Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
On Tue, 13 May 2003, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: What happened to the license FAQ there was talk about a while ago? you mean http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html ? Yes, that's what I meant. Except the specific FAQ entry I am missing is the one

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Tue, 13 May 2003, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: On Tue, 13 May 2003, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: The GPL nuts have taken over the word free, just like certain political views are using the words free and freedom to mean the way we like it. What happened to the license FAQ there was talk

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Noel J. Bergman wrote, On 13/05/2003 22.24: ... In 1992, when GNU was nearly complete, Linus Torvalds released a free program that fit the last major gap. You'd think that Stallman's ego wouldn't require him to marginalize Torvald's work to boost his own. And given what he thinks about the

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:13 AM +0200 Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And given what he thinks about the publicity cause in the Apache License, that makes it incompatible with GNU, it's really amusing. At an academic workshop I was at last weekend on open source, someone brought

Hackathon at OSCON?

2003-05-14 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
I'm not entirely sure party@ is the place for this since it's not quite a 'party,' but I've heard a rumor (from Duncan) that O'Reilly is hoping to provide space at OSCON for interested parties to hold a hackathon for two days (Sunday and Monday) before the actual conference in July. I don't

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Stephen McConnell
David N. Welton wrote: Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I wonder is how many of those authors/copyright-holders have actually read the GPL and understand what it really means. -- justin Probably not the details, but on the other hand, the concept of the GPL is clever, and

RE: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Sander Striker
From: David N. Welton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:35 AM Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I wonder is how many of those authors/copyright-holders have actually read the GPL and understand what it really means. -- justin Probably not the

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
Uhh, Licensing discussion breaks out on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Film at Eleven. Everything in this article is old news, rehashed many times to death in public places like LKML or /. There is not a single new word in it. So please let it rest. It is IMHO freedom when every software author can choose

RE: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 22:24, Noel J. Bergman wrote: What is certainly somewhat 'amusing' to us, in the same way Iraq's minister of information's statements were 'amusing', aren't exactly veiled in mystery. Well now ... that's certainly a unique view of Richard Stallman. :-) Comical

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
On Wed, 2003-05-14 at 09:35, David N. Welton wrote: Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I wonder is how many of those authors/copyright-holders have actually read the GPL and understand what it really means. -- justin Probably not the details, but on the other hand, the

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread David N. Welton
Sander Striker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From the other side of things, GPL'ed libraries have also been a Free Software Business success story (for example: sleepycat, Qt). SleepyCat?? http://www.sleepycat.com/docs/sleepycat/license.html That's no GPL. No, but the effect is similar: *

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Andrew Savory
Hi, On Wed, 14 May 2003, Stephen McConnell wrote: 1. open-source is free and that is a problem for department managers because this means they loose budget Fair comment up to a point - but there are vendors of open source software out there, so there are ways around this (although

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
David N. Welton wrote, On 14/05/2003 9.35: Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I wonder is how many of those authors/copyright-holders have actually read the GPL and understand what it really means. -- justin Probably not the details, but on the other hand, the concept of the GPL is

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Stephen McConnell
Andrew Savory wrote: Hi, On Wed, 14 May 2003, Stephen McConnell wrote: 1. open-source is free and that is a problem for department managers because this means they loose budget Fair comment up to a point - but there are vendors of open source software out there, so there are ways around

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Jeff Trawick
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: What I wonder is how many of those authors/copyright-holders have actually read the GPL and understand what it really means. -- justin Bingo. Herd mentality. Not to diss the GPL itself for that reason. I would diss the GPL for being hard for people to determine

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Santiago Gala
Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On Tue, 13 May 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote: I just mailed him that he shouldn't waste my time.. What a major idiot.. That is a bit rash I think. The guy makes a valid point; and one which resonates unbelivably well with managers, policy makers, politicians and

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
No BSD code can compete with Proprietary code based on BSD code. As it is BSD and then some. And therefore better. In reality this does not playout that well (due to maintenance, integration and other biz./reality costs) But once you have to explain that - you've lost the oneline