, who place marbles in
their mouth while speaking to straighten out their accents. Phone
lazy
lifestyle. I do hope they see the writing on the wall. Its time to
move
on.
I'll have to disagree with you on this, Chad, and have some
data to back it up. My wife works in reservations for
Continental Airlines. Their market niche is being as good as
possible in customer
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have to side against the Fool in this case. His point was that his job
was
threatened by the outsourcing scourge. I work in IT, and I do not see the
threat. But then I am an analyst and not principally a programmer. It is
the
I don't know any good solutions, but I am
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example, my understanding is that in the early days of the
First World
War, American sympathies were largely with the Germans. Likewise,
the
Irish also generally sympathized with the Germans in the World Wars
in
large
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yet, qualifications aren't always what they are cracked up to be.
That's so true, IMOADTAE. I don't know how many CS PHD's I have
worked with, who are compleatly clueless when it comes to designing
good software. I know this
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 12:03:22AM -0700, Michael Harney wrote:
Your confusion is over the fact that I was talking about two
different
things. The first was about off-shoring (sending work to other
countries), the second was
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/02/27/MNGSK59NG
M1.DTL
Scientists counter Bush view
Families varied, say anthropologists
Charles Burress, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, February 27, 2004
The primary organization representing American anthropologists criticized
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: Race to the Bottom
Clearly, the 90's were unusual.
In some ways, but not in employment. The job growth from '92 to '00 was
21%. The
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 03:59:14PM -0500, Bryon Daly wrote:
Are the jobs lost overseas being replaced at all by alternate,
equivalent-quality jobs? If not, who'd going to be able to buy all
those cheap DVD players and TV's?
Historically, they are replaced by BETTER jobs. I don't see any
What's happening is not business as usual. The numbers I've seen
indicate
that about 1/3rd of the loss can be attributed to outsourcing. But, I
think that a fundamental shift in the US economy may be taking place.
Dan M.
In case anyone wants my source for employment data, it is:
Michael Harney wrote:
Job shifts... Do you see any programs to support and retrain the workers
that were displaced so that they can perform a new job and still make a good
living? I sure as f##k don't.
Thankyou Michael for the profanity - big help from someone who has made
such demands about
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From: Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: Race to the Bottom
Michael Harney wrote:
Job shifts... Do you see any programs to support and retrain the workers
that were
At 11:08 PM 2/29/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote:
Tying Titanic and Ben Hur.
What a joke the Oscars are. I mean, Oscar for Best Make-Up? (which
is separate from the Oscar for Best Costuming.)How does anyone even
possibly pretend to judge such things?
Sorry, such categories solely
Bryon,
These are great questions!
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From: Bryon Daly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 12:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Race to the Bottom
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I have to side against the Fool in this case. His point was
JDG wrote:
But of course. The only country that has tried to achieve
self-sufficiency, the DPRK, is the biggest economic disaster on the planet.
Brazil tried too, during the military dictatorship. Brazilian economy
is mostly self-sufficient, BTW, with one of the lowest import/export
rates
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From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: Why fight in the Civil War?
At 03:13 PM 3/1/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
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From: Julia Thompson
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I think that is to some extent spin. The kind
where only part of the
truth is presented in order to make a point. I
suspect that it
originates with the Radical Republicans (The
Reconstruction era ones,
not the contemporary ones G) as part of
Nasa'a big announcement:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2cid=624u=/ap/20040302/ap_on_sc/mars_rovers_20printer=1
Mars rover Opportunity has found evidence that the Red Planet was once
wet enough for life to exist there, but the robot has not found any
direct traces of living organisms
My breakdown today, and sensativity to the subject of off-shoring are
centered arround the fact tht I am unemployed and unable to fid work, and
have been for some time now. After today, I think it would be best if I do
not participate in discussion until I find a job. Therefore, I bit you
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 11:36 AM 3/2/2004, you wrote:
Half of our development staff is Indian. I turn to them to tell
me the
technology can do what I want it to do. They are the subject
matter experts
to programming. The American developers are OK,
At 06:30 PM 3/2/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote:
A friend of mine and I recently had a long discussion regarding the
motivations of the ordinary Confederate soldier with an
outstanding NPS
Ranger at Richmond National Battlefield - Cold Harbor a couple
weekends
ago.
He pointed out that
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Why fight in the Civil War?
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I think that is to some extent spin. The kind
where
In a message dated 3/2/2004 1:23:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
She guessed that
for a prior homeowner, it had rolled off the workbench into the crevice
and been lost/forgotten. They theorized that at some point back in the
50's-60's the material was legal and had
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyone have any ideas what that might be?
Was the container sealed or could it be opened?
She didn't really indicate for sure, but she said the hazmat guys asked her
if she had shaken it or opened it, so I guess it was openable. She also
mentioned she
both my arms broken
both in slings around my neck
will you wipe my ass?
(This actually happened to a co-worker recentlyG)
black hair on my soap
my wife will surely freak out
someone get a rake
love is powerful
no having to say sorry
so bite the big one
my face is melting
it must be something
Jan Coffey wrote:
I wonder what would happen if we started outsourcing the project
management, the accounting and the administration, Indian doctors are
cheaper, Indian Drugs, Indian lawyersÂ… I bet there would be quite a
number laws made quite quickly to keep this from happeningÂ…oh wait,
Chad Cooper wrote:
Maybe you'd consider that fat and lazy,
but those same wages here would leave someone squarely at the
poverty level.
I have talked to some of these oursourcers. People beg them
for work at
these wages. Remember that what is poverty level here is
wealth there.
With John Edwards set to drop out of the race tomorrow, it seems all-but
assured that it will be Kerry vs. Bush on the general election ballot in
November, and today I am breathing a huge sigh of relief that the Democrats
did go ahead and nominate the serious candidate whom I considered most
At 08:59 PM 3/2/04, Bryon Daly wrote:
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyone have any ideas what that might be?
Was the container sealed or could it be opened?
She didn't really indicate for sure, but she said the hazmat guys asked
her if she had shaken it or opened it, so I guess it was
Steve Sloan II wrote:
The Fool wrote:
Let's see India, China, or Russia belly up to the bar and
pay their fair share of the hundreds-of-billions of dollars
per year being stolen from the US Taxpayer to make
outsourcing possible.
ritu wrote:
What does 'belly up to the
Does the success of LOTR bode well for future fantasy projects? Or was
it based, at least in part, on the legendary status of the Tolkien
books? Would some other adaptation fare as well, regardless of quality?
For example, would a movie based on Guy Gavriel Kays masterpiece
Tigana, even if
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: It's Official: Kerry vs. Bush
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 00:19:09 -0500
With John Edwards set to drop out of the race tomorrow, it seems all-but
assured that it will be Kerry vs. Bush on the general
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