Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
Qtopia is great and make FR usable. But the great thing that is missing is a WebBrowser. Also : - can't make gprs work - no gps but can we expect this to change with 4.4 ? For me, the greater is actually FSO... JW a écrit : go to the DISTRIBUTIONS page on the wiki follow the link to the QTOPIA / Trolltech image JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network over USB flaky ? - Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
I guess it's pretty flaky :( But still I see some (slow) progress ;) It really could be related to the USB ports on your PC .. if for some reason your PC is not happy with the power-state changes demanded by the Freerunner, then it will reset the USB hard layer, and this has the effect that your internal USB GUID changes, confusing the usb- ethernet driver, and thus giving you inconsistent services. If its at all possible, try running some sort of USB diagnostic app on your PC while this is all going on or check your log files for USB-related messages in the meantime .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Why you don't crack your FR?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tooked from the thead 2008 WTF: As it seems they have the contrary. They have a leader which seems to dictate everything without accepting ideas from the developers or the community. - The problem is some features the community really longs for are already in the code but all disabled (and they will stay disabled) because the leader/design department decides that the community does not need them. You can't enable them without forking and building your own application. And that is the problem. - In that trad there was a lot email like this. Now I was thinking: IPhone has a lot of limitation, people took it, opened it and they unlocked it. Doing this the owner loose the warranty, and lose the possibility to make any upgrade. And them are happy so! And with some thicks they can also to install their own applications. A miracle. Now I am asking. Why you don't crack you FR? With IPhone you risk to lose your warranty, with FR you will only receive a thank you. Openmoko is so happy if you break you FR, if you install unofficial application, if you make forks. In every project there is an organization. A open source project doesn't mean to be democratic. An example: a very known person, Mr. Mark Shuttleworth, is called “benevolent dictator for life”. Why? Because i drive the develop, with some chooses, that can happen to don't be nice. But he do. Steve, Sean, etc are DICTATORS. They are a project and they are following their idea. Why this dictators are benevolend? Because they give us the possibility to choose. They give us the source code and the possibility to become we too dictators (benevolent). Than the users will choose who will survive. So, please, stop to cry if something is not how you like. No one promised you that it will be a democratic process. But we are free to change the card on the table! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFInpPfSIAU/I6SkT0RAjgBAJ0XJNtdaFbpG+BnbwOzmGDWqSmnHACgr+Ar cUDUngJRvHQjkVhDzMQjVoc= =pPSL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
I think managing expectations is the crucial part...even slashdot had a pretty lukewarm response to the FR, going by the comments. Most of the discussion I've seen around the web seems to focus on the preliminary state of the software rather than then openness of the phone. For sure progress will be made, but for sure we can't make progress if we don't confront the problems and communicate about them. I'm with you on the 'go buy an iPhone' response being counter-productive. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08?
Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Olivier Berger wrote: And having : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Keyboard_Toggle#Reactivating_the_keyboard_toggle_under_ASU up-to-date would help, I guess. ... if this is what it's about... I'm not sure : ASU vs. 2008.8... Anyway, might help ? You're correct the wiki is out-of-date, you can now simply opkg install illume-config to give you the keyboard button (and the illume configuration button), I've updated the wiki to reflect this. Thanks alot. Updated ticket https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1654 then. Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
2008.8 Goes to sleep too fast!
Hi, I have a problem, my FreeRunner goes to sleep to fast when I'm running the 2008.8 release. If I connect it to the USB socket of my computer I can hardly manage to login via SSH before it goes into hibernation, quite unuseful. How do I disable/configure the auto-hibernate feature? Best regards Anton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network over USB flaky ? - Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I kept trying, rebooted, tested, again, again, unplugged USB, | replugged... and TADA, at some point it magically worked ! | | I've typed-in a few commands, got networking (opkg update completed), | did a few more things... and ... it's now gone :( | | # ping 192.168.0.202 | PING 192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202) 56(84) bytes of data. | From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable | From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable | From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable | | no kernel message on desktop side : usb not unplugged... | | I guess it's pretty flaky :( But still I see some (slow) progress ;) | | I guess screen will be my friend. I would first guess this is simply the ifconfig to set Freerunner-side IP getting messed with. I really did not see flakiness of Ethernet over USB and I understood there is new scheme for managing IP allocation in this new rootfs. If anyone with a debug board sees this behaviour, just logging in on the debug serial console and doing ifconfig usb0 / route - -n would clear it up if it is that. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkieoFEACgkQOjLpvpq7dMokCgCfQuBWnoEa56g0Qw2O2KZImRrC +K4An3dP5fzVn5kvsELnycT6IDQSBfhZ =R/wR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.8 Goes to sleep too fast!
On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 09:32 +0200, Anton Persson wrote: Hi, I have a problem, my FreeRunner goes to sleep to fast when I'm running the 2008.8 release. If I connect it to the USB socket of my computer I can hardly manage to login via SSH before it goes into hibernation, quite unuseful. How do I disable/configure the auto-hibernate feature? Go to Home. Press the Settings icon...wait. On the upcoming screen there is an option suspend. Press it until it displays off. Norbert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.8 Goes to sleep too fast!
Check the settings under suspend, maybe choose off if you want to do some ssh'ing. -Nick Anton Persson wrote: Hi, I have a problem, my FreeRunner goes to sleep to fast when I'm running the 2008.8 release. If I connect it to the USB socket of my computer I can hardly manage to login via SSH before it goes into hibernation, quite unuseful. How do I disable/configure the auto-hibernate feature? Best regards Anton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 2008 WTF??
2008-08-09 klockan 20:02 -0700, steve: If you want a ready to use phone you can always download the Qtopia distrubtion onto your freerunner and get A perfectly great ready to use phone. Then you can wait while 2008.8 matures and then download it when It is end user ready. I agree but think you're doing it wrong. Look at the actual text at http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner - you really should ship with Qtopia or emphasize that there's a lot of work to be done to be able to use the phone reliably. Two out of four links on the start page doesn't mention that the phone isn't ready for the average phone user. ABC7 mentions that this phone is more suitable to programmers, Boing boing's third comment says that the software isn't mature. I can't and won't argue with anyone being mad about the phone not meeting their expectations - I believe OpenMoko's official web site does a pretty good job on bringing those false expectations to potential customers. Until the OM team fixes this, I'll quietly stand by while people complain about this wonderful product (I love it, I knew what I bought but that wasn't based on information from openmoko.com). / Fredrik Wendt, a happy customer signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB keyboards silent in terminal (FSO)
Von: Fredrik Wendt I bought a USB gender changer (5€) and today I've played with it to see what the smartphone's capable of. I really only have one goal and that is to avoid having to buy a BT keyboard for faster input in the terminal. I've been able to connect two keyboards, they light up but doesn't work in the terminal (FSO). Is there something I can do to enable input from these external devices? snip several lines Do you want to use a USB keyboard with your FR? I found in the community ML following answer, but I have not tested though... In [1] Michael Sheldon said: -- I am, it's pretty simple, just run: echo host /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode echo 1 /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode This'll put the Freerunner in to powered USB host mode, then just plug in the keyboard and it'll work. Personally I've made a .desktop file to switch into and out of host mode. To switch back to unpowered device mode just run: echo device /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode echo 0 /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode - HTH -homyx [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/025729.html -- for Windows problems reboot for Linux problems be root ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS / Wifi
Mike Baroukh, 2008-08-10 00:52:11 +0200 : But I'm asking this : When using wifi or usb, I don't need a proxy. When using GPRS, I need a proxy. I will not re-configure anything each time. Does somebody know if there is a solution ? Putting scripts into /etc/network/if-up.d would probably work. for each connection, there would be parameters : - ip (static or dhcp) This should be configured in /etc/network/interfaces - nameserver - gateway This info can come from the DHCP server, the PPP remote end, or static in /etc/network/interfaces again. - proxy (http / https / ftp ...) - proxy type (transparent or not) - user/password for proxy - may be max upload/download bandwith - may be firewall rules Scripts are your friends there :-) Last : may be it could connect to internet transparently if needed by an application. At least on Debian, there's a diald package that does exactly this. I guess it could be ported to Openmoko. Roland. -- Roland Mas M-x execute-extended-command ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB keyboards silent in terminal (FSO)
sön 2008-08-10 klockan 10:50 +0200 skrev Peter Trapp: Von: Fredrik Wendt Do you want to use a USB keyboard with your FR? Yes. I found in the community ML following answer, but I have not tested though... snip HTH Well, that's the first basic step (which I did of course) - to setup the FR in host mode but that basic step doesn't make HID keyboards/devices work in X which is what I'm after. Thanks anyway. :) / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kernel module request: MASQuerade on FR
Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hi. | | I want to use the FreeRunner as a GPRS modem for my laptop. I can | successfully setup SNAT, but MASQUERADE would be even better (since the | GPRS connection is rather flaky and SNAT drops/looses track of the | laptop's connections when ppp0 goes down). | | Is this completely out of scope? Should I ask for this in Trac? This should already exist, I find -- CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_MASQUERADE=m Is there something else needed in the config? iptables said it didn't recognize match/rule/target but SNAT worked with the same arguments. Can't get my FreeRunner to boot now (completely dead) so I can't give you the exact error message. I will as soon as my FreeRunner comes back to life again. :/ The command I used would've been 'iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.200 -j MASQUERADE ' 'iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.200 -j SNAT --to-source 83.84.85.68' however did work. / Fredrik Wendt signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB keyboards silent in terminal (FSO)
Hi, Fredrik Wendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been able to connect two keyboards, they light up but doesn't work in the terminal (FSO). Is there something I can do to enable input from these external devices? Does it work outside X? What does lsof | grep glamo print? What appears to dmesg when you plug the keyboard in? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:02:33 -0400 Jeff Davis basically said that it's wrong to ask people to buy another phone if they're unhappy with the FreeRunner, no matter if they used bad language, weren't constructive in any way: [snip] In part (or principle) I agree to what you're saying. I started writing a response mostly saying that one needs to have realistic expectations, and that media, news and the blogosphere isn't that reliable - which seems to be very true in this particular case. However, all of what I base my point of view on is that you need to get information as close to the source as possible (to be able to get realistic expectations - otherwise you haven't made your homework and you can't blame someone else for that), and there's one fundamental issue here: The web shop doesn't state that the phone isn't ready for prime time yet. This is bad. So bad that I'll just appologize and agree that I should start spamming OM until they fix this. Obviously the confusions it makes draws energy away from the goals - freeing phones. Thanks, Fredrik Wendt signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
bye bye 2008.8, you wont be missed :(
I am afraid I am going to have to delete 2008.8 and forget it ever existed. Despite very little of it working, I was giving it a go but I just had a bug I raised on the keyboard closed with works for me saying in effect they are only willing to work on the existing keyboard and its working as designed, so there isnt a problem and no changes/new keyboard alternatives are needed. Basicly learn to use it as is, as this is all we are getting with 2008.8 As 2008.8 looks like it was an interim release until FSO is ready, developers for the FR might like to look at the reasons this bug (#1778) was closed and then consider bringing the FSO to a usable state faster. It already has more functionality than 2008.8 as released. To me its looking like 2008.8 is still born and wont be going anywhere fast, by the intention of the designers. disappointed :( BillK -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB keyboards silent in terminal (FSO)
sön 2008-08-10 klockan 13:00 +0300 skrev Timo Juhani Lindfors: Hi, Fredrik Wendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been able to connect two keyboards, they light up but doesn't work in the terminal (FSO). Is there something I can do to enable input from these external devices? Does it work outside X? Yes. As stated in my mail, I used it in the console without problems. What does lsof | grep glamo print? What appears to dmesg when you plug the keyboard in? Can't tell, my phone's completely dead after it drained the battery tonight. I'm waiting for support@ to help me get it to boot again. :( / Fredrik Wendt signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS / Wifi
Putting scripts into /etc/network/if-up.d would probably work. Not so easy : - you may have 2 places where the same interface has different parameters (wifi at home and wifi at work ...). So you can't just add [pre|post]-up parameters in /etc/network/interface. - Not so easy to configure tangogps, maemo, wget, mail client, ... Thats why I think that place parameters should be part of the framework and not just scripting. Application then could be compiled for the framework and using shared informations on how to connect. Finally, connection parameters should not be part of the system. They are part of my profiles = they don't ahve to be in /etc/network/interface. Personnaly, to connect wifi, I prefer to use a script like INTERFACE=eth0 ifconfig $INTERFACE up iwconfig $INTERFACE essid myessid iwconfig $INTERFACE mode managed iwconfig $INTERFACE channel 7 iwconfig $INTERFACE key open my wep key udhcpc -i eth0 Roland Mas a écrit : Mike Baroukh, 2008-08-10 00:52:11 +0200 : But I'm asking this : When using wifi or usb, I don't need a proxy. When using GPRS, I need a proxy. I will not re-configure anything each time. Does somebody know if there is a solution ? Putting scripts into /etc/network/if-up.d would probably work. for each connection, there would be parameters : - ip (static or dhcp) This should be configured in /etc/network/interfaces - nameserver - gateway This info can come from the DHCP server, the PPP remote end, or static in /etc/network/interfaces again. - proxy (http / https / ftp ...) - proxy type (transparent or not) - user/password for proxy - may be max upload/download bandwith - may be firewall rules Scripts are your friends there :-) Last : may be it could connect to internet transparently if needed by an application. At least on Debian, there's a diald package that does exactly this. I guess it could be ported to Openmoko. Roland. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS / Wifi
Mike Baroukh, 2008-08-10 12:43:49 +0200 : Putting scripts into /etc/network/if-up.d would probably work. Not so easy : - you may have 2 places where the same interface has different parameters (wifi at home and wifi at work ...). So you can't just add [pre|post]-up parameters in /etc/network/interface. Yes you can. I do that on my laptop already: the scripts do the detection of what Wifi access points are in the vicinity, and change various parameters accordingly (WEP key, HTTP proxy, and I even used to change the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list at some point). - Not so easy to configure tangogps, maemo, wget, mail client, ... Because they use different configuration schemes, I guess. As for Tangogps, I think you can already change the configuration with gconftool-2. As for the others, I don't know. Thats why I think that place parameters should be part of the framework and not just scripting. Application then could be compiled for the framework and using shared informations on how to connect. That looks like overkill to me. Why add more complexity to the framework when you already have a $http_proxy environment variable? Finally, connection parameters should not be part of the system. They are part of my profiles = they don't ahve to be in /etc/network/interface. And on that point, I wholeheartedly disagree. Down that way lies madness, and application-specific parameters, and a whole mess of synchronisation problems and hard-to-debug stuff. Personnaly, to connect wifi, I prefer to use a script like INTERFACE=eth0 ifconfig $INTERFACE up iwconfig $INTERFACE essid myessid iwconfig $INTERFACE mode managed iwconfig $INTERFACE channel 7 iwconfig $INTERFACE key open my wep key udhcpc -i eth0 I prefer using just ifup eth1 and have pre/post scripts in /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/network/*.d, but that's a matter of taste. Roland. -- Roland Mas - Ogenki desuka, yau de poêle ? - Genki desu, ture en zinc. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bye bye 2008.8, you wont be missed :(
William Kenworthy wrote: I am afraid I am going to have to delete 2008.8 and forget it ever existed. Despite very little of it working, I was giving it a go but I just had a bug I raised on the keyboard closed with works for me saying in effect they are only willing to work on the existing keyboard and its working as designed, so there isnt a problem and no changes/new keyboard alternatives are needed. Well, that was not exactly what was said, but I understand your disappointment. And I'm desperately trying not to draw the same conclusions. The keyboard works for me (technically), but it's FAR FROM living up to my expectations. It's nice - but only for certain applications and for some it really sucks. /Peter ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FR and debian, seems it's progressing
Reading planet debian today I came across this post/blog [1] by Joachim Breiner where he says they are packaging fso in debian: --- citation --- Here at DebConf 8 in Argentinia, I’m working on getting Debian to work on the OpenMoko Freerunner Smartphone. We are progressing quite nicely, soon having the same features as the official freesmartphone.org image. See the pkg-fso wiki [2] page for more on that. ... --- [1] https://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/300-Xmonad-on-my-mobile-phone.html [2] http://wiki.debian.org/pkg-fso I'm looking forward to it, specially as my FR should be here any time... :-) Marcos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
What's the latest stable u-boot image for FreeRunner?
Hi there, I just got one FreeRunner and want to flash its system to latest. In buildhost.openmoko.org, there are only u-boot image for gta01 and it was built on Aug, 07. So I wanna ask where can I find u-boot binary for gta02? Thanks for any suggestion, -- Programming is Art ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
packaking Xglamo for debian?
Hi, after reading http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian I noticed that xorg was used and there was only a short chapter on how you can copy Xglamo to /usr/bin. Do both work? Does Xglamo offer some advantages over xorg? If yes, would it be appropriate to package it to http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/ as it currently does not seem to be there? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Using a Nokia N95 - features I'd love to see.
Hi there, I visited one of my customers yesterday - he has just got an upgrade to a Nokia N95 and wanted it set up to transfer his photos to his laptop. Many aspects of using the phone reminded me why I hate mobile phones. Once a mail account has been added there is no way to change its name - I initially spelled aol email in small letters, so in order to make its title neat on the phone's homescreen (AOL Email) I had to delete the account completely and recreate it. I bought the Freerunner so that I can fix stuff like this by editing a text file. The N95 fails to create a mail account half the time you enter the details, falling silently back to the mailboxes screen without an entry for the new account you just tried to setup. Orange, my customer's mobile phone provider, have installed a utility to upload your photos to your blog account on their website, and every time you take a photo it comes up with an annoying menu asking if you want to do so. As free software zealots you may be interested to read that whilst Googling on how to disable this menu I came across a number of forum posts and news articles complaining how the UK providers Orange O2 have removed the N95's VoIP application from their software builds, for obvious reasons. I never quite managed to work out how to remove the Orange Blog Gallery software completely, as it's not shown in the phone's application manager. You are able to remove the annoying pop-up menu, however, by choosing the upload option, agreeing to the long and small-printed terms-of-use and then cancelling out of the operation. Only after that is there an option present, so you're not able to remove this menu if you refuse to accept the terms of use for their software. I find this sort of non- obvious behaviour - for me it is logical to ask do you wish to disable the feature? when I decline an agreement - the ideal way to piss me off. Another reminder of why I hate mobile phones was the connection options. I told the phone always to get mail by 3G (and always to ignore the user's home wireless network and any others) because the choice was to set one specific network or to ask every time which network to use. The connection options included Orange Internet and a confusing array of about half a dozen other Orange ... options. Previous mobile phones of mine have had a similar number of options included by O2 - O2 Web And Walk, O2 Mobile Web, O2 GPRS, and so on. This completely baffles me, as I would expect only one option for internet over mobile phone networks (and another for wifi). Why so many? I could surely work out what is going on if I spent enough time at it, but I am reluctant to delete all the apparently-spurious options without knowing what they're for, and my technically- challenged customer should not reasonably be expected to select the right one time after time. Anyway, on to the stuff that is REALLY COOL about this phone. I apologise if this is old hat to everyone else, but for me (even after I discovered the N95 model is at least 9 months old) it was an eye- opener into what modern mobile phones do these days. Firstly under wifi is an option to wake up the WLAN module every X minutes and scan for networks. As far as I understand the N95's configuration, this isn't presently as useful as it ought to be. But on an Openmoko device we could surely configure wifi to automatically be used for services whenever available. The waking of the wifi module (and then, presumably, putting it back to sleep) allows full wifi versatility, however, without the battery consumption of having it on all the time. Secondly, mail settings also have an option to connect every XX minutes, with the option to only do so on home phone networks (to avoid roaming charges). I have been wishing for this since getting my Sony Ericsson P990i, which requires a manual check of my IMAP accounts. Obviously one only uses a manual email check when one is waiting on a particularly important or urgent message, and one tends only to do this on a mobile phone when one wants to check quickly. For me, at least, this isn't a daily occurrence, so my P990i has to spend ages synchronising the last 3 weeks' worth of messages across GPRS before its able to tell me whether the important message has arrived (or not) yet. But on the N95 you're alerted immediately (checks can be scheduled every 5 minutes) if a new email has come in - it doesn't need push technology for this to be as seamless as SMS alerts, as long as you have an unlimited data plan. I guess my big question is whether this is what the dbus stuff (that Openmoko are developing) is all about? A mail program needs to be able to check to see if any usable wifi networks are available and to wake GPRS (and tell it to dial) if not. Obviously if one has to call `modprobe` and `iwscan` then the process is a bit
Re: Using a Nokia N95 - features I'd love to see.
On 14:30:19 2008-08-10 Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, I visited one of my customers yesterday - he has just got an upgrade to a Nokia N95 and wanted it set up to transfer his photos to his laptop. Many aspects of using the phone reminded me why I hate mobile phones. Once a mail account has been added there is no way to change its name - I initially spelled aol email in small letters, so in order to make its title neat on the phone's homescreen (AOL Email) I had to delete the account completely and recreate it. I bought the Freerunner so that I can fix stuff like this by editing a text file. The N95 fails to create a mail account half the time you enter the details, falling silently back to the mailboxes screen without an entry for the new account you just tried to setup. Orange, my customer's mobile phone provider, have installed a utility to upload your photos to your blog account on their website, and every time you take a photo it comes up with an annoying menu asking if you want to do so. As free software zealots you may be interested to read that whilst Googling on how to disable this menu I came across a number of forum posts and news articles complaining how the UK providers Orange O2 have removed the N95's VoIP application from their software builds, for obvious reasons. I never quite managed to work out how to remove the Orange Blog Gallery software completely, as it's not shown in the phone's application manager. You are able to remove the annoying pop-up menu, however, by choosing the upload option, agreeing to the long and small-printed terms-of-use and then cancelling out of the operation. Only after that is there an option present, so you're not able to remove this menu if you refuse to accept the terms of use for their software. I find this sort of non- obvious behaviour - for me it is logical to ask do you wish to disable the feature? when I decline an agreement - the ideal way to piss me off. Another reminder of why I hate mobile phones was the connection options. I told the phone always to get mail by 3G (and always to ignore the user's home wireless network and any others) because the choice was to set one specific network or to ask every time which network to use. The connection options included Orange Internet and a confusing array of about half a dozen other Orange ... options. Previous mobile phones of mine have had a similar number of options included by O2 - O2 Web And Walk, O2 Mobile Web, O2 GPRS, and so on. This completely baffles me, as I would expect only one option for internet over mobile phone networks (and another for wifi). Why so many? I could surely work out what is going on if I spent enough time at it, but I am reluctant to delete all the apparently-spurious options without knowing what they're for, and my technically- challenged customer should not reasonably be expected to select the right one time after time. Anyway, on to the stuff that is REALLY COOL about this phone. I apologise if this is old hat to everyone else, but for me (even after I discovered the N95 model is at least 9 months old) it was an eye- opener into what modern mobile phones do these days. Firstly under wifi is an option to wake up the WLAN module every X minutes and scan for networks. As far as I understand the N95's configuration, this isn't presently as useful as it ought to be. But on an Openmoko device we could surely configure wifi to automatically be used for services whenever available. The waking of the wifi module (and then, presumably, putting it back to sleep) allows full wifi versatility, however, without the battery consumption of having it on all the time. Secondly, mail settings also have an option to connect every XX minutes, with the option to only do so on home phone networks (to avoid roaming charges). I have been wishing for this since getting my Sony Ericsson P990i, which requires a manual check of my IMAP accounts. Obviously one only uses a manual email check when one is waiting on a particularly important or urgent message, and one tends only to do this on a mobile phone when one wants to check quickly. For me, at least, this isn't a daily occurrence, so my P990i has to spend ages synchronising the last 3 weeks' worth of messages across GPRS before its able to tell me whether the important message has arrived (or not) yet. But on the N95 you're alerted immediately (checks can be scheduled every 5 minutes) if a new email has come in - it doesn't need push technology for this to be as seamless as SMS alerts, as long as you have an unlimited data plan. I guess my big question is whether this is what the dbus stuff (that Openmoko are developing) is all about? A mail program needs to be able to check to see if any usable wifi networks are available and to wake GPRS (and tell it to dial) if not. Obviously if
Re: FR and debian, seems it's progressing
Marcos Mezo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- citation --- I’m working on getting Debian to work on the [..] Freerunner --- This is what I'm looking forward to. Something like this was what I always expected to have;). A great distro like debian just getting a GSM daemon that other apps could talk to. -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: packaking Xglamo for debian?
2008/8/10 Timo Juhani Lindfors [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does Xglamo offer some advantages over xorg? I guess it has some of the acceleration features that help to overcome the slowness of Glamo otherwise, if compared to pure framebuffer device. But couldn't Xglamo just be made into xf86-video-glamo kind of driver for Xorg? Is there any work on that already? If yes, would it be appropriate to package it to http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/ as it currently does not seem to be there? Most probably yes. There's dput information on the pkg-fso page too. It would seem like FSO:s mailing lists are used so if someone is about to do the packaging, it's probably best to announce it there. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Upgrading on Qtopia
I hope that is ok. nope -- it is not actually -- leads to all kinds of problems just remove all those qtopia packages and reinstall /opt/QTopia from trolltech's opkg upgrade is safe as far as it doesn't install any *qtopia* packages which install also under /opt/Qtopia (which has to be changed by OM people in their distribution.) see https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1756#comment:5 for more information However when you do the opkg update opkg upgrade it seems to install a bunch of stuff we don't need like... qtopia-phone-x11* -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.8 Goes to sleep too fast!
You can alter the suspend time in Settings/Suspend The longest delay is either 60second or off. You can edit /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/expos/suspend.py It's pretty easy to figure out how to alter the 10,30,60 second suspend times. For instance change the occurance of 60 to 300 and you'll have the option to choose 5mins delay. You need to delete suspend.pyo in the same folder and restart xserver. Works, tested. Anton Persson wrote: Hi, I have a problem, my FreeRunner goes to sleep to fast when I'm running the 2008.8 release. If I connect it to the USB socket of my computer I can hardly manage to login via SSH before it goes into hibernation, quite unuseful. How do I disable/configure the auto-hibernate feature? Best regards Anton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08?
Hmm figured out why my above fix was only working on my asu build and not my om2008.8 need to install http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/illume_0.0+svnr196-r12_armv4t.ipk this version seems to let me use whatever keyboard i like, which is how it should be. hope it doesnt magically disappear . . Dirk Bergstrom-2 wrote: DooD wrote: The files you need to edit are under /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards I believe there is a Full-QWERTY.kbd in there, just backup the Default.kbd and replace it with the Full-QWERTY.kbd mv Default.kbd Defaultbackup.kbd mv Full-QWERTY.kbd Default.kbd /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart I tried this, but I still get the standard keyboard. Somewhere along the line I installed the illume package with the 'qwerty' icon. Maybe that has something to do with this? Also, I see this interesting comment in Default.kbd: # if the key out is in quotes - q for example, then this key is used for # typing words and can be part of a dictionary match, any other key when # pressed will end the dictionary match (u can disable dictionary # matching in # a layout by not having any outputs in quotes) So, that implies that if I can just get the system to recognize alternate kbd files, I can turn off dictionary matching, which would make me rather happy. Hmmm, waitaminnit, looking at the files in that directory, I don't think they control the standard 2008.08 keyboard. I'm talking about the one where you flick up/down to shift to other layouts. Sigh. I guess I'm still stuck with the irritating keyboard. What's it called? -- Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://otisbean.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/full-keyboard-for-Om-2008.08--tp681538p684042.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android
Correct! My guess is that once Google releases the source, Freerunner will be among the first non-partner platforms that Android runs on. sure? i expected the embeddedubuntu people to embrace the freerunner as first really available device -- but they still do their stuff for armv5 ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR and debian, seems it's progressing
I think Openmoko could take a leaf from the book of Debian. Their Stable/Unstable/Testing approach allows users to pick the build which suits their needs and allows the users, to manage their own expectations. Admittedly, stable releases take years, but they tend to be rock solid. mj Marcos Mezo wrote: Reading planet debian today I came across this post/blog [1] by Joachim Breiner where he says they are packaging fso in debian: --- citation --- Here at DebConf 8 in Argentinia, I’m working on getting Debian to work on the OpenMoko Freerunner Smartphone. We are progressing quite nicely, soon having the same features as the official freesmartphone.org image. See the pkg-fso wiki [2] page for more on that. ... --- [1] https://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/300-Xmonad-on-my-mobile-phone.html [2] http://wiki.debian.org/pkg-fso I'm looking forward to it, specially as my FR should be here any time... :-) Marcos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner for Sale
Pricing? And what about w/o ATT card? I have a phone-free E-Plus (german provider) here. with atat it will probably be the 850 variety -- so only limited use in germany (eplus uses 1800 _and_ 900, too) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS / Wifi
Not so easy : - you may have 2 places where the same interface has different parameters (wifi at home and wifi at work ...). So you can't just add you can do that in wpa_supplicant.conf. just add your different wifi-aps to the conf (it does wep and no enc, too) and let wpa_supplicant handle it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08?
GREAT! now we only need a method to switch between the keyboards and it would be even better. Thanks a lot! y On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:40 PM, DooD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm figured out why my above fix was only working on my asu build and not my om2008.8 need to install http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/illume_0.0+svnr196-r12_armv4t.ipk this version seems to let me use whatever keyboard i like, which is how it should be. hope it doesnt magically disappear . . Dirk Bergstrom-2 wrote: DooD wrote: The files you need to edit are under /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards I believe there is a Full-QWERTY.kbd in there, just backup the Default.kbd and replace it with the Full-QWERTY.kbd mv Default.kbd Defaultbackup.kbd mv Full-QWERTY.kbd Default.kbd /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart I tried this, but I still get the standard keyboard. Somewhere along the line I installed the illume package with the 'qwerty' icon. Maybe that has something to do with this? Also, I see this interesting comment in Default.kbd: # if the key out is in quotes - q for example, then this key is used for # typing words and can be part of a dictionary match, any other key when # pressed will end the dictionary match (u can disable dictionary # matching in # a layout by not having any outputs in quotes) So, that implies that if I can just get the system to recognize alternate kbd files, I can turn off dictionary matching, which would make me rather happy. Hmmm, waitaminnit, looking at the files in that directory, I don't think they control the standard 2008.08 keyboard. I'm talking about the one where you flick up/down to shift to other layouts. Sigh. I guess I'm still stuck with the irritating keyboard. What's it called? -- Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://otisbean.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/full-keyboard-for-Om-2008.08--tp681538p684042.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Moving my 2007.2 to SD to try 2008.8 with fallback solution
yochaigal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The key is to follow the wikis--- but make sure you format and fill the sd card from a linux box, not from the phone. do everything as root. also, make sure to update your u-boot so that it can handle fat and ext file systems. finally, be very careful in uploading the root filesystem -- -make sure you mount a .jffs2 (follow the wiki) on your linux box and then FROM that you should create a tarball --- -which you THEN and only THEN move over to the rootfs partition of the sd card. Otherwise some important dev nodes get lost in the process. wiki I used to start: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD Thanks for your indications, but my goal is not to install a *new* system on the SD, but to *transfer* the current one to the SD. I guess it may be done from the FR itself... but I'm afraid it's difficult to move things from the very live system you're running. To do that on a desktop system, I would boot to single user first... but what about on a FR ? Would you recommend a good procedure for moving my 2007.2 system to SD ? And would it run fine from SD too, once moved ? Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
But who would buy a $400 phone with just looking at pictures or reading a blog or something mentioning it, then going to the website (openmoko.com) and buying it. without checking the wiki or asking anyone that owns it.. openmoko.com doesn't give any proper information on anything other than the hardware... i personally wouldn't buy a phone without at least googling it to find out more information.. (NOT saying that openmoko doesn't need to have that notification of the software on the webshop, it should just like neo1973 had one) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Moving my 2007.2 to SD to try 2008.8 with fallback solution
I guess it may be done from the FR itself... but I'm afraid it's difficult to move things from the very live system you're running. i'd think the only thing to care about would be /var/. just as idea: rsync the whole of the fr to the sd card and diff after a while to see which parts changed. examine these files and see if you need to set something to default values. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
But who would buy a $400 phone with just looking at pictures or reading a iphone geeks :-) (ow, i said it) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
debugging qpe -- please help me to confirm
It seems that many issues are linked to qpe shipped with 2008.2 thus it would be great if people know how to get valuable debug information I didn't install famous 2008.2 yeat so I am asking someone to confirm that this works (it came from irc chat with lpotter): cp /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Log.conf ~/Settings/Trolltech and then you might enable some debug targets, /etc/init.d/qpe restart and see/dump logread into a file it should provide significant amount of information of what qpe is doing if that works on qpe -- craft a wiki page describing it or just confirm here and I will do that. -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What's up with Openmoko store?
So any updates steve? On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:02 AM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry I'm at Linux world, I'll met with Sean in Friday and discuss. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car charger to GTA02
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: steve wrote: Magic 47 ohm resistor will get you 1A. its on the wiki somewhere. Thanks... Should be that on the ID pin? We need a better search on the wiki Maybe also a small article with photos (as example) of a reworked charger (I figure that some opnemoko developers have already done that :P). Guys, I guess http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_charger may be the right place to add contents to. Btw, I've described a car charger of mine there. Regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bye bye 2008.8, you wont be missed :(
I agree that the keyboard is a big disappointment. After learning a few undocumented tricks (right to left for back space, and the left to right for accept word) it is a little better, but... if it weren't for the mailing list I still wouldn't know how to type anything but [A-Z]*... One of the flip down keyboard options (not sure what to call this) should definitely be the full qwerty keyboard (a.k.a. matchbox keyboard?). But to be fair the suspend resume is working great for phone and messages. Battery life is much improved. After a little tweaking I got tangogps installed and so I now have most of the base features I wanted going. So I'm actually really really really happy with this release and would like to say thanks to the openmoko team for doing such a great job. Just want to say to everone that was involved in all of the keyboard decision making that was so painful to read about on this list: I think you guys had some good ideas but were way too inflexible and this hurt the end product. Please try to be more flexible in the future. But thanks for all the hard work! I can't wait to get developing for this little monster! On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 7:31 AM, Peter Mogensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William Kenworthy wrote: I am afraid I am going to have to delete 2008.8 and forget it ever existed. Despite very little of it working, I was giving it a go but I just had a bug I raised on the keyboard closed with works for me saying in effect they are only willing to work on the existing keyboard and its working as designed, so there isnt a problem and no changes/new keyboard alternatives are needed. Well, that was not exactly what was said, but I understand your disappointment. And I'm desperately trying not to draw the same conclusions. The keyboard works for me (technically), but it's FAR FROM living up to my expectations. It's nice - but only for certain applications and for some it really sucks. /Peter ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Geoff Ruscoe Sigma Visions Computer Consulting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android
arne anka wrote: sure? i expected the embeddedubuntu people to embrace the freerunner as first really available device -- but they still do their stuff for armv5 There seems to be a lot of interest in running Android on other platforms (see the android-internals group[1] and this post[2]), although that's limited right now by the unavailability of much of the needed source. Assuming Google follows through on open sourcing everything--which may be a big if--I expect a group to form around porting Android to Freerunner pretty quickly. Jim 1 - http://groups.google.com/group/android-internals 2 - http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
networking issues
my resolv.conf is blank every time I boot up? I manually set it via ssh through the usb connection. sync. reboot the phone and its blank?? Is there any wifi application available that will detect and connect available networks? Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Where is it?
I used the spiffy new installer to install xterm. The install went without any errors. Where is it? Its not on the main page? Its listed in the uninstall list of the installer? Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Using openocd
Hi all, I was wondering, has anyone had any luck connecting their debug board (v3) to a neo1973? I followed all the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board_v3 (for linux) but I keep getting 'no valid jtag interface found'. But that doesn't make any sense because I can see the debug board from my laptop when i do 'lsusb'. Any ideas? Thanks! Lynn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using openocd
Hi Lynn- Hi all, I was wondering, has anyone had any luck connecting their debug board (v3) to a neo1973? I followed all the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board_v3 (for linux) but I keep getting 'no valid jtag interface found'. But that doesn't make any sense because I can see the debug board from my laptop when i do 'lsusb'. Any ideas? Thanks! Lynn Does your openocd using correct setting file? v3 board could connect to neo1973, because it basically compatible old boards. -- Tony Tu (Neng-Yu Tu) Openmoko, Inc. Support. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Moving my 2007.2 to SD to try 2008.8 with fallback solution
arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess it may be done from the FR itself... but I'm afraid it's difficult to move things from the very live system you're running. i'd think the only thing to care about would be /var/. just as idea: rsync the whole of the fr to the sd card and diff after a while to see which parts changed. examine these files and see if you need to set something to default values. Thanks for the tips. I thought of another way to proceed in between, and started to document it here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Moving_current_system_from_flash_to_SD Basically, you boot into a system on SD, and then, from there, you mount the root partition in flash and copy its contents to a backup dir on the SD. Hopefully, the SD is big enough to hold two systems. I've tested it and I have my backup of OM 2007.2 on SD. Now I need to test if I can boot it on the SD. If it succeeds, I will then be able to flash OM 2008.8, and have switched between flash and SD. Dual booting is cool ;) Will try and report on success/problems. Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 2008 WTF??
I'll Agree in part that the web shop could be clearer. So we will fix that. Shipping with Qtopia really wasn't an option, given the schedules. So, when the phone went into production qtopia was not quite ready. Trust me we considered the path of doing a launch with Qtopia. So, We finished a basic Dialer, SMS and contacts and shipped with that. Then Qtopia becomes available Then 2008.8 becomes available Then FSO becomes available. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fredrik Wendt Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 1:46 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: RE: 2008 WTF?? 2008-08-09 klockan 20:02 -0700, steve: If you want a ready to use phone you can always download the Qtopia distrubtion onto your freerunner and get A perfectly great ready to use phone. Then you can wait while 2008.8 matures and then download it when It is end user ready. I agree but think you're doing it wrong. Look at the actual text at http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner - you really should ship with Qtopia or emphasize that there's a lot of work to be done to be able to use the phone reliably. Two out of four links on the start page doesn't mention that the phone isn't ready for the average phone user. ABC7 mentions that this phone is more suitable to programmers, Boing boing's third comment says that the software isn't mature. I can't and won't argue with anyone being mad about the phone not meeting their expectations - I believe OpenMoko's official web site does a pretty good job on bringing those false expectations to potential customers. Until the OM team fixes this, I'll quietly stand by while people complain about this wonderful product (I love it, I knew what I bought but that wasn't based on information from openmoko.com). / Fredrik Wendt, a happy customer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debugging qpe -- please help me to confirm
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:47:53AM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: It seems that many issues are linked to qpe shipped with 2008.2 thus it would be great if people know how to get valuable debug information I didn't install famous 2008.2 yeat so I am asking someone to confirm that this works (it came from irc chat with lpotter): cp /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Log.conf ~/Settings/Trolltech and then you might enable some debug targets, /etc/init.d/qpe restart and see/dump logread into a file it should provide significant amount of information of what qpe is doing if that works on qpe -- craft a wiki page describing it or just confirm here and I will do that. Good idea. But I had a look into that file on my OM2008.8 and it looks like (nearly) all of the logging options are already enabled (see attachment). Maybe the OpenMoko developers already tweaked it for maximum logging? Regards, Thomas [Translation] File=QtopiaDefaults Context=Logging [ApplicationLauncher] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Application Execution Help[] = Application lifecycle management, from launching to termination. [ApplicationLayer] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Application Layer Help[] = Qtopia Value Space - application layer. [AtChat] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Modem AT communication Help[] = Communication between Qtopia and the Modem, in the form of AT commands and modem responses. Requires = CELL [Bluetooth] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Bluetooth Help[] = Anything to do with Bluetooth support. [Camera] enabled = 0 Name[] = Camera Help[] = Camera application. [CleanupWizard] enabled = 0 Name[] = Cleanup Wizard Help[] = Cleanup wizard activity. [DataLinking] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Data Linking (QDL) Help[] = Qtopia Data Linking (QDL) activities. [DataSharing] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Data Sharing (QDS) Help[] = Qtopia Data Sharing (QDS) activities. [DBUS] Enabled = 1 Name[] = DBUS Help[] = DBUS activity. [DocAPI] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Document system Help[] = Interactions with the document server. See also DRM. [DRMAgent] Enabled = 1 Name[] = DRM Help[] = DRM agent interactions. Requires = DRM [Hardware] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Hardware Help[] = Detailed logging of hardware messages. [Help] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Helpbrowser Help[] = Context-sensitive help interaction. [I18n] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Internationalization Help[] = Anything to do with alternative behaviours in different languages. [ILFramework] Enabled = 1 Name[] = IL Framework Help[] = Qtopia Integration Layer Framework activity. [IMAP] Enabled = 1 Name[] = IMAP Help[] = Verbose debugging of incoming email data from IMAP accounts. [Infrared] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Infrared Help[] = Infrared functionality. [IniLayer] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Ini Layer Help[] = Qtopia Value Space - Ini Layer. [Input] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Text input methods Help[] = Keypad and touchscreen plugins. [Media] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Multimedia Help[] = Media related functionality. [Messaging] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Messaging Help[] = Messaging activity. [Modem] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Modem Other Help[] = Modem activity other than I/O. Requires = CELL [ModemEmulator] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Modem Emulator Help[] = Modem emulator related functionality. Requires = CELL [Mux] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Modem Multiplexing Help[] = Detailed packet information for GSM 07.10 multiplexing. Requires = CELL [Network] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Networking Help[] = Network activity. [Obex] Enabled = 1 Name[] = OBEX Help[] = OBEX functionality. [Package] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Package Management Help[] = Package management activity. [Performance] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Performance Analysis Help[] = Performance logging of Qtopia Server and Applications. [POP] Enabled = 1 Name[] = POP Help[] = Verbose debugging of incoming email data from POP accounts. [PowerManagement] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Power Management Help[] = Power management activity. [QAudioInput] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Audio Input Help[] = ALSA Audio Input. [QAudioOutput] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Audio Output Help[] = ALSA Audio Output. [QSS] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Qtopia Sound Server Help[] = Qtopia Sound Server output activity. [Quicklauncher] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Quicklauncher Help[] = Quicklauncher spawning and application loading. [QtopiaServer] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Server Help[] = Qtopia Server tasks and startup. [Qtopiatest] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Qtopiatest Help[] = Qtopiatest plugin activity. [Resource] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Resource Lookup Help[] = Resource lookup information. [Services] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Services Help[] = General services activity. [SharedMemCache] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Shared Memory Cache Help[] = QSharedMemoryCache activity. [Sip] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Sip Help[] = Debug messages pertaining to SIP sessions. Requires = VOIP [SipAudioData] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Sip Audio Data Help[] = Verbose SIP debugging of incoming and outgoing audio data. Requires = VOIP [SMTP] Enabled = 1 Name[] = SMTP Help[] = Verbose debugging of outgoing
Battery Charger on usb kaput on 2008.8?
Ever since I installed 2008.8 my battery meter on teh phone showed the lightning bolt whether it was plugged in or not. I wondered, hmmm.. I hope its charging since we all know the neo will drain your battery beyond dead and thanks to a great design will then not be able to charge it... Well, having the phone sitting plugged into my usb port for a couple hours it went dead! USB always charged it before on the 2007 and qtopia releases! there are only so many fubar hurdles a person can take before capitulation. Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debugging qpe -- please help me to confirm
no -- the same was on qtopia -- but on OM it wasn't under ~/Settings/Trolltech right? so it wasn't yet enabled -- to enable it you need to copy it there afaik have you tried to copy it and see if logread gets populated with messages? :-) On Sun, 10 Aug 2008, Thomas B. wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:47:53AM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: It seems that many issues are linked to qpe shipped with 2008.2 thus it would be great if people know how to get valuable debug information I didn't install famous 2008.2 yeat so I am asking someone to confirm that this works (it came from irc chat with lpotter): cp /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Log.conf ~/Settings/Trolltech and then you might enable some debug targets, /etc/init.d/qpe restart and see/dump logread into a file it should provide significant amount of information of what qpe is doing if that works on qpe -- craft a wiki page describing it or just confirm here and I will do that. Good idea. But I had a look into that file on my OM2008.8 and it looks like (nearly) all of the logging options are already enabled (see attachment). Maybe the OpenMoko developers already tweaked it for maximum logging? Regards, Thomas [Translation] File=QtopiaDefaults Context=Logging [ApplicationLauncher] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Application Execution Help[] = Application lifecycle management, from launching to termination. [ApplicationLayer] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Application Layer Help[] = Qtopia Value Space - application layer. [AtChat] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Modem AT communication Help[] = Communication between Qtopia and the Modem, in the form of AT commands and modem responses. Requires = CELL [Bluetooth] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Bluetooth Help[] = Anything to do with Bluetooth support. [Camera] enabled = 0 Name[] = Camera Help[] = Camera application. [CleanupWizard] enabled = 0 Name[] = Cleanup Wizard Help[] = Cleanup wizard activity. [DataLinking] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Data Linking (QDL) Help[] = Qtopia Data Linking (QDL) activities. [DataSharing] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Data Sharing (QDS) Help[] = Qtopia Data Sharing (QDS) activities. [DBUS] Enabled = 1 Name[] = DBUS Help[] = DBUS activity. [DocAPI] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Document system Help[] = Interactions with the document server. See also DRM. [DRMAgent] Enabled = 1 Name[] = DRM Help[] = DRM agent interactions. Requires = DRM [Hardware] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Hardware Help[] = Detailed logging of hardware messages. [Help] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Helpbrowser Help[] = Context-sensitive help interaction. [I18n] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Internationalization Help[] = Anything to do with alternative behaviours in different languages. [ILFramework] Enabled = 1 Name[] = IL Framework Help[] = Qtopia Integration Layer Framework activity. [IMAP] Enabled = 1 Name[] = IMAP Help[] = Verbose debugging of incoming email data from IMAP accounts. [Infrared] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Infrared Help[] = Infrared functionality. [IniLayer] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Ini Layer Help[] = Qtopia Value Space - Ini Layer. [Input] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Text input methods Help[] = Keypad and touchscreen plugins. [Media] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Multimedia Help[] = Media related functionality. [Messaging] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Messaging Help[] = Messaging activity. [Modem] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Modem Other Help[] = Modem activity other than I/O. Requires = CELL [ModemEmulator] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Modem Emulator Help[] = Modem emulator related functionality. Requires = CELL [Mux] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Modem Multiplexing Help[] = Detailed packet information for GSM 07.10 multiplexing. Requires = CELL [Network] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Networking Help[] = Network activity. [Obex] Enabled = 1 Name[] = OBEX Help[] = OBEX functionality. [Package] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Package Management Help[] = Package management activity. [Performance] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Performance Analysis Help[] = Performance logging of Qtopia Server and Applications. [POP] Enabled = 1 Name[] = POP Help[] = Verbose debugging of incoming email data from POP accounts. [PowerManagement] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Power Management Help[] = Power management activity. [QAudioInput] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Audio Input Help[] = ALSA Audio Input. [QAudioOutput] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Audio Output Help[] = ALSA Audio Output. [QSS] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Qtopia Sound Server Help[] = Qtopia Sound Server output activity. [Quicklauncher] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Quicklauncher Help[] = Quicklauncher spawning and application loading. [QtopiaServer] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Server Help[] = Qtopia Server tasks and startup. [Qtopiatest] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Qtopiatest Help[] = Qtopiatest plugin activity. [Resource] Enabled = 1 Name[] = Resource Lookup Help[] = Resource lookup information. [Services] Enabled = 1 Name[] =
Re: What's the latest stable u-boot image for FreeRunner?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hi there, | | I just got one FreeRunner and want to flash its system to latest. In | buildhost.openmoko.org, there are only u-boot image for gta01 and it | was built on Aug, 07. So I wanna ask where can I find u-boot binary | for gta02? | | Thanks for any suggestion, | | Dunno where the build system one has gone, but you can find current image here for shipped Freerunner: http://people.openmoko.org/andy/u-boot-gta02v5v6-stable_650149a53dbdd48b.udfu - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkifFoIACgkQOjLpvpq7dMroKwCeI0nTaEsx+PVyaL91Z0xFN6w5 H+EAoJOVzw1BWVrKnJrr/aXPZOpIpjHu =5AtN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Kernel and Dual booting
* Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-10 18:16 +0200]: Now I need to test if I can boot it on the SD. If it succeeds, I will then be able to flash OM 2008.8, and have switched between flash and SD. Dual booting is cool ;) Yes it is :) (Actually I'm running 2007 from flash and 2008.8 from SD, unlike you...) Yet I'm wondering if it isn't dangerous to do an opkg upgrade from the SD. Wouldn't that update the FR's kernel? If it does, then it could break booting from flash as the modules won't match anymore. Or is there a way to prevent opkg from flashing the kernel? It would be nice to upgrade /uImage.bin instead! -- MiKael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network over USB flaky ? - Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess it's pretty flaky :( But still I see some (slow) progress ;) It really could be related to the USB ports on your PC .. if for some reason your PC is not happy with the power-state changes demanded by the Freerunner, then it will reset the USB hard layer, and this has the effect that your internal USB GUID changes, confusing the usb- ethernet driver, and thus giving you inconsistent services. If its at all possible, try running some sort of USB diagnostic app on your PC while this is all going on or check your log files for USB-related messages in the meantime .. I don't believe so, as I've not had these issues with 2007.7, but it would be running from flash, whereas I have the problems with 2008.8 running from SD... maybe that's why ? Thanks anyway. Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: networking issues
I will try wicd, a phyton based appl. I use on my wifes notebook very successfull. Feel free to be the first :-). christian Am Sonntag, den 10.08.2008, 09:44 -0600 schrieb Scott: my resolv.conf is blank every time I boot up? I manually set it via ssh through the usb connection. sync. reboot the phone and its blank?? Is there any wifi application available that will detect and connect available networks? Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- mfg/br, christian weßel Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: networking issues
my resolv.conf is blank every time I boot up? first: it's an issue rather for support. second: it has been reported already (should even be mentioned under known issues) and there have been several proposals for a workaround: - add echo nameserver XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX /etc/resolv.conf to your /etc/network/interfaces usb0 stanza - remove the link and create a file /etc/resolve.conf ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Network over USB flaky ? - Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I kept trying, rebooted, tested, again, again, unplugged USB, | replugged... and TADA, at some point it magically worked ! | | I've typed-in a few commands, got networking (opkg update completed), | did a few more things... and ... it's now gone :( | | # ping 192.168.0.202 | PING 192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202) 56(84) bytes of data. | From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable | From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable | From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable | | no kernel message on desktop side : usb not unplugged... | | I guess it's pretty flaky :( But still I see some (slow) progress ;) | | I guess screen will be my friend. I would first guess this is simply the ifconfig to set Freerunner-side IP getting messed with. I really did not see flakiness of Ethernet over USB and I understood there is new scheme for managing IP allocation in this new rootfs. If anyone with a debug board sees this behaviour, just logging in on the debug serial console and doing ifconfig usb0 / route -n would clear it up if it is that. Thanks for the feedback. Notice that I'm running 2008.8 from SD so that may change some behaviour vs running it from flash, explaining the network problems. Anyway, it seems it's rather unstable in the first times the system is brought up, and stabilizes after a while. If I unplug the USB cable when I lose IP connectivity, and replug after 1/2 seconds, then it becomes more stable. Well maybe the fact that I'm running a ping 192.168.0.202 continously helps also at that stage : it may help maintain connectivity somehow ? Anyway, I guess I'll be able to test 2008.8 from flash soon, and may be able to tell if that's better. In the meantime, 'screen -R -D' is my friend ;) Hope this helps. Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where is it?
I used the spiffy new installer to install xterm. The install went without any errors. Where is it? Its not on the main page? Its listed in the uninstall list of the installer? please post it to support. else check where the *.desktop file lives (opkg files xterm) and check it for the correct Categories string. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery Charger on usb kaput on 2008.8?
see support. has been reported already icl a trac entry. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!
Hi fellows, I tested a few minutes ago with my Neo Freerunner the new qtopia image (4.32-080808) which was released yesterday. And I can report that the suspend problem is nearly completly fixed: * I can suspend * I can wakeup (pressing the startbutton) * After suspend I can make and recieve calls * It wakes up from suspend automatically when called and rings The only thing not working is: it wakes up from suspend when called and it rings but the screen stays totally white. You can't do anything with the phone but shuting it down (holding start button for a longer time) and rebooting. So a huge progress has been made on qtopia. Thanks to trolltech and the ppl involved on porting qtopia to the GTA02! This was my first try with qtopia and it's amazing how fast and fluent the usage is compaired to FSO or OM. Links: * Downloadpage: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 * Direct-Image-Download: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=77 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where is it?
Am Sonntag 10 August 2008 17:46:22 schrieb Scott: I used the spiffy new installer to install xterm. The install went without any errors. Where is it? Its not on the main page? Its listed in the uninstall list of the installer? Sounds like the package is missing a proper .desktop file. -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08?
DooD [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm figured out why my above fix was only working on my asu build and not my om2008.8 need to install http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/illume_0.0+svnr196-r12_armv4t.ipk this version seems to let me use whatever keyboard i like, which is how it should be. hope it doesnt magically disappear . . Would you care to elaborate on let me use whatever keyboard i like ? Maybe you may add a howto into http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Keyboard_Toggle ? Many thanks in advance. Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!
well -- correct me if I am wrong, but the irony of the situation is that suspend/wakeup is handled by the kernel, and qtopia images use stock kernel from OM. Thus whatever suspend/resume achievements you see - they are solely due to OM developers. qtopia relevant pros though: call/receive after resume, absent explicit wake up on GSM activity, etc indeed are nice and it is really strange that OM's images are not yet there since qtopia proves that kernel part is good enough already (not to say that ASU/2008.2 are based on qtopia) qtopia has 1 very annoying to me issue though -- if I receive a phone call, and click on answer button -- it takes 2-4 seconds for the phone to actually react -- thus I often lost some phone calls which is annoying. Well -- may be in upcoming 4.4 qtopia release it becomes better (lpotter mentioned slightly speedier experience) and what you experience is 'white screen of death' -- you might search for it -- there is bug report somewhere On Sun, 10 Aug 2008, Rorschach wrote: Hi fellows, I tested a few minutes ago with my Neo Freerunner the new qtopia image (4.32-080808) which was released yesterday. And I can report that the suspend problem is nearly completly fixed: * I can suspend * I can wakeup (pressing the startbutton) * After suspend I can make and recieve calls * It wakes up from suspend automatically when called and rings The only thing not working is: it wakes up from suspend when called and it rings but the screen stays totally white. You can't do anything with the phone but shuting it down (holding start button for a longer time) and rebooting. So a huge progress has been made on qtopia. Thanks to trolltech and the ppl involved on porting qtopia to the GTA02! -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What's the latest stable u-boot image for FreeRunner?
Holly Lee wrote: I just got one FreeRunner and want to flash its system to latest. In buildhost.openmoko.org, there are only u-boot image for gta01 and it was built on Aug, 07. So I wanna ask where can I find u-boot binary for gta02? Look in the daily directory of buildhost, e.g. http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080809/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr54+dc633f4be2527f844158aa5085c278b0c3039d3f-r0.bin You can look up the git hash in the filename at http://git.openmoko.org/?p=u-boot.git;a=shortlog;h=stable to see whether or not the buildhost image is up-to-date (in this case it is not, as there was a new checkin an hour ago). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debugging qpe -- please help me to confirm
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 12:21:55PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: no -- the same was on qtopia -- but on OM it wasn't under ~/Settings/Trolltech right? so it wasn't yet enabled -- to enable it you need to copy it there afaik have you tried to copy it and see if logread gets populated with messages? :-) Ok, I've tried copying it there now. I don't know whether it makes a difference - it looks pretty much the same as before. There are actually lots of messages, though, e.g. lots of AtChat messages documenting the communication with the GSM modem. So maybe logging is really enabled by default on OM2008.8. Regards, Thomas On Sun, 10 Aug 2008, Thomas B. wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:47:53AM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: It seems that many issues are linked to qpe shipped with 2008.2 thus it would be great if people know how to get valuable debug information I didn't install famous 2008.2 yeat so I am asking someone to confirm that this works (it came from irc chat with lpotter): cp /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Log.conf ~/Settings/Trolltech and then you might enable some debug targets, /etc/init.d/qpe restart and see/dump logread into a file it should provide significant amount of information of what qpe is doing if that works on qpe -- craft a wiki page describing it or just confirm here and I will do that. Good idea. But I had a look into that file on my OM2008.8 and it looks like (nearly) all of the logging options are already enabled (see attachment). Maybe the OpenMoko developers already tweaked it for maximum logging? Regards, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:12:36 -0400 Yaroslav Halchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well -- correct me if I am wrong, but the irony of the situation is that suspend/wakeup is handled by the kernel, and qtopia images use stock kernel from OM. Thus whatever suspend/resume achievements you see - they are solely due to OM developers. Then thanks to the OM devs for this! qtopia relevant pros though: call/receive after resume, absent explicit wake up on GSM activity, etc indeed are nice and it is really strange that OM's images are not yet there since qtopia proves that kernel part is good enough already (not to say that ASU/2008.2 are based on qtopia) I'm pretty confident, that in the next half year Om will be at least on the same level as qtopia is (and in some points further). I can't wait to develop applications for the Om but at the moment I feel a bit lost with it because there's no api-documentation, no basic ui you want to or can develop for. If Om will have a base to work on it will grow very very fast! But at the moment I dunno what to do with it because the basics are not working. But as said I'm pretty confident that those problems will be solved. and what you experience is 'white screen of death' -- you might search for it -- there is bug report somewhere Yes found it, thanks for pointing me to this. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What's the latest stable u-boot image for FreeRunner?
Look in the daily directory of buildhost, e.g. http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080809/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr54+dc633f4be2527f844158aa5085c278b0c3039d3f-r0.bin well, there's always a file called uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin (hint, hint) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:12:36 -0400 | Yaroslav Halchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | well -- correct me if I am wrong, but the irony of the situation is that | suspend/wakeup is handled by the kernel, and qtopia images use stock | kernel from OM. Thus whatever suspend/resume achievements you see - they | are solely due to OM developers. | | Then thanks to the OM devs for this! Hum sorry to be a downer but the suspend and resume kernel issues are lot more stubborn than this, basically we roll the dice with various races hiding in there each time we build. There's a big architectural change for the device tree coming from us along with 2.6.26 upgrade soon and this should start to make stuff more consistent, but all I expect from it for a while is to consistently expose the real issues so we stand a chance to nail them. This WSOD stuff is a whole subject by itself too. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkifKTkACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqH1ACdGfzpEKoHiNrLigOt+VtGhjRA IPQAnA+Uj3H5guqmOy9+ocmwLg41rq0Z =i4fi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using openocd
I believe so. I used the openocd.cfg that is given on the wiki. I've even followed the steps here: http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/notes/openocd which seem to be legit. The step I get stuck on is running openocd. I think maybe there is something wrong with the libftdi phase? I'm not sure why I think that though. I just think that because I'm installing that by hand as opposed to sudo apt-getting it. Is there a way to check that openocd will use libftdi? Lynn On 8/10/08, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lynn- Hi all, I was wondering, has anyone had any luck connecting their debug board (v3) to a neo1973? I followed all the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board_v3 (for linux) but I keep getting 'no valid jtag interface found'. But that doesn't make any sense because I can see the debug board from my laptop when i do 'lsusb'. Any ideas? Thanks! Lynn Does your openocd using correct setting file? v3 board could connect to neo1973, because it basically compatible old boards. -- Tony Tu (Neng-Yu Tu) Openmoko, Inc. Support. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debugging qpe -- please help me to confirm
did you restart qpe? (just wanted to make sure) On Sun, 10 Aug 2008, Thomas B. wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 12:21:55PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: no -- the same was on qtopia -- but on OM it wasn't under ~/Settings/Trolltech right? so it wasn't yet enabled -- to enable it you need to copy it there afaik have you tried to copy it and see if logread gets populated with messages? :-) Ok, I've tried copying it there now. I don't know whether it makes a difference - it looks pretty much the same as before. There are actually lots of messages, though, e.g. lots of AtChat messages documenting the communication with the GSM modem. So maybe logging is really enabled by default on OM2008.8. Regards, Thomas -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
2008/8/10 Flyin_bbb8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hahaha :p iphone geeks :-) (ow, i said it) The funny thing is, in my idealistic brain, I thought geeks shouldn't even want the iPhone... I know I don't want to have anything to do with that closed system. I am truly amazed at how many of the geeks I know actually bought one. I mean it seems like great hardware, but no way I want to get locked into _any_ of apples products. I lose respect for every geek that buys one. (talk about ow, yeah I said it... but I guess they're not reading here anyway)... And back on topic. I think that the 2008.08 is definitely a major step forward. I have been using it since that morning and have found it to be better than all the others. I think their idea of telling people this is the most stable is because they want everybody on the same page and right now this is it. No sense wondering, should I stick with 2007.02 or ASU or ... This is the best we have, please try it... I think the key thing other than documenting its _beta_ or _developer only_ state is to start improving the build process so that everyone [most of us] can dive right in and get going helping out. I really want to help out, but with limited time, I would do a lot better if we had a very easy way to get started doing the development. being able to follow a _simple_ recipe for getting started and running a single script, or make, rake, etc for doing the build would be great. And I think creating everything to work with Eclipse, a _free_ and very _open_ IDE would be a great place to do this. Here's to checking out a git version of the project and opening it in Eclipse and compiling it! Thanks again, Geoff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR and debian, seems it's progressing
We are planning just that, give us a bit of time to sort things out after the Om 2008.8 release. Wolfgang On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Matt wrote: I think Openmoko could take a leaf from the book of Debian. Their Stable/Unstable/Testing approach allows users to pick the build which suits their needs and allows the users, to manage their own expectations. Admittedly, stable releases take years, but they tend to be rock solid. mj Marcos Mezo wrote: Reading planet debian today I came across this post/blog [1] by Joachim Breiner where he says they are packaging fso in debian: --- citation --- Here at DebConf 8 in Argentinia, I’m working on getting Debian to work on the OpenMoko Freerunner Smartphone. We are progressing quite nicely, soon having the same features as the official freesmartphone.org image. See the pkg-fso wiki [2] page for more on that. ... --- [1] https://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/300-Xmonad-on-my-mobile-phone.html [2] http://wiki.debian.org/pkg-fso I'm looking forward to it, specially as my FR should be here any time... :-) Marcos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 2008 WTF??
sön 2008-08-10 klockan 09:13 -0700 skrev steve: I'll Agree in part that the web shop could be clearer. So we will fix that. Thank you, on behalf of those that can't look deep enough to understand the state of the openmoko software (and hence the smartphone). Shipping with Qtopia really wasn't an option, given the schedules. So, when the phone went into production qtopia was not quite ready. Trust me we considered the path of doing a launch with Qtopia. I understand that, however, I think there should've been time to add a sentence or two to the web site though. So, We finished a basic Dialer, SMS and contacts and shipped with that. Then Qtopia becomes available Then 2008.8 becomes available Then FSO becomes available. That progress is just plain beautiful. :) Keep it up! / Fredrik Wendt signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debugging qpe -- please help me to confirm
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 01:50:10PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: did you restart qpe? (just wanted to make sure) I rebooted, so, yes. But anyway, with or without that file, I can't complain about a lack of debugging information at the moment, at least regarding GSM. The complete communication with the GSM modem is in the logs, which is often pretty informative. Regards, Thomas On Sun, 10 Aug 2008, Thomas B. wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 12:21:55PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: no -- the same was on qtopia -- but on OM it wasn't under ~/Settings/Trolltech right? so it wasn't yet enabled -- to enable it you need to copy it there afaik have you tried to copy it and see if logread gets populated with messages? :-) Ok, I've tried copying it there now. I don't know whether it makes a difference - it looks pretty much the same as before. There are actually lots of messages, though, e.g. lots of AtChat messages documenting the communication with the GSM modem. So maybe logging is really enabled by default on OM2008.8. Regards, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS / Wifi
you can do that in wpa_supplicant.conf. just add your different wifi-aps to the conf (it does wep and no enc, too) and let wpa_supplicant handle it. I'll take a look. But there must be something I don't understand. Because if wpa_supplicant handle only wifi, what about usb, gprs or other connections ? Is there a way to federate all network connections ? arne anka a écrit : Not so easy : - you may have 2 places where the same interface has different parameters (wifi at home and wifi at work ...). So you can't just add you can do that in wpa_supplicant.conf. just add your different wifi-aps to the conf (it does wep and no enc, too) and let wpa_supplicant handle it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!
Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: qtopia has 1 very annoying to me issue though -- if I receive a phone call, and click on answer button -- it takes 2-4 seconds for the phone to actually react -- thus I often lost some phone calls which is annoying. well... part of the problem is that the hangup button appears where the answer call button was, so if you click one time too many, you hang up immediately. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debugging qpe -- please help me to confirm
thank you Thomas! so I guess no need to document anything in wiki ;-) On Sun, 10 Aug 2008, Thomas B. wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 01:50:10PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: did you restart qpe? (just wanted to make sure) I rebooted, so, yes. But anyway, with or without that file, I can't complain about a lack of debugging information at the moment, at least regarding GSM. The complete communication with the GSM modem is in the logs, which is often pretty informative. Regards, Thomas -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 2008 WTF??
Here is a good start. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_Overview If you want fully functional smart phone, Then download the Qtopia distribution. If you want to help OM develop it's end user applications, then download 2008.8. It's still Alpha, which means its not feature complete, but it will give you an idea of the direction we are headed. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Ruscoe Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 10:54 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: 2008 WTF?? 2008/8/10 Flyin_bbb8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hahaha :p iphone geeks :-) (ow, i said it) The funny thing is, in my idealistic brain, I thought geeks shouldn't even want the iPhone... I know I don't want to have anything to do with that closed system. I am truly amazed at how many of the geeks I know actually bought one. I mean it seems like great hardware, but no way I want to get locked into _any_ of apples products. I lose respect for every geek that buys one. (talk about ow, yeah I said it... but I guess they're not reading here anyway)... And back on topic. I think that the 2008.08 is definitely a major step forward. I have been using it since that morning and have found it to be better than all the others. I think their idea of telling people this is the most stable is because they want everybody on the same page and right now this is it. No sense wondering, should I stick with 2007.02 or ASU or ... This is the best we have, please try it... I think the key thing other than documenting its _beta_ or _developer only_ state is to start improving the build process so that everyone [most of us] can dive right in and get going helping out. I really want to help out, but with limited time, I would do a lot better if we had a very easy way to get started doing the development. being able to follow a _simple_ recipe for getting started and running a single script, or make, rake, etc for doing the build would be great. And I think creating everything to work with Eclipse, a _free_ and very _open_ IDE would be a great place to do this. Here's to checking out a git version of the project and opening it in Eclipse and compiling it! Thanks again, Geoff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 2008 WTF??
We try to make the details clear here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_Overview But Sean, Will and I are sitting here in the hotel room adding the link to a qtopia download. I'm just given orders, Will does the work. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fredrik Wendt Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:59 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: RE: 2008 WTF?? sön 2008-08-10 klockan 09:13 -0700 skrev steve: I'll Agree in part that the web shop could be clearer. So we will fix that. Thank you, on behalf of those that can't look deep enough to understand the state of the openmoko software (and hence the smartphone). Shipping with Qtopia really wasn't an option, given the schedules. So, when the phone went into production qtopia was not quite ready. Trust me we considered the path of doing a launch with Qtopia. I understand that, however, I think there should've been time to add a sentence or two to the web site though. So, We finished a basic Dialer, SMS and contacts and shipped with that. Then Qtopia becomes available Then 2008.8 becomes available Then FSO becomes available. That progress is just plain beautiful. :) Keep it up! / Fredrik Wendt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car charger to GTA02
Although not measured, I've confirmed that the iGo systems - Juice and car charger - with the A32 tip will charge the Neo Freerunner. At one point it stopped working, but either of a uboot or kernel change has it working again. On Aug 10, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Olivier Berger wrote: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: steve wrote: Magic 47 ohm resistor will get you 1A. its on the wiki somewhere. Thanks... Should be that on the ID pin? We need a better search on the wiki Maybe also a small article with photos (as example) of a reworked charger (I figure that some opnemoko developers have already done that :P). Guys, I guess http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_charger may be the right place to add contents to. Btw, I've described a car charger of mine there. Regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS / Wifi
you can do that in wpa_supplicant.conf. just add your different wifi-aps to the conf (it does wep and no enc, too) and let wpa_supplicant handle it. I'll take a look. But there must be something I don't understand. Because if wpa_supplicant handle only wifi, what about usb, gprs or other connections ? Is there a way to federate all network connections ? i am not sure if understand you issue at all. - you can handle all you known wifi networks in wpa_supplicant.conf. it's not the user firenliest solution, but anyway - usb networking is a rather static way (since ip and probably dns are more or less hardcoded on the fr) - gprs is subject to limitations beyound your reach -- ususally your provider puts you in some kind of vpn, not available from the inet by othe means then a proxy of your provider. - bt networking seem snot to be a widely used option so, imo the only means of networking subject to intelligent settings are wfi and gprs. wifi is, as said before, configurable in wpa_supplicant.conf (ar any othe way, like networkmanager). gprs does not need more than one setting since you usually use only the entry point your provider offers. all connections use their own devices: eth0 for wifi, bnetX for bt (i guess), ubs0 for usb and finally ppp0 (i think) for gprs. the scripts below /etc/network/if-up.d/ and /etc/network/if-down.d/ have acces to the name of the interface used for networking ($IFACE on my debian box) -- thus you can easily distinguish the means of networking and execute actions appropriately. something like internet [on|of] would be impractical imo not at least because you very easy might find yourself in situations where both wifi and gprs is available, you have tehterd you rf via usb to the notebook in an attempt to use the fr as modem and there might even be one or more people around you with enabled bluetooth. which means of communications hould the fr chose? while it might be decidable most of the time (have a rule basically saying: if one of the wifi networks a, b, c or d is available, use it), i'd rather have an app allowing me to check the means of communication i want and that does not automatically connect, in the worst case to gprs while i am out of area and causing heavy charges -- then we are basically where the discussion on the asu keyboard switcher took off: what good is automatism and who wants is? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS / Wifi
i need either a new keyboard or new hands ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO and GSM instability
lör 2008-08-09 klockan 20:31 +0200 skrev Michael 'Mickey' Lauer:
Am Samstag 09 August 2008 14:12:56 schrieb NeilBrown:
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '590C',
'strength': 0, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration':
'home'}
[...]
That's ok. Frequent cell changes are usual. The strength 0 is a modem race
condition on cell ID change which I will need to workaround in ogsmd.
Nothing to worry about until you are seeing registration:unregistered
followed by immediate reregistration.
So, here we go:
# here's me connecting
[SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ContextStatusfrom :1.3
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(dbus.Int32(1), dbus.String(u'outgoing'), dbus.Dictionary({},
signature=dbus.Signature('sv')))
[SIGNAL]org.freedesktop.DBus.NameOwnerChangedfrom org.freedesktop.DBus
/org/freedesktop/DBus
(dbus.String(u':1.22'), dbus.String(u':1.22'), dbus.String(u''))
[SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ContextStatusfrom :1.3
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(dbus.Int32(1), dbus.String(u'release'), dbus.Dictionary({},
signature=dbus.Signature('sv')))
# here's after the connect script failed (I tried out a new network and that
doesn't seem to work)
[SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Statusfrom :1.3
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'registration'): dbus.String(u'home',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'strength'): dbus.Int32(77, variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'provider'): dbus.String(u'TELIA S', variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'lac'): dbus.String(u'2338', variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'cid'): dbus.String(u'13F5', variant_level=1)},
signature=dbus.Signature('sv')),)
[SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Statusfrom :1.3
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'registration'): dbus.String(u'unregistered',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'strength'): dbus.Int32(0, variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'lac'): dbus.String(u'2338', variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'cid'): dbus.String(u'13F5', variant_level=1)},
signature=dbus.Signature('sv')),)
[SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Statusfrom :1.3
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'registration'): dbus.String(u'home',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'strength'): dbus.Int32(0, variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'provider'): dbus.String(u'TELIA S', variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'lac'): dbus.String(u'2338', variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'cid'): dbus.String(u'13F5', variant_level=1)},
signature=dbus.Signature('sv')),)
[SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Statusfrom :1.3
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'registration'): dbus.String(u'home',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'strength'): dbus.Int32(79, variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'provider'): dbus.String(u'TELIA S', variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'lac'): dbus.String(u'2338', variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'cid'): dbus.String(u'16F2', variant_level=1)},
signature=dbus.Signature('sv')),)
Is this what you refered to look out for?
Don't know what to test or do next (or where to report this).
/ Fredrik Wendt
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Re: Network over USB flaky ? - Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Anyway, it seems it's rather unstable in the first times the system is | brought up, and stabilizes after a while. | If I unplug the USB cable when I lose IP connectivity, and replug | after 1/2 seconds, then it becomes more stable. Well maybe the fact | that I'm running a ping 192.168.0.202 continously helps also at that | stage : it may help maintain connectivity somehow ? This is also quite compatible with the idea the issue is around ip allocation on Freerunner side: when you remove and replug you will be doing something radical on the usb0 on Freerunner side (I guess the semantic is link down / link up, and logical usb0 network device stays there the whole while). But still then whatever deals with IP allocation can be triggered to reapply static IP or do DHCP request, etc and make the issue go away. | Anyway, I guess I'll be able to test 2008.8 from flash soon, and may | be able to tell if that's better. | | In the meantime, 'screen -R -D' is my friend ;) | | Hope this helps. Well no doubt your issue is real, I guess it is not underlying link though because I use it heavily with 2008.08 out of the picture here and it is OK. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkifTRsACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpwAQCfa5JNPU+2RzUrVZ4mZteuRw1u G+8An2lD6o5FliOmG58VUOVL4JHceMMu =/u3s -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Moving my 2007.2 to SD to try 2008.8 with fallback solution
I thought of another way to proceed in between, and started to document it here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Moving_current_system_from_flash_to_SD Great work! I was going to do something similar to this myself this weekend but I'll wait to hear of your results before I do! :) ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery Charger on usb kaput on 2008.8?
nope I looked, battery dying while plugged into laptop usb has not been reported. arne anka wrote: see support. has been reported already icl a trac entry. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What will be in GTA03?
On Aug 09, Monkey D. Luffy wrote: 1) camera (decent one, 3MP or more) Will it be possible to record movies with sound? What resolution? if there will be a camera, please make the hardware so modular that it's possible to remove the camera without big hassle like cutting PCBs etc. (and include a small plastic thing to close the hole left by the removed camera). there are environments where one is not allowed to use nor carry a camera, and I'd like to keep and use my OM there too Harald -- I hope to die ___ _ before I *have* to use Microsoft Word., 0--,|/OOO\ Donald E. Knuth, 02-Oct-2001 in Tuebingen._/ / /OOO\ \ \/OOO\ \ O|// \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Harald Koenig // / \\ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ ^ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Moving my 2007.2 to SD to try 2008.8 with fallback solution
Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought of another way to proceed in between, and started to document it here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Moving_current_system_from_flash_to_SD Great work! I was going to do something similar to this myself this weekend but I'll wait to hear of your results before I do! :) One issue I've found is that cp -a didn't relyably copy from MTD/flash to SD 5 or 6 files. After diff -r on dirs I found out which and md5sumed them... That's rather frightening, I think :( Anyway, I copied them over again, and am now trying to figure out if I can boot OK with right kernel and if it goes well. Will report in case of success. -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Moving my 2007.2 to SD to try 2008.8 with fallback solution
you better off using cpio or rsync imho for copying filesystems entirely since they know more about devices/pipes/etc On Sun, 10 Aug 2008, Olivier Berger wrote: One issue I've found is that cp -a didn't relyably copy from MTD/flash to SD 5 or 6 files. After diff -r on dirs I found out which and md5sumed them... That's rather frightening, I think :( Anyway, I copied them over again, and am now trying to figure out if I can boot OK with right kernel and if it goes well. Will report in case of success. -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO and GSM instability
Am Sonntag 10 August 2008 21:53:11 schrieb Fredrik Wendt:
lör 2008-08-09 klockan 20:31 +0200 skrev Michael 'Mickey' Lauer:
Am Samstag 09 August 2008 14:12:56 schrieb NeilBrown:
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid':
'590C', 'strength': 0, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2',
'registration': 'home'}
[...]
That's ok. Frequent cell changes are usual. The strength 0 is a modem
race condition on cell ID change which I will need to workaround in
ogsmd.
Nothing to worry about until you are seeing registration:unregistered
followed by immediate reregistration.
So, here we go:
# here's me connecting
[SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ContextStatusfrom :1.3
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device (dbus.Int32(1), dbus.String(u'outgoing'),
dbus.Dictionary({}, signature=dbus.Signature('sv'))) [SIGNAL]
org.freedesktop.DBus.NameOwnerChangedfrom org.freedesktop.DBus
/org/freedesktop/DBus (dbus.String(u':1.22'), dbus.String(u':1.22'),
dbus.String(u''))
[SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ContextStatusfrom :1.3
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device (dbus.Int32(1), dbus.String(u'release'),
dbus.Dictionary({}, signature=dbus.Signature('sv'))) # here's after the
connect script failed (I tried out a new network and that doesn't seem to
work) [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Statusfrom :1.3
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'registration'): dbus.String(u'home',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'strength'): dbus.Int32(77,
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'provider'): dbus.String(u'TELIA S',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'lac'): dbus.String(u'2338',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'cid'): dbus.String(u'13F5',
variant_level=1)}, signature=dbus.Signature('sv')),) [SIGNAL]
org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Statusfrom :1.3
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'registration'):
dbus.String(u'unregistered', variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'strength'):
dbus.Int32(0, variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'lac'): dbus.String(u'2338',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'cid'): dbus.String(u'13F5',
variant_level=1)}, signature=dbus.Signature('sv')),) [SIGNAL]
org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Statusfrom :1.3
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'registration'): dbus.String(u'home',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'strength'): dbus.Int32(0, variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'provider'): dbus.String(u'TELIA S', variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'lac'): dbus.String(u'2338', variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'cid'): dbus.String(u'13F5', variant_level=1)},
signature=dbus.Signature('sv')),) [SIGNAL]
org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Statusfrom :1.3
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'registration'): dbus.String(u'home',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'strength'): dbus.Int32(79,
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'provider'): dbus.String(u'TELIA S',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'lac'): dbus.String(u'2338',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'cid'): dbus.String(u'16F2',
variant_level=1)}, signature=dbus.Signature('sv')),)
Is this what you refered to look out for?
Yes. If you see these unregistered regularly appearing, then this is #1024
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Illume GSM widget question
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Battery Charge Solution(Not)
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Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!
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Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't track those -- is is trashed regardless if partition is mounted read/only or read/write? I would assume that it should be safe in read-only mount, thus just (re)mount your SD read-only and be happy listening to the music ;-) It didn't occur to me to mount the card ro, but I will try it and see if it helps. Kind of a step backwards, but it would also be interesting to see if it helps. But the phone services on Qtopia are an improvement over the alternatives. still very sluggish though (or is it me too fast? :-))) Sluggish, no question. But allows entry of DTMF tones after receiving a call - a must-have for me. -- Craig Allen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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