[computer-go] Re: OT: Teaching Go (was Re: Disputes under Japanese rules)

2008-09-18 Thread Peter Drake
I was planning to teach Japanese rules (because that's what the books use). I got the sense from the earlier messages in this list that the virtual playout is not ad hoc. David Fotland says: If we disagree on the group status, you get to play first and make it live. If you fail to make it

Re: [computer-go] Re: OT: Teaching Go (was Re: Disputes under Japanese rules)

2008-09-18 Thread Ben Shoemaker
- Original Message From: Peter Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really can't see in here what we do if I say my stones are alive and you say they're dead, I request resuming the game, you pass (because you don't want to fill in your own territory), and then I pass. The game has

Re: [computer-go] Re: OT: Teaching Go (was Re: Disputes under Japanese rules)

2008-09-18 Thread Peter Drake
I understand this method, I just don't see where the (translated) Japanese rules explain such a method. Peter Drake http://www.lclark.edu/~drake/ On Sep 18, 2008, at 9:15 AM, Ben Shoemaker wrote: - Original Message From: Peter Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really can't see in

Re: [computer-go] Re: OT: Teaching Go (was Re: Disputes under Japanese rules)

2008-09-18 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 08:54 -0700, Peter Drake wrote: I was planning to teach Japanese rules (because that's what the books use). Most of the books say nothing at all about how to handle disputes. They teach an informal territory ruleset. That's a major flaw in the books that should not be

Re: [computer-go] Re: OT: Teaching Go (was Re: Disputes under Japanese rules)

2008-09-18 Thread Peter Drake
Eventually, sure -- but I'd like them to have a few games under their belts before I bring up the issue of different versions of the rules. For context, this is for a class I'm teaching next semester on Games in Society. It's a section of Exploration Discovery, the college's freshman

Re: [computer-go] Re: OT: Teaching Go (was Re: Disputes under Japanese rules)

2008-09-18 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 11:12 -0700, Peter Drake wrote: Eventually, sure -- but I'd like them to have a few games under their belts before I bring up the issue of different versions of the rules. Ok, then play some 9x9 games with area scoring rules as Dave Devos suggested. I was making the

Re: [computer-go] Re: OT: Teaching Go (was Re: Disputes under Japanese rules)

2008-09-18 Thread Don Dailey
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 09:15 -0700, Ben Shoemaker wrote: - Original Message From: Peter Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really can't see in here what we do if I say my stones are alive and you say they're dead, I request resuming the game, you pass (because you don't want to

Re: [computer-go] Re: OT: Teaching Go (was Re: Disputes under Japanese rules)

2008-09-18 Thread steve uurtamo
i've read suggestions along the lines of teaching capture go first. this should get a lot of the life-and-death intuition under the belt (plus should help learn counting liberties). s. On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Jeff Nowakowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 11:12 -0700,

Re: [computer-go] Re: OT: Teaching Go (was Re: Disputes under Japanese rules)

2008-09-18 Thread Peter Drake
Right, that brings me to my other option: 1. explain the AGA rules myself (probably territory counting, but with no need to recognize dead stones because of the pass stones) 2. have them play for a few days, giving additional advice and explanatiions; during this time, they'll learn to

Re: [computer-go] Re: OT: Teaching Go (was Re: Disputes under Japanese rules)

2008-09-18 Thread Don Dailey
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 15:15 -0400, Jeff Nowakowski wrote: You need foundations to build on. One foundation is life and death; however, life and death is just a simple consequence of the capturing rule. I think the way I learned worked beautifully. I learned with Tromp/Taylor rules on 9x9.

Re: [computer-go] Re: OT: Teaching Go (was Re: Disputes under Japanese rules)

2008-09-18 Thread Christoph Birk
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Don Dailey wrote: It didn't take very long at all before I figured out all the basic cases for myself.Even the 2 eye rule I had heard of and even understood it from a book, but it was still rather abstract to me until I actually experienced it for myself. Only when it

Re: [computer-go] Re: OT: Teaching Go (was Re: Disputes under Japanese rules)

2008-09-18 Thread Don Dailey
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 13:06 -0700, Christoph Birk wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Don Dailey wrote: It didn't take very long at all before I figured out all the basic cases for myself.Even the 2 eye rule I had heard of and even understood it from a book, but it was still rather abstract to

Re: [computer-go] Re: OT: Teaching Go (was Re: Disputes under Japanese rules)

2008-09-18 Thread Nick Wedd
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 09:15 -0700, Ben Shoemaker wrote: - Original Message From: Peter Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really can't see in here what we do if I say my stones are alive and you say they're dead, I request