Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

The 40 block version (2nd instance) first appeared in Section 4 in the paper. Section 2 and 3 are all for the 1st instance. Hideki Xavier Combelle: <39a79a0e-7c7d-2a01-a2ae-573cda8b1...@gmail.com>: >Unless I mistake figure 3 shows the plot of supervised learning to >reinforcement learning,

Re: [Computer-go] November KGS bot tournament

Hi Nick, this will be the last of the series of KGS bot tournaments. Thank you for holding KGS tournament since 2005. On CGOS, there are always some new comers. I hope they also enter KGS bot tournament. Thanks, Hiroshi Yamashita - Original Message - From: "Nick Wedd"

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

It's related to this line of thinking by Douglas Hoffstadter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_(software) Namaste, Jim O'Flaherty Founder/CEO Precision Location Intelligence, Inc. • Irving, TX, USA 469-358-0633 <4693580633> •

Re: [Computer-go] Source code (Was: Reducing network size? (Was: AlphaGo Zero))

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: > On 26-10-17 15:55, Roel van Engelen wrote: > > @Gian-Carlo Pascutto > > > > Since training uses a ridiculous amount of computing power i wonder > > if it would be useful to make certain changes for future research, > >

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

Figure 6 has the same graph as Figure 3 but for 40 blocks. You can compare the Elo. On Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 23:35 Xavier Combelle wrote: > Unless I mistake figure 3 shows the plot of supervised learning to > reinforcement learning, not 20 bloc/40 block > > For searching

[Computer-go] Amazon EC2 P3 instances with 8xV100!

https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2017/10/introducing-amazon-ec2-p3-instances/ 1xGPU: p3.2xlarge: 8 vCPU, 61 GB RAM, $3.06/h 4xGPU: p3.8xlarge: 32 vCPU, 244 GB, $12.24/h 8xGPU: p3.16xlarge: 64v CPU, 488 GB., $24.48/h Nice solution for a tournament. Probably more powerful than the 4xTPU

[Computer-go] AGZ bootstrapping - Benefit of multi-labelled value net

@Gian-Carlo, Indeed, multi-labelled value net/ head sounds a good way to inject more signal into the network, accorging to that paper, thus to inject more reinforcemenf learning signal for learning from scratch. I was wondering if it could also be beneficial for bootstrapping the policy net/

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

I would add that "wild guesses based on not enough info" is an indispensable skill. -Original Message- From: Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Hideki Kato Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 10:17 AM To: computer-go@computer-go.org Subject: Re:

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

Well,... good luck with that! :-) Seriously: it is important to account for p-space completeness. That is, a set of rules that covers Go without conflict must be exponential in space usage. Search has a triple role in system design. It accounts (at least asymptotically) for missing knowledge

Re: [Computer-go] Source code (Was: Reducing network size? (Was: AlphaGo Zero))

This is a quite natural approach, I think every go program which needs to play with different komi does it in one way. At least oakfoam does :) Detlef Am 26.10.2017 um 15:55 schrieb Roel van Engelen: > @Gian-Carlo Pascutto > > Since training uses a ridiculous amount of computing power i

Re: [Computer-go] Source code (Was: Reducing network size? (Was: AlphaGo Zero))

Good point, Roel. Perhaps in the final layers one could make it predict a model of the expected score distribution (before combining with the komi and other rules specific adjustments for handicap stones, pass stones, last-play parity, etc.). Should be easy enough to back-propagate win/loss

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

what are semantic genetic algorithm ? to my knowledge genetic algorithm lead to poor result except as a metaheuristic in optimisation problem Le 26/10/2017 à 14:40, Jim O'Flaherty a écrit : > When I get time to spend dozens of hours on computer go again, I plan > to play in Robert's area with

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

Unless I mistake figure 3 shows the plot of supervised learning to reinforcement learning, not 20 bloc/40 block For searching mention of the 20 blocks I search for 20 in the whole paper and did not found any other mention than of the kifu thing. Le 26/10/2017 à 15:10, Gian-Carlo Pascutto a

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero

I agree with your main point that the first batch of games will be totally random moves. I just wanted to make a small point that even for totally random play, the network should be able to learn something about mid-game positions as well. At move 100, a position with 50 white stones and 40 black

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

On 26.10.2017 08:52, Petri Pitkanen wrote: Unfortunately there is no proof that you principles work better than those form eighties. No computer-go proof. There is evidence in the form of my playing strength: with the principles "from the eighties", I got to circa 1 kyu. L+D reading

Re: [Computer-go] November KGS bot tournament

The link should be . Hideki Nick Wedd: : >The November KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, November 5th, starting >at 16:00 UTC and ending by 22:00 UTC. It will use 19x19

Re: [Computer-go] I present my apologizes to Robert Jasiek

Accepted, thank you! -- robert jasiek ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

On 26.10.2017 13:52, Brian Sheppard via Computer-go wrote: MCTS is the glue that binds incompatible rules. This is, however, not what I mean. Conflicting principles (call them rules if you like) must be dissolved by higher order principles. Only when all conflicts are dissolved should MCTS

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

Xavier Combelle: <62b977d7-d227-a74d-04b7-0d46db6a7...@gmail.com>: >It is just wild guesses  based on reasonable arguments but without >evidence. Yes, of course. Due to not enough info provided by Google. Hideki >Le 26/10/2017 à 07:51, Hideki Kato a écrit : >> You can believe >>> Of what I

Re: [Computer-go] Source code (Was: Reducing network size? (Was: AlphaGo Zero))

@Gian-Carlo Pascutto Since training uses a ridiculous amount of computing power i wonder if it would be useful to make certain changes for future research, like training the value head with multiple komi values On 26 October 2017 at 03:02, Brian Sheppard

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero

On 25-10-17 16:00, Petr Baudis wrote: > That makes sense. I still hope that with a much more aggressive > training schedule we could train a reasonable Go player, perhaps at > the expense of worse scaling at very high elos... (At least I feel > optimistic after discovering a stupid bug in my

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

On 26-10-17 10:55, Xavier Combelle wrote: > It is just wild guesses based on reasonable arguments but without > evidence. David Silver said they used 40 layers for AlphaGo Master. That's more evidence than there is for the opposite argument that you are trying to make. The paper certainly

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

When I get time to spend dozens of hours on computer go again, I plan to play in Robert's area with semantic genetic algorithms. I am an Architect Software Engineer. Robert's work will allow me better than starting entirely from random in much the same way AlphaGo bootstrapped from the 100K of

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

Robert is right, but Robert seems to think this hasn't been done. Actually every prominent non-neural MCTS program since Mogo has been based on the exact design that Robert describes. The best of them achieve somewhat greater strength than Robert expects. MCTS is the glue that binds

[Computer-go] I present my apologizes to Robert Jasiek

I present my apologizes to Robert jasiek. To my knowledge all his behavior on this list was always correct and my initial and my subsequent mail was inappropriate Xavier Combelle ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

It is just wild guesses  based on reasonable arguments but without evidence. Le 26/10/2017 à 07:51, Hideki Kato a écrit : > You can believe >> Of what I understand same network architecture imply the same number of >> block > but David Silver told AlphaGo Master used 40 layers in > May. >

[Computer-go] November KGS bot tournament

The November KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, November 5th, starting at 16:00 UTC and ending by 22:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of 14 minutes each and very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. It will be a Swiss tournament. See

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

Unfortunately there is no proof that you principles work better than those form eighties. Nor there is any agreement that your pronciples form any improvement over the old ones. Yes you are a far better player than me and shows that you are - way better at reading - have hugely better go

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

You can believe >Of what I understand same network architecture imply the same number of >block but David Silver told AlphaGo Master used 40 layers in May. http://www.bestchinanews.com/Science-Technology/10371.html # The paper was submitted in April. Usually, network "architecture" does not

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

>> The reason why (b) had became unpopular is because there is no go theory >> precise enough to implement it as an algorithm > > There is quite some theory of the 95% principle kind which might be > implemented as approximation. E.g. "Usually, defend your weak > important group." can be