[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement_protein-glycan complex

2019-11-11 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Shen, I agree with Eleanor that the split spots will cause worse statistics, but should not be a reason for molrep to fail. What I would do: Molecular replacement with a resolution cut of 3 or 3.5 Å. Process and run molecular replacement in P1. You may have some tricky pseudo-symmetry. With

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] Occupancy refinement of overlapping electron density of a residue and ligand

2019-11-07 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear HK, I agree with Artem, I would put the ketone in the green density below in your pictures and make a covalent link with the arginine. The single oxygen I would put in the density currently occupied by the ketone and add one water there as well. In your refined omit maps, the current

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] Occupancy refinement of overlapping electron density of a residue and ligand

2019-11-07 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear HK, In your case mass spec would be extremely valuable. Not only could it prove or rule out a covalent link, it will also convince referees that the link is real. There is clearly more density than the degraded product you showed. I would also ask an experienced chemist if a link between

Re: [ccp4bb] Occupancy refinement of overlapping electron density of a residue and ligand

2019-11-06 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Heng-Keat, I had again a look at your electron density pictures and these were my impressions: 1) the Arginine as fitted looks fully occupied. There are no hints for an alternative conformations. 2) The fit of the ligand, although reasonable, is not extremely good. It seems that the only

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] Figure of merit in refinement

2019-10-16 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi James, Did you ever try what happens if you set all the FOMs of e.g. 2vb1 to 1.0 and calculate a map? If you are sure they are not measurement errors they should be included in the map. I would expect some huge ripples, but maybe the "outliers" compensate and you get a truly interesting

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] no tNCS and Phaser manuals

2019-10-02 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Iracema, Thank you very much for your hint of using CCP4i, I never use it but this time I should have used it to find out how to switch off the tNCS. Unfortunately, I cannot reach any of the phaser.cimr sites. I get the error message that our proxy server does not react. I can reach the

[ccp4bb] no tNCS and Phaser manuals

2019-10-01 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear community, I wanted to switch off the tNCS for a Phaser run, but could not find any Phaser manuals online, explaining how to do this. So I have two questions: 1. How do I switch off tNCS in Phaser and 2. Are there any phaser manuals online? I tried hard to find them using Bing, but

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] 2Fo-Fc maps in Coot vs. Pymol

2019-09-30 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Chris, The first thing I would do is to load the FFT map (not the mtz) in coot and see how densities of both ligands compare in that case. Also in FFT, did you calculate exactly one unit cell, or did you select a region just around the protein? If you contour the maps in terms of RMSD,

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] challenges in structural biology

2019-09-20 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear John, Plants cannot walk away to a more favorable spot. They remain stuck where they germinate, e.g. whether the place is sunny, shady, wet, dry, fertile, poor etc. So plants compensate by having a lot of genes available to be able to adapt to the particular spot where happen to be. And

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] not solely pdb issue: need someone to officially settle the pdb dispute

2019-08-21 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Being denied a job because someone else published your research may make the dance also somewhat less happy… Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Mark J van Raaij Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. August 2019 11:48 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [EXTERNAL]

[ccp4bb] AW: need someone officially settle a pdb dispute for a publication

2019-08-21 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Flemming, As Jürgen said, what happened? Did A deposit the coordinate file in the pdb, but did not publish and did B take this coordinates and make a publication? Or did B ask A for the coordinates to have a look at and then made a publication without agreement of A? Did B hack the

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] Extra density close to phosphate bound to Zn2+

2019-08-05 Thread Herman . Schreuder
PS, you also have to define an alternative conformation, but that you probably already did. Von: Schreuder, Herman /DE Gesendet: Montag, 5. August 2019 17:55 An: 'Maria Håkansson'; CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] Extra density close to phosphate bound to Zn2+ Hi

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] Extra density close to phosphate bound to Zn2+

2019-08-05 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Maria, Did you rotate the phosphate, or invert it? If you invert the phosphate, you may get into trouble with the parameters. Although a phosphate is symmetric, its oxygens have different names and inverting it leads to all kind of problems, especially in a high resolution map which does

[ccp4bb] AW: Bond between Cys S and Met methyl group?

2019-07-17 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Stephen, What happens if you delete the CE methyl group and run a round of refinement. Do you get a positive blob of difference density in between the two sulfurs? Or looks everything pretty ok? In the first case you may indeed have some unusual phenomenon, in the latter case, the methyl

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] twinning problems

2019-07-11 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Marina, Just an observation from my side: if you are able to process your data in P622, there must be some 2-fold perpendicular to l, which would most likely be a non-crystallographic or a twinning axis. Is there a NCS 2-fold in the P321 data set you solved? If so, is it perpendicular to

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] tNCS incompatible with cell dimensions

2019-06-03 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Kevin, It could also be that you have a particular nasty combination of tNCS and twinning. Given your packing problems in the ab plane, this would mean that your 2-fold parallel to c is generated by twinning and that probably one of the 21 axes is generated by twinning as well. With some

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] Disulphide occupancies.

2019-05-27 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Jonathan, In these cases, I usually see positive difference density nearby, indicating an alternative position for one of the sulfurs, i.e. the disulfide bridge was partly broken. I am too lazy to fit these, but if you want to do a perfect job, you might want to fit an alternative

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] crystals mounted in microRT capillaries

2019-05-17 Thread Herman . Schreuder
For glass X-ray capillaries, we used a Styrofoam box with some cooling blocks at room temperature to prevent any fast temperature changes, which may lead to condensation problems. Of course, you should add some materials to protect the capillaries and keep them in place. Best, Herman Von:

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] High Rfree - ice ring

2019-04-04 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Sam, I would remove the ice ring and reprocess the data. Ice rings may wreak havoc with scaling so at minimum you have to redo the scaling. Best, Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Sam Tang Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. April 2019 11:01 An:

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] refmac5 problems with unnatural amino acid

2019-04-03 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Deniz, In the past, I had similar problems caused by the fact that when the residue was “known” to ccp4, it would use the cif file from the ccp4 library instead of the cif I had created myself. You could check if this might be the case for you. You find the cif files under

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] pseudo internal symmetry

2019-04-03 Thread Herman . Schreuder
I agree. The data processing software might have been confused by the NC 2-fold and thought that it was crystallographic and of course, after merging the data, the NC axis will have been made “crystallographic” with superimposed A and B conformations at 50% occupancy. In this case, reprocessing

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] Refinement

2019-03-25 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear ???, Do you have any ice rings (even hardly visible ones) in your diffraction data? Best, Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von StrBio Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. März 2019 05:17 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] Refinement ALL. I

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] crystal contacts and biologically relevant contacts

2019-03-22 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Alex, Kevin is right. To clarify things a little, you don’t have to use the symmetry mate selected by the molrep program. You can take the symmetry mate that makes the relevant biological interactions instead. No need to change the space group. You have to delete the molecule that does not

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] Change dimer assembly in ASU

2019-03-08 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Ezequiel, Be careful, it also happens that the asymmetric contains two half-dimers, with the other half of the dimers being generated by crystallographic operators. In this case it is not possible to rearrange the monomers such that the asymmetric unit contains one biological dimer and

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] Mandatory mmCIF format for crystallographic depositions to the PDB

2019-02-20 Thread Herman . Schreuder
I agree, how can we punch an mmCIF file on these cards? Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Edwin Pozharski Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Februar 2019 16:19 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] Mandatory mmCIF format for crystallographic

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] refmac same residue different names

2019-02-07 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Ed, I did understand your question correctly and (at least for ligands) the procedure I and also Diana Tomchick described, worked. However, I just did a test with both Refmac and Buster and it seems that these programs have now so far been perfected that “errors” like this cannot occur

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] refmac same residue different names

2019-02-05 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Edwin, I do not know whether your question has been answered already, but the answer is simple: you have to define alternative conformations. Easiest is to generate them in coot with the “add alternate conformation” option in the right panel. You may have to delete the original unlabeled

[ccp4bb] AW: Thoughtful remark...

2019-02-01 Thread Herman . Schreuder
For me it is easy: If your crystal does not diffract, you have a problem with your crystal, which is usually very difficult to optimize If you have no crystal in your loop, you have a problem with fishing your crystal, which should be much easier to optimize! Cheers, Herman -Ursprüngliche

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] Is there any alternative to siliconized glass coverslips for crystallization?

2019-01-31 Thread Herman . Schreuder
A long time ago, before siliconized coverslips became commercially available, we used to siliconize coverslips ourselves. It is not really that much work and unsiliconized cover slips should be very cheap. If you wish, I could try to find back the protocol. Best, Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] translational NCS & twinning

2019-01-11 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Philippe, As Randy just pointed out, when twinning, pseudosymmetry and other pathologies come into play, things really get complicated. I agree with what you said but for the current problem, things may be more complicated. To summarize: - "bona fide" twinning: there are two different,

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] translational NCS & twinning

2019-01-11 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Lan, Thank you for your compliment. I do not use Xtriage, so I did not bother looking at the log files. What I meant to say is that with twinning, the crystal has different macroscopic domains where the molecules have different orientations, say one domain with orientation A and one

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] translational NCS & twinning

2019-01-10 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Donghyuk, Unfortunately, everything is possible when NCS, twinning etc. get into the game. I do not have answers, but some questions for you to think about: - Do you really have 6 twinning operators, or only one operator and are the other operators generated by (non)crystallographic

[ccp4bb] AW: complex multi-crystal averaging

2019-01-09 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Andy, Best would be to convert the phaser angles (plus vector) in a matrix (plus vector) and use this for your transformations. The phaser people should be able to provide you with information how to do this, since they have to do it in order to produce their output files. Alternatively,

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Experimental phasing vs molecular replacement

2018-12-06 Thread Herman . Schreuder
I think Jacob is right. As long as protein crystals contain about 10% "dark matter"* not accounted for in any model, we cannot fake a "true" electron density map and it is then not surprising that an 2mFo-DFc map is closer to a model-based fake map than a map based on experimental phases. HS

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] Assumptions on protein purification

2018-10-11 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Markus, I believe the strong assumption in the community is that a clear single peak of appropriate Mw is a clear indication of pure protein, worthy intensive crystallization efforts. Whether it is active is another question and this should be measured. For your analysis, it is not

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] Weird diffraction pattern

2018-10-09 Thread Herman . Schreuder
To me, it looks like some intergrown salt crystal. HS Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Sam Tang Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Oktober 2018 13:13 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] Weird diffraction pattern Dear all Hello. We recently shot a

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] R-merge is too high !!

2018-09-28 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Liang, The first thing I would do is to look through your complete scan. ADXV has an option to display a movie of all images. It might be that some regions of your scan are very weak or otherwise bad. Merging these regions with good regions will produce high Rmerges. I would also check

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] Electron density maps for Cryo-EM structures.

2018-09-10 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Kevin, Pavel and others, Since it seems that so far nobody answered the primary question: “Is there any sever available to create electron density maps for cryo-em structures?” So I will do it. The answer is very simple: They do not need to be created, they are available from the pdb! To

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: identifying bound ions

2018-08-02 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Kay, I have looked at XPAND and it looks like it is part of the O-package. Do you know if it can also be used stand-alone? Best, Herman -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Kay Diederichs [mailto:kay.diederi...@uni-konstanz.de] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. August 2018 15:00 An:

[ccp4bb] identifying bound ions

2018-07-31 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear BB, I know it has been discussed some time ago, but a google search did not come up with anything useful. I need a program which analyzes the bound waters and suggests whether a particular water might be a chloride, calcium, sulfate, sodium or something else. Preferably a program that

[ccp4bb] AW: COOT: adding xylose to a plant glycosylation chain

2018-07-05 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Marilyn, I have been struggling with carbohydrates in the pre Glyco module era, which was *not nice*. However, the following strategy works reasonably well: 1) Get the XYP monomer with the "get monomer" command. 2) Move the XYP manually in its electron density. This can be very

[ccp4bb] AW: Re: [ccp4bb] disulfate bond ?

2018-07-05 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Shijun, Unfortunately, it happens very often that a ligand (in your case Chloramphenicol) does not bind to the protein in the crystal. If you look into the twilight gallery, there is a large number of crystal structures where people desperately tried to fit their precious ligand in what

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Pandda problems

2018-05-25 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Nick, Thank you for your reply. I am looking forward to test a new Pandda version that is hopefully compatible with the latest CCP4 version. Concerning the error messages: I think they are very useful for developers, to trace back in the code what had happened, but not for users, who need

[ccp4bb] Pandda problems

2018-05-25 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear bulletin board, I am trying to run Pandda on a set of about 50 data sets. I asked our system manager to roll back to CCP4 update 047 and by using unique and refmac, I could fix the problem of a few missing low resolution reflections. However, then Pandda crashes apparently during

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Native Patterson Plot

2018-05-09 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Bernard, I found a script I made a long time ago which produces a native Patterson. I tested it with our reasonable recent CCP4 version and it still works! You have to copy the attached script to your linux directory and make it executable (type chmod +rwx makpat). To generate a patterson

[ccp4bb] AW: Re: AW: [ccp4bb] tNCS problem

2018-05-08 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear JiYG, With an unknown number of 1000 aa monomers, you definitively have a challenging project! In that case, you will have to do some homework before running phaser: 1) The Matthews program should give you an indication how many monomers to expect. 2) P2 is a very low symmetry

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] tNCS problem

2018-05-08 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear JiYG, Unless the tNCS has caused processing problems, Phaser should automatically deal with tNCS and I would recommend to just give it a try. If it fails, you could try more sophisticated approaches. Best, Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von ???

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] determining the point group and the space group

2018-04-19 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Gihan, I guess your XFEL data set consists of data of hundreds of micro-crystals with only partials? The first thing I would do is to ask the beamline people for the best strategy. Since they (should) have tested the beamline, they are probably the best people to ask. Next, in the early

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Small molecule not refined in coot.

2018-03-05 Thread Herman . Schreuder
PS: If you have two different home-brewn ligands, you have to rename one of them (pdb and cif), otherwise the same dictionary will be applied to two different ligands. Also make sure your cif file is a dictionary and not just a coordinate file. HS Von: Schreuder, Herman /DE Gesendet: Montag,

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Small molecule not refined in coot.

2018-03-05 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Colin and Michel, In my experience, both refmac and coot will use the most recently read-in cif dictionary and there is no need to try to find an unique identifier for each new ligand one uses. The new dictionary overrides the old one. Finding a unique identifier for each new ligand would

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] validating a homlology model

2018-03-02 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Careina, If you do not have coordinates, what do you have then? A sequence alignment? In that case you can look at the %identity and %homology to see how well the known structure fits the unknown structure. If you do have coordinates in some other format generated by some modeling

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Publishing structure of a protein

2018-01-29 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Raj, The pdb will accept any crystal structure submitted to them. They do not have editors and referees that refuse to accept crystal structures. In the worst case, your structure may have validation problems and you will get questions about it. But this will happen with published crystal

[ccp4bb] AW: Re: [ccp4bb] coordinate transformation

2017-12-18 Thread Herman . Schreuder
If you use coot with on the fly map calculation (e.g. you load an mtz and not a map file), you do not need to transform the map. Otherwise I would recommend to run one more round of refinement and produce a new map your usual way. This will also get rid of any rounding errors due to the

[ccp4bb] AW: Re: [ccp4bb] Van der waals force

2017-12-11 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Jiri, A low-tech solution that will certainly work, is just to manually show the relevant distances. In coot under measure there is an option to show distances, just by clicking on the two atoms involved. Good luck! Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im

[ccp4bb] AW: Differences in a homodimer protein

2017-11-28 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Denis, I would first superimpose both monomers to see if you can find a reason why one subunit has a bound water and the other not, which would in general be flanking side chains in (slightly) different positions. Next I would look for some global differences between the subunits that

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Spacegroup for a symmetric monomeric protein

2017-11-27 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Noguchi, If I understand correctly, you have one protein with 8 identical repeats and a few additional residues at the N-terminus that you cannot see in the electron density map. This means, that the N-terminal repeat is different from the other repeats and theoretically, you should

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Scripting for COOT

2017-11-16 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Martin, I use a script which invokes the coot command similar to what you describe with --script mapcent added on the same line. The mapcent script is attached. You can either go to a certain atom, or set hte rotation center in Å coordinates. You can add whatever commands to the script to

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] High R/Rfree

2017-11-14 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Radhika, What reason does Xtriage give for declaring the reflections to be outliers? Too weak, too strong, other reasons? As was mentioned before, what is the resolution of your data? In cases like this, it is always good to have a look at the diffraction images to see if there is some

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: Re: [ccp4bb] Basic Crystallography/Imaging Conundrum

2017-11-13 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Jacob, The big advantage of microscopes (whether using electrons or X-rays) is of course that you 1) do not need crystals and 2) get phase information. However, aligning an extremely large number of single molecule images is non-trivial and this is the reason it is still very hard, if not

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: Re: [ccp4bb] Basic Crystallography/Imaging Conundrum

2017-11-10 Thread Herman . Schreuder
At the bottom line, it is the quality of the image, not only the amount of pixels that counts. Adding more megapixels to a digital camera with a poor lens (as some manufacturers did), did not result in any sharper or better images. Herman -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: CCP4 bulletin

[ccp4bb] AW: Re: [ccp4bb] Basic Crystallography/Imaging Conundrum

2017-11-10 Thread Herman . Schreuder
In line with Dale's suggestions, I would suggest that you reformat your voxel map into the format of an electron density map and look at it with coot. I am sure it will look much better and much more like the electron density we are used to look at. Alternatively, you could display an bona fide

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] double cell dimensions between P2 and C2

2017-11-09 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Mark, It does happen, even that two crystals from the same drop (everything identical) have different space groups. Best, Herman -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Markus Heckmann Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. November 2017

[ccp4bb] AW: Radiation damage to the FAD in enzyme structure

2017-11-07 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Martin, You could calculate an Fo-Fc map with the FAD having half occupancy. This should bring out the "pure" difference density for your modified FAD, which might be easier to interpret. You may have to try different occupancies, say 0.4, 0.45, 0.5, 0.55, 0.6 etc. to find the point with

[ccp4bb] AW: Re: [ccp4bb] Removing a ter line present in the middle of the chain

2017-11-07 Thread Herman . Schreuder
My feeling is that all non-standard amino acids should be labeled HETATM and that the overzealous introduction of TER cards by Refmac is the bad thing, but I might be mistaken… Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Eleanor Dodson Gesendet: Dienstag, 7.

[ccp4bb] AW: Radiation damage to the FAD in enzyme structure

2017-11-06 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Martin, For well-refined structures with low residuals, +/- 3 sigma levels (the standard coot contour levels) are very small on an absolute scale. How does your 2Fo-Fc map look like? Are there really big holes in the FAD for the missing atoms with almost zero 2Fo-Fc density? As others

[ccp4bb] AW: Re: [ccp4bb] another unknown density problem

2017-11-03 Thread Herman . Schreuder
You are right. In this case, I would put some waters in it, refine and see if the density gets any clearer. However, since from this perspective the density is quite far away from the protein, it could be a very disordered PEG, which, even at high resolution, might be impossible to fit. Best,

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] another unknown density problem

2017-11-03 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Abhishek, To me, it looks like an alternative conformation of the peptide chain or maybe even a conformational change with respect to the starting model. The peptide chain does not look too well defined, despite high resolution electron density. Best, Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board

[ccp4bb] AW: Re: [ccp4bb] TYC not linked to previoys amino-acid

2017-10-16 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Eleanor, The method I proposed works for any amino acid, not just tyrosine. Having an amide as a separate residue may sound strange, but is it exactly how our chemists treat it as well. Best, Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Eleanor Dodson

[ccp4bb] AW: Another troublesome dataset (High Rfree after MR)

2017-10-16 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Michael, Did you ask Phaser to check for all possible space groups? There are still I422 and I4 you did not mention. If the space group that came out of Phaser is different from the space group used for processing, subsequent refinement programs may use the wrong space group from the

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] High R/Rfree after MR

2017-10-13 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear GIA, In addition to the anisotropy, I would also check your diffraction images and make sure that there are no (even hardly perceptible) ice rings present. Depending on how the data processing software handled this, they may cause high Rfactors in the range you mentioned. Best, Herman

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] C-terminal amide

2017-10-13 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Abhisek (and BB), I use the attached cif file. It has an NH2 residue defined as a peptide and gets automatically linked to the peptide chain in the buster procedure I use. So if your last residue is Tyr 100, you add NH2 101 as a HETATM in the peptide chain. I have not tested it with Refmac

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] include corners in mosflm

2017-09-27 Thread Herman . Schreuder
With a detector in swing-out position, one has to include the corners. Also, why should one discard potential data during processing? Based on the statistics, one can always discard data afterwards if it is not good or too incomplete. HS Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK]

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Precipitation issue during refolding

2017-09-21 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Dipankar, Are you expressing the active protease, or the inactive precursor (zymogen)? Although we never systematically looked at it, I strongly suspect that many active proteases destroy the expression host and you will therefor only find clones expressing the protein in inclusion bodies.

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] doubt regarding MR search model

2017-09-20 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Satvik, An R/Rfree of 0.29/0.35 after one round of automatic model building indicates that your solution is correct. You can proceed with refinement and rebuilding. You can take either the monomer-based or dimer-based solution, it does not matter. Personally I would take the monomer-based

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] His-6 versus His-10 tag

2017-09-19 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear everybody who reacted, It seems that when the His6 construct crystallizes, there is a fair chance that the his10 construct will crystallize as well. However, as usual in crystallography there is no guarantee, so I have added a TEV site to the construct in order to be able to remove the

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] doubt regarding MR search model

2017-09-19 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Satvik, You only know if the space group is correct AFTER you solved your structure. With an Rwork/Rfree of 0.43/0.48, the space group is likely not correct. The way to solve this is to run MR in all possible space groups. Most, if not all MR programs have an option to do this

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] question regarding sequence numbering

2017-09-19 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Dave and Tony, Upon submission, the pdb checks the sequence and automatically generates comments about sequences derived from the expression vector. So you do not have to do anything. Given the issues many programs have with non-sequentially numbered residues, I would also number them

[ccp4bb] His-6 versus His-10 tag

2017-09-19 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear BB, We are planning the production of a protein for crystallization. From literature, we know that the construct with a 6-histidine tag crystallizes. However, for other biophysical measurements, we would prefer to have a 10-histidine tag. Does anyone has experience with His-6 versus

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] A question about Cys and fluoro benzene ring

2017-08-24 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Cheng, You could check whether you get irreversible inhibition with your compound, which could be a sign of a covalent link with the protein. Best, Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Savvas Savvides Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. August 2017 21:54 An:

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Unknown positive electron density

2017-08-22 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Betty, You have very high resolution, which helps you to identify your ligand, but the ligand may be disordered… What I would do is to place some dummy atoms (e.g. waters) and refine and look if the molecule gets clearer. By scrolling the density in coot, you can identify the positions

[ccp4bb] AW: AW: [ccp4bb] high Rfree

2017-07-21 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi ???, I would first try AMPLE, as was suggested by Daniel. If separate helices still give you an anti-parallel coiled coil, your structure may in fact be anti-parallel. Your problem is not that the structure has another parallelity than you would like, but that you cannot solve the MR

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] high Rfree

2017-07-21 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi ???, Coiled coil structures can be very tricky with MR, so your solution may not be correct. You could try to split your search model and run MR with the separate coils. If you have high enough resolution (> ~2.3 Å?) and your MR solution is basically correct, you may be able to solve your

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] suggestions are welcome

2017-07-18 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Gaoyina, Maybe a stupid suggestion, but did the paper of the negative stain EM explain how the complex was prepared? That would be the first thing I would try. Further, as Abbas explained, the complex may fall apart during gelfiltration. At least for analytical purposes, you could try to

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] weird diffraction pattern

2017-07-13 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Chenjun Tang, From the images you sent, it looks like your crystal suffers from lattice translocation disorder. See e.g. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1107/S0907444909025153/epdf Calculating a native Patterson and looking for strange peaks may give some hints what is going on.

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Rmergicide Through Programming

2017-07-10 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear All, For me this whole discussion is an example of a large number of people barking at the wrong tree. The real issue is not whether data processing programs print amongst many quality indicators an Rmerge as well, but the fact that the PDB and many journals still insist on using the

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] off-topic:fluorescence polarization displacement assay

2017-06-22 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Megha, I am puzzled by the results you presented. If you only see the effect in the presence of your protein, the protein must have something to do with it. The steep decline points to some highly cooperative effect, which might be aggregation/precipitation. Did you check that your

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Unknown Ligand Density

2017-06-19 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Nick, I would contact some MassSpec people and ask if they could find out the mass of your mystery ligand. I would also carefully look at the neighboring protein. It might be an alternate conformation of a partially disordered loop. Finally, I would check literature to see if a natural

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] help needed to interpret a SRF

2017-06-02 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Vincent, To calculate the best possible (self)rotation function, you want to have as many as possible intramolecular vectors (within the search molecule) and as little as possible intramolecular vectors (between molecules in the crystal). These latter vectors are meaningless (noise) as long

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Bond length and angle outlier fixing

2017-05-17 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Vipul, The first thing to do is to check whether the fit of the offending residues in the electron density maps is correct. If it is not, you have to do rebuilding. If the fit is correct, I would leave them as they are. Assuming the distribution of bond lengths and angles has a bell-shape,

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Poor density fit.

2017-05-04 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Vipul, the first thing I would check is why one chain has good and the other chain has poor side chain density. Are the B-factors of one chain much higher than of the other? Does one chain have more/better crystal contacts to stabilize its position in the crystal? Is the structure

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Contouring 2Fo-Fc map, large blobs in Fo-Fc

2017-04-26 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Roger, First, sigma is a relative measure. If sigma is very low, e.g. since your map contains 80% solvent, 3 sigma may correspond to the same absolute value e.g. in electrons/Å3 as 1 sigma in a standard map, so I would not be worried about that. However, an Rfree of 0.45 and a large

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] NCS difference

2017-04-24 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Vipul, At this resolution and with these Rfactors you are not supposed to „correct“ the NCS outliers. Look into the electron density maps if they are well defined and if the different conformations can be explained by e.g. crystal contacts. However, if they are in a less well-defined

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Using a codon-optimised gene to improve protein solubility

2017-04-03 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Sutapa, I fully agree with Grant, the first question is whether the naturally-produced protein is soluble and whether your protein is not a membrane protein, or a domain, cut out of a much larger protein? The other question is whether your protein is toxic for E.coli and only the bacteria

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Problem with MolRep

2017-02-09 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Madhurima, Small protein structures can be very difficult to solve by MR due to an unfavorable ratio between inter- and intra-molecular vectors in the pattersons. I am currently also struggling with some data sets myself. However, there are things you could (and should) try: 1) If

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Composit omit map vs. ligand

2017-02-08 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Petr, Another possibility is that your very good substrate got turned over by the enzyme and that the 5 atoms with good electron density you see is all that is left. When you know the enzymatic reaction, this is easy to check. If this is the case, you should try a short soak (5-30

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Unknown blob extended from catalytic serine residue

2017-02-06 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Sharifah, Was no protease inhibitor used during crystallization, or during the whole purification process? E.g. when a protease inhibitor cocktail was added during cell-lysis, a protease inhibitor may irreversibly have modified your serine. If your protein is a protease, it may have

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] intermolecular dissulphides

2017-02-01 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Eleanor, I did not check the pdb file you mentioned, but I have had a case like that. The protein formed a complex of 8 large and 8 small subunits with internal 422 symmetry. There was a disulfide link across the internal twofolds and in one of the crystal forms we got, this internal

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Bad density for chains

2017-01-26 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Pooja, A few remarks: -Matthews does not show 4 chains in the asymmetric unit, it suggests 4 chains. However, in reality it can be more or less chains, although rare, 75% solvent (2 chains) is not unheard of. -An initial Rfree of 38% is ok, 32% after refinement is a bit

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Salt bridge-hydrogen bonds

2017-01-20 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Yes, Arg has 3 potential Hbond donor/acceptors and Glu 2. Also a single atom can have multiple interactions. Look in coot at the structures and which atom has which interaction with which partner atom. Best, Herman -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: CCP4 bulletin board

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] on space group

2017-01-19 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Smith, I think your question was clear, and the answer you got was clear as well. However, I think the question you asked was not the right question. You want to use a particular phrase to describe your crystal packing and you want the CCP4BB to endorse this. When the answer was negative,

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