Re: [Computer-go] On Semeai Detection. Was: Zen resignation positions

2013-10-21 Thread Aja Huang
Hi all, 2013/10/10 Lars Schäfers sl...@upb.de 3) two-safe-group It is a term used by Aja Huang to describe a class of Go positions he created, that contain two safe but not yet completely settled groups. The positions were created with the aim to be difficult to understand for current MC

Re: [Computer-go] On Semeai Detection

2013-10-11 Thread Stefan Kaitschick
One more thought: it's especially important to detect genuinely local semeais. Because they're the ones that are hurting the bots. Ironically, bots are happy with strange and convoluted interactions that make it extremely difficult for humans. The reason is, that humans are so good at isolating

Re: [Computer-go] On Semeai Detection

2013-10-11 Thread Alexander Kozlovsky
I'm curious, is it possible to deal with semeai the next way: during MC simulation, record statistics for each pair of (black_group, white_group) which presented on the board in the current position. The statistics for each pair of groups have four counter: both groups died, both groups survived,

Re: [Computer-go] On Semeai Detection

2013-10-10 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hi Robert, Von: Robert Jasiek jas...@snafu.de On 09.10.2013 20:54, Ingo Althöfer wrote: It stands for localizing multiple peaks Let me ask differently: ... Or is there no clear relation to human go theory? At the mnoment, this is still the case. In my eyes, you would be the most

Re: [Computer-go] On Semeai Detection. Was: Zen resignation positions

2013-10-10 Thread Lars Schäfers
Hi Robert, I too have problems with receiving mails form this list. Hence, sorry for late replies. Thanks to veg for working on this issue! 1) Use of the term semeai In this paper the term semeai is indeed not used in the most accurate fashion. We realized this only after the paper was

Re: [Computer-go] On Semeai Detection

2013-10-10 Thread Petri Pitkanen
Thats why Gmail has filters and you can prevent gmail classifying as spam from specific senders. Petri 2013/10/9 Aja Huang ajahu...@gmail.com I didn't get Don's goodbye message as well, and I found Gmail filtered lots of emails from the list as spams. Aja 2013/10/9 Erik van der Werf

Re: [Computer-go] On Semeai Detection

2013-10-10 Thread Robert Jasiek
On 10.10.2013 09:01, Ingo Althöfer wrote: interesting positions Ko shapes are in http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/ko.pdf Basic semeai theory is in my book Capturing Races 1 - Two Basic Groups as well as Thomas Wolf's papers on semeais. Strange seki shapes can be found from Harry Fearnley, Denis

Re: [Computer-go] On Semeai Detection

2013-10-10 Thread Álvaro Begué
I have a filter set up that labels all emails from this list as computer go, and I often see message from GMail explaining that that is the reason it didn't classify it as spam. Give that a try. Álvaro. On Thursday, October 10, 2013, Petri Pitkanen wrote: Thats why Gmail has filters and you

[Computer-go] On Semeai Detection. Was: Zen resignation positions

2013-10-09 Thread Lars Schäfers
Hi, partly as a result of the discussion in the thread Zen resignation positions, we wrote the following paper on the detection of semeai during MCTS: On Semeai Detection in Monte-Carlo Go Abstract: A frequently mentioned limitation of Monte-Carlo Tree Search (MCTS) based Go programs is their

Re: [Computer-go] On Semeai Detection. Was: Zen resignation positions

2013-10-09 Thread Robert Jasiek
On 09.10.2013 15:30, Lars Schäfers wrote: On Semeai Detection in Monte-Carlo Go In this paper, does semeai stand for one of 'capturing race', 'unsettled life and death situation', 'basic ko fight', 'multiple ko fight', 'ladder breaking' 'etc.'? Is the identification of a cluster proven

[Computer-go] On Semeai Detection

2013-10-09 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Robert Jasiek asked: In this paper, does semeai stand for one of 'capturing race', 'unsettled life and death situation', 'basic ko fight', 'multiple ko fight', 'ladder breaking' 'etc.'? It stands for localizing multiple peaks in a histogram of many playouts. Have a look at

Re: [Computer-go] On Semeai Detection

2013-10-09 Thread Erik van der Werf
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Ingo Althöfer 3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de wrote: Ps. Sorry for writing this as a new message. But for months already I do not receive the mails from the list, and an attempt to register from another mailing address failed. You're not the only one with email problems.

Re: [Computer-go] On Semeai Detection

2013-10-09 Thread Aja Huang
I didn't get Don's goodbye message as well, and I found Gmail filtered lots of emails from the list as spams. Aja 2013/10/9 Erik van der Werf erikvanderw...@gmail.com On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Ingo Althöfer 3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de wrote: Ps. Sorry for writing this as a new message. But

Re: [Computer-go] On Semeai Detection

2013-10-09 Thread steve uurtamo
All about the ko. No? Add a few ko+seki possibilities, life gets complicated for Mr. Computer. Five hard fights with two ko? Doneski. Win for human. s. On Oct 9, 2013 12:37 PM, Robert Jasiek jas...@snafu.de wrote: On 09.10.2013 20:54, Ingo Althöfer wrote: It stands for localizing multiple