Re: [PGP]: PGP 6.5.2 Random Number Generator (RNG) support

2000-02-05 Thread bram
[This is getting tiresome. Unless someone has something *new* to say, this is the end of the thread. --pm] On 3 Feb 2000, lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote: On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, Martin Minow wrote: http://www.cryptography.com/intelRNG.pdf. The one problem I have with the RNG, based on my

Re: [PGP]: PGP 6.5.2 Random Number Generator (RNG) support

2000-02-04 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
I'd like to tone this discussion down a bit and get back to basics. First of all, I am happy to thank Intel for finally releasing the hardware interface. I hadn't known about its release until this thread. I'm always grateful when someone does the right thing, even if it's late. Second, I

Re: [PGP]: PGP 6.5.2 Random Number Generator (RNG) support

2000-02-03 Thread lcs Mixmaster Remailer
On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, Martin Minow wrote: http://www.cryptography.com/intelRNG.pdf. The one problem I have with the RNG, based on my reading of the analysis, is that programmers cannot access the "raw" bitstream, only the stream after the "digital post-processing" that converts the

Re: [PGP]: PGP 6.5.2 Random Number Generator (RNG) support

2000-02-03 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:15 AM 02/02/2000 -0800, Eric Murray wrote: Until Intel releases the design for the RNG, I would treat it the same as any suspect source of entropy- assume that it can contain no entropy. That means that you whiten its output before mixing it together with your other entropy sources (some

RE: [PGP]: PGP 6.5.2 Random Number Generator (RNG) support

2000-02-03 Thread lcs Mixmaster Remailer
Lucky Green writes: Your post is the third or forth post I have seen in the last year that claims that Paul concluded that Intel's RNG outputs strong random numbers. Such as when they said (http://www.cryptography.com/intelRNG.pdf): Cryptographically, we believe that the Intel RNG is

Re: [PGP]: PGP 6.5.2 Random Number Generator (RNG) support

2000-02-02 Thread Dave Del Torto
At 6:19 pm -0500 2000-01-26, Tom McCune wrote: Just in case anyone else is interested in my findings on whether I could use the Intel RNG with my Celeron machine: I needed help to find the driver installation file at the Dell site - I had searched for Intel RNG, but it can be found by searching

Re: [PGP]: PGP 6.5.2 Random Number Generator (RNG) support

2000-02-02 Thread lcs Mixmaster Remailer
It may not have been mentioned here, but Intel has released the programmer interface specs to their RNG, at http://developer.intel.com/design/chipsets/manuals/298029.pdf. Nothing prevents the device from being used in Linux /dev/random now. As for the concerns about back doors, the best

Re: [PGP]: PGP 6.5.2 Random Number Generator (RNG) support

2000-02-02 Thread Martin Minow
lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote: As for the concerns about back doors, the best reference on the design of the RNG remains cryptography.com's analysis at http://www.cryptography.com/intelRNG.pdf. The one problem I have with the RNG, based on my reading of the analysis, is that programmers

Re: [PGP]: PGP 6.5.2 Random Number Generator (RNG) support

2000-02-02 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 9:00 PM + 2/2/2000, lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote: It may not have been mentioned here, but Intel has released the programmer interface specs to their RNG, at http://developer.intel.com/design/chipsets/manuals/298029.pdf. Nothing prevents the device from being used in Linux /dev/random now.

RE: [PGP]: PGP 6.5.2 Random Number Generator (RNG) support

2000-02-02 Thread Jeff Gilchrist
-Original Message- From: Arnold G. Reinhold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 5:14 PM To: lcs Mixmaster Remailer; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PGP]: PGP 6.5.2 Random Number Generator (RNG) support I respect Paul, but there is a matter of principle here

Re: [PGP]: PGP 6.5.2 Random Number Generator (RNG) support

2000-02-02 Thread bram
On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, Martin Minow wrote: http://www.cryptography.com/intelRNG.pdf. The one problem I have with the RNG, based on my reading of the analysis, is that programmers cannot access the "raw" bitstream, only the stream after the "digital post-processing" that converts the

Re: [PGP]: PGP 6.5.2 Random Number Generator (RNG) support

2000-02-02 Thread Eric Murray
On Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 09:00:33PM -0800, Dave Del Torto wrote: At 6:19 pm -0500 2000-01-26, Tom McCune wrote: Just in case anyone else is interested in my findings on whether I could use the Intel RNG with my Celeron machine: I needed help to find the driver installation file at the Dell

Re: [PGP]: PGP 6.5.2 Random Number Generator (RNG) support

2000-02-02 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 9:15 AM -0800 2/2/2000, Eric Murray wrote: On Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 09:00:33PM -0800, Dave Del Torto wrote: At 6:19 pm -0500 2000-01-26, Tom McCune wrote: ... (A) I'm not sanguine about it being a "default" in any version of PGP, knowing what I do and having been told more by