Re: [ccp4bb] disordered helix

2013-05-13 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Hard to say without seeing the maps and experimenting. My first check would be to set the NTD occupancies to 0.0 - refine the CTD alone, then look at the maps in COOT. Or maybe let an automatic modelling building program such as Buccaneer try to rebuild the NTD section, with starting phases from

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for true multiplicity?

2013-05-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
The traditional benefit was in reducing absorbtion errors. This obviously depends on crystal path, and seeing it is hard to model well, one way to mitigate the errors was to average equivalents collected at different settings. The error was still there, but assuming random distribution about the

Re: [ccp4bb] Calcium ions in enzymes

2013-05-31 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I would think a Google search would make some suggestions for you. There are lots of cases of proteins which require Calcium to function, but it is a bit chicken-and-egg-y - can the protein only function after it folds correctly, and is the Ca essential for that folding? On 31 May 2013 11:54,

Re: [ccp4bb] Hi

2013-06-10 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I don't really understand what your space group is? space group mC??? Eleanor On 10 Jun 2013, at 19:57, Wei Shi wrote: Hi all, I was trying to solve the structure of a protein in several different datasets using xds and phenix. I could solve the structure from one dataset in space group

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] pdbset

2013-06-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
If you are resetting B factors you must recalculate the AniosUs later But if you are getting negative B values something in your procedure is less than optimal! Are you refining aniso Us with too limited data? You need high resolution data to attempt this. Are you trying to refine B factors and

Re: [ccp4bb] str solving problem

2013-06-20 Thread Eleanor Dodson
As others say - the Rfactors look pretty good for MR, mine usually start over 50% even with a better model and one hopes they then decrease.. But you say you took the Balbes model into phaser? and I think Balbes automatically runs cycles of refinement so any comment on R factors may not mean much.

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: Twinning problem - almost solved.

2013-06-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
At your resolution that seems to me a reasonable gap between R and Rfree? Eleanor On 21 Jun 2013, at 12:28, herman.schreu...@sanofi.com wrote: Dear Bulletin Board, After some headbanging (Refmac5 had helpfully created gap records for all insertions and deletions present in the structure),

Re: [ccp4bb] R too low?

2013-07-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You have obviously solved this problem, but one thing that can change apparent Rfactors is the number of reflections accepted.. If one gives you 5% more very weak reflections say, then those will inevitably have high Rfactors and this can increase the apparent Rfactor without changing the map

Re: [ccp4bb] pseudotranslation issues

2013-07-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
With that translational vector the data set is approximately I centred. If you integrate it in I centred lattice then you must consider space groups I 4 or I41. In point P4 you might need to consider SGs P4, P41, P42, P43 Eleanor On 1 July 2013 11:19, rajakumara eerappa reera...@gmail.com

Re: [ccp4bb] Self rotation function and translation peak

2013-07-06 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - translation peaks are listed in the data processing log file - look for the word translation. If there is an off-origin peak 25% of the origin you probably have two 9or more) molecules in similar orientations but displaced from each other. Self rotation peaks are listed in various

Re: [ccp4bb] Refinement of partly occupied water molecules

2013-07-12 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You are desribing the reason many people limit their refinement to lower resolution! I think it is probably universally true that there are multiple conformations for sidechain/water networks at the surface, which we just dont model properly. If you are going to tackle the fine details you need

Re: [ccp4bb] NCS information from different crystal parameters?

2013-07-12 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Hard to comment without more information, but check how many molecules you expect per asymmetric unit. If more than one look at the self rotation function - it might help. And you can with difficulty do a cross rotation between two data sets, which sometimes suggests how crystal 1 is related to

Re: [ccp4bb] Methods to reduce the model bias and increase the SAD phase

2013-07-12 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I check ha sites by 1) looking at the shelxe plots ( these are displayed in the CCP4 GUI task - prob also in phenix? ) If there is good contrast for one hand rather than the other the sites are likely to be correct - if not - hmmm; there might be a reason but they could be wrong.. Then I check

Re: [ccp4bb] TLS refinement refmac

2013-07-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Oh dear - you should always start refinement against the original processed data - but others have told you that already.. The TLS files will not be appropriate for the rescaled FPs - it is surprising that the Rfactor actually goes down though! Or are you doing several cycles of refinement in

Re: [ccp4bb] TLS refinement refmac

2013-07-18 Thread Eleanor Dodson
] on behalf of Eleanor Dodson [eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 17, 2013 6:05 AM *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] TLS refinement refmac Oh dear - you should always start refinement against the original processed data - but others have told you that already

Re: [ccp4bb] Twin or underestimation of symmetry

2013-07-30 Thread Eleanor Dodson
This is a bit puzzling. Sticking to point groups: P3 P6 are sub groups of P6/mmm so data which merges in P6/mmm will always satisfy P3 and P6. And twinning in P3 or P6 will make the data seem to have higher symmetry. Four way twinning is unusual, but possible of course. But if you really have

Re: [ccp4bb] R factor geeting stuck

2013-08-27 Thread Eleanor Dodson
that doesnt seem too bad an Rfactor to me! What do you expect? Eleanor On 27 August 2013 09:59, Afshan Begum afshan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi ccp4 experts, I have collected diffraction images to 0.96 Angstrom resolution to the edge of the detector. One data set give me the full completeness

Re: [ccp4bb] Only refine Bs in Refmac?

2013-09-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
What has happened to the CCP4 update procedure? Shouldnt this mean latest versions are on that web site? e On 4 September 2013 22:57, Garib N Murshudov ga...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk wrote: Hi refine bref bonly should be what you are looking for. You may need to use the latest available version

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resolution, twinning, pseudo-translation

2013-09-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
First - you probably have the best solution you can hope for - Rs of 27% 33% are not great, but unlikely if you had a wrong answer. A query though: t is surprising to have a pseudo translation if you expect one molecule in the asymmetry unit .. an you elborate a bit on that? Is there a good

Re: [ccp4bb] About twin refinement in Refmac

2013-09-10 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It seems you cannot read either your data or a scratch mtz file - the log file should tell you its name. There is obviously something funny - see the discussion of free r reflections.. You dont say your pointgroup - presumably P/mmm or P3m or P6/mmm - they have that twin law. But with perfect

Re: [ccp4bb] Why nobody comments about the Nobel committee decision?

2013-10-10 Thread Eleanor Dodson
This is amazing - I am so glad the Nobel committee has recognised this ground breaking, rather unglamorous work requiring great intelligence, very hard work, and a lot of disappointments! Congratulations to them all, and to the whole field. Eleanor Dodson On 10 October 2013 09:26, Alexandre

Re: [ccp4bb] changes in small sections of secondary structure

2013-10-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
, otherwise it is straightforward to generate a map yourself and look at it in coot. Eleanor Dodson On 21 October 2013 13:53, Antony Oliver antony.oli...@sussex.ac.uk wrote: Dear Mahesh, Are all the structures at similar resolution? Definition of secondary structure is, and can be, affected

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement using low sequence identity templates

2013-10-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I dont know about LLG scores - they seem extremely variable depending on the degree of sequence similarity you assign. However when you get an R/Rfree of 40%/47% that is a pretty good sign that at least something is correct. It isnt clear whether that is after you have placed 2 copies of the

Re: [ccp4bb] [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement using low sequence identity templates

2013-10-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
reproducible regardless of the assigned sequence identity. Best wishes, Randy On 21 Oct 2013, at 14:42, Eleanor Dodson eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk wrote: I dont know about LLG scores - they seem extremely variable depending on the degree of sequence similarity you assign. However when you get an R

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusual electron density - any guesses??

2013-10-28 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well I would start by flipping the carbonyl oxygen then see if the side chain can use the density - what are the B values for the neighbouring stuff? Eleanor On 25 October 2013 19:00, Patel, Joe joe.pa...@astrazeneca.com wrote: Is that a glycine in the sequence next to the Glu/Gln? Have you

Re: [ccp4bb] Is it possible for a ligand cif file from the CCP4 library to contain errors ?

2013-10-29 Thread Eleanor Dodson
There are errors in every branch of human endeavour I am sure! Please if you find something wrong. send your suggested correction to Garib Paul, and once there is a fix notify us all via the BB. CCP4 has always depended heavily on the users noticing the bugs Thank you for your observation.

Re: [ccp4bb] Comparison of Water Positions across PDBs

2013-10-30 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - years ago I wrote a program called watertidy to do just this - but it asigned waters as OH0 OH1 OH2 with a according to what atom it was H bonded too, and those names are not now permitted.. My way now is to read in a completed homologous structure - use SSM to fit it over the new one -

Re: [ccp4bb] A photograph of the Arndt-Wonacott rotation camera?

2013-10-31 Thread Eleanor Dodson
one in their book, i am sure. eleanor On 30 Oct 2013, at 16:05, Gerard Bricogne wrote: Dear all, Apologies for such a retro and non-biological question, but would anyone have a photograph of an Arndt-Wonacott rotation camera that he/she would be willing to share? I collected data on

Re: [ccp4bb] SA-omit map

2013-11-04 Thread Eleanor Dodson
What does a straight difference map look like? i.e. omit one nucleotide at a time, do a few cycles of refinement and then inspect the weighted difference map - SA may be too violent for your structure. Eleanor On 4 Nov 2013, at 06:36, dengzq1987 wrote: Dear all, Recently, I received the

Re: [ccp4bb] shelx anamalous data

2013-11-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It is easy enough if you still ant to do it. I would feed both into f2mtz separately to make a mysadIplus.mtz and a mysadImin.mtz then use CAD to combine and change the default labels to something like I(+) SIGI(+) and I(-) SIGI(-) But as George says Why do you want it? That will change the

Re: [ccp4bb] I want to dock/align an EM envelope (MRC) into a DM averaging and/or solvent envelope (MSK).

2013-11-18 Thread Eleanor Dodson
There are ways - the EM map is your model equiv to a PDB file and you need to generate a set of structure factors from your map - the EM density is put into a large box and transformed by a program such as sfall. . Is that possible for you? There are problems of scaling etc etc.. On 15

Re: [ccp4bb] SELF-ROTATION FUNCTION FROM MOLREP

2013-11-18 Thread Eleanor Dodson
First Q - how good is your data - is there no possibility of twinning or any other distraction? Second Q - To compare those results properly we need to know how the P2 and the P222 cell align - are the cell dimensions more or less the same? But the 2 plots you attach (and the list above) show

Re: [ccp4bb] translational pseudo symmetry

2013-11-18 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I guess you have checked that P43212 is a better match than P41212? (And that you are running REFMAC against an mtz file with the same symmetry as the input PDB - you may need to change the SG in the mtz header by hand. mtzutils hklin P41212.mtz hklout P43212.mtz symm P43212 end Or vice versa..

Re: [ccp4bb] Weird MR result

2013-11-18 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Hmm - why should a translational peak not be along the 40 axis? Anyway othercell shows this Conversion of cell 40, 32, 101, 90, 101, 90 can give Laue groups C m m m 40.0 198.3 32.0 90.0 90.0 89.60.42 [h,h+2l,-k] Possible spacegroups: C 2 2 21 C 2 2 2 or C 1 2/m 1 40.0

Re: [ccp4bb] translational pseudo symmetry

2013-11-19 Thread Eleanor Dodson
of mtz file and running refmac for the same PDB input. P43212 is a better match than P41212. Sincerely, Dan From: CCP4 bulletin board CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK on behalf of Eleanor Dodson eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 8:47 PM

Re: [ccp4bb] Orientation of molecules

2013-11-22 Thread Eleanor Dodson
If you suspect your MR solution is crystallographically correct but it does not represent the biological entity - eg - you will generate a dimer if you move molecule B by a symmetry operator such -x,y-1/2,1-z then the easy way is to submit the coordinates to PISA - either in the CCP4 GUI or send

Re: [ccp4bb] Refinement of data with pseudo translation symmetry

2013-11-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - your R values will probably appear higher than normal - there will be zones where all reflections are weak.. but the maximum likelihood targets are meant to deal with this reasonably well. It seems to work and the maps usually look OK! Eleanor On 25 November 2013 22:31, Niu Tou

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Phaser output problem

2013-12-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Things to check - number of molecules to search for. You can use Matthewscoeff to get a suggestion - MOLREP does it autromatically . Space group - has Phaser chosen as best SG an alternative to that in your header? Eleanor On 16 December 2013 11:03, herman.schreu...@sanofi.com wrote: Looks

Re: [ccp4bb] Heavy atom sites

2013-12-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I would find the sites from the PHIC - you need to use CAD to add Fcalc PHIC and FOM to the original data with Fnative Fderiv DANOderiv etc I usually then use SCALEIT to scale native and derivative to Fcalc - then you know you are roughly on an absolute scale Then feed those sites into Phaser_EP

Re: [ccp4bb] Heavy atom sites

2013-12-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Yes - mlphare did, but so does Phaser_ep E On 16 December 2013 18:46, Bosch, Juergen jubo...@jhsph.edu wrote: Didn't mlphare use to print those values in the log file ? Jürgen On Dec 15, 2013, at 4:29 PM, David Schuller dj...@cornell.edu wrote: I have some SIRAS data of a known structure. I

Re: [ccp4bb] R-factors from SfCHECK versus R-factors from PHENIX

2014-01-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
SFCHECK is a very quick and dirty report generator - On 15 January 2014 21:42, Pavel Afonine pafon...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ursula, you will find answers here: http://www.phenix-online.org/papers/he5476_reprint.pdf Pavel On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Ursula Schulze-Gahmen

Re: [ccp4bb] Two P1 xtals with same xtal contacts give 2 different asymmetric units

2014-01-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You dont say whether the unit cells are the same? In cases like this I sbmit both sets of coordinates to PISA - to get the preferred biological unit and check whether each structure has similar contacts. PISA is distributed with CCP4 but the version at the EBI pdb gives prettier results!

Re: [ccp4bb] twinning fun

2014-01-29 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Dont forget that with twinning in apparent point group PG6/mmm the true SG may be P6i or P3i21 See the twinning notes: http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/dist/html/twinning.html Detecting twinning can be problematic - My rule of thumb, following the procedure od ctruncate:: 0) Check the matthews

Re: [ccp4bb] Examples of multiple ASU copies with different conformations

2014-01-30 Thread Eleanor Dodson
diffracted to some extent. Examples are: 2tci 3mth 1mpj Eleanor Dodson On 30 January 2014 11:06, Bernhard Rupp hofkristall...@gmail.com wrote: There is one additional point perhaps worth making: As already noted in the thread, if you have a NCS homo-oligomer, the different copies in general

Re: [ccp4bb] R factor from merged data

2014-01-30 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I am afraid there is no real solution except to read the paper! And even that doesnt help if you suspect the merging.. There is lots of discussion about the merit of depositing UNMERGED data - and that would certainly help developers. Add your voice to the request! Eleanor On 30 January 2014

Re: [ccp4bb] high Rwork / Rfree after MR

2014-02-04 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - that depends on many things. Are you sure of the spacegroup? Those R factors sometimes indicate a wrong selection of SG P212121 instead of P21212 for example.. Are you sure the data is not twinned? Do the maps show features which are not in the model? etc etc Eleanor On 4 February 2014

Re: [ccp4bb] Sister CCPs

2014-02-13 Thread Eleanor Dodson
:41 AM, Eleanor Dodson eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk wrote: I agree with Frank - it keeps crystallographers modest to know how challenging wet lab stuff still is.. Eleanor On 12 February 2014 19:23, Robbie Joosten robbie_joos...@hotmail.com wrote: It's not an e-mail bulletin board

Re: [ccp4bb] How to find the unfound part of a big protein

2014-02-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
The very best advice is: get better data if at all possible. Things are much easier and more informative at 3A than at 4.2A and even better at 2.5A. There are various tricks which might help improve diffraction.. But if you are stuck then: The partial MR phases are very useful for checking your

[ccp4bb]

2014-02-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
One way is this: Align Domain1 of structure1 to Domain1 of structure 2 on domain 1 (using LSQKAB or whatever.) Then align domain2 of the output aligned structure 1 to domain 2 of structure 2 The polar Chi or Kappa or whatever output from that alignment is the angular shift required Eleanor

Re: [ccp4bb] Wilson plot of TRUNCATE

2014-02-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
The Best column gives Wilson plot values obtained according to this reference: From the Arp/Warp page: We have implemented an expected Wilson plot derived by Popov Bourenkov (2003) On 26 February 2014 10:04, Tao Zhang zhang...@cryst.iphy.ac.cn wrote: Dear All, Recently, I have used

Re: [ccp4bb] unusually low B-factors

2014-02-28 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I think it may well be a problem with the scaling. It is hard to get a reasonable estimate of the Wilson B at 3A - especially in a small cell. Look at the Log Graph plots - one associated with R factor gives you Fobs and Fcalc v resolution. They SHOULD overlap pretty well, but sometimes they dont

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 lib file

2014-03-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
There are lots of GLUCOSE type lib files for different sugars. One way to find what is available is: From the REfinement GUI click Monomer library sketcher You get a window with File in the top LH corner Click on that and ask for Read monomer from library Then enter a key word GLUCOSE and you

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 lib file

2014-03-07 Thread Eleanor Dodson
a different protein that my friend used and refinement Refmac5 worked out. However I need to add the LINK Command in PDB so CCP4 recognizes that glucoses connected. Can I get help please? Thank you, Remie On Mar 5, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Eleanor Dodson eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk wrote

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] regarding Fo-Fc map in coot

2014-03-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You dont say what resolution you are working at, or what the current R factor is. or how complete the model is. There are assumptions made in the refinement scaling algorithms and in their treatment of supposedly poorly ordered solvent which can generate false density (both positive and

Re: [ccp4bb] twinning problem ?

2014-03-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Sorry - hadnt finished.. The twinning tests are distorted by NC translation - usually the L test is safe, but the others are all suspect.. On 11 March 2014 14:09, Eleanor Dodson eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk wrote: What is the NC translation? If there is a factor of 0.5 that makes SG

Re: [ccp4bb] twinning problem ?

2014-03-12 Thread Eleanor Dodson
CB2 0XY, U.K. www-structmed.cimr.cam.ac.uk On 11 Mar 2014, at 14:10, Eleanor Dodson eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk wrote: Sorry - hadnt finished.. The twinning tests are distorted by NC translation - usually the L test is safe, but the others are all suspect.. On 11 March 2014 14

Re: [ccp4bb] twin refinement

2014-03-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
If the twin law is k,h,-l, then your a axis must almost equal the b axis? And if the twin fraction is 0.48 then you have additional symmetry I guess? How sure are you that the point group is P4/mmm? On 13 March 2014 20:41, Teresa Swanson teresa.m.swan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear collegues,

[ccp4bb]

2014-03-19 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I think you have solved it! That is an excellent LLG and if you can't see anything else in the map, then there s prob. not another molecule. Does it refine? If you look at the maps following refinement any missing features should become more obvious. Solvent content of 65% is not uncommon.

[ccp4bb]

2014-03-19 Thread Eleanor Dodson
a synchrotron trip next week, hopefully this should help clear things up a bit. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:17 AM, Eleanor Dodson eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk wrote: I think you have solved it! That is an excellent LLG and if you can't see anything else in the map, then there s prob. not another molecule

Re: [ccp4bb] ccp4i molrep errors

2014-03-20 Thread Eleanor Dodson
This is a problem for the ccp4 team at STFC. Eleanor On 20 March 2014 12:11, Ming Sun ms4...@columbia.edu wrote: Hi All I'm running molrep on a large complex, while I have met the following two problems 1) If the pdb model is smaller than the map, is it possible that molrep could not

Re: [ccp4bb] Error in ccp4lib?

2014-03-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You don't say how you are doing the transformation? I would simply input the file to cad cad hklin1 thisfile.mtz hklout newfile.mtz labi file 1 allin end I think (and hope) that the data and phases will be converted correctly to the CCP4 asymmetric unit. Eleanor On 25 Mar 2014, at 09:16,

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with making a continuous nucleic acid chain

2014-04-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Why dont you try CCP4MG ? Eleanor On 22 April 2014 22:37, Xiaoming Ren xiaomingre...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all: I am facing a display issue in pymol. In my structure, there is a nucleic acid chain with some monomers which are modified nucleotides built in scketcher of ccp4 suite. However,

Re: [ccp4bb] Systematically shifted peak in 2Fo-Fc and BDF maps

2014-04-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
A technecality - the Dano only contains information about anomalous scatterers and should therefore show these more precisely. The 2Fo-Fc map will tend to show anything which is included in the phasing at the position given. For safety you can set all the atom occupancies in the vicinity of the

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] rigid body refinement or molecular replacement.

2014-04-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
PLEASE do NOT do MR - You will most likely finish up with a different origin for your SG, and it will make comparisons a pain in the neck! Just do a rigid body refinement starting with the native structure. If you like you can change the cell to the substrate one pdbset xyzin native.pdb xyzout

Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous signal

2014-04-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Look at the aimless plot of CCanom . That is the best indicator I think and very sensitive when you have such high redundancy Eleanor On 25 Apr 2014, at 22:13, Jim Pflugrath wrote: d/sig should be above 0.80 There seems to be plenty of signal there with all values above 1.02. We have

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with Rfactor

2014-04-29 Thread Eleanor Dodson
We need more information. First if the pointgroup is hexagonal are you searching al likely SPACEgroup - eg PG P6, SGs might P6 P61 P62P63 P64 P65.. There is a GUI option to do this for both MOLREP Phaser. You can guess the likely no of molecules using matthews In the GUI - that is in the MOL

Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous signal

2014-04-30 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - this is pretty common, and really doesnt matter. I just let SHELXC/D give an occupancy to its anom scatterer solutions and assume that the stronger one is Ca. But in fact it wont matter at all for the phasing, and IF the experiment works it is easy to sort out S from Ca in the final map.

[ccp4bb] odd phaser failure

2014-05-20 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I should be sending thids to the phaser team I guess, but maybe there is an easy fix.. This is the end of the log file.. Sg I222 or I212121 Scoring 500 randomly sampled orientations and translations Spreading calculation onto 2 threads. Generating Statistics for TF SET #1 of 2 0%

Re: [ccp4bb] problem with refmac and xloggraph

2014-05-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
This is fixed now if you re-install updates and Armando - this is crude but if you edit the log file and replace Rfactor v. resln :N:1,6,7 11 12with Rfactor v. resln :N:1,6,7,11,12 it will work. On 21 May 2014 10:20, Armando Albert xalb...@iqfr.csic.es wrote: Dear all, does anyone

Re: [ccp4bb] Reprocess data with new resolution cutoff?

2014-05-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
An obvious point - remember refinement exists to give you the best possible model so you need to look at the maps. And I guess that has to be a subjective assessment - if you SEE anything more clearly at the higher resolution - I would use that data, but if the maps do not improve discard it..

[ccp4bb] Potentially serious if unusual bug in handling symmetry

2014-05-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
. In the short term we simply took the processed mtz file and ran mtzutils hklin1 corrupted.mtz hklout fixed.mtz SYMM 3018 (or symm P2 21 21 ) and the fixed file was OK Eleanor Dodson

Re: [ccp4bb] Scalepack2mtz keeps running

2014-05-27 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Do check for any differences in format.. Or attach the sca file and I can check why/what (maybe!) Eleanor On 25 May 2014 13:02, chen chenc...@gmail.com wrote: hi all, I have an .sca file processed by HKL2000 about 4 years ago, I just used the Scalepack2mtz program to change it into .mtz

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Refmac5

2014-05-29 Thread Eleanor Dodson
There are differences between the LINK pdb definition and that in REFMAC - hence the different name LINK and LINKR LINKR allows you to do this: ie cross reference to a dictionary link which is much more informative than a simple LINK record which can only define a link distance. However for

Re: [ccp4bb] lsqkab problem to be reported to developer

2014-06-02 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Can you send more details? the log file? the pdb On 30 May 2014 22:54, Carter, Charlie car...@med.unc.edu wrote: This is a bizarre problem. I'm trying to superimpose multiple conformations of the same protein using segments I expect not to change. LSQKAB bails with this error each time:

Re: [ccp4bb] negative density around disulfide bond

2014-06-02 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I have seen similar features fairly often when the data collection has been pushed to the limit. The theory is that it is due to radiation damage - you could check by only merging say the first 50% of your data, then seeing if the di-sulphide is intact in those maps. ( wouldnt re-refine much -

Re: [ccp4bb] baverage: no tables were found in this file

2014-06-03 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I thought the addition of ... around file names got round this problem eg This_is_Mine.pdb and That is Yours.pdb Eleanor On 3 June 2014 13:15, Eugene Krissinel eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: I am afraid that it is us who will need to conform eventually :), same to say about Program

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] possible twinning issue in P4212 / I422

2014-06-04 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It helps to look at the output from the truncate step quite critically. First is there a non cryst translation of 1/2,1/2,1/2 indicated in the P4 2i2 data set? If so then the I centring at lower resolution might just be approximate.. If there is NC translation then other twinning statistics are

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] possible twinning issue in P4212 / I422

2014-06-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
the problem. As one suggested offboard (tongue-in-cheek): Why not find crystals that are not twinned, probably with higher resolution? I will do that, and thanks again for your input! All the best, -Bjørn On 06/04/2014 03:09 AM, Eleanor Dodson wrote: It helps to look at the output from

Re: [ccp4bb] Help in Cell content analysis

2014-06-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
That is puzzling. 18% solvent is not common and you would expect very strong diffraction with such a low solvent content. one possibility is that the NC symmetry is parallel to a crystal axis and is making monoclinic data appear to have an extra 2-fold axis. (There is a case I have heard of

Re: [ccp4bb] seeking help about running SCALEPACK2mtz

2014-06-27 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It is very hard to diagnose this sort of error - I didnt think scalepack2mtz cared about data quality! There is more likely some format problem.. Is a sca file meant to have some sort of terminator? But best to attach the offending sca file so that experts can check it.. Eleanor On 26 June 2014

Re: [ccp4bb] Input reflection file for refmac runs

2014-07-01 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Keep on using the master file. Refmac corrects the observations in a few ways The overall anisotropic B correction is always applied In the worst case scenario where you are refining considering twinning the 2FP2 output is no longer the observed FP but one after a detwinning correction.. So

Re: [ccp4bb] Metal ion differentiation - reg

2014-07-01 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It is difficult! Ni Zn are rather interchangable.. You dont say what resolution you have: There will be a small difference in the number of electrons you expect to see at the metal site, depending on whether it is Zn Zn2+ etc etc, and you can correct that to take account of the f' as well. So

Re: [ccp4bb] twin or untwinned

2014-07-04 Thread Eleanor Dodson
To answer the original question. The indicators are that it is not twinned, If the Mean s are close to the untwinned values - you can probably believe it. Why are you worried? Eleanor Determining possible twin laws. 0 merohedral twin operators found 0 pseudo-merohedral twin operators found

Re: [ccp4bb] twin or untwinned

2014-07-04 Thread Eleanor Dodson
:49 AM, Eleanor Dodson eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk wrote: To answer the original question. The indicators are that it is not twinned, If the Mean s are close to the untwinned values - you can probably believe it. Why are you worried? Eleanor Determining possible twin laws. 0 merohedral

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Weired Crystal packing

2014-07-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I suggest submitting your coordinates to the PDBe (EBI) web site to run PISA or using it via tthe CCP4I interface. This analysing contacts, and suggests the most favoured packing. It is not fool proof but worth checking. Eleanor On 15 July 2014 09:53, herman.schreu...@sanofi.com wrote: Dear

Re: [ccp4bb] Translational NCS and molecular replacement.

2014-07-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
No need to reindex - just do this to change the space group in the scala header. mtzutils hklin1 scala.mtz hklout scala-P22121.mtz symm P22121 end There are other ways of course.. Eleanor On 16 July 2014 13:28, Vajdos, Felix felix.vaj...@pfizer.com wrote: Dear Sudipta— Herman is

Re: [ccp4bb] Hi

2014-07-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Yes - is it rot mat? at home so can't check but look at the documentation - I remember it turned any rotation definition into all the other likely ones… Eleanor On 21 Jul 2014, at 05:01, vijay srivastava wrote: Dear All, Is there is any program to convert euler angles into theta, phi and

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Negative electron density in the Fo-Fc map at the binding site

2014-07-22 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well yes, The bulk solvent model can distort the density, especially if the ligand is large. But it usually isnt too serious - try doing SIMPLE scaling and see if that has any effect on the appearance of the density Eleanor On 22 July 2014 10:16, herman.schreu...@sanofi.com wrote: Dear

Re: [ccp4bb] core rmsd in coot

2012-04-04 Thread Eleanor Dodson
. http://journals.iucr.org/d/issues/2004/12/01/ba5056/ba5056.pdf (Open Access) HTH, Paul. -- Professor Eleanor Dodson YSNL, Dept of Chemistry University of York Heslington YO10 5YW tel: 00 44 1904 328259 Fax: 00 44 1904 328266

Re: [ccp4bb] negative difference density around sulphur and oxygen atoms

2012-04-06 Thread Eleanor Dodson
.html ).Can this also happen with oxygen atoms? What would be an appropriate way to deal with this issue during refinement? Suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks,Chris -- Professor Eleanor Dodson YSNL, Dept of Chemistry University of York Heslington YO10 5YW tel: 00 44 1904 328259 Fax: 00 44

Re: [ccp4bb] problem in scaling the Zn-MAD data

2012-04-06 Thread Eleanor Dodson
was p312 which i obtained by running a self-rotation function in MOLREP. When i scale my data using p312 spacegroup the chi2 and rejections were huge. But he data was scaling well in p321 spacegroup. can anyone explain whats going on? Thank you very much Deepthi -- Professor Eleanor Dodson YSNL

Re: [ccp4bb] problem in scaling the Zn-MAD data

2012-04-06 Thread Eleanor Dodson
) *** -- Professor Eleanor Dodson YSNL, Dept of Chemistry University of York Heslington YO10 5YW tel: 00 44 1904 328259 Fax: 00 44 1904 328266

Re: [ccp4bb] unsubscribe

2012-04-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I think the community should thank you Wolfram for all you have contributed - I do hope this message catches you or someone passes it on! All the best for your retirement eleanor Dodson On 11 April 2012 11:21, Wolfram Saenger saen...@chemie.fu-berlin.de wrote: Dear CCP4 bulletin board

Re: [ccp4bb] Expanding p4212 coordinates to p1

2012-04-12 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Cad will do this correctly Reflection utilitied - merge mtz ( rather confusing job title - sorry..) mtz in - the P4121.mtz data Output - P41212-ext.mtz Defne mtz output Select define limit for refl;action by Laue code select P1 then you will get a list of all P1 reflections with phases

Re: [ccp4bb] Expanding p4212 coordinates to p1

2012-04-12 Thread Eleanor Dodson
are they listed (they're not in symop.lib or syminfo.lib)? Or are they doing some clever projections of the space groups? Cheers -- Ian On 12 April 2012 11:48, Eleanor Dodson eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk wrote: Cad will do this correctly Reflection utilitied - merge mtz ( rather confusing job

Re: [ccp4bb] Coot chain ID

2012-04-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Edit, or use coot to reorder chains If you read that edited pdb into pdbset pdbset xyzin edited.pdb xyzout edited-and-renumbered.pdb end I think the renumbering happens automatically.. Eleanor On 14 April 2012 09:46, Bernhard Lechtenberg bc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: In Coot you can use

Re: [ccp4bb] Good way to check ion sites on Coot

2012-04-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
And Marjorie Hardings results are nicely tabulated on a web site.. Google for it Eleanor On 13 April 2012 22:08, Marc Kvansakul m.kvansa...@latrobe.edu.au wrote: Hi Andre, Majorie Harding wrote a few nice papers on metal ion binding sites and their associated coordination geometry,

Re: [ccp4bb] Disorder or poor phases?

2012-04-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Nothing profound to add to this interesting discussion, but I too would like to plug FobsA - FobsB type maps - when A and B are similar but not quite the same.. It is prudent to omit the interesting parts of model A (or B) - whichever you use to calculate the PHIC and FOM - but the peaks and

Re: [ccp4bb] wwPDB and CCDC

2012-04-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
A jolly good thing - congratulations and thanks to the instigators... Eleanor On 13 April 2012 15:40, Gerard DVD Kleywegt ger...@xray.bmc.uu.se wrote: Hi Paul, You saw the wwPDB/CCDC JPG in my PPT at GSK :-) Yes, wwPDB and CCDC have signed an MoU. In pounds and pennies it means, amongst a

Re: [ccp4bb] bulk solvent treatment inside protein cavities

2012-04-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Oh dear - this is the version of Refmac in the latest ccp4 release - can this be updated on the web site as soon as possible ? Eleanor On 16 April 2012 12:02, Garib N Murshudov ga...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk wrote: Dear Allister Could you please update refmac version. In the version you it seems

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