On 13-10-2014 16:18, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Valeri Galtsev
galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
Being able to grab your existing desktop remotely with all open
windows and long-running programs intact is a big plus, though - and
you get that for free with NX or
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
marcelo.leit...@gmail.com wrote:
Both are packaged and fairly easy to try on CentOS 6. On 7, only
x2go is available and it has a problem with the 3d requirement of
Gnome3 so you have to use KDE or install MATE from EPEL.
Ah, just
On Oct 14, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
But, I'm kind of surprised that someone hasn't done a raspberry-pi
type device that boots directly into x2go and comes out cheaper than a
video card per seat. Haven't needed one badly enough to build it
myself yet.
It
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Warren Young war...@etr-usa.com wrote:
But, I'm kind of surprised that someone hasn't done a raspberry-pi
type device that boots directly into x2go and comes out cheaper than a
video card per seat. Haven't needed one badly enough to build it
myself yet.
It
On Oct 14, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Warren Young war...@etr-usa.com wrote:
It should be trivial to set up an actual RPi to do that.
The beauty of the original K12LTSP respin was that just
you did a normal fill-in-the-form
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Warren Young war...@etr-usa.com wrote:
The beauty of the original K12LTSP respin was that just
you did a normal fill-in-the-form install pretty much like any
fedora/centos
If you insist on having a whole OS dedicated to this, I guess you could go
fork
On 10/11/2014 08:07 AM, Marcelo Ricardo Leitner wrote:
On 09-10-2014 14:13, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com wrote:
What exactly does that mean - multi seat environments?
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat/
Ok I
On 10/13/2014 7:17 AM, Steve Clark wrote: Yes but you have to be physically
close to the main cpu. What about
distractions from other people sitting right next to you?
Playing music, etc.
That's not all that different from modern cube farms. You learn to tolerate or
ignore other people, or
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Chris Beattie cbeat...@geninfo.com wrote:
On 10/13/2014 7:17 AM, Steve Clark wrote: Yes but you have to be physically
close to the main cpu. What about
distractions from other people sitting right next to you?
Playing music, etc.
That's not all that
On Mon, October 13, 2014 1:50 pm, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Chris Beattie cbeat...@geninfo.com
wrote:
On 10/13/2014 7:17 AM, Steve Clark wrote: Yes but you have to be
physically close to the main cpu. What about
distractions from other people sitting right next to
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Valeri Galtsev
galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
Being able to grab your existing desktop remotely with all open
windows and long-running programs intact is a big plus, though - and
you get that for free with NX or x2go. Can you connect remotely to
your VM
On Mon, October 13, 2014 1:50 pm, Les Mikesell wrote:
Being able to grab your existing desktop remotely with all open
windows and long-running programs intact is a big plus, though - and
you get that for free with NX or x2go. Can you connect remotely to
your VM host some other way if you
On 2014-10-13, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
On Mon, October 13, 2014 1:50 pm, Les Mikesell wrote:
Being able to grab your existing desktop remotely with all open
windows and long-running programs intact is a big plus, though - and
you get that for free with NX or x2go.
On 09-10-2014 14:13, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com wrote:
What exactly does that mean - multi seat environments?
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat/
Ok I read the information. So as I understand it you are
On Wed, 2014-10-08 at 12:45 -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
When someone is saying they are looking into hiring hitman for me I'm
not only questioning sanity of them (and we know many examples when
majority is nasty), but also sanity of person who claims that.
The harsh reality of life is
On Wed, 2014-10-08 at 14:22 -0400, Digimer wrote:
Change is good.
Change is inevitable in life. Virtually everything changes including the
eventual decline of our sun. Not sure about atomic weights or the value
of Pi (3.142) or E=mc² Perhaps they break the rule that everything
changes.
Being
On Fri, October 10, 2014 10:46 am, Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 2014-10-08 at 14:22 -0400, Digimer wrote:
Change is good.
Change is inevitable in life. Virtually everything changes including the
eventual decline of our sun. Not sure about atomic weights or the value
of Pi (3.142) or
On Fri, 2014-10-10 at 11:51 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Always Learning wrote:
Systemd should be been much more widely discussed with the general
Linux / Red Hat and clones community. I am sure beneficial improvements
would have been proposed and, hopefully, implemented prior to Red
On Fri, 2014-10-10 at 11:05 -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
It is about fundamental approach. We always modularize things: split into
smaller subunits each of the last doing its smaller task. This allows to
make smaller things work reliably, and test these smaller things more
comprehensively.
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Always Learning cen...@u62.u22.net wrote:
It is about fundamental approach. We always modularize things: split into
smaller subunits each of the last doing its smaller task. This allows to
make smaller things work reliably, and test these smaller things more
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:05:19AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
We had this modular system V
boot until recently. We lost it. We got iPhone, with whatever you can get
in App store instead. And not all of us are pleased by this change. And,
BTW, there was one of the posts of MS Windows big fan
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Jonathan Billings billi...@negate.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:05:19AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
We had this modular system V
boot until recently. We lost it. We got iPhone, with whatever you can get
in App store instead. And not all of us are
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 02:37:01PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
A simple 'ps uf -p 1' on a couple of machines shows about 10x the
resident memory use and 5x virtual on Centos 7 vs. 5.x. And yet, the
programs that it started don't show any improvement for the extra
cost.
So, the extra memory is
On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 11:05:19 -0500 (CDT)
Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
It is about fundamental approach. We always modularize things: split
into smaller subunits each of the last doing its smaller task. This
allows to make smaller things work reliably, and test these smaller
On 10/10/2014 1:13 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
It appears to me that much of bashing of systemd is just FUD.
...
But people simply refuse to understand
it (or never even bother to learn the details), and keep bashing
systemd for making the distinction between disabling and masking a
service.
Once upon a time, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com said:
I don't really see how systemd violates the do one thing and do it
well philosophy.
systemd (as PID 1) is not necessarily the problem. The problem IMHO is
the systemd _project_ that appears to have a severe case of scope creep.
They
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 09:13:13PM +0100, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
It appears to me that much of bashing of systemd is just FUD. One of
the typical misconceptions is the disable vs. mask for services ---
despite appearances, the systemd disable does *exactly* the same
thing that SYSV disable
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net wrote:
Once upon a time, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com said:
I don't really see how systemd violates the do one thing and do it
well philosophy.
systemd (as PID 1) is not necessarily the problem. The problem IMHO is
the
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 10.10.2014 um 22:38 schrieb Les Mikesell:
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net wrote:
Once upon a time, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com said:
I don't really see how systemd violates
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 05:33:22PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
What happens to ownership of a DVD or audio device when a different
user logs in at the console - even if some other remote user wants to
access them? The magic is more about ConsoleKit and PolicyKit than
specifically systemd
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
marcelo.leit...@gmail.com wrote:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/J2TZrTvu7vd
No, do you dig a new foundation for your
Am 08.10.2014 um 19:35 schrieb Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu:
On Wed, October 8, 2014 12:22 pm, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Jonathan Billings wrote:
And the point of it is?
Can someone just send the team that's working
On 10/08/2014 07:39 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Oct 8, 2014, at 6:58 PM, Jonathan Billings billi...@negate.org wrote:
3.) better support multi-seat environments
Errr... I meant that moving it to userspace makes it easier to support
multi-seat environments.
Hi Jonathan,
What exactly does
Am 08.10.2014 um 20:18 schrieb m.r...@5-cent.us:
Marcelo Ricardo Leitner wrote:
On 08-10-2014 14:36, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Robert Arkiletian rob...@gmail.com
wrote:
But oddly, he didn't even mention that there would be a real simple
solution - just add
Am 08.10.2014 um 20:25 schrieb Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
marcelo.leit...@gmail.com wrote:
But oddly, he didn't even mention that there would be a real simple
solution - just add backwards-compatible improvements instead of
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 6:19 AM, Leon Fauster leonfaus...@googlemail.com wrote:
But so did other systems, but they later found out that sometimes you have
to break this backwards to infinity compatibility in order to get some big
progress.
Only if the design was bad in the first place. And
On Thu, October 9, 2014 7:37 am, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 6:19 AM, Leon Fauster leonfaus...@googlemail.com
wrote:
But so did other systems, but they later found out that sometimes you
have
to break this backwards to infinity compatibility in order to get some
big
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Valeri Galtsev
galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
was - the requirements at that time were nearly/completely
different. We have different scenarios right now.
Really? What application could you not start with sysv init syntax?
What CPU has become too slow to
On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 07:12:50AM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
What exactly does that mean - multi seat environments?
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat/
--
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CentOS
Am 09.10.2014 um 15:07 schrieb Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Valeri Galtsev
galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
Really? What application could you not start with sysv init syntax?
What CPU has become too slow to start things serially? What feature
do
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Leon Fauster leonfaus...@googlemail.com wrote:
But what am I doing. The World passed that point...
I guess debugging the GUIs that make the config files accessible will
be job security for the young guys that replace us...
Are you serious? Do you provide
On Thu, October 9, 2014 6:09 am, Leon Fauster wrote:
Am 08.10.2014 um 19:35 schrieb Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu:
On Wed, October 8, 2014 12:22 pm, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Jonathan Billings wrote:
And the point of it
On Wed, October 8, 2014 11:31 pm, John R. Dennison wrote:
On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 07:16:16PM -0700, Keith Keller wrote:
I can't speak for John, but presumably you were singled out for making
your complaint in a completely ridiculous and inappropriate way.
Please take this pissing contest
On Wed, October 8, 2014 13:36, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Robert Arkiletian rob...@gmail.com wrote:
Just a heads up to those who haven't seen this yet. The main author of
systemd publicly wrote about being basically persecuted.
On Wed, October 8, 2014 14:49, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Digimer li...@alteeve.ca wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Digimer li...@alteeve.ca wrote:
Airbags, ABS, Traction Control, ACE compatibility, stronger survival
space,
better fuel economy, more
On Thu, October 9, 2014 11:12 am, James B. Byrne wrote:
On Wed, October 8, 2014 13:36, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Robert Arkiletian rob...@gmail.com
wrote:
Just a heads up to those who haven't seen this yet. The main author of
systemd publicly wrote about being
On 10/09/2014 09:57 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 07:12:50AM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
What exactly does that mean - multi seat environments?
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat/
Ok I read the information. So as I understand it you
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Valeri Galtsev
galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
I'd rather have people look at this:
http://www.zdnet.com/linus-torvalds-and-others-on-linuxs-systemd-733847/
Yes, much too cavalier about bugs and compatibility is exactly
right. Never mind the fact that
Once upon a time, Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com said:
Ok I read the information. So as I understand it you are going have a
computer that
has multiple graphics cards with multiple keyboards and multiple mice divided
into
seats. Really?
Where do I buy this computer?
Umm, Wal-Mart?
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com wrote:
What exactly does that mean - multi seat environments?
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat/
Ok I read the information. So as I understand it you are going have a
computer that
has multiple
On 10/09/2014 01:13 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com wrote:
What exactly does that mean - multi seat environments?
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat/
Ok I read the information. So as I understand it you are
Am 09.10.2014 um 16:57 schrieb Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com:
I have. And I know how to. Ascii sort order is a straightforward
concept for both humans and computers. I knew how to deal with
scenarios with subtle issues like the network service 'completing'
startup even though the
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Leon Fauster leonfaus...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am 09.10.2014 um 16:57 schrieb Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com:
I have. And I know how to. Ascii sort order is a straightforward
concept for both humans and computers. I knew how to deal with
scenarios with
Anybody see this article on /.
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On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 11:04:11AM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
Anybody see this article on /.
I'd avoid slashdot entirely and read the phoronix article:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTgwNzQ
Also, note that this is in the experimental release and most likely
won't be EL7's
Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 11:04:11AM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
Anybody see this article on /.
I'd avoid slashdot entirely and read the phoronix article:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTgwNzQ
Also, note that this is in the experimental release and
On 08/10/14 01:08 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 11:04:11AM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
Anybody see this article on /.
I'd avoid slashdot entirely and read the phoronix article:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTgwNzQ
Also, note
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 11:04:11AM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
Anybody see this article on /.
I'd avoid slashdot entirely and read the phoronix article:
On Wed, October 8, 2014 12:15 pm, Digimer wrote:
On 08/10/14 01:08 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 11:04:11AM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
Anybody see this article on /.
I'd avoid slashdot entirely and read the phoronix article:
On 08/10/14 01:22 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 11:04:11AM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
Anybody see this article on /.
I'd avoid slashdot entirely and read the phoronix article:
Robert Arkiletian wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 11:04:11AM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
Anybody see this article on /.
I'd avoid slashdot entirely and read the phoronix article:
On Wed, October 8, 2014 12:22 pm, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 11:04:11AM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
Anybody see this article on /.
I'd avoid slashdot entirely and read the phoronix
On 08/10/14 01:35 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Wed, October 8, 2014 12:22 pm, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 11:04:11AM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
Anybody see this article on /.
I'd avoid
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Robert Arkiletian rob...@gmail.com wrote:
Just a heads up to those who haven't seen this yet. The main author of
systemd publicly wrote about being basically persecuted.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/J2TZrTvu7vd
But oddly,
On Wed, October 8, 2014 12:36 pm, Digimer wrote:
On 08/10/14 01:35 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Wed, October 8, 2014 12:22 pm, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 11:04:11AM -0400, Steve Clark
Digimer wrote:
On 08/10/14 01:35 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Wed, October 8, 2014 12:22 pm, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 11:04:11AM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
Anybody see this article on /.
On 10/8/2014 10:35 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
OK, I for one am boycotting his creature, to the extent I can, the way I
can: I move my servers away from Linux (to FreeBSD, if someone
interested). None of my server will run on the box that has systemd.
Workstations stay Linux...
you've said this
On 10/8/2014 10:45 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
I want to*WHACK* Poettering between the eyes, and get his attention.
Maybe that would get past his self-centered self-importance.
look in the mirror.
--
john r pierce 37N 122W
somewhere on the middle of the
On 08-10-2014 14:36, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Robert Arkiletian rob...@gmail.com wrote:
Just a heads up to those who haven't seen this yet. The main author of
systemd publicly wrote about being basically persecuted.
John R Pierce wrote:
On 10/8/2014 10:45 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
I want to*WHACK* Poettering between the eyes, and get his attention.
Maybe that would get past his self-centered self-importance.
look in the mirror.
Why? In what way am I coming up with new complicated overlays for what we
On 10/8/2014 11:14 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
John R Pierce wrote:
On 10/8/2014 10:45 AM,m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
I want to*WHACK* Poettering between the eyes, and get his attention.
Maybe that would get past his self-centered self-importance.
look in the mirror.
Why? In what way am I
Marcelo Ricardo Leitner wrote:
On 08-10-2014 14:36, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Robert Arkiletian rob...@gmail.com
wrote:
Just a heads up to those who haven't seen this yet. The main author of
systemd publicly wrote about being basically persecuted.
On 08/10/14 02:18 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Marcelo Ricardo Leitner wrote:
On 08-10-2014 14:36, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Robert Arkiletian rob...@gmail.com
wrote:
Just a heads up to those who haven't seen this yet. The main author of
systemd publicly wrote about
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
marcelo.leit...@gmail.com wrote:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/J2TZrTvu7vd
But oddly, he didn't even mention that there would be a real simple
solution - just add backwards-compatible improvements
John R Pierce wrote:
On 10/8/2014 11:14 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
John R Pierce wrote:
On 10/8/2014 10:45 AM,m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
I want to*WHACK* Poettering between the eyes, and get his
attention.
Maybe that would get past his self-centered self-importance.
look in the mirror.
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Digimer li...@alteeve.ca wrote:
Airbags, ABS, Traction Control, ACE compatibility, stronger survival space,
better fuel economy, more comfortable...
I think I've forgotten what user interfaces these break. Did they
take away the steering wheel to add them?
--
On 08/10/14 02:25 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
John R Pierce wrote:
On 10/8/2014 11:14 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
John R Pierce wrote:
On 10/8/2014 10:45 AM,m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
I want to*WHACK* Poettering between the eyes, and get his
attention.
Maybe that would get past his
On 08/10/14 02:29 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Digimer li...@alteeve.ca wrote:
Airbags, ABS, Traction Control, ACE compatibility, stronger survival space,
better fuel economy, more comfortable...
I think I've forgotten what user interfaces these break. Did they
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Digimer li...@alteeve.ca wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Digimer li...@alteeve.ca wrote:
Airbags, ABS, Traction Control, ACE compatibility, stronger survival
space,
better fuel economy, more comfortable...
I think I've forgotten what user interfaces
On 08-10-2014 15:18, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Marcelo Ricardo Leitner wrote:
On 08-10-2014 14:36, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Robert Arkiletian rob...@gmail.com
wrote:
Just a heads up to those who haven't seen this yet. The main author of
systemd publicly wrote about
On 10/8/2014 11:29 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Digimerli...@alteeve.ca wrote:
Airbags, ABS, Traction Control, ACE compatibility, stronger survival space,
better fuel economy, more comfortable...
I think I've forgotten what user interfaces these break. Did they
On 10/8/2014 11:25 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
Only if the design was bad in the first place. And if the design was
really bad, there wouldn't be any users to infuriate by breaking the
interfaces they use. But the unix design that linux and linux
distributions copied was pretty good, including the
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 2:00 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote:
anyways, cars are not a good analogy to computers over the same time scale,
unless you want to go back to the days of the model T, where the 3 pedals
operated clutch bands on a planetary transmission, and the throttle
On 08-10-2014 15:25, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
marcelo.leit...@gmail.com wrote:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/J2TZrTvu7vd
But oddly, he didn't even mention that there would be a real simple
solution -
On 10/08/2014 02:22 PM, Digimer wrote:
On 08/10/14 02:18 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Marcelo Ricardo Leitner wrote:
On 08-10-2014 14:36, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Robert Arkiletian rob...@gmail.com
wrote:
Just a heads up to those who haven't seen this yet. The main
On 10/08/2014 03:00 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
On 10/8/2014 11:29 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Digimerli...@alteeve.ca wrote:
Airbags, ABS, Traction Control, ACE compatibility, stronger survival space,
better fuel economy, more comfortable...
I think I've forgotten
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com wrote:
Yes, wasn't it amazing how much could get done with so little resources. We
ran our whole
college administration on an IBM-1130 with 8K of core and a 2.5mega byte
removable drive.
And now the font rendering takes more
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 2:05 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote:
Only if the design was bad in the first place. And if the design was
really bad, there wouldn't be any users to infuriate by breaking the
interfaces they use. But the unix design that linux and linux
distributions
On 10/8/2014 12:10 PM, Marcelo Ricardo Leitner wrote:
Anyway, hands down if you still use one of the very first mobile
phones and not a smartphone
I use a modern clamshell/flipphone. fits in my pocket much better than
a smartphone and is better for making phone calls.
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John R Pierce wrote:
On 10/8/2014 12:10 PM, Marcelo Ricardo Leitner wrote:
Anyway, hands down if you still use one of the very first mobile
phones and not a smartphone
I use a modern clamshell/flipphone. fits in my pocket much better than
a smartphone and is better for making phone calls.
On Wed, October 8, 2014 12:55 pm, John R Pierce wrote:
On 10/8/2014 10:35 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
OK, I for one am boycotting his creature, to the extent I can, the way I
can: I move my servers away from Linux (to FreeBSD, if someone
interested). None of my server will run on the box that
On Wed, October 8, 2014 1:25 pm, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
John R Pierce wrote:
On 10/8/2014 11:14 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
John R Pierce wrote:
On 10/8/2014 10:45 AM,m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
I want to*WHACK* Poettering between the eyes, and get his
attention.
Maybe that would get past
On Oct 8, 2014, at 1:08 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
And the point of it is?
Moving the VT management into userspace. Having it in-kernel makes it
1.) difficult to program for (and hasn't been updated much since the 90s)
2.) insecure and
3.) better support multi-seat environments
amongst
On Oct 8, 2014, at 6:58 PM, Jonathan Billings billi...@negate.org wrote:
3.) better support multi-seat environments
Errr... I meant that moving it to userspace makes it easier to support
multi-seat environments.
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On 2014-10-08, m.r...@5-cent.us m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
John R Pierce wrote:
On 10/8/2014 10:45 AM,m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Maybe that would get past his self-centered self-importance.
look in the mirror.
I was commenting re your constant complaining that you don't like
change, therefore
Who are you and who is John you braive behind computer tell me your name and
everything will be taking care of what scared
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On 09/10/14 12:02 AM, Victoria Svitovenko wrote:
Who are you and who is John you braive behind computer tell me your name and
everything will be taking care of what scared
Mods?
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What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a
On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 07:16:16PM -0700, Keith Keller wrote:
I can't speak for John, but presumably you were singled out for making
your complaint in a completely ridiculous and inappropriate way.
Please take this pissing contest off-list if you would all be so kind.
Just wait ho you just wait i care less what you did its all long time
investigating and one thing left what is the name of that rat. Now i will start
real hunt time to get rid of cockroaches
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Opps i dont have ssc yet who was that over on the photos of mine i guess its
Federal case now
Stoll my photos my family friends magazine's property photos disiers movies
directors i dont even need to hunt you they will get you first and fester
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