Re: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2013-06-25 Thread ds
Hi, I really put all my reading skills into case1.sgf of two_safe_groups. the test file says black to move, and I really can not get an answer for w to win against B J7 (and oakfoam does not too:). (by the way, the sgf says w to move) Could anybody please give me a hint Detlef Am Mittwoch,

Re: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2013-06-25 Thread Erik van der Werf
Are you looking at the initial state or the state after W j8 (after which B J7 is self-atari, and W lives)? Perhaps just show the position here to make sure we talk about the same one. On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:01 PM, ds d...@physik.de wrote: Hi, I really put all my reading skills into

Re: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2013-06-25 Thread Detlef Schmicker
You are right, I did not see that I missed the w move, sorry for the noise:( Detlef Am Dienstag, den 25.06.2013, 16:21 +0200 schrieb Erik van der Werf: Are you looking at the initial state or the state after W j8 (after which B J7 is self-atari, and W lives)? Perhaps just show the

Re: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2013-03-27 Thread David Fotland
Message - From: Aja Huang ajahu...@gmail.com To: computer-go@dvandva.org Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:39 PM Subject: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go Dear all, If you are interested, you can download the newest

Re: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2013-03-26 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go Dear all, If you are interested, you can download the newest version of our regression test set (seki and two-safe-groups) at http://webdocs.cs.ualberta.ca/~shihchie/seki-and-two-safe-groups-regression-test.zip

Re: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2013-03-26 Thread Aja Huang
2013/3/26 Hiroshi Yamashita y...@bd.mbn.or.jp My anti-semeai version Aya gets Aya 7/15 46% (anti-semeai) Aya 1/15 6% (normal) But I could not get good result on KGS and selfplay from anti-semeai. Its strength is almost same. Maybe side-effects? One possibility might

Re: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2013-03-26 Thread Aja Huang
The attached example shows that a *good rule* might break the balance of playouts and produce a worse evaluation. Suppose in the playout we add a new rule to forbid B's D1 self-atari. This rule makes sense since D1 is a completely meaningless suicide in terms of Go knowledge. But, in fact, this

[Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2013-03-20 Thread Aja Huang
Dear all, If you are interested, you can download the newest version of our regression test set (seki and two-safe-groups) at http://webdocs.cs.ualberta.ca/~shihchie/seki-and-two-safe-groups-regression-test.zip or in Fuego svn http://fuego.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/fuego/trunk/regression/name

Re: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2012-05-21 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
19, 2012 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go Dear all, If you are interested, you can download our latest regression test set at http://webdocs.cs.ualberta.ca/~shihchie/seki-and-two-safe-groups-regression

Re: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2012-05-18 Thread Aja Huang
Dear all, If you are interested, you can download our latest regression test set at http://webdocs.cs.ualberta.ca/~shihchie/seki-and-two-safe-groups-regression-test.zip which was updated with 1. Newest, bug-free gogui-adapter.jar. 2. Fixed case11.sgf of the seki test set. 3. genmove version of

Re: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2012-05-17 Thread Rémi Coulom
Now with the correct e-mail address. On 17 mai 2012, at 16:43, Rémi Coulom wrote: I took a closer look at the games. 19 is hanezeki: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Hanezeki I don't worry too much about that. Did this ever occur in a real game? I would recommend using non-integer komi for your

Re: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2012-05-17 Thread Aja Huang
Hi Olivier, Yes that's our plan. We will appreciate very much if you could participate in our regression test and contribute Mogo's results. It will be interesting to see Mogo's performance of these test cases on large simulations like 1M, 2M, 4M or even 32M over a mega cluster/strong machine.

Re: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2012-05-17 Thread Aja Huang
Hi Rémi, Yes, you are right. Case11 is not correct. I have fixed it. Case19 is Hanezeki that might never occur in real games. The purpose of this search is to explore some limitations of current MC Go programs so Martin asked me to design the most difficult seki cases on the earth. Then I just

[Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2012-05-16 Thread Jacques Basaldúa
Hi Aja, The testing program codes different problems in the same sgf file like in: loadsgf sgf/seki/case1.sgf 4 14 genmove w #? [B2|J3] loadsgf sgf/seki/case1.sgf 6 16 genmove w #? [B2] If you ignore the move numbers, j3 is not even a legal move. Unfortunately, move

Re: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2012-05-16 Thread Aja Huang
Hi Jacques, We will appreciate very much if you could participate in our test. In the specification of GTP, about the command 'loadsgf' it says Board size and komi are set to the values given in the sgf file. Board configuration, number of captured stones, and move history are found by replaying

Re: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2012-05-16 Thread Aja Huang
By the way, to use gogui-adapter to translate 'loadsgf' the command is something like ./run.sh -p java -jar gogui-adapter.jar \PATH_TO_PROGRAM \ -t g_seki_moves.tst (use backslash character (\) to escape the quotes in the string) I used gogui-adapter to run pachi and Mogo as well because they

Re: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2012-05-16 Thread David Fotland
@dvandva.org Subject: Re: [Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go By the way, to use gogui-adapter to translate 'loadsgf' the command is something like ./run.sh -p java -jar gogui-adapter.jar \PATH_TO_PROGRAM \ -t g_seki_moves.tst (use

[Computer-go] A Regression test set for exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go

2012-05-14 Thread Aja Huang
Dear all, Martin Mueller and I are writing a paper about exploring some limitations of current MCTS programs in Go. For this purpose we have carefully designed a regression test set which consists of 20 seki and 15 two-safe-groups cases on 9x9 board. If you are interested, it is available at