Re: [Computer-go] Aya won December 2014 KGS bot tournament

2014-12-08 Thread Rémi Coulom
http://dvandva.org/pipermail/computer-go/ On 12/08/2014 10:40 PM, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote: By the way, I can not see archives now. http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org

[Computer-go] 8th UEC Cup + 3rd Densei-sen

2014-12-02 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi, I have just noticed: UEC Cup on March 14-15: http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/ Densei-sen on March 17th, with Cho Chikun: http://entcog.c.ooco.jp/entcog/densei/ http://entcog.c.ooco.jp/entcog/densei/share/data/EC_press_densei.pdf Rémi ___

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AyaMC!

2014-11-22 Thread Rémi Coulom
Thanks Hiroshi. Most of the paper is available on google books: http://books.google.fr/books?id=52kqBAAAQBAJpg=PA26#v=onepageqf=false Rémi On 22/11/2014 18:53, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote: Delayed congratulations to AyaMC, winner of last Sunday's KGS bot Thank you for the tournament and report,

Re: [Computer-go] Zombie processes

2014-10-27 Thread Rémi Coulom
The problem is I was using Windows, and I am not very familiar with that system. In Linux, the child would have died automatically. Rémi On 27/10/2014 10:08, Petr Baudis wrote: Hi! On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:30:10AM +, Nick Wedd wrote: I wonder how practicable it would be for a bot,

Re: [Computer-go] codecentric Challenge

2014-10-27 Thread Rémi Coulom
Thanks Ingo. I enjoyed this match very much. Rémi On 27/10/2014 11:13, Ingo Althöfer wrote: Hello, it seems that currently the mails from this list are not properly distributed, at least I did not receive the two mails on zombie processes. Nevertheless, I found them in the archive. Here are

Re: [Computer-go] Interviews on codecentric Challenge

2014-10-05 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi, As promised, here is the analysis of the first game by Crazy Stone: http://remi.coulom.free.fr/CrazyStone/analysis/2014-10-04-fj-CrazyStone/index.html sgf: http://files.gokgs.com/games/2014/10/4/fj-CrazyStone.sgf Thanks FJ, thanks Ingo. I am looking forward to the next game. Rémi On

Re: [Computer-go] Interviews on codecentric Challenge

2014-10-05 Thread Rémi Coulom
Thanks. It was not a laptop, but a big desktop. i7-5930K, 3.5 GHz, 6 cores, 12 threads. I left the university one month ago, so I don't have access to the 24-core server any more. Those 6 cores are really fast. About 3.3 k playouts/s on one core, compared to about 2k playouts/s on one core of

Re: [Computer-go] some general UCT notes.

2014-08-31 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 30 août 2014, at 22:10, Dave Dyer dd...@real-me.net wrote: I've also been comparing blitz play which creates a copy of the board at top level, and starts each descent with a copy of the board; compared with unwinding play where every move is explicitly unwound. Of course, the complexity of

Re: [Computer-go] ICGA Journal

2014-08-21 Thread Rémi Coulom
I am not a member of the ICGA either. I think it is really ridiculous to have a paper-only computer-science journal in 2014. I’d like to suggest to Detlef to make his paper available online somewhere and post a link to this list. I am looking forward to reading it. Rémi On 21 août 2014, at

Re: [Computer-go] Update on the ICGA Journal

2014-08-21 Thread Rémi Coulom
I can’t get the TOC there either. And it has not been indexed by DBLP since 2011: http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/db/journals/icga/index.html IEEE TCIAIG makes a much better impression: http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/db/journals/tciaig/index.html

Re: [Computer-go] [ANN] Imago - Go board optical recognition

2014-08-13 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 13 août 2014, at 10:35, Petr Baudis pa...@ucw.cz wrote: Hi! On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 01:15:11PM +0100, Aja Huang wrote: Several cameras are relaying the games of the best players. A smart optical recognition program automatically converts the streaming images to sgfs and sends them to a

Re: [Computer-go] [ANN] Imago - Go board optical recognition

2014-08-12 Thread Rémi Coulom
Thanks Petr, Thanks Thomas, Very interesting report. I do something similar in kifu-snap. Instead of RANSAC, I use another Hough Transform to detect the sinusoids in the first Hough Transform. I also use k-means color clustering for detecting stones, but also combine this with other features

Re: [Computer-go] Skip-opening matchmode

2014-06-05 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 5 juin 2014, at 14:54, Stefan Kaitschick stefan.kaitsch...@hamburg.de wrote: such as Remi Couloms simulation balancing Simulation Balancing is not mine. I did not even implement it ;-) Rémi___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org

Re: [Computer-go] Bitwise-parallel surround capture

2014-05-24 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi Cameron, I did not take time to read your paper in details, but I know one go program based on bitboards: http://www.quirkster.com/iano/forth/fgp.html I don’t know if it manages captures differently from you, but you might at least wish to cite it. Rémi On 24 mai 2014, at 11:44, Cameron

Re: [Computer-go] Bitwise-parallel surround capture

2014-05-24 Thread Rémi Coulom
I found the code there: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.devel.go/20854 On 24 mai 2014, at 18:28, René van de Veerdonk rene.vandeveerd...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Erik van der Werf erikvanderw...@gmail.com wrote: I think a speed comparison for well optimized

[Computer-go] Computer games reviewed by Narumi Osawa

2014-05-21 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi, Some of you might be interested in this youtube video, with English translation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsHK-btcpPM Thanks to the person who gave the link to me. The reviewed games are Zen vs Ishida, and Crazy Stone vs Ishida. Rémi ___

Re: [Computer-go] UEC 2014 official final results?

2014-04-07 Thread Rémi Coulom
The final results are not available in English, but they are in Japanese: http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/result2.html Rémi On 7 avr. 2014, at 19:18, Detlef Schmicker d...@physik.de wrote: Hi, I can not find an official final result page of this years UEC cup. Would be great, as I try to

Re: [Computer-go] Game records

2014-02-14 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi Myriam All the KGS game records have time stamps. And they are in sgf format (using BL and WL properties). http://www.red-bean.com/sgf/properties.html#BL Rémi On 14 févr. 2014, at 15:32, Myriam Abramson mabram...@gmail.com wrote: Does anybody know where I could get game records with the

Re: [Computer-go] 1st Go Denou-sen

2014-02-11 Thread Rémi Coulom
It seems Zen lost the 4 games: http://news.mynavi.jp/news/2014/02/11/106/ Rémi On 3 févr. 2014, at 11:01, Hiroshi Yamashita y...@bd.mbn.or.jp wrote: Hi, 1st Go Denou-sen will be held February 11th and 16th. Zen will play against two pros in 9x9 and one top amateur in 13x13, and Ozawa

Re: [Computer-go] 1st Go Denou-sen

2014-02-11 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi Hideki, Thanks for your comments. Are the game records available? Rémi On 11 févr. 2014, at 22:19, Hideki Kato hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp wrote: Professinals can play with no or few mistakes on 9x9 but MC bots play with more mistakes (perhaps one per 10 to 20 moves?) due to the randomness.

Re: [Computer-go] Elo vs CLOP

2014-02-11 Thread Rémi Coulom
MM and CLOP are completely different from each other. MM is for supervised learning of a playing policy from game records. It will tune parameters (pattern weights) to match a given set of samples moves (typically from a collection of game records of strong players). CLOP is black-box

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to CrazyStone!

2014-02-04 Thread Rémi Coulom
Thanks Nick. In round 18, Crazy Stone lost to Zen, not pachi. Now the seki errors of CS vs Zen are already fixed ;-) In the annual table, nomitan gets a “0” but was not in the tournament. The performance of DolBaram is really impressive, considering that it was running on 4 cores. If DolBaram

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to CrazyStone!

2014-02-04 Thread Rémi Coulom
Does Zen evaluate this seki correctly in the playouts? My impression is that it may have passed because it prefers to keep some false hope of winning, rather than be certain of a jigo. Rémi On 4 févr. 2014, at 22:08, Aja Huang ajahu...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Nick for the report. I'm

Re: [Computer-go] 1st Go Denou-sen

2014-02-03 Thread Rémi Coulom
Thanks Hiroshi. Nico’s logo is very strange: http://res.nimg.jp/img/base/head/icon/nico/946.gif What does it represent? Rémi On 3 févr. 2014, at 11:01, Hiroshi Yamashita y...@bd.mbn.or.jp wrote: Hi, 1st Go Denou-sen will be held February 11th and 16th. Zen will play against two pros in

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournament, this Sunday

2014-01-31 Thread Rémi Coulom
Oh, that is the 100th KGS go tournament! Congratulations Nick, and big thanks for your work in organizing them. I appreciate them a lot. Rémi On 31 janv. 2014, at 00:21, Nick Wedd n...@maproom.co.uk wrote: The February KGS bot tournament will be held this Sunday, February 12th, starting at

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournament, this Sunday

2014-01-31 Thread Rémi Coulom
I believe botnoid was MC. On 31 janv. 2014, at 11:15, Hiroshi Yamashita y...@bd.mbn.or.jp wrote: Oh, that is the 100th KGS go tournament! Awesome! 1st KGS tournament was held in 2005, 10 years ago. And GNU Go won, there were no Monte Carlo programs.

[Computer-go] Anybody going to EGC 2014?

2014-01-03 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi, I am considering the possibility to attend the EGC in Sibiu this summer: http://egc2014.com/ Two weeks is too long for me. I am not familiar with the tournament, but I suppose it is possible to play just a few rounds of the main tournament. And I’ll probably try to participate in a short

Re: [Computer-go] Browsing the game tree?

2013-12-22 Thread Rémi Coulom
In Crazy Stone I have a gogui-analyze command that will dump the node of the tree for the current position. So I can just navigate with gogui and ask for the statistics of the current node. It is a bit primitive, but I find it usable enough, and the coding effort is very small. Guillaume

[Computer-go] Don Dailey

2013-11-21 Thread Rémi Coulom
I am sad to report very bad news about the health of Don Dailey. You can read the messages of Larry Kaufman there: http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50114 Rémi ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org

Re: [Computer-go] Playouts vs playingstrength

2013-11-20 Thread Rémi Coulom
100 pts/rank is really very wrong. I don’t have data here, but I remember when I ran WHR experiments on KGS data, it was very clear that Elo points / rank increases a lot with rank. At the strength of Crazy Stone (KGS 5d), a rank is worth much more than 200 Elo points. For beginners, it may be

Re: [Computer-go] Sylvain Gelly's thesis?

2013-11-06 Thread Rémi Coulom
I found a copy there: http://bibliographie.jeudego.org/these_sylvain-gelly.pdf On 11/06/2013 10:51 AM, Ingo Althöfer wrote: Hello, is Sylvain Gelly's doctoral dissertation (from 2007) still available somewhere in electronic form? Thanks in advance, Ingo.

Re: [Computer-go] Monte-carlo simulations vs. MCMC

2013-11-01 Thread Rémi Coulom
MCMC has little to do with what we do in computer Go. In MCTS we have a Markov Chain and we take Monte-Carlo samples from it, but the purpose is really not the same at all as what MCMC algorithms do. I recommend the wikipedia articles. It is difficult to really get an idea of MCMC by reading a

Re: [Computer-go] Monte-carlo simulations vs. MCMC

2013-11-01 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 1 nov. 2013, at 13:32, Darren Cook dar...@dcook.org wrote: MCMC has little to do with what we do in computer Go. In MCTS we have a Markov Chain and we take Monte-Carlo samples from it, but the purpose is really not the same at all as what MCMC algorithms do. I recommend the wikipedia

Re: [Computer-go] Reminder: Handicap 29 prize

2013-10-07 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi Ingo, It seems mfgo1998 is not playing on KGS any more. Rémi On 6 oct. 2013, at 15:44, Ingo Althöfer wrote: Hello, my 1,000-Euro prize for a bot that beats the old Many Faces of Go (version without Monte Carlo components) at handicap 29 on the 19x19-board ist still open. When I

Re: [Computer-go] Computer Go Forum?

2013-10-02 Thread Rémi Coulom
godiscussions has been broken for a long time. lifein19x19 is where people moved to. They have a computer-go section: http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=18 There is almost no programmer and no technical discussion there. On 2 oct. 2013, at 14:04, Ben Ellis wrote: I'd be surprised

Re: [Computer-go] SGF format: How to specify prisoner count?

2013-09-08 Thread Rémi Coulom
. That should indicate which player passed more. Rémi On 8 sept. 2013, at 10:18, Hideki Kato wrote: If B played 2 stone in a row, W must played a pass in between. Hideki Rémi Coulom: 31259b1d-7305-41b7-b223-fca7da22b...@free.fr: Hi, I wonder if it is possible to indicate the number of prisoners

Re: [Computer-go] Kifu-Snap: automatic go-board image recognition

2013-07-21 Thread Rémi Coulom
, but feel free to continue sending them to me. Have fun, and please let me know if you have any comment or suggestion. Rémi On 29 mai 2013, at 16:55, Rémi Coulom wrote: Hi, I have just put this on my web page, if some of you are interested: http://remi.coulom.free.fr/kifu-snap/ Kifu-Snap

[Computer-go] Kifu-Snap: automatic go-board image recognition

2013-05-29 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi, I have just put this on my web page, if some of you are interested: http://remi.coulom.free.fr/kifu-snap/ Kifu-Snap is an experimental tool to recognize a go board from a picture. On this web page you can download a free demo of the current Android prototype. You might find this prototype

Re: [Computer-go] Kifu-Snap: automatic go-board image recognition

2013-05-29 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 29 mai 2013, at 19:38, Gabriel Benmergui wrote: Nice work Remi. Would gladly put up a link on kaya for it. Im assuming it makes it into sgf? Yes, it produces an sgf file. Thanks for the link offer. The app. is currently very experimental, and maybe not ready for prime time, so I don't

[Computer-go] Can we kick out the conference spammers?

2013-05-09 Thread Rémi Coulom
I tried to send a polite request to Rudy Lolo but he did not answer. Rémi ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] CLOP: Confident Local Optimization for Noisy Black-Box Parameter Tuning

2013-03-26 Thread Rémi Coulom
That is difficult. Usually the central win rate is optimistic, and the win rate over all games is pessimistic. So those numbers should give you an idea of the range of the win rate you can expect with current estimated optimal parameters. But it might be possible to have narrower estimates.

Re: [Computer-go] CLOP: Confident Local Optimization for Noisy Black-Box Parameter Tuning

2013-03-24 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi, If you wish to explore the behaviour of CLOP on a particular problem, I recommend the test_swig.py script in the programs/clop/script/artificial directory. You have to edit this script to select the experiment you wish to run. First, select your problem. You can do this by uncommenting

Re: [Computer-go] parameter optimization (clop others)

2013-02-07 Thread Rémi Coulom
If I understand your notation correctly, CLOP can get C = 1/3 for smooth functions. In theory, regression with a polynomial of degree d gets C = 0.5 * d / (d + 1) if the function is as smooth as the polynomial with bounded (d+1)th derivative. There is an experiment in the CLOP paper that

Re: [Computer-go] parameter optimization (clop others)

2013-02-07 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 7 févr. 2013, at 21:01, Olivier Teytaud wrote: (the constant term in the linear slope in log-log term depends on the number of parameters, this might be relevant for Brian's remark on the number of parameters). I am not sure it does. In fact I would guess it does not. If the

Re: [Computer-go] Board Sizes

2013-01-07 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 01/07/2013 03:02 PM, Vlad Dumitrescu wrote: Hi! On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Don Dailey dailey@gmail.com mailto:dailey@gmail.com wrote: 2013/1/7 Don Dailey dailey@gmail.com mailto:dailey@gmail.com I have a question concerning a related

[Computer-go] 2013 Computer Olympiad in Yokohama, Japan

2012-12-21 Thread Rémi Coulom
http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/event.php?id=44 Rémi ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] Go software on Mac OS X

2012-11-23 Thread Rémi Coulom
You can use gogui. On 23 nov. 2012, at 14:28, Aja Huang wrote: Dear all, Is there any Go software on OS X like MultiGo on Windows that I can view and edit .sgf game records? Thanks, Aja ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org

Re: [Computer-go] Develop a client for KGS?

2012-11-08 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 8 nov. 2012, at 14:09, Don Dailey wrote: I thought KGS had their own proprietary protocol? Yes. And I don't think GTP can be of any help to connect a web client to KGS. See that page: http://senseis.xmp.net/?KGSueMe%2FDiscussion Note that wms himself is developing a web client:

Re: [Computer-go] TAAI 2012 Computer Go Tournaments

2012-10-02 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 2 oct. 2012, at 09:18, Jirong wrote: Dear all, We are happy to announce TAAI 2012 Computer Go Tournaments. The top bot can play with pro go players. If you are interested, please register at http://www.tcga.tw/taai2012/eng/

Re: [Computer-go] TAAI 2012 Computer Go Tournaments

2012-10-02 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 2 oct. 2012, at 11:30, Aja Huang wrote: 5. Score: The winning bot gets 1 points and each bot gets 0.5 point if the result is draw. Can the result be a draw? Rémi On September 5, two top Go players Lee Sedol and Gu Li played a game ended in a quadruple ko, see

Re: [Computer-go] An unusual seki

2012-08-15 Thread Rémi Coulom
A link to the file might be more convenient for many: http://files.gokgs.com/games/2012/8/14/Blubbel-AyaBot4-2.sgf Rémi ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] CLOP: Confident Local Optimization for Noisy Black-Box Parameter Tuning

2012-07-08 Thread Rémi Coulom
the Mean column on the Max tab? How does one get them out? Copy to clipboard only works for a single cell at a time. I'm on Windows. On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:01 AM, Rémi Coulom remi.cou...@free.fr wrote: Hi, This is a draft of the paper I will submit to ACG13. Title: CLOP: Confident

Re: [Computer-go] CLOP: Confident Local Optimization for Noisy Black-Box Parameter Tuning

2012-07-08 Thread Rémi Coulom
:34, Rémi Coulom wrote: If you can edit the source code and re-compile, you can try replacing: Qt::ItemIsEnabled by Qt::ItemIsEnabled | Qt::ItemIsSelectable in MainWindow.cpp I don't have time to test or prepare a new version, sorry. Rémi On 8 juil. 2012, at 08:52, Michael Williams

Re: [Computer-go] Nice and Hyperthreading

2012-05-29 Thread Rémi Coulom
Do you mean you have N real cores (so 2N hyperthreads), and run your program with N threads? You might be able to disable hyperthreading in the BIOS to solve this problem. I imagine that if you use 2N threads in your program, it should almost stop the clop experiment. Rémi On 29 mai 2012, at

Re: [Computer-go] New commercial Crazy Stone

2012-05-21 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 21 mai 2012, at 08:17, Chin-Chang Yang wrote: Hi, I want to know more information about English version of CrazyStone 2012. Can anyone answer the following questions? Does it support Chinese rule? Yes. What does the Histogram mean? It is the distribution of playout scores. In

Re: [Computer-go] New commercial Crazy Stone

2012-05-21 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 21 mai 2012, at 09:36, Rémi Coulom wrote: You can choose a level. The web site says 10 levels of play. The most recent beta I tested actually had 20, so it may be 20 after all. Each level corresponds to a total number of playouts per game. There are in fact 10 levels as indicated

Re: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2012-05-17 Thread Rémi Coulom
Now with the correct e-mail address. On 17 mai 2012, at 16:43, Rémi Coulom wrote: I took a closer look at the games. 19 is hanezeki: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Hanezeki I don't worry too much about that. Did this ever occur in a real game? I would recommend using non-integer komi for your

Re: [Computer-go] detecting cross inside an eye

2012-05-10 Thread Rémi Coulom
I suppose he means an empty intersection. The rule used usually is: all 4 immediate neighbours are of my color and the opponent has no more than two (one on the side) stone(s) in diagonal. That rule will improve the strength of stop-cur considerably. Rémi On 10 mai 2012, at 18:55, Álvaro

[Computer-go] cgos client crash: too many open files

2012-05-02 Thread Rémi Coulom
After a few days of running my program on CGOS, the 9x9 client crashed with the error message below. lsof shows that tclsh has a lot of open files. Maybe there is something that needs to be closed somewhere. Anybody got the same problem? Maybe that only happens when there are many players and

Re: [Computer-go] cgos

2012-04-24 Thread Rémi Coulom
I reserved a small 4-core node of our cluster to connect 9 fast instances of Crazy Stone, 3 for each board size. On 23 avr. 2012, at 19:48, ds wrote: Hi, would be nice, if one could arrange a typical date, where one can hope to find more programs on cgos. E.g. once a week or once every

Re: [Computer-go] cgos

2012-04-24 Thread Rémi Coulom
Rémi Coulom: I reserved a small 4-core node of our cluster to connect 9 fast instances of Crazy Stone, 3 for each board size. On 23 avr. 2012, at 19:48, ds wrote: Hi, would be nice, if one could arrange a typical date, where one can hope to find more programs on cgos. E.g. once a week

Re: [Computer-go] cgos

2012-04-24 Thread Rémi Coulom
2012/4/24 ds d...@physik.de Thanks a lot, there is a long way to go for us with this impressible strength:) Detlef Am Dienstag, den 24.04.2012, 19:43 +0200 schrieb Rémi Coulom: In Crazy Stone, I set the total number of playouts per game, not per move. 250k per game is similar

[Computer-go] citeulike reminder

2012-04-21 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi, I have just noticed that the citeulike collection of bibliographic references has not been updated in a while: http://www.citeulike.org/group/5884/library I'd like to invite authors of papers related to computer go to post them there. That will improve their visibility. Rémi

Re: [Computer-go] New commercial Crazy Stone

2012-04-09 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 8 avr. 2012, at 22:13, Ingo Althöfer wrote: This product uses the newest version and, in addition, has analysis window feature, which is very useful for anaylizing and research of games. We need it in Western version, too. I am sorry this won't be in the western version. You can

Re: [Computer-go] New commercial Crazy Stone

2012-04-08 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi Ingo, I don't know the exact date, but the English version will be available soon. The old version is available at a discount until then. The new version will be available from that page: http://www.unbalance.co.jp/igo/eng/ It currently says in the middle of April. Rémi On 8 avr. 2012, at

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to pachi2!

2012-03-22 Thread Rémi Coulom
Thanks Nick. Crazy Stone's analysis of the victory of Zen against Pachi is still online: http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/~coulom/CrazyStone/2012-03-14-Pachi/index.html Rémi On 22 mars 2012, at 12:41, Nick Wedd wrote: Congratulations to pachi2, winner of the Slow KGS bot tournament! My

Re: [Computer-go] useless ko threats

2012-03-06 Thread Rémi Coulom
Accelerated UCT does this: https://www.conftool.net/acg13/index.php/Hashimoto-Accelerated_UCT_and_Its_Application_to_Two-Player_Games-111.pdf?page=downloadPaperfilename=Hashimoto-Accelerated_UCT_and_Its_Application_to_Two-Player_Games-111.pdfform_id=111form_version=final Rémi On 6 mars 2012, at

Re: [Computer-go] About Minirock

2012-02-14 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi Xaryl, You don't have to apologize. You caused no trouble. Welcome to the list. Rémi On 14 févr. 2012, at 17:11, Xaryl C wrote: First of all, sorry for creating a new thread. I wasn't on the mailing list, and wasn't sure how to respond to a thread without the original mail. Also sorry

[Computer-go] cgos game archives

2012-02-01 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi, I'd like to get a copy of the game records of Crazy Stone on CGOS, and I cannot find a convenient way to do it. The archives do not seem up to date. Any suggestion? I'd be happy if I could at least get the archive of the January games. Thanks, Rémi

Re: [Computer-go] minirock2

2012-01-28 Thread Rémi Coulom
. Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:33:32 +0100 Von: Rémi Coulom remi.cou...@free.fr An: computer-go@dvandva.org Betreff: [Computer-go] minirock2 Anybody knows what is minirock2? Was it programmed by rock2? That would be big news :-) Fabien, are you reading

Re: [Computer-go] Game 2 goes to Zen: 1-1

2012-01-26 Thread Rémi Coulom
In the most recents Crazy Analysis, Delta is the difference between the evaluation of this move, and the evaluation of the next position of the game. For instance, in this page: http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/~coulom/CrazyStone/ingo/index.html At move 72, delta = 0.0431076 is 0.441597 (value

Re: [Computer-go] KGS, gogui and handicap stones

2012-01-21 Thread Rémi Coulom
The problem is that kgs saves handicap stones as black moves (B), instead of setup stones (AB), when playing with Chinese rules. The sgf specification says that they should be setup stones. Gogui correctly sends a set_free_handicap command to your engine if setup stones are indicated instead of

Re: [Computer-go] Computer Go and EGC 2012

2012-01-19 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 19 janv. 2012, at 20:49, Richard J. Lorentz wrote: After reading all these posts I have concerns about this whole game within a game idea. It's beginning to look like the pro's behavior becomes part of the experiment, which you probably don't want as it would be demeaning to the pro. I

Re: [Computer-go] Game 2 goes to Zen: 1-1

2012-01-17 Thread Rémi Coulom
of my laptop. Congrats to Zen, btw. Rémi On 16 janv. 2012, at 11:34, Isaac Deutsch wrote: For people who missed it in the Kibitz, Rémi Coulom also put together a very nice automatic analysis tool for this game: http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/~coulom/CrazyStone/CrazyAnalysis.html As he

Re: [Computer-go] Game 2 goes to Zen: 1-1

2012-01-17 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 17 janv. 2012, at 11:05, Ingo Althöfer wrote: Hello Remi, thanks a lot for your nice service. Hopefully, this feature will flow also in forthcoming commercial versions of CrazyStone. Hi Ingo, Since many people seem so interested, we may try to include it in the next version. A

[Computer-go] minirock2

2012-01-16 Thread Rémi Coulom
Anybody knows what is minirock2? Was it programmed by rock2? That would be big news :-) Fabien, are you reading? Rémi ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] kgs bot interface question

2012-01-15 Thread Rémi Coulom
I have this problem too. I think the problem is not resignation. The problem is when several player challenge at the same time. You can tell kgsgtp to write a log. Below is such a log for CrazyStone. So it must be a bug in kgsgtp. Maybe wms reads this. Otherwise, we could send a message to

Re: [Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen

2012-01-11 Thread Rémi Coulom
Thanks Jouni for buying Crazy Stone. And yes, Don, there is an Android version. All the many versions of Crazy Stone are listed on its web page: http://remi.coulom.free.fr/CrazyStone/ Chinese versions coming soon. Rémi On 10 janv. 2012, at 23:48, Don Dailey wrote: Is there an Android version

Re: [Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen

2012-01-11 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi Vlad, Sorry for your medal. I don't do the UI stuff, but I'll forward your remark to Unbalance. Or if you can send the position with the wrong scoring to me, I'll try to make CS score it correctly. Rémi On 11 janv. 2012, at 15:24, Vlad Dumitrescu wrote: Hi, On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at

Re: [Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen

2012-01-10 Thread Rémi Coulom
I wonder what kind of abuse you censor. I never observed any behaviour I'd like to censor with Crazy Stone. Rémi On 10 janv. 2012, at 21:19, Jean-loup Gailly wrote: I know the Zen author occasionally logs in as the bot and censors people who abuse the bot. I do this too for pachi2.

Re: [Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen

2012-01-08 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 7 janv. 2012, at 21:07, Jouni Valkonen wrote: 6d for MC-gobot seems a bit optimistic, I would bet €5 that it won't happen in 2012. 6d's are ridiculously strong. I calculated that in January, out of 56 games against 5d's CS won 48%. This is indeed impressive, although there is long way

Re: [Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen

2012-01-08 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 8 janv. 2012, at 16:25, Thomas Wolf wrote: Reaching 6 Dan may well happen, I only want to say that the difference between 5.99 dan and a stable 6.00 dan can be big because then all players get one more stone, all games are somewhat different. This all depends on the rating system.

Re: [Computer-go] CLOP and BOOL Parameters

2012-01-04 Thread Rémi Coulom
You can have a bounded integer parameter. For instance: IntegerParameter my_parameter 0 1 CLOP may not be the most efficient approach to tuning boolean parameters, because it makes little sense to do quadratic regression over boolean parameters. But it should work. Rémi On 4 janv. 2012, at

Re: [Computer-go] CLOP and BOOL Parameters

2012-01-04 Thread Rémi Coulom
you can optimize over discrete parameters, continuous parameters, etc., by describing them, generating the experiments, and iterating. it's not simply an optimization tool, so requires more hands-on work, but it's quite good. s. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:42 AM, Rémi Coulom remi.cou

Re: [Computer-go] win rate bias and CLOP

2012-01-04 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 4 janv. 2012, at 16:22, Olivier Teytaud wrote: BTW, I imagine that CLOP could be any fully automated parameter tuning solution. That is, nothing here is really specific to CLOP. It just happens that CLOP is the first fully automated parameter tuning system that I have made to work.

Re: [Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen

2012-01-03 Thread Rémi Coulom
As a human player, I would be opposed to playing against a program in a tournament. So I don't wish to participate in human tournaments with Crazy Stone. Also, having to operate the program manually would be a huge pain. Playing casual games automatically on KGS is much more pleasant for me,

Re: [Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen

2012-01-02 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 2 janv. 2012, at 20:12, David Fotland wrote: Very impressive. Does anyone know the relative hardware? I think the 5 dan Zen was running on 26 cores. Thanks for the nice comments. I am running on 24 cores (Dell PowerEdge R905 Rack Server, 4 x Six-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 8439 SE,

[Computer-go] Results of first day of the UEC Cup

2011-12-03 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi, A video with the results of the first day is online there: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/uec-go-2011 If I understood correctly, the top players may be: 1. Zen 2. Erica 3. Aya 4. Pachi 5. Many Faces 6. Nomitan But my japanese is not so good :-) Rémi

[Computer-go] ACG13 live broadcast and programme

2011-11-18 Thread Rémi Coulom
There will be a live video broadcast of the ACG13 conference: http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/news_item.php?id=71 This a link to the programme: https://www.conftool.net/acg13/sessions.php Rémi ___ Computer-go mailing list

Re: [Computer-go] Question about exploration in CLOP

2011-11-15 Thread Rémi Coulom
My implementation is very basic (and inefficient). I use Gibbs sampling (ie, Metropolis-Hastings, one dimension at a time, which scales better to higher dimensions), with uniform samples over the parameter range. Details of the implementation are in CSPWeight.cpp. I found it is good enough in

Re: [Computer-go] Possible approach to prove CLOP convergence?

2011-11-09 Thread Rémi Coulom
I have no idea. I did not really spend any time trying to prove mathematically that CLOP works. Another source of ideas might be that paper about a similar method, where they propose a proof of convergence: http://www.informs-sim.org/wsc07papers/041.pdf But the algorithm is extremely

Re: [Computer-go] New version of CLOP

2011-11-07 Thread Rémi Coulom
The prior strength was increased from 1e-3 to 1e-2, and the number of iterations of the localization process was limited to 7. I did not have time to measure this very precisely, but tests on Rosenbrock5 show a performance improvement. I made that change because some users of CLOP sent data to

Re: [Computer-go] New version of CLOP

2011-11-07 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 7 nov. 2011, at 14:07, Brian Sheppard wrote: I have also seen runs where many localization iterations are necessary, but I did not connect that to overfitting. I do see Clop runs that wander for an excessive number of trials. That has troubled me, because I would like to use Clop for

[Computer-go] New version of CLOP

2011-11-05 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi, I have just uploaded a new version of CLOP. Changes: 2011-11-05: 0.0.9 - Stronger regularization (avoid overfitting in high dimensions) - Merge Replications option in gui - faster, better display - Performance optimization of display and loading of large data files - Removed -ansi

Re: [Computer-go] MCTS playouts per second

2011-10-28 Thread Rémi Coulom
I think it is more like 100k on 9x9, and 25k on 19x19 http://www.mail-archive.com/computer-go@computer-go.org/msg11214.html Rémi On 28 oct. 2011, at 06:30, Aja Huang wrote: No, I meant 6,000-7,000 playouts per second on 19x19. Aja From: Michael Williams Sent: Thursday, October 27,

Re: [Computer-go] CLOP: Confident Local Optimization forNoisyBlack-Box Parameter Tuning

2011-10-04 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi Brian, On 4 oct. 2011, at 18:54, Brian Sheppard wrote: Hi, Remi. I have a question about the burn-in process for CLOP. Normally you need a lot of data to make a decent regression function. For example, if you have N arguments in your function, then CLOP (Correlated-All) needs 1 + N *

Re: [Computer-go] Computer Olympiad: Go schedule and registration cost for multiple tournaments

2011-09-29 Thread Rémi Coulom
tournament is 25 Euros instead of 40. Rémi On 27 sept. 2011, at 18:37, Petr Baudis wrote: Hi! On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 07:28:57PM +0200, Rémi Coulom wrote: I have just posted this on the web site of the Olympiad: Schedule for Go tournaments: • 21-22 nov go 9x9 • 23 nov go 13x13

Re: [Computer-go] Computer Olympiad: Go schedule and registration cost for multiple tournaments

2011-09-24 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 24 sept. 2011, at 17:06, Erik van der Werf wrote: BTW Are you planning to participate with Crazystone? I will attend the conference, and present the CLOP paper there, but I don't plan to participate in tournaments. Rémi ___ Computer-go mailing

Re: [Computer-go] Computer Olympiad: Go schedule and registration cost for multiple tournaments

2011-09-23 Thread Rémi Coulom
On 23 sept. 2011, at 02:53, Hideki Kato wrote: Rémi Coulom: de4c2e5c-94d2-4ef0-9186-8738a6690...@free.fr: Hi, I have just posted this on the web site of the Olympiad: Schedule for Go tournaments: • 21-22 nov go 9x9 • 23 nov go 13x13 Thank you Rémi, but 13x13 Go

[Computer-go] Computer Olympiad: Go schedule and registration cost for multiple tournaments

2011-09-22 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi, I have just posted this on the web site of the Olympiad: Schedule for Go tournaments: • 21-22 nov go 9x9 • 23 nov go 13x13 • 24-25 nov go 19 x 19 • 26 nov. 19x19 play-off if any, or a demonstration game Participants have to register separately for each

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