Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread eugene . krissinel
Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). The name was changed because it is reserved in Windows, which caused lots of troubles. Now it will stay as is. Eugene On 11 Apr

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread James Holton
CCP4 has a GUI? -James Holton MAD Scientist On 4/11/2013 5:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). The name was changed because

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread eugene . krissinel
That's really hard. Duel? Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 16:32, James Holton wrote: CCP4 has a GUI? -James Holton MAD Scientist On 4/11/2013 5:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread Tim Wiegels
Fight Fight Fight! On Apr 11, 2013, at 5:46 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: That's really hard. Duel? Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 16:32, James Holton wrote: CCP4 has a GUI? -James Holton MAD Scientist On 4/11/2013 5:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that

[ccp4bb] off topic: Science is Vital - campaign for science funding in UK

2013-04-11 Thread Paula Salgado
Dear all This is mostly relevant for those of you in the UK, so I apologise for the off tpopic nature of the email. However, I think this is an important issue for the CCP4 community as a whole as well, since UK funding changes will affect how CCP4 is funded and the continued support we all

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread Felix Frolow
I would serve as a second in this duel, but I respect very much both engaged is this duel… Drop you pistols or swords ! :-) Dr Felix Frolow Professor of Structural Biology and Biotechnology, Department of Molecular Microbiology and Biotechnology Tel Aviv University 69978, Israel Acta

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread Jim Pflugrath
I think James gets to 'fight' like in the old game of rogue by pressing the h, j, k, l keys on his keyboard (not a detachable one either). While Eugene gets to use a modern game controller or a Wii. Ooops, game is already over and James has lost. Jim From:

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
FYI I have a small herd of computers here and find it cumbersome to ssh to each and fire up ccp4i just to update the systems. ccp4i takes a while to draw all those boxes (particularly over ssh) and leaves files behind in my disk areas on computers that I'm not likely to, personally, run

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread James Stroud
On Apr 11, 2013, at 6:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). Scriptability. On Apr 11, 2013,

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread eugene . krissinel
Dear Dale, From next CCP4 release (due soon), ccp4um will be runnable from command line in automatic, non-graphical mode, fully cronable. I hope that that will give you what you want. --check-silent is a special option for ccp4i, it only checks for new updates but do not install them. Best

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread eugene . krissinel
In promise for next release. On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:16, James Stroud wrote: On Apr 11, 2013, at 6:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread Antony Oliver
Eugene - that's great. I too run a small suite of Macs (12) and was trying to find a practical way of updating all those machines remotely. The command line version of CCP4um will be very useful. Many thanks. Tony. Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:19, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread eugene . krissinel
In cases like this, a request at c...@stfc.ac.uk should be the way to go. CCP4 is a community resource and we are to listen and to do what's doable. We may not do everything at once, but knowing what is required is vital for the project. Cheers, Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:22, Antony

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:22:59 am Antony Oliver wrote: Eugene - that's great. I too run a small suite of Macs (12) and was trying to find a practical way of updating all those machines remotely. The command line version of CCP4um will be very useful. Another option for a set of

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread Richard Gildea
Perhaps there needs to be a separate update manager to manage updates to the update manager: [image: Inline images 1] (from http://xkcd.com/1197/) Cheers, Richard -- Richard Gildea Software Developer Physical Biosciences Division Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory 1 Cyclotron Rd Mail

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread Roger Rowlett
Yep. I put all specialty lab software tools on a file server and mount it on all workstations as /usr/local/xtal, a suggestion I think I learned...here. There are few programs that can't be served this way. I only have to update the server. Roger Rowlett On Apr 11, 2013 1:42 PM, Ethan Merritt

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread David Schuller
On 04/11/13 13:36, Ethan Merritt wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:22:59 am Antony Oliver wrote: Eugene - that's great. I too run a small suite of Macs (12) and was trying to find a practical way of updating all those machines remotely. The command line version of CCP4um will be very

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 01:53:16 pm David Schuller wrote: On 04/11/13 13:36, Ethan Merritt wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:22:59 am Antony Oliver wrote: Eugene - that's great. I too run a small suite of Macs (12) and was trying to find a practical way of updating all those

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread Johan Hattne
On 11 Apr 2013, at 13:53, David Schuller dj...@cornell.edu wrote: My method is to run the updater graphically on one machine, then spread it around with rsync. Although being able to run it on the command line would allow me to accomplish that from my own desk, without crossing campus to

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-11 Thread Dyda
Or nx, which works very well, although the server has to be installed at the remote end and client on the local. www.nomachine.com Fred *** Fred Dyda, Ph.D. Phone:301-402-4496 Laboratory of