thus John R Pierce spake:
On 01/18/11 10:51 PM, Geoff Galitz wrote:
Wrong on the demise of the Sparc. Oracle just posted a massively
record breaking TPC-C benchmark using their new Sparc T3 servers,
something like 30 MILLION TPM.
Oracle has very publically committed to keeping SPARC
Not aimed at John in particular ...
Please, folks, you really don't need to add extra noise. That thread is
already unnecessarily noisy. Thanks.
Kai
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On 16 January 2011 20:45, Parshwa Murdia b330...@gmail.com wrote:
Another option, if you are concerned about the short life cycle of
Fedora, would be to look at Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. The 'LTS' means Long Term
Support and will be supported for a fairly long time. 10.04 was
released last
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Hakan Koseoglu ha...@koseoglu.org wrote:
Ubuntu LTS has a 3 year life cycle overall for desktops, 5 year for servers.
Ubuntu and Fedora have a new release approx every 6 months but their
end of life is 18 months. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS and
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:36 AM, Parshwa Murdia b330...@gmail.com wrote:
I personally would recommend Ubuntu LTS for family members. CentOS is
geared for technical people.
Oh I see. But at least work could be done in Fedora too like without
going into the technical details at least multimedia
Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:36 AM, Parshwa Murdia b330...@gmail.com wrote:
I personally would recommend Ubuntu LTS for family members. CentOS is
geared for technical people.
snip
Ubuntu's focus is usability - that is, making the distribution easy to
install and use. Fedora
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Les Mikesell wrote:
CentOS would likely only be used as a desktop OS by people who also run
servers and like everything to be the same. They all assemble approximately
the same set of upstream packages, though, so it is possible to make them
all do the same things with
I find that in places where I don¹t have latest and greatest hardware,
CEntOS makes a much better Desktop OS than Ubuntu. If all I am doing is
running a web browser for the most part, I use CEntOS.
-- cwebber
On 1/19/11 7:13 AM, John Hodrien j.h.hodr...@leeds.ac.uk wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Christopher R Webber
christopher.web...@ucr.edu wrote:
I find that in places where I don¹t have latest and greatest hardware,
CEntOS makes a much better Desktop OS than Ubuntu. If all I am doing is
running a web browser for the most part, I use CEntOS.
Means
At Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:13:41 + (GMT) CentOS mailing list
centos@centos.org wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Les Mikesell wrote:
CentOS would likely only be used as a desktop OS by people who also run
servers and like everything to be the same. They all assemble approximately
the same
Dear Parshwa,
I tend to agree with you in some of your points. I migrated my systems
from ubuntu to centos and I could not be more happy. off course I have
been force to learn the new places where things are the redhat way but
not problem since the usual tools continue to exist in both platforms.
On 1/19/2011 9:13 AM, John Hodrien wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Les Mikesell wrote:
CentOS would likely only be used as a desktop OS by people who also run
servers and like everything to be the same. They all assemble approximately
the same set of upstream packages, though, so it is possible
As Rober puts it, sometimes is better to keep Things...stable and reliable
rather than in the bleeding edge... makes perfect sense.
Robert Heller 01/19/11 10:43 AM
At Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:13:41 + (GMT) CentOS mailing list wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Les Mikesell wrote:
CentOS
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Les Mikesell wrote:
That's not true for desktop applications and environments. If you don't
have something current you are missing the improvements that many
thousands of man-hours of work have made.
But I guess that's the bit I don't /always/ buy into. In the
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:27 PM, John Hodrien j.h.hodr...@leeds.ac.uk wrote:
And for every bit of juiciness you think you're getting with an upgrade,
you're getting the disruption of a reinstall or an upgrade, and seemingly for
everything that's improved there's a bug or a quirk to match. I
Les Mikesell wrote:
On 1/19/2011 9:13 AM, John Hodrien wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Les Mikesell wrote:
CentOS would likely only be used as a desktop OS by people who also run
servers and like everything to be the same. They all assemble
approximately the same set of upstream packages,
On 1/19/2011 10:43 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
The difference is that open source server software has been 'feature
complete' for ages and the standards processes that change client/server
interactions are very, very slow - so outdated versions of server
software is not a problem as long as
2011/1/19 Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com
On 1/19/2011 10:43 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
The difference is that open source server software has been 'feature
complete' for ages and the standards processes that change client/server
interactions are very, very slow - so outdated
Les Mikesell wrote:
On 1/19/2011 10:43 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
The difference is that open source server software has been 'feature
complete' for ages and the standards processes that change
client/server interactions are very, very slow - so outdated versions
of server
software is not a
On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:55:19 pm Les Mikesell wrote:
And remember that firefox/openoffice are rare exceptions in RHEL/Centos
in that they have had major-version updates since the distro release,
even though they still are far behind 'current' now.
How is Firefox 3.6.13 not current
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Lisandro Grullon
lgrul...@citytech.cuny.edu wrote:
Dear Parshwa,
I tend to agree with you in some of your points. I migrated my systems from
ubuntu to centos and I could not be more happy. off course I have been force
to learn the new places where things are
On 1/19/2011 12:03 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
You are biased by having learned to live with the restrictions of old
So, what I like how something works is all old cruft, and I should get
with the program, and not have opinions on what I want and how I want it
to work?
That's not the point.
Maybe ask what sort of cellphones your family use. If they use and are
happy with old bw text ones (like me), then by all means pursue the
Linux quest. But if they are up-to-the-minute snappy ones, or if they
hang out for the latest, you are probably buying into headaches.
Remember, Linux is
Les Mikesell wrote:
On 1/19/2011 12:03 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
You are biased by having learned to live with the restrictions of old
So, what I like how something works is all old cruft, and I should get
with the program, and not have opinions on what I want and how I want it
to work?
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Les Mikesell wrote:
Sorry, but Outlook 2003 and 2007 are huge improvements over earlier
versions - and lacking tight integration between messaging and
calendar/scheduling has been one of the places where free software
really missed the boat.
But then that's partly
On 1/19/2011 1:51 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
That's not the point. You've had years to learn how to make a computer
work like a slightly smarter typewriter, and for a long time that was
about all they could do and everyone was happy with it. But that's not
what someone starting today
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/19/2011 9:13 AM, John Hodrien wrote:
I do think CentOS gets unreasonably knocked as a desktop OS. I definitely
don't use it on desktops *because* I run it on servers.
The difference is that open source server
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Parshwa Murdia b330...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Robert Heller hel...@deepsoft.com wrote:
i386 is for older technology PCs. The x86_64 is for newer PCs
How can I know that I have to use i386 or x86_64, my machine is not very new
On 01/18/11 6:59 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
There are other architectures, which a home PC is unlikely to have.
These include ARM (common in some fascinating netbooks and
smartphones) and sparc (no longer in production, Sun computers got
bought).
Wrong on the demise of the Sparc. Oracle
Wrong on the demise of the Sparc. Oracle just posted a massively
record breaking TPC-C benchmark using their new Sparc T3 servers,
something like 30 MILLION TPM.
Oracle has very publically committed to keeping SPARC strong, which is good
news for those of us believe in diversity in the
On 01/18/11 10:51 PM, Geoff Galitz wrote:
Wrong on the demise of the Sparc. Oracle just posted a massively
record breaking TPC-C benchmark using their new Sparc T3 servers,
something like 30 MILLION TPM.
Oracle has very publically committed to keeping SPARC strong, which is good
news for
On 16/01/2011 16:33, JohnS wrote:
On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 10:55 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
You can ignore md5 for now - they are just for verifying that the file
you've downloaded has not been modified.
You should not tell him to ignore it but tell him how to use it and what
it is for.
On 1/16/2011 3:45 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote:
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com
mailto:lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
If you still want CentOS and aren't in a big hurry, you might wait
for the
CentOS6 release which should be coming soon. CentOS 5.x
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Bowie Bailey bowie_bai...@buc.com wrote:
Not by the end of January. Probably not by the end of February. CentOS
is a volunteer project, so CentOS 6 will be ready when it's ready. If
you want to wait for CentOS 6, then keep an eye on either this list or
the
hello,
I am absolutely new, means from non-IT sector but have attraction (developed
recently) towards linux and have chosen the centos distro for the
installation as an OS in my home PC for personal use. I went to the page:
http://isoredirect.centos.org/centos/5/isos/i386/
But don't understand
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Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:52
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Subject: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner
hello,
I am absolutely new, means from non-IT sector
On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 15:51 +0100, Parshwa Murdia wrote:
hello,
I am absolutely new, means from non-IT sector but have attraction
(developed recently) towards linux and have chosen the centos distro
for the installation as an OS in my home PC for personal use. I went
to the page:
] Troubles for an non-IT beginner
hello,
I am absolutely new, means from non-IT sector but have
attraction (developed
recently) towards linux and have chosen the centos distro
for the installation as an OS in my home PC for personal use.
I went to the page:
http
On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 10:55 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
You can ignore md5 for now - they are just for verifying that the file
you've downloaded has not been modified.
You should not tell him to ignore it but tell him how to use it and what
it is for.
md5sum my.iso Validate the ISO
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Robert Heller hel...@deepsoft.com wrote:
i386 is for older technology PCs. The x86_64 is for newer PCs
How can I know that I have to use i386 or x86_64, my machine is not very new
though.
The x86_64 release takes two DVDs, but the second DVD just has
How can I know that I have to use i386 or x86_64, my machine is not very
new though
Do some research on your computer - who makes it, what model number, what
cpu, how much ram?
i386 is 32bit, x86_64 is 64 bit. If you have 4 gigs of ram or more, you'll
likely want the 64bit.
On 01/16/2011 12:31 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote:
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Robert Heller hel...@deepsoft.com
mailto:hel...@deepsoft.com wrote:
i386 is for older technology PCs. The x86_64 is for newer PCs
How can I know that I have to use i386 or x86_64, my machine is not very
At Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:31:04 +0100 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
wrote:
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Robert Heller hel...@deepsoft.com wrote:
i386 is for older technology PCs. The x86_64 is for newer PCs
How can I know that I have to use i386 or x86_64, my machine is
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Robert Heller hel...@deepsoft.com wrote:
How can I know that I have to use i386 or x86_64, my machine is not very
new
though.
How old is it?
It is some two years old and I guess after seeing the things that it could
be 32 bit which is in requirement.
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Digimer li...@alteeve.com wrote:
If your computer has a 64-bit CPU then you can use x86_64. This makes it
easier to access memory above 3GB, and many new applications are now
available in 64-bit. If your CPU is older, it may only support 32-bit.
In this case,
On 01/16/11 10:40 AM, Parshwa Murdia wrote:
CentOS-5.5-i386-LiveCD-Release2.iso
http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/centos/5.5/isos/i386/CentOS-5.5-i386-LiveCD-Release2.iso
is having complete OS 5.5 for 32 bit, but where could be obtained the
torrent link for this particular file?
the LiveCD does not
At Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:40:10 +0100 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
wrote:
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Robert Heller hel...@deepsoft.com wrote:
How can I know that I have to use i386 or x86_64, my machine is not very
new
though.
How old is it?
It is some two
At Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:43:55 +0100 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
wrote:
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Digimer li...@alteeve.com wrote:
If your computer has a 64-bit CPU then you can use x86_64. This makes it
easier to access memory above 3GB, and many new applications are
On 01/16/2011 01:43 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote:
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Digimer li...@alteeve.com
mailto:li...@alteeve.com wrote:
If your computer has a 64-bit CPU then you can use x86_64. This makes it
easier to access memory above 3GB, and many new applications are now
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Digimer li...@alteeve.com wrote:
I'd have to search through the CentOS mirror list to find it. Given the
geographic spread of the mirrors though, you would be best served to
search yourself for one near you.
Ok.
By all means, try CentOS, but if you run
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:03 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote:
the LiveCD does not have the installer, its more of a demo.
the 7 CDs are the complete system, but you can install with just the
first one by choosing the minimal packages, and then use yum to install
other components.
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:03 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote:
the LiveCD does not have the installer, its more of a demo.
But then what's the utility of that live CD?
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On 01/16/2011 02:35 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote:
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Digimer li...@alteeve.com
mailto:li...@alteeve.com wrote:
I'd have to search through the CentOS mirror list to find it. Given the
geographic spread of the mirrors though, you would be best served to
On 17/01/2011, at 7:43 AM, Parshwa Murdia wrote:
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Digimer li...@alteeve.com wrote:
If you are completely new to Linux, may I suggest you start with Fedora
or Ubuntu? CentOS is a wonderful distrobution, but it is aimed at
somewhat more advanced used. It is
On 17/01/2011, at 8:38 AM, Parshwa Murdia wrote:
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:03 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote:
the LiveCD does not have the installer, its more of a demo.
But then what's the utility of that live CD?
It doesn't need to be installed onto the hard-disk, so it
On 1/16/11 1:32 PM, Digimer wrote:
As for distro stability, it is true that Fedora/Ubuntu is not *as*
stable as CentOS, but I use Fedora for my daily use laptop (I'm a
sysadmin/programmer) and I've never had a major issue. By all means, try
CentOS, but if you run into problems, please give
At Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:37:29 +0100 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
wrote:
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:03 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote:
the LiveCD does not have the installer, its more of a demo.
the 7 CDs are the complete system, but you can install with just the
At Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:47:33 -0500 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
wrote:
On 01/16/2011 02:35 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote:
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Digimer li...@alteeve.com
mailto:li...@alteeve.com wrote:
I'd have to search through the CentOS mirror list to find it.
At Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:38:03 +0100 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
wrote:
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:03 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote:
the LiveCD does not have the installer, its more of a demo.
But then what's the utility of that live CD?
It is good for:
1)
Parshwa Murdia wrote:
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:03 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com
mailto:pie...@hogranch.com wrote:
the LiveCD does not have the installer, its more of a demo.
But then what's the utility of that live CD?
It's meant to be used to test if the distro likes your
On 1/16/11 12:43 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote:
Fedora and Ubuntu doesn't have stability and for all the family members, once
they are familiar with, they should work at that but Fedora expires soon
(searched at net), so for stability and all factors, Cent OS would be good, i
Guess so! It could be
On 01/16/2011 03:21 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
On 1/16/11 12:43 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote:
Fedora and Ubuntu doesn't have stability and for all the family members, once
they are familiar with, they should work at that but Fedora expires soon
(searched at net), so for stability and all factors,
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Digimer li...@alteeve.com wrote:
The kernel is, if I recall correctly, 2.6.18 that has only been patched
to fix bugs and security features. The modern kernel is 2.6.37, and a
*lot* of hardware has come along in the years in between. For example,
it's unlikely
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