Re: [ccp4bb] Superposition of select residues

2015-02-06 Thread Isaac Westwood
I find that the superposition in CCP4MG is the most flexible and easy to use implementation of any program I've used. There are multiple superposition methods each with the ability to select residues or atoms. It's very powerful. CCP4MG also happens to produce very pretty pictures! Isaac On 5 Feb

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein-Ligand Crystallization

2015-02-06 Thread Isaac Westwood
In addition to the previous suggestions, if you have a metal-binding protein, beware of acidic compounds chelating the metal and stripping it out of the protein, as this often lead to the effect you observed as well. Isaac On 5 Feb 2015 13:45, Monica Mittal monica.mitta...@gmail.com wrote: Hi

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Rachel Kramer Green
Dear CCP4BB users, For additional information on this matter, please see: wwPDB Statement on Retraction of PDB Entries http://www.wwpdb.org/documentation/UAB.php and Safeguarding the integrity of protein archive /Nature/ (2010) *463*:425. doi:10.1038/463425c

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Ethan A Merritt
On Friday, 06 February, 2015 13:38:14 Rachel Kramer Green wrote: Dear CCP4BB users, For additional information on this matter, please see: wwPDB Statement on Retraction of PDB Entries http://www.wwpdb.org/documentation/UAB.php and Safeguarding the integrity of protein archive

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4BB Digest - 5 Feb 2015 to 6 Feb 2015 (#2015-40)

2015-02-06 Thread dusan turk
Fred, as you know discontinuous lattice is not physically possible. Therefore first make sure to exclude your and deposition errors like a wrong space group and cell constants. However, it may be that some molecules are disordered and therefore absent in the structure solution. If there are

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread David Briggs
Haven'tthat paper and the associated structure been retracted? http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091222/full/462970a.html There was a huge scandal when it was discovered that Krishna Murthy had falsified data, including the structure you refer to. See

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Randy Read
Actually, if you go back through the archive of CCP4-BB from the first time this came up, I think you'll find that there are real crystals with apparent gaps in the packing. This can arise because of statistical disorder, where there are two or more ways that a statistically-disordered layer

Re: [ccp4bb] Question on sca file

2015-02-06 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Smith, The sca file most likely does not contain flags. pointless can read the sca file, standardise it to ccp4 standards and freerflag marks random reflections. You should use the maximum of 500 unique reflections or 5% of the unique

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Robbie Joosten
Not in real crystal structures ;) Cheers, Robbie Sent with my Windows Phone Van: Kerff Fredmailto:fke...@ulg.ac.be Verzonden: ‎6-‎2-‎2015 12:02 Aan: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UKmailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Onderwerp: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Phil Evans
why are these structures still in the PDB? On 6 Feb 2015, at 11:08, David Briggs drdavidcbri...@gmail.com wrote: Haven'tthat paper and the associated structure been retracted? http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091222/full/462970a.html There was a huge scandal when it was discovered that

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Folmer Fredslund
Unfortunately, the structure and associated paper for PDB id 2hr0 has _not_ been retracted, or marked as invalid. The University of Alabama had a note about it, but only some of the affected PDB entries were removed.

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Randy, Indeed, true cases exist. I guess my shock that Nature still didn't retract the paper and as a result of this the PDB didn't obsolete 2hr0 got the better of me. This is not how science is supposed to work. Cheers,Robbie Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 11:16:48 + From: rj...@cam.ac.uk

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolve Domain Sequence Ambiguities

2015-02-06 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It looks a brilliant MR solution.. Do you know how you expect the A/B sets to pack? This was always a problem with heamoglobin where the A B chains are very similar ad form a tetramer, but we would group the solutions iinto sensible tetramers (PISA will do that for you) and either set those

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Matthew BOWLER
This is a famously fabricated crystal structure - the absence of contact was one of the clues, see http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v448/n7154/full/nature06102.html Cheers, Matt. On 2015-02-06 11:58, Kerff Fred wrote: Hello, Looking at structure 2HR0 (The structure of complement C3b

[ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Kerff Fred
Hello, Looking at structure 2HR0 (The structure of complement C3b provides insights into complement activation and regulation. »,Abdul Ajees, A., Gunasekaran, K., Volanakis, J.E., Narayana, S.V., Kotwal, G.J., Krishna Murthy, H.M.; (2006) Nature 444: 221-225), I noticed the absence of

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Kerff Fred
Thanks for all the replies and sorry for rerun of a thread. I however have two additional questions: - Why is the pdb still available without any obvious sign of the fraud? - Why is the paper stil available ? Fred - Frédéric Kerff Chercheur qualifié F.R.S.-FNRS Cristallographie des

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolve Domain Sequence Ambiguities

2015-02-06 Thread Keller, Jacob
I was about to complain that I have 14+ domains/ASU, but then I started wondering—how on Earth did you do this sort of thing in the early days of crystallographic software/structure? No PISA back then, and I imagine things were far less automated… JPK From: CCP4 bulletin board

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Mark van Raaij
In our structures 1H6W (1.9Å) and 1OCY (1.5Å) we observed something similar, I suspect the domain that makes the crystal contacts is three-fold disordered, leading to layers of nothing. In our paper in JMB 314, 1137 (doi 10.1006/jmbi.2000.5204) we tried to explain it a bit, and describe what

[ccp4bb] Question on sca file

2015-02-06 Thread Smith Lee
Dear All, I have a sca file. Will you please tell me by which software or how I can know whether the sca file contains R-free tags? If not, by which software or how I can add the R-free tags? And how much of the reflections I add the R-free tags? I am looking forward to getting your reply. Smith

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Ian Tickle
Dave Just for the record, the Wikipedia article you refer to is incorrect in stating that 2HR0 (and possibly others) has been obsoleted: it has not (as others have bemoaned!). Cheers -- Ian On 6 February 2015 at 11:08, David Briggs drdavidcbri...@gmail.com wrote: Haven'tthat paper and the

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Bryan Lepore
[ example structures with disordered crystal contacts ] Yes and they all have a good bulk solvent correction. -Bryan

Re: [ccp4bb] Bin R and Rfree values

2015-02-06 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Faisal, A lower R-free than R in the highest bin is not a big problem. The test set in you highest resolution bin may be quite small which makes the values not so reliable. Phenix uses different bins from what Refmac uses so you cannot compare the values. If you performed your final

Re: [ccp4bb] Bin R and Rfree values

2015-02-06 Thread Scott Thomas Walsh
Hi Faisil, Looking at your table, I think your data can go to even higher resolution than you report. Did you setup your data collection for higher resolution? Cheers, Scott Scott T. R. Walsh, Ph.D. Assistant Professor University of Maryland

Re: [ccp4bb] Bin R and Rfree values

2015-02-06 Thread Bernhard Rupp
please report the bond length and angle rmsZ next to (or instead of) the rmsd in Table 1. 'Instead' alone is also not enough - if in a normalized statistic you do not know what you normalized against - that is, the variance or esd of the target distribution - you do not know what Z means.

Re: [ccp4bb] Bin R and Rfree values

2015-02-06 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Bernhard, The rmsZ only says something about the deviations from 'ideal' values given their esd. It is by no means a strong validation criterion. Values over 1.000 only say that your distribution is wider than expected (if you have no serious individual outliers). So by changing target esds

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Andrew Leslie
Just to give a concrete example of Randy's point, PDB entry 2ts1 for tyrosyl tRNA synthetase has layers of molecules with no contact between the layers. This is because the domain (residues 320-419) that was providing the contacts in this direction was disordered and could not be modelled

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Folmer Fredslund
Hi Fred, 2015-02-06 11:58 GMT+01:00 Kerff Fred fke...@ulg.ac.be: Hello, Looking at structure 2HR0 (The structure of complement C3b provides insights into complement activation and regulation. »,Abdul Ajees, A., Gunasekaran, K., Volanakis, J.E., Narayana, S.V., Kotwal, G.J., Krishna

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Takanori Nakane
Hi, Another example is 2ZW3, again a membrane protein. Best regards, Takanori Nakane On 2015/02/06 21:11, Adrian Goldman wrote: Our recent membrane protein structure (4av3) doesn’t have much in the way of contacts either, as is characteristic of type 1 membrane protein crystals.

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Adrian Goldman
Our recent membrane protein structure (4av3) doesn’t have much in the way of contacts either, as is characteristic of type 1 membrane protein crystals. Adrian On 06 Feb 2015, at 11:51, Andrew Leslie and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk wrote: Just to

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Bernhard Rupp
One wonders if some of this structures might be good model cases for testing issues like mask intrusion, missing Fpart regions, etc in order to improve bulk solvent corrections…. Best, BR From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Paul Paukstelis Sent: Freitag,

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Adrian Goldman
Well maybe some pressure should be put on Nature to retract the article, so that we can get the publication out of the PDB? It’s not good that it is there for the unwary. Adrian On 06 Feb 2015, at 11:44, Folmer Fredslund folm...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Joel Sussman
6-Feb-2015 Dear Adrian Maybe a petition could be circulated that many of us could sign requesting Nature to retract this paper. I don’t know if this has ever been tried, but my guess is that Nature would take it seriously, especially due to the overwhelming evidence that the structure was

Re: [ccp4bb] Absence of contact between layers in a crystal

2015-02-06 Thread Paul Paukstelis
We found something similar for a DNA quadruplex not too long ago (4U92). This had surprisingly high resolution (1.5 Å) for having roughly half of the ASU being disordered. On 02/06/2015 06:51 AM, Andrew Leslie wrote: Just to give a concrete example of Randy's point, PDB entry 2ts1 for

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein-Ligand Crystallization

2015-02-06 Thread George
Let us know the ligand solubility in buffer solution used for the complex formation! The fact that your adding 0.05mM of even 10mM ligand in your solution does not mean that you got that concentration in solution. It is very likely often that the ligand bonds to protein the protein is OK but the

[ccp4bb] Bin R and Rfree values

2015-02-06 Thread Faisal Tarique
Hi everbody, I have one question with regards to the Bin R and Rfree values. My overall R and Rfree values for (resolution1.4 angstrom) is 15% and 19% respectively. But, the values in bin as shown in PDB header after the refinement from the REFMAC are 15.7% for R and 14.5% for Rfree. In this R