[CTRL] A Flaw Worse Than Melissa

1999-08-27 Thread Nicola Molloy

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A Flaw Worse Than Melissa'
 by Declan McCullagh

http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/21459.html
Rest of story



 4:50 p.m.  26.Aug.99.PDT
 WASHINGTON -- A team of computer scientists has
discovered a
 bug in many Microsoft Windows computers that lets
an attacker take
 control of a PC by sending an email message.

 The security hole, present in most copies of
Windows 95 and all
 versions of Windows 98, would allow a malcontent to
conceal
 malicious computer code in an email message or Web
page that can
 surreptitiously modify files, reformat a hard
drive, or execute any
 DOS command. A Flaw Worse Than Melissa'
 by Declan McCullagh

 4:50 p.m.  26.Aug.99.PDT
 WASHINGTON -- A team of computer scientists has
discovered a
 bug in many Microsoft Windows computers that lets
an attacker take
 control of a PC by sending an email message.

 The security hole, present in most copies of
Windows 95 and all
 versions of Windows 98, would allow a malcontent to
conceal
 malicious computer code in an email message or Web
page that can
 surreptitiously modify files, reformat a hard
drive, or execute any
 DOS command.

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Re: [CTRL] A Flaw Worse Than Melissa

1999-08-27 Thread Das GOAT

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In a message dated 99-08-27 02:57:33 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 WASHINGTON -- A team of computer scientists has discovered a
 bug in many Microsoft Windows computers that lets an attacker take
 control of a PC by sending an email message.
 The security hole, present in most copies of Windows 95 and all
  versions of Windows 98, would allow a malcontent to conceal
 malicious computer code in an email message or Web page that can
 surreptitiously modify files, reformat a hard drive, or execute any command.

Bug?  I think not.  Bill Gates has worked with (for?) the NSA for a LONG time,
in order to assure himself further billions without fear of antitrust
prosecution.

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[CTRL] Home Depot: No oldgrowth products / 2 EPA officials indicted: false documents

1999-08-27 Thread Dave

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HOME DEPOT TO PHASE OUT PRODUCTS FROM ENDANGERED FORESTS

ATLANTA, Georgia, August 26, 1999 (ENS) - The Home Depot, the world's
largest home improvement retailer, used its 20th anniversary celebration
today to announce a policy change on wood sourcing. President and CEO
Arthur Blank told Home Depot associates the company will phase out the sale
of wood products from old growth forests over the next three years.
Environmentalists hailed the decision as a victory for their campaign.
Copyright Environment News Service (ENS) 1999
For full text and graphics visit:
http://ens.lycos.com/ens/aug99/1999L-08-26-05.html


TWO EPA OFFICIALS INDICTED FOR PLANTING FALSE DOCUMENTS

Two employees of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency were indicted
Wednesday on charges of obstruction of justice, conspiracy to obstruct
justice and perjury, the Department of Justice announced. Marc Radell of the
Region III Office of Regional Counsel in Philadelphia, and Claudia Johnson
of the Region V Water Division in Chicago, were each indicted on four felony
counts arising from allegations of criminal conduct that surfaced during
federal civil cases in Wisconsin. In January 1996, EPA Region V granted
three Wisconsin Indian Tribes the authority under federal environmental law
to determine the quality of surface waters within their reservations. The
State of Wisconsin filed lawsuits in federal district court challenging the
EPA’s decisions. The indictments charge that during the course of the
litigation, Radell, an attorney, and Johnson created and backdated EPA
documents, and then stated in affidavits and during depositions that the
documents existed prior to the time that the EPA made its decisions
regarding the three tribes. The lawsuits were later dismissed, and the EPA
was ordered to pay Wisconsin and other parties about $369,000 in attorney’s
fees and costs. Each defendant, if convicted on all counts, faces a maximum
penalty of 30 years in prison and a fine of up to $1 million.
http://ens.lycos.com/ens/aug99/1999L-08-26-09.html

EUROPE STRENGTHENS RENEWABLE ENERGY SECTOR

WASHINGTON, DC, August 26, 1999 (ENS) - Aggressive promotion of renewable
energies in the European Union over the past decade is narrowing the gap of
installed green energy capacity between Europe and the United States.
Copyright Environment News Service (ENS) 1999
For full text and graphics visit:
http://ens.lycos.com/ens/aug99/1999L-08-26-03.html

***
ENVIRONMENT NEWS SERVICE AMERISCAN: AUGUST 26, 1999

Two EPA Officials Indicted for Planting False Documents

California Burning

Lawsuit Says Border Patrol Endangers Wild Cats

Hog Waste Spill Penalized by $40,650 Fine

Babbitt Sued Over Southwestern Frog, Fish

New Wildlife Refuge In Kankakee River Basin

Oklahoman Gets 12 Months For Stealing Elk

Protesters Call for Shutdown of Vermont Nuclear Plant

New Solvent Process Mixes Oil With Hot Water

Hybrid Corn Can Cut Phosphorus Pollution From Chickens

Copyright Environment News Service (ENS) 1999
For full text and graphics visit:
http://ens.lycos.com/ens/aug99/1999L-08-26-09.html

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[CTRL] FW: The Heritage Extra!

1999-08-27 Thread Dave

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forwarded...

Dave Hartley
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 5:48 PM

THE HERITAGE EXTRA!
August 26, 1999
http://www.heritage.org/

Welcome to the The Heritage Extra!,
your source for up-to-the-minute information from The
Heritage Foundation.

Policy Paper Released August 26, 1999

How Reliable are IMF Economic Forecasts?
by William W. Beach, Aaron B. Schavey, and Isabel M. Isidro

Last October, Congress passed the 1999 Omnibus Appropriations
Act, which, among other things, allocates $18 billion to the
International Monetary Fund (IMF). The passage of this bill
followed an intense debate on the effectiveness of the IMF,
as well as its capacity for reform to improve its performance.
To measure the IMF's effectiveness objectively, Heritage
analysts looked at the IMF's economic forecasts from 1971 to
1998 for various industrial countries and developing regions.
This report presents the results of Heritage's analysis.

http://www.heritage.org/library/cda/cda99-05.html

More on Asia
http://www.heritage.org/library/budget.html

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[CTRL] books info/disinfo history NWO control struggles

1999-08-27 Thread Dave

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books fer sale.  Interesting topics.

Dave Hartley
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to order any of the books below, click:
http://a-albionic.com/merchform2.html

Bloodlines of the Illuminati by Fritz Springmeier, 1999 Paperback, 598
pages, Order # $24.95

Finally, the quality paperback edition of this fascinating classic is
in-print, in-stock and ready to ship.  Though I remain doubious that an
official "Illuminati" secret society actually exists, the author has
certainly penned a valuable biography of a number of Ruling Class
Dynasties that certainly form an "Illuminati" in the generic sense.  Well
worth reading and adding to your library for reference

The Lost Treasure of Eris or How Eris Found Me, and What She Did to Me,:
When She Found Me. ? ! ?  1987 Paperback, 41 pages, Order # $25.00

Classic from the Discordian social de-engineering group.

The Lucifer Principle:  A Scientific Expedition into the Forces of History
by Howard Bloom, 1995 Paperback, 466 pages, Order # $15.00

  Profound treatment of the concept to "social organism" from a scientific
viewpoint of competition between teams of organisms in nature and Dawkins'
concept of the meme.  Identifies the frustrating power of the collective
in human history allegorized as "Luciferian" principle of Religion and
Myth.

  Must reading for anyone exploring flowering concepts of social organism,
complexity theory, memetic fields, macrobes, metazones, etc.

Strange Case of Francis Tidir:  Investigated by Parker Woodward, 1901
Xerox, 177 pages, Order # $28.50

Classic work on the thesis that Francis Bacon was the illegitimate son of
Queen Elizabeth I.  Did Francis Bacon found the "modernist, anti-Vatican
conspiracy" through his writings (including Shakespeare and Spenser) and
through joining/leading/organizing the Masons, Rosicrucian, Royal Society,
and British colonies in North America?

Temple and the Lodge by Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh, 1989 Paperback,
306 pages, Order # $13.95

Important evidence tracing Masonry to the Templars.  Very important
information on the founding of the Grand Lodge in England in 1717
indicating a take-over by the Judeo-Masonic-Protestant British Crown of a
nominally Catholic, marginally heretical underground descending from the
Templars for conversion into a world-wide anti-Vatican intelligence
apparatus.


Duncan's Ritual of Freemasonry:  Guide to the Three Symbolic Degrees of
the Ancient York Rite by Malcolm C. Duncan, Hardcover, 281 pages, Order #
$38.00

Manual for Freemasons.  Rituals described in detail.

Fire in the Minds of Men:  Origins of the Revolutionary Faith by James H.
Billington, 1980 Paperback, 722 pages, Order # $29.95

Are political revolutions, descending from the activities of
Illuminist/Masonic secret societies, the secular religions of our time?
Encyclopedic treatment of the revolutionary faith from its earliest
origins in occult Freemasonry to the allegedly "scientific Marxism" of
today.  Must reading!

The AntiChrist and a Cup of Tea by Tim Cohen, 1998 Paperback, 444 pages,
Order # $19.95

The evidence that Prince Charles is the Anti-Christ prophesied in the
Bible.

The British Raj:  The Documentary History Series by Denis Judd, 1972
Hardcover, 128 pages, Order # $45.00

Illustrated standard history of British rule in India.

Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars:  An Introductory Programming Manual - Top
Secret Confidential  1979 Pamphlet, 56 pages, Order # $12.00

This document attempts to masquerade as several chapters out of a top
secret National Security Council Operations Research Technical Manual.
However, its style and emphasis quickly gives it away as a
political-economic romance-satire in the tradition of Joly, the
Transcriber, and Colonel House.  However, its warning regarding the
subtle totalitarian potential of "operations research"
(social-economic mathematical modeling and manipulation) for
benefitting a covert elite at the expense of liberty, justice, and
prosperity is well taken.  Must reading!


1 Farewell America by James Hepburn, 1968 Spiral Bnd, 418 pages, Order #
$35.00

Infamous book from a mysterious company in Liechtenstein which claimed a
right-wing, H. L. Hunt, Birchite conspiracy to kill JFK.  US customs
agents initially prevented this book's entry into the US.

America Needs Your Verdict by Michael Kellett, 1999 Paperback, 567 pages,
Order # $37.00

Secrecy by Daniel Patrick Moynihan, 1998 Hardcover, 262 pages, Order #
$29.95

Moynihan gives his parting to shot to the culture of National Security
Secrecy that blights the Federal Government.  Reviews his struggle to
declassify the Venona project that decoded Communist Party USA-Soviet
Union communications during the Cold War.  Moynihan makes the point that
had these intercepts been released in the early 1950's the whole nightmare
of McCarthism would have been avoided and the Communist Conspiracy
defeated with ease, even on the liberal-left!

Spies, Traitors, and Moles:  

[CTRL] FW: (fwd) Results of Gun Control in Australia After One Year

1999-08-27 Thread Dave

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forwarded...

Dave Hartley
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From: "Solutions International" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:24:37 +

 Subject: Australia Gun Control 12 Months later Stats.

 Australia Crime Increases After Guns Are Confiscated
 Orange County Register
 Letters to the Editor Section
 8/4/99:

 It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were
 forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a
 program costing the government more than $500 million dollars.

 And now the results are in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2
 percent; Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-
 wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent). In the
 state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300 percent.
 Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in
 armed robbery with firearms (changed drastically in the past 12
 months). There has been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
 assaults of the elderly.

 Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how
 no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such
 monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in
 "ridding society of guns." Bet you wont see this data on the
 evening news or hear your governor or members of the state
 Assembly disseminating this information. It's time to state it
 plainly: Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and
 property and, yes, gun-control laws only affect the law-abiding
 citizens. Take note, Californians, before it's too late!

-
 -- End of forwarded message
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 -- Jeff --http://www.wellnow.com

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: *EXTREMELY URGENT/Full-scale assault by NWO/US to be ...

1999-08-27 Thread Das GOAT

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 This "urgent" message has been brought to you courtesy of the federal
government's "Operation White Horse," using provocateur-type disinformation
aimed at tricking those with potentially militant anti-government sentiments
into exposing themselves through subsequent responses on the 'Net (which is
of course is now being monitored to zero in on precisely such reactions).
 Those who thus reveal themselves will be "red flagged" by government
agencies for more intensive surveillance, their names added to the database
which determines who will REALLY be rounded up in the event of a declared
National Security Emergency.

 Beat the rush:  Be the first on your block to believe this "urgent
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crosshairs on the back -- saving the government a lot of trouble otherwise in
identifying potential Enemies of the State.

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[CTRL] CIA Drug Evidence sought by Congress for hearings on CIA Inspector General's Report Volume 2

1999-08-27 Thread David Crockett Williams

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This means that the CIA Inspector General's Report, Volume 2, will be
augmented by Congress with awaited evidence documents, from former Los
Angeles Police Department narcotics investigative officer Michael Ruppert,
to further substantiation of the IG's claims of CIA complicity in the
illegal drug trade which Ruppert says he can prove is still ongoing, on an
enormous scale, especially targeting inner city black populations to foster
drug and crime problems including the crack cocaine epidemic to destroy and
imprision the black community, and others, to fund covert guerrilla and
police operations, and to launder money for political campaigns and low cost
corporate loans to feed the Wall Street merger mania and keep stock market
profit-taking at artificially high levels.  The lawsuit referred to below is
the 15MAR99 (Ides of March) filed class action suit for actual and punitive
damages against the CIA and Dept of Justice for CIA's liability for the
financial losses of those communities, lead by citizens of South Central Los
Angeles and Oakland, California, and supported by recent unanimous
resolution of the Oakland City Council under the guidance of the former
California Governor and United States Presidential Candidate, Oakland Mayor
Jerry Brown.  This information conclusively links both Presidents Bush and
Clinton, with many other high US government officials, to this illicit CIA
protected drug trade (estimated at 80% of overall illicit drug market and
over $200 billion per year), as well as proof of suppressed videotaped
evidence from a 1985 DEA sting in which undercover officers sold multiple
kilograms of cocaine to Jeb and George W. Bush.  Mike has been on hundreds
of radio stations across the nation this week discussing these matters which
are summarized and documented on his website http://www.copvcia.com and
detailed in his monthly hardcopy newsletter, From The Wilderness,
subscriptions to which (and back issues) are available via his website and
which serve as his undervalued means of earning a living while, at the peril
of his life, he is doing his important ongoing factfinding and investigative
journalism, lecturing and teaching on these and related survival issue and
forgiveness messages which are all now uniting in the prayer for  "Global
Peace Now!" as a universal human resolve, and which will be carried by next
year's Global Peace Walk http://www.globalpeacenow.org from San Francisco's
UN Peace Memorial Building (January 15th, Martin Luther King birthday) to
the Washington Monument in DC, (Columbus Day) and ending in New York City
for October 24, 2000, with a United Nations 55th anniversary appeal for a
worldwide Global Peace Zone2000 and US election of only candidates in Y2000
who endorse the Global Peace Platform outlining survival issue solutions.
[The first great transcontinental PeaceMarch of the new millennium, with
Global PeaceMakers Opening Ceremony at Oakland City Hall, Noon on Sunday
January 9, 2000, (birthday anniversary of the late most venerable Nichidatsu
Fujii), passing through South Central Los Angeles on February 6th, Ronald
Reagan's and Bob Marley's birthday.

The Time Has Come, "Global Peace Now!", Global Peace Walk2000
Zoning for Peace.

David Crockett Williams
General Agency Services
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Global Emergency Alert Response
http://www.angelfire.com/on/GEAR2000


[fwd]
From: Mike Ruppert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CIA Drugs list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] Breaking News From House Intelligence Committee
Date: Thursday, August 26, 1999 3:32 PM

From: "Mike Ruppert" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Today I received a letter from Porter Goss, Chairman of the House Permanent
Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) indicating that the committee is
requesting from me "the thousands of additional pages" of information I have
written them that I have on the subject of CIA and drugs. In my response to
their letter, published in the June issue of FTW, which indicated that they
intended to close out the investigation, I told them that in the absence of
both an open and public hearing and a full examination of all the material,
the committee had not fulfilled its obligations.

In the letter received today HPSCI indicated that they were offering to pay
for the copying and mailing expenses.

What this means is that we - through the efforts of Bill Simpich and Katya
Komisaruk - have effectively prevented HPSCI from closing out this issue
before the 2000 campaign gets underway. I intend to comply with the
Committee's request, in an expeditious fashion, as soon as I determine that
the Committee doesn't intend to bankrupt me over the expense and keep me
waiting for months for reimbursement.

This is truly great news and should serve as a warning to all those who say,
"There's nothing you can do to fight it."

I have quoted the salient passages from the HPSCI letter below.

For the record I will not be answering e-mails until after I meet the
publishing deadline for the 

[CTRL] Delta Force had active role in raid, ex-CIA officer told (fwd)

1999-08-27 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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http://www.dallasnews.com/texas_southwest/0827tsw1delta.htm

Delta Force had active role in raid, ex-CIA officer told

   08/27/99

   By Lee Hancock / The Dallas Morning News

   © 1999, The Dallas Morning News

   A former CIA officer said Thursday that he learned from
   Delta Force commandos that members of the secret
   Army unit were "present, up front and close" in helping
   the FBI in the final tear-gas assault on the Branch
   Davidian compound.

   The former officer, Gene Cullen, told The Dallas
   Morning News that he heard the detailed accounts of the
   military's active involvement from "three or four"
   anti-terrorist Delta commandos as he worked with them
   on an overseas assignment in 1993.

   "Whether it's the macho-bravo-type talk of guys in the
   field, I don't know," he said, declining to identify the
   individuals involved. "I have no reason to suspect that
   they lied. And it didn't just come from one of them. There
   were three or four guys that confirmed that, who were
   from Delta."

   The chairman of the Texas Department of Public Safety
   on Thursday told The News that evidence in the hands of
   Texas law enforcement personnel may support the
   account given to Mr. Cullen.

   "I'm advised there is some evidence that may
   corroborate" the allegation that Delta Force participated
   in the assault, said James B. Francis Jr., the DPS
   official.

   A Pentagon spokesman who spoke on condition of
   anonymity denied Thursday that any U.S. military units
   were involved in the assault, "as far as I know."

   Use of active military personnel against civilians
   without a specific presidential decree is a violation of
   federal law.

   The spokesman confirmed that three Defense Department
   "observers" whom he declined to identify were in Waco
   on April 19, 1993, the day that an FBI tear-gas assault
   ended in a fire that consumed the compound. Branch
   Davidian leader David Koresh and more than 80
   followers died in the fire, which arson investigators
   ruled was deliberately set by sect members.

   The spokesman said Pentagon policy barred him from
   any public discussion of Delta Force, even the
   possibility of its existence.

   A once-classified memo written to the Army Special
   Forces command, which includes Delta Force, indicated
   that three of its personnel watched the final tragedy
   unfold. The May 1993 memo stated that the observers
   did not participate and were warned not to videotape
   anything that happened.

   Mr. Francis said evidence in the hands of Texas law
   enforcement suggests that more than three Delta Force
   personnel were at the compound on April 19 and
   involved in the assault.

   "I have been advised that there are some police officers
   who have developed some evidence that needs looking
   into with regard to what the role of Delta Force was at
   the Branch Davidian compound," he said, declining to
   elaborate.

   "I think it's a subject that the FBI director and the
   attorney general need to look into," Mr. Francis said.
   "The $64 question is whether they were advisory or
   operational, and I think some of the evidence is
   problematical."

   Talk to Pentagon

   An FBI spokesman in Washington said he had been
   instructed by the Department of Justice to refer all
   questions on the presence of Delta Force to the Pentagon.

   Tron Brekke, FBI spokesman, added that he could not
   say whether Delta Force might have been actively
   assisting the FBI in any way in Waco "because I don't
   think anybody knows."

   "That's part of the reason that the attorney general and the
   director are, in a very expeditious manner, going to have
   40 assistant inspectors and whoever is chosen to lead
   them come down and find out definitively what did
   happen," he said. "I don't know what was done or wasn't
   done down there."

   On Wednesday, the FBI announced that a full inquiry
   was being launched to explain the use of pyrotechnic
   

Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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While I'm not excusing the Clinton Administration, one DOES have to keep
in mind that they just took over a situation that was already in place
thanks to the Bush Administration...



June ;-)

*===*
 If we listened to our intellect, we'd never have a love affair.  We'd
 never have a friendship.  We'd never go into business, because we'd be
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: ...he casually stuck my tooter up his nose.

1999-08-27 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 Is it just Inside Cover, or has anybody else noticed that reporters have
 suddenly cooled on their favorite pursuit: hounding George W. on the cocaine
 question?

 Maybe it's the recent surveys showing Americans don't care if Bush Jr. used
 the drug a generation ago? But more probably it's the fact that the press'
 own double standard has become so blatantly apparent that even they now
 worry about seeming unfair.

 Reporters have been slammed lately for not going after President Clinton on
 the same question -- and the entire U.S. media knows it risks a credibility
 crisis should the Bush bashing continue. 

I know it's nearly irresistable to travel the well worn path, but what
Clinton might or might not have done is pretty close to irrelevant at this
point.  What George Bush might or might not have done years ago is not
important either, but what he has been doing since he has been governor of
Texas is another matter.

Why is most of the media so silent on "Deadgate"?  If Ivins and Press are
right, it appears that Dubya can be bought.  It is almost certain that he
lied in an affidavit sworn before Notary Public Ofelia S. Vanden Bosch, when
he was trying to convince the court he should not be a witness in Eliza May's
suit against Texas and Service Corporation International (the world's largest
funeral chain), including its CEO, Robert L. Waltrip, a very close Bush
family friend and staunch contributor to Bush's gubernatorial campaigns.  It
appears that in spite of Dubya's influence, May's investigation of improper
embalming practices (a woman reported that when she went to lay flowers on
her son's grave, the family mausoleum was infested with gnats and a foul,
maroon-colored liquid was leaking from his crypt) continued, and she fined
SCI $450,000.  She was immediately fired.  Now since Mr. Waltrip has
contributed $l00,000 to ex-prez Bush's library, given $45,000 to Dubya's
campaigns and loaned his corporate jet on occasion, he probably feels he
should not have to pay any more.  As Bill Press says, "Only further
investigation will tell whether Deadgate is just the case of one more sleazy
politician giving special treatment to a fatcat contributor, or of one more
elected official lying under oath."
Oh well, political business as usual.  No wonder the establishment media blew
the horn so loud about ancient cocaine use.  Much better everybody blather on
about that than about what Gov. Bush has been doing for his good friends
while serving the good folks of Texas.  Prudy

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[CTRL] From Waco to Kosovo (fwd)

1999-08-27 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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 From Waco to Kosovo
 by Thomas Fleming

http://www.inwave.com/~webmastr/main.html

http://www.inwave.com/~webmastr/Kosovo052499.html

When Janet Reno sent in the FBI to fry the women and children in
the Branch Davidian home, I was in Italy covering the Lega Nord.
Stunned by what I read in the Italian press, I told my friends
that a turning-point in American history had been reached: if t
he American people did not rise up and throw the rascals out, if
Janet Reno and her colleagues were not put on trial for murder,
there would be no hope of restoring the republic. The Italians
were not shocked by my remarks: they assumed the worst.
Intelligent Europeans were already learning to fear the violence
of the new American empire and many people who knew the truth of
what the US did in Bosnia compared US airstrikes with Waco.

But Bosnia was nothing compared with Kosovo, where every day NATO
airstrik es are taking out power plants, bombing schools and
hospitals, and murdering civilians. When the news is finally
reported, the Julius Streichers of the regime, Jamie Shea and
Jamie Rubin, come on television to express regret for the
incident. Honest journ a lists, like Charley Reese on the right
and Alex Cockburn on the left, have denounced NATO aggression
from the beginning, and in the recent number of "Counter-Punch,"
Cockburn and his partner, Jeffrey St. Clair, report on a grisly
connection between Waco and Kosovo: the sinister NATO commander,
Wesley Clark. During the Waco stand-off, apparently, Governor
Anne Richards asked Clark, who was then commander of Ft. Hood,
for advice. The answer came through his subordinates: take out
the leader. Cockburn and St. Clair comment:

   Certainly the Waco onslaught bears characteristics
   typical of Gen. Wesley Clark: the eagerness to take out
   the leader (viz., the Clark-ordered bombing of
   Milosevich's private residence); the utter disregard for
   the lives of innocent men, women, and children,; the
   arrogant miscalculations about the effects of force;
   disregard for law, whether of the Posse Comitatus Act
   governing military actions within the United States or,
   abroad, the purview of the Nuremberg laws on war
   crimes and attacks on civilians.

Speaking of the bombing the presidential residence of Slobodan
Milosevic: As our government must have known, neither Milosevic
nor his government actually owned the house. It belongs to
Dragomir Acovic, a leading Serb architect who happens t o be
royalist, an anti-Communist, and a bitter opponent of the
Milosevic government. The suit to recover his property had been
working its way through the Yugoslav courts, but it seems
pointless now. In the first week of the bombing, I asked Mr.
Acovic to respond to Clinton's statement that he was not making
war on the people of Yugoslavia but only against Milosevic. He
said his answer was not appropriate for polite company.

The Arkansas Mafia's contempt for international law was
underscored by an article in the CHICAGO TRIBUNE, Monday, May 10,
1999, by a former Nuremberg prosecutor, Walter Rockler:

   For the United States, alias "NATO," the planning and
   launching of this war by the president heightens the
   abuse and undermining of warmaking authority under
   the Constitution The bombing war also violates and
   shreds the basic provisions of the United Nations
   Charter and other conventions and treaties; the attack on
   Yugoslavia constitutes the most brazen international
   aggression since the Nazis attacked Poland to prevent
   "Polish atrocities" against Germans. The United States
   has discarded pretensions to international legality and
   decency, and embarked on a course of raw imperialism
   run amok.

Rockler goes on to contrast our alleged concern for human rights
with the fact that "we dropped twice as many bombs on Vietnam as
all the countries involved in World War II dropped on each
other," killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in the
process. We went on to sponsor and train local armies and death
squads in Central America and saw nothing wrong [i.e. aided and
abetted] the Croat slaughter and expulsion of 200,000 Serbs from
the Krajina area."

Thomas Fleming

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: WACO: More Evidence Questions

1999-08-27 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 08/27/1999 1:41:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 1) What "FBI supervisors" approved
 the use of these pyrotechnic devices? 

Yesterday at one point during an interview (no idea with whom) on one
television news station, I heard someone say something that sounded like "It
might have been Ricks from Oklahoma City."  I know Ricks is in Oklahoma City
now, but was he based there before Waco?  If so, it goes a long way towards
explaining what happened.  Anybody out there with real information about
Ricks?  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: WACO: More Evidence Questions

1999-08-27 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 08/27/1999 1:41:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   Two days ago the deputy assistant FBI director at
   the time of the Waco siege, Danny Coulson, admitted
   that the FBI did use two pyrotechnic devices during
   the final siege on April 19, 1993. [2] But he claims,
   that they were used away from the main building,
   hours before the fire -- a claim that the official
   FLIR video suggest does not apply to devices other
   than the two devices Coulson refers to. His admission
   came after the discovery of what appears to be two
   pyrotechnic devices in previously-hidden debris. [3] 

Great timing, Danny.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] [Pentagon policy barred... any public discussion of Delta ...

1999-08-27 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 08/27/1999 2:07:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 The former officer, Gene Cullen, tells the paper that heard detailed
 accounts of the military's active involvement from "three or four"
 anti-terrorist Delta commandos as he worked with them on an overseas
 assignment in 1993.

 The paper reports evidence in the hands of Texas law enforcement personnel
 may support the account given to Cullen.

 "I'm advised there is some evidence that may corroborate" the allegation
 that Delta Force participated in the assault, said James B. Francis Jr.,
 chair of the Texas Department of Public Safety.

 A Pentagon spokesman who spoke on condition of anonymity denied Thursday
 that any U.S. military units were involved in the assault, "as far as I
 know."

 [Pentagon policy barred him from any public discussion of Delta Force, even
 the possibility of its existence.]

 Meanwhile, any U.S. military assistance at the April 1993 Waco siege was
 justified, according to the General Accounting Office. 

The little men who weren't there.  Well we didn't have any military in Laos
(and places like that), and we don't have any in South or Central America,
and I can remember when Congressmen sent angry letters in response to
military grievances from certain posts in Turkey.  They said there were no
military stationed there.  It was always such a surprise to the guys
involved.  Would your Government lie to you?  Of course not.  Besides, if GAO
says it was justified, who are we to argue?If our military takes arms
against its own citizens, isn't that justifiable?   GAO says it is.  Would
our Government lie to us?   Ask any retired military man?  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 08/27/1999 2:12:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   For years, the Pentagon refused to acknowledge Delta Force's
 existence, even as such public failures as Desert One and Somalia came to
 light. Now, the military admits there is such a 400-man unit trained in a
 fenced area of Fort Bragg, N.C., home to the Joint Special Operations
 Command. But its work still remains top secret. 

Yes, and unfortunately they don't appear to be very good at what they do.
Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) Election Context in East Timor

1999-08-27 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 08/27/1999 2:21:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Monday's UN-organized referendum on self-determination
 approaches. In
 1975, Indonesia invaded East Timor with tacit U.S. backing. In
 the 24
 years since, 200,000 people have died, a third of the
 population. 

We're always nice to our "rich" friends.  I believe Idi Amin (sp?) was our
friend also.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] vietnam pictures

1999-08-27 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 08/27/1999 2:39:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  General Loan died a year and a month ago. He left a wife and five kids.
 Most of the obituaries were, like the photograph that ruined his life, two
 dimensional and unforgiving. Williams sent flowers with a card that read,
 "I'm sorry. There are tears in my eyes." 

It is clearly true from this posting that the Press (Williams included)
frequently let us down.  What they do not do is give us the "whole" story.
One gets the sense of a child flicking a flashlight on an off and turning
around slowly as he does so.  Perhaps it is not the photographers and
reporters, but the editors, or even the publishers who leave us with the "a
little knowledge is a dangerous thing" syndrome.  Anyone wishing to view a
symptom of the problem need only turn on a television set to CNN.  He or she
will be treated to the story of the week or the stock reports while a two
liner about something you really would like to know about flashes quickly
across the bottom of the screen.  Perhaps when we ask the time, we do not
really want to know how to build a watch, but we might like to know who built
one, if it was a good product, and if wearing it will be harmful to our
health.  It is the media that decided we should only know or see the tip of
the iceberg.  Getting more is one of the most difficult problems we have
today.  Why didn't our photographer do a book about his general?  Why if he
tried, would no one publish it?   Anything that stopped the war in Vietnam is
a good thing, but there is no reason for anyone to be persecuted for actions
taken in war that are relative to fighting the enemy.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread K

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 While I'm not excusing the Clinton Administration, one DOES have to
 keep in mind that they just took over a situation that was already in
 place thanks to the Bush Administration...




Yeah, right.  The "situation" of a bunch of "cult members" (defined
as a religion without any political power) living together on a farm
minding their own business.  If their leader was wanted for any
crimes, he could have been picked up any day during his daily jog.

Kathleen

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committed by a state against its own citizens . . ." - Forensic
Anthropologist Clyde Snow


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Re: [CTRL] Poll-Ooo-Shun

1999-08-27 Thread piper

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This is not proof read - I do a good job in just
getting some things posted.  Will redo this for the
web site, though most of the basic ideas are already
on my web site
.

Japan backing Aspartame and Monsanto
needs to stop.  But to think that they are the
majority?  Not with the way they are using
antibiotic soap and poisoning their area too.

They need to do a through study
of the managial system but they need to start
studying history with Charlegmegne.

-- Now to go on to the rest of my thread --

With the potential of intananious transportation
one central food point - saying that food has to be
irradiated, so that people do not realize that humans
could be transported (maybe even a brain being
"exchanged" on the move) -- anyway
a food monopoly - with food and supplies being
delivered to you house.  They will know all additives
so that they can keep track of how human "lab rats"
react to the chemicals.  The best "lab rats" would be
blond, blue eyed ones (like in Ice Land or the Aryans)
that do not have all those extra (pesky) genes to worry
about.

1960' TV slowed it
satellite TV slowed things
the Internet stands in the way

Over seas things have happened like
infants developing breasts.  Dioxins are
having to be fazed out!  It takes three years to
be certified organic, yet there are already some
farms that are.  When the full dioxin / hormone
-- dioxin and other chemicals - like herbicides, pesticides,
chlorine, and fluoride that we get from plants and animals.
thing lands on us, farmers will have no warning
since the EPA will not be allowed to post these
farms or their products as polluters, so they will
lose their farms.  Even if they do go organic, have
you noticed how many smaller grocery stores are
going under?  Where will the farmers sell their produce?

someone is looking at the potential of putting matter transmission
online but before they do that they are putting in irradiation and
using antibiotics, and hormones with animals and
pesticides, herbicides in food to kill the good
bacteria so that e-coli can flourish.  Getting the
meat packing plants, who owns the banks that
are foreclosing on the farm land?

Why now?  Space travel and the fact that soon education
will be a in-fad and lame brains will get shown up for
what they are, so the lame brains are going for the monopolies now!
Also they are thinking what would someone
do if they were sued for a persons potential earnings
if that person would have lived 1, 2, or 3 hundred years -
Now you know why Zero population growth and why
children are surplus.  There are some definite reasons
why those lame brains should not do their monopoly!

When NASA needs people that have multiple degrees people
should not be weeded out in the lower grades.  Where would we
be in space travel if solar had really been allowed to take off.  Also
when many of the aging population could be the ones to help get
space habitat going, what could be another reason why this is
happening?  Because they need to thin out some of their
mistakes - and if they can own the world while they are at
it, they think so much the better.  Life is diversity, and
they advocate getting rid of many of the different ethics.
We need the diversity and to study how different areas
have adapted to their bacteria.

*Nazi white lab rats called Aryans could realize that nutrition is
  the main reason for IQ -not- genetics.
*That many people
  would not have the time for "hate crimes".
*That you can give people back their history
  - no matter how blood thirsty without a continuance
  of old feuds since - it seems as if bacteria is the main
  reason for the feuds.
** consider:  Bacteria is male and female in one organism.
They spar with their male organs, The one that gets speared
is the one that has to use it's resources to replicate.
-- high survival index? !!
Bacteria is a part of every organism from plants to animals and humans.
Humans have bacteria in their stomachs that help them
digest food and if that bacteria were not there you would
die.  Animals have to be more interesting than plants from a bacterial
point of view,
1) but plants can live longer
2) do not need animals to survive
we need plants to survive
3) can live anywhere in the world
which life form would bacteria protect?

Any time a major center of civilization has
been put together, compiled or collected it has
been destroyed.  WHY?  Because they started
bogarting their fertilizer
Majority rules - and humans are not the majority,
also since we seem to be nothing more than
walking fertilizer units - does it matter if we are
educated or not?  With the amount of interesting
bacteria coming in from outer space it seems as
if that basic survival index would want to try to
go to the source - but not at the risk of being
killed here.  By my thinking this would
mean that many of the Europeans that came to
the New World (America) *New World Order*
Were homicidal 

Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread Ric Carter

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 While I'm not excusing the Clinton Administration, one DOES have
 to keep in mind that they just took over a situation that was
 already in place thanks to the Bush Administration...

Yup, the same crew that engineered Ruby Ridge previously.  The same
Reagan/Bush Sr. teams effectively ran DoJ, FBI, CIA, et al, for some
months after Clinton took office - and may still run those agencies,
if Reno's claim of being kept in the dark is accurate.  Has Bush Sr.
maintained operative control ever since his stint as DCI?  Do these
agencies operate on their own, regardless of who occupies the White
House?  Who engineered 'NannyGate', which ensured that ineffective
Reno would be the figurehead at DoJ?  What'll be engineered to
ensure that Bush Jr. is the next figurehead in the White House?

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Re: [CTRL] Misc-ing Links

1999-08-27 Thread piper

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Do you know of some good sites
that compare / define
Democracy
Communism
ect?
Mark Twain's writings on the War of the Philippines
and researching the Spanish American war helped too.

Alamaine Ratliff wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 From www.fed-soc.org/prerequisites.htm

  THE CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERTARIAN PRE-LAW READING LIST:
 
  An Introduction to American Law for Undergraduates and Others
 
  Michael DeBow
  Roger Clegg
 
  This web site offers an annotated reading list designed to give
  beginning students of the American legal system a basic
  understanding of the fundamentals of that system, and an
  appreciation of the role the legal system has played in America's
  achievement of levels of freedom and material abundance beyond
  anything the world had previously seen.
 
  A student encountering the legal system for the first time can
  find it a foreboding subject - complex, technical, deep. Our goal
  here is to demonstrate that, at one level of understanding, quite
  the opposite is true. The American legal system, properly
  understood, depends on a few basic concepts that can be quickly
  grasped by a serious student. The most important of these
  concepts are private property ownership, freedom of contract, and
  limited government. PictureWhy should anyone bother to learn
  anything of these ideas? We offer three answers to this question.
  The first has to do with gratitude. Given that many people
  sacrificed all or a portion of their lives to bequeath us this
  governmental and economic system, it doesn't seem much to ask
  that we at least understand how it works.

 Via Bruce Calder's This Day in History

  -France-
  Europe takes a giant step towards ensuring a lasting peace today
  as delegates from 15 countries, meeting in the French Foreign
  Ministry in Paris, sign a Pact for the Renunciation of War. Using
  a large gold pen, Gustav Stresemann, the German Foreign Minister
  is the first to sign, prompting loud cheering. The agreement is
  largely the work of Frank Kellogg, the US Secretary of State, in
  collaboration with Aristide Briand, the French Foreign Minister.
  Eventually, 62 countries will sign the pact. Briand had proposed
  that France and the USA should sign a treaty renouncing war as an
  instrument of national policy. Kellogg then suggested a
  multilateral pact to which all nations should have the
  opportunity of signing. The pact of course proves to be
  worthless.
 
  Encyclopedia.Com - Kellogg-Briand Pact
http://www.encyclopedia.com/articles/06886.html
  The Kellogg-Briand Pact and Associated Documents
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/kbpact/kbmenu.htm
  Briand, Aristide (1862-1932)
http://ukdb.web.aol.com/hutchinson/encyclopedia/01/M0018001.htm
  The World at War - 1889-1932
http://www.euronet.nl/users/wilfried/ww2/tot-1931.htm
  Calvin Coolidge (1923-1929) - Foreign Affairs
http://web-cr05.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/amex/presidents/nf/record/co
ol/coolfp .html
  The Diplomatic Prelude to the Second World War
http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~pv/courses/prewar/resources.html

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[CTRL] Fwd: [RuMills] Reply to VagabondVirgin from Rumor Mill News

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In a message dated 8/26/1999 3:58:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Subj: Re: [RuMills] RUMOR MILL NEWS IS BACK!
 Date:  8/26/1999 3:58:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time
 From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you truly wished the public to have this information, you would
 not be charging fees for it.

   You have lost your credibility with me.

   Please unsubscribe me.

  

May I ask how  you pay your bills?

Do you work or do you have someone who takes care of you?

Were you born wealthy?

Being married to Gunther Russbacher cost me everything I had ever accumulated
in life. All my sweet cherished treasures had to be sold for a fraction of
their worth to pay for lawyers, telephone bills, rent, food, etc.

I declared bankruptcy twice and I am still recovering.

I have not charged for the information on my webpage. It cost me over a
$1,000 to build the webpage. I doubt if I have sold $100.00 from it. I don't
have advertising on the web page. I  give away information that is far better
than what is in most of the books and videos you have on your shelves. Did
you buy these books? Or did the writers give them to you for free? Do you
expect all writers to write, edit, publish, and print their books so they can
 give them away for free? Where do you live? If this is the way it is in your
world, I would like to live there.

In a perfect society people wouldn't have to worry about food, clothing,
shelter, computers, webpages and Internet carriers... these would all be
provided for us by our benevolent government.

But since I do not live in a perfect world, I must do something in order to
make the money that I pour  into Rumor Mill News! Since you insist that I
GIVE AWAY my information, how do you think I should support myself?

If I do not charge for the books and tapes that are advertized on my webpage,
I will not have the money to pay my rent or my telephone bill... or the web
server...  or AOL indeed, I will not have the money to pay to print and
record the very tapes and manuscripts  that you want me to given away for
free! Or I guess you want me to transcribe the tapes and put them out over
the Internet. I wonder how many hours of my time you want me to devote to
doing this.

Do you want me to go back to work at a regular job to support my hobby? I did
this for several years. It is very hard burning the candle at both ends. I
came down with fibromyalgia. I can't work at a regular job now even if I
wanted to. I have a sleep disorder which is caused by the pain I am in
constantly. Even though I have cured myself of the worst part of the
fibromyalagia syndrome, I still am in pain, and because of this I cannot
sleep. Because I cannot sleep, I can no longer hold down a 9 to 5 job. It is
ver hard making ends meet when you cannot work... and now you want to force
me to give everything away for free.  As soon as you tell me how to pay the
bills I have incurred in order to continue publishing the Rumor Mill, I will
feel much better!

In order to create the Rumor Mill the way you see it, I had to charge
computers, scanners, printers, software and other things on my credit cards.
When I wrote and printed the book Diana, Queen of Heaven, it too went on my
credit cards. When I go to conferences where I lecture and then sell books
and tapes, I have to create an inventory of items this has to be put on
my credit cards.

I have been doing this for over 10 years now. Since I make no money off what
I do, I guess you could call this "my hobby". But it would be nice to have my
"hobby" support itself, instead of having me work a fulltime job to support
my "hobby".

If you still think I should give all my information away for free, then I
want you to come up with a way to pay the credit card payments, my rent and
telephone bills, as well as the Internet charges, the server, the webmaster
and the tape duplicator.

And as for putting the information on the Internet for free, this is usually
what I do. The article on JFK, Jr. is the first one that my Sources have told
me not to put out over the Internet.  Most of the information that I put on
the intenet is also printed in books. The books are sold to people who don't
have computers. Needless to say, not very many people buy my products because
only a select few are interested in the things I write about.

Maybe your letter is really a wake up call to me. Maybe God is using you to
tell me that I shouldn't be doing something that doesn't support me.  Or
maybe He is using you to tell me that I must come up with another way of
supporting the Rumor Mill. I don't even have advertizers on my web page. I
have people who want to advertize, but I haven't added any. Maybe I should.

If I could have released the JFK, Jr. information over the Internet, I would
have, but my Sources told me not to put it out over the Internet. I do not
understand why they told me this, but since they have saved my life many
times 

Re: [CTRL] Fw: HAARP - Who is Jeane Manning?

1999-08-27 Thread Dale Stonehouse

 -Caveat Lector-

This must be a joke, right?

Next are you going to ask about Nick Begich?

I believe they are Alaskan researchers and coauthors of a book on HAARP.

On Thursday, August 26, 1999 4:11 PM, Don Allen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:

 Who is Jeane Manning and what is her specific level of expertise?

 What is Jeane's experience with resonance?

 I'm just trying to understand why David posted this message
 from Jeane..anyone can post an opinion, but I'm keen to
 find out if she is connected with research in this area.

 Does Jean have any verifiable facts to add to the topic or HAARP?

 Don


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Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: K [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  While I'm not excusing the Clinton Administration, one DOES have to
  keep in mind that they just took over a situation that was already in
  place thanks to the Bush Administration...

 Yeah, right.  The "situation" of a bunch of "cult members" (defined
 as a religion without any political power) living together on a farm
 minding their own business.  If their leader was wanted for any
 crimes, he could have been picked up any day during his daily jog.

Sure, Koresh was minding his own business - dealing weapons and
fucking little girls.  Nice religion.  The lessons are:

 -- If you don't want gov't agencies to take too much interest in
  your religion, then don't deal weapons and don't take child brides;
 -- If your religion necessitates that you deal weapons and fuck
  little girls, and you don't want gov't interference, then you
  should accumulate sufficient political/economic power to deflect
  said interference; and/or, move to a remote, sheltered location
  where surveillance/attack are difficult; and/or, be circumspect -
  don't let anyone know where you are or what you're doing.
 -- If you MUST deal weapons AND screw kids AND be visible, be sure
  your funeral arrangements have been made.

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[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: Amazon.com Lists What's Selling Where

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

You know, the computerization of marketing happened YEARS ago. The databases
are amazing, and they are down to house level, not just zip codes.

When Lotus came out with a marketing database over ten years ago, they just
quietly stopped advertising it, cause folks were amazed at the info and
thought it was intrusive.

Om
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Amazon.com Lists What's Selling Where
  Privacy Concerns Spur Opt-Out Option

  By David Streitfeld
  Washington Post Staff Writer
  Friday, August 27, 1999; Page A01 

  "The Microsoft File: The Secret Case Against Bill Gates" is a 
bestseller among
  Microsoft employees. At MCI WorldCom, they're buying "The Electronic 
Day
  Trader." At the Library of Congress, "Gary Null's Ultimate 
Anti-Aging Program" is a
  hit. And at National Semiconductor, it's not just circuits: "101 
Nights of Grrreat Sex"
  is on the company's Top 10 list.

  All of this information is revealed by the online bookseller 
Amazon.com, which has
  started featuring thousands of individual bestseller lists 
calculated by Zip codes,
  workplaces and colleges -- wherever its customers are ordering from. 
With a simple
  mouse click on the company's World Wide Web site, you can peek 
behind the
  scenes at the books that specific groups are reading as well as the 
compact discs
  they're listening to and the videos they're watching.

  Amazon describes it as "fun" and happily announced it in a press 
release last week,
  which was followed by a number of media reports. Late yesterday, 
however, citing
  complaints from customers, the company backtracked significantly. 
Customers will
  now be able to opt out of the data collection by indicating that 
they don't want their
  purchases included. Companies will also be able to choose not to be 
included.

  If you work for the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. and want to buy 
a copy of the
  CD "Zoot Suit Riot: The Swingin' Hits of the Cherry Poppin' Daddies" 
-- and
  apparently many employees there do -- you will no longer have it 
chalked up
  statistically for all the world to see.

  The episode underscored again the unique power of Web technology to 
collect in
  vast detail about the likes, dislikes and buying habits of millions 
of consumers and
  zoom in on the data in ways unprecedented in the annals of marketing.

  "We're taking chances, we're innovating here," said Amazon spokesman 
Paul
  Capelli. "This program is building community and adding a unique 
feature that never
  could have existed before the Internet."

  The chief executive of the trade group to which Amazon belongs, the 
American
  Booksellers Association, had a different view. "This is outrageous," 
said Avin Mark
  Domnitz. "One of the things that people are afraid of with computers 
is that they are
  so powerful, and they collect extraordinary amounts of information 
about
  individuals. We could create an environment where people are afraid 
to go online."

  Domnitz's remarks were echoed by leading independent booksellers, 
who already
  were not among Amazon's great fans. "It's just one more step along 
the road to a
  complete loss of privacy for consumers," said Bill Petrocelli of 
Book Passage in
  Corte Madera, Calif.

  Andy Ross of Cody's, a large Berkeley store, said: "It's like 1984 
has arrived. What
  people are reading, thinking about, the ideas they're working with, 
should be
  completely confidential, but with Amazon they're not."

  No one interviewed yesterday was particularly bothered by Amazon 
compiling lists
  by individual Zip codes -- that's just a more specific version of 
the national and
  regional lists that have been a feature of the book trade for 
decades. Their concern
  was over the hundreds of lists specific to individual corporations, 
colleges and
  universities, and a sprinkling of nonprofit groups and government 
institutions.

  "You can't say there isn't a privacy invasion here," said Robert 
Biggerstaff of the
  National Association Mandating Equitable Databases, a consumer 
group. "It's not
  traced back to the individual, but they are invading the privacy 

[CTRL] watch TopStory at NRA Live

1999-08-27 Thread Bard

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http://www.nra.org/
d.c. gun buy-back program

spread this far and wide.

Bard

Visit me at:
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[CTRL] Gun testing poll

1999-08-27 Thread Bard

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Do you support Attorney General Reno's call for written and manual tests of
people who want to own guns?

 Yes, that sounds like a sensible plan for fighting violence
 No, it's pointless and the government may not impose conditions on
inalienable individual rights

http://civilliberty.about.com/library/blgpoll.htm?IN2PID=935774981.006250IN
2ID=935774981.006250TMog=7040029550907Mint=880487838102916

Bard

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[CTRL] *An Internet Memorial to the Immolation of the Branch Davidians*

1999-08-27 Thread Bard

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In Memory:

Check it out!
(let this first page load completely)
http://harvest-trust.org/
*
Waco Massacre
by William Cooper
http://216.221.173.225/
*
Overview of Davidian Massacre
by Carol Moore
http://www.cia.com.au/serendipity/waco/moore3.html
*
THE DAVIDIAN MASSACRE
by Carol Moore
http://www.kreative.net/carolmoore/davidian-massacre.html
*
Waco Pictorial Essay
by Gary Hunt
http://www.illusions.com/opf/wacoind.htm
*
Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum
by Carol A. Valentine
http://www.monumental.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/
*
Mt. Carmel
http://start.at/mt.carmel



It is our right,
and it is our duty,
to remain free.
 --- Alan Keyes


"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every
form of tyranny over the mind of man." --Thomas Jefferson*

*The famous quotation is from a letter to Dr. Benjamin Rush of September 23,
1800. ME 10:173


In The Federalist Papers, No. 47, James Madison labels that
arrangement thusly:  "The accumulation of all  powers,
legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands,
whether on one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary,
self appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the
very definition of tyranny."

May God have Mercy on those that perpetrated
this dastardly deed.

Bard

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[CTRL] FW: [The_Waco_Siege] [POLE] WACO

1999-08-27 Thread Bard

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fyi,

Bard


-Original Message-
From: Chris Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 7:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [The_Waco_Siege] [POLE] WACO


From: "Chris Swift" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[POLE] Paradox On-Line Encyclopedia: WACO



Waco

Background

A city in central Texas, USA, on the River Brazos, population (1990)
103,590. Founded as a ferry-crossing in 1849, it was named after the Waco
(Huaco) Indians. It is a commercial and industrial centre with tyres, glass
and paper manufacturers.

In 1993 a ranch near Waco was the scene of a 51 day siege in which several
government agents and over 70 members of the Branch Davidian religious sect
were killed.

Investigation reopened

The US Department of Justice has reopened an investigation into the 51-day
Waco stand-off between the FBI and the Branch Davidian cult after it was
revealed that agents fired potentially flammable tear gas canisters. (27
August 1999).

The FBI still insists the fire was the cult's fault.

FBI denies responsibility

For the past six years, FBI agents have repeatedly and categorically denied
that they fired any incendiary devices capable of sparking the blaze that
consumed the cult's compound.

The leader of the cult, David Koresh, and about 80 followers, including 25
children, died.

The 51-day siege ended with the deaths of more than 80 people

FBI spokesman John Collingwood said: "The FBI may have used a very limited
number of military-type CS gas canisters on the morning of April 19 in an
attempt to penetrate the roof of an underground bunker 30 to 40 yards away
from the main Branch Davidian compound."

The military-type canisters differ from civilian tear gas in that "the
military canisters may have contained a substance that is designed to
disperse the gas using a pyrotechnic mixture," Mr Collingwood said.

High-level contradictions: Attorney General under pressure

The revelations contradict congressional testimony of high-ranking Justice
Department officials including that of Attorney General Janet Reno.

Janet Reno: "Very, very frustrated"

Admitting the revelations might erode her credibility, Ms Reno pledged to
"get to the bottom" of why it took six years for the FBI to admit to the use
of the potentially incendiary munitions.

"It is absolutely critical that we do everything humanly possible to learn
all the facts as accurately as possible and make them available to Congress
and the public," she said.

Janet Reno:"I'll get to the bottom of this"

Within weeks, the results of the investigation conducted by 40 agents and
led by an FBI inspector are to report on the use of military-type tear gas
and why its use was not revealed for six years.

She said she was "very, very frustrated" that the information had taken so
long to emerge.

But she added that she still believed the FBI was not responsible for the
deaths.

Officials, who requested anonymity, said two military tear gas canisters
were fired hours before the fire began.

The canisters bounced off the roof of the concrete bunker and landed in an
open field, according to these officials.

Independent investigators concluded the fire began simultaneously in three
places.

Based on information from bugs planted on the compound, the FBI maintains
that the Davidians started the fire.

Arson investigators found that gasoline, charcoal lighter fluid and camp
stove fuel had been poured inside the compound.

Army involvement?

In other developments, the Texas Department of Public Safety told The Dallas
Morning News members of the Army's secret Delta Force anti-terrorism squad
were at the scene the day the compound burned.

The newspaper obtained a Defence Department document under the Freedom of
Information Act that confirmed the presence of the Special Forces unit when
the FBI used tanks to assault the compound.

The US military is barred from domestic law enforcement.

Congressional questions

Republican law said they would reopen the investigation and reconvene
hearings into the incident.

The revelation "casts doubt on the entire testimony that the government gave
Congress in 1995," Republican Representative Bob Barr told CNN.

The US Attorney-General, Janet Reno, says her credibility has been harmed by
an FBI admission over the fatal fire in 1993 at a besieged cult headquarters
in Waco, Texas.

For the past six years, FBI agents have repeatedly and categorically denied
that they fired any incendiary devices capable of sparking the blaze that
consumed the cult's compound.

Janet Reno:"I'll get to the bottom of this"

FBI version of events

Officials, who requested anonymity, said two military tear gas canisters
were fired hours before the fire began.

The 51-day siege ended with the deaths of more than 80 people

The canisters bounced off the roof of the concrete bunker and landed in an
open field, according to these officials, and so were 

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Those dirty bankers...
Date:1999/07/10
Author:Thee Dude 
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"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of
their currency first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and
corporations that will grow up around them will
deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up
homeless on the continent their fathers conquered".
--Thomas Jefferson in 1802 in a letter to then Secretary of the
 Treasury, Albert Gallatin


WARNING Read at your own peril

Ever since the Nugan Hand Bank affair of the late 1970's, bank crashes
have followed a slick and familiar template. Narcotics trafficking, gun
running, CIA covert ops, money laundering and fraud on a massive scale
are just some of the ingredients that have sent bank after bank crashing
to its knees. Once the smoke clears, bank depositors and shareholders
are left picking up the tab.

With a spate of billion-dollar financial scandals hitting the headlines,
1995 wasn't such a good year for harassed bank regulators and
shareholders. Calls for tougher regulation of the burgeoning financial
markets in the wake of Daiwa, Barings and other debacles are little more
than PR palliatives designed to calm the nerves of a cynical public who
still form the hard backbone of bank depositors. With the best will in
the world, regulators can't keep pace with an evolving and sophisticated
money machine that daily shuffles upwards of 24 billion E-bucks around
the globe in the blink of an eye.

Yet tough regulation, even when emplaced, is easily and regularly
evaded. Banking and crime Cimmerian handmaidens for the simple reason
that banks are where the money is. Having access to the money and being
'connected' is the name of the game where the stakes are other people's
money. This is the dark side of the financial community, a hidden face
that largely goes unreported - until, that is, a major banking scandal
hits the front pages. Squirming under the glare of public attention,
successive bank disclosures have revealed the sinister connections that
leading banks have with organised crime and the intelligence community.
The money-shufflers of 'Spooksville' need 'black funds' to finance
covert operations and appear happy to exchange guns and military hard
ware for dope that is, in turn, peddled for dollars used to finance
other black operations. This happy-go-lucky 'Ferris wheel' approach to
money-raising on the part of the intelligence community reveals a long
history of entanglements with the Mafia.

Organised crime syndicates are now the single largest business sector on
the planet and are set to grow. They just love banking. Having
accumulated a staggering US$820 billion from investment interest over
the last decade, the Mafia is now estimated to earn US$250 billion a
year from its legitimate investments. Dozens of nations who maintain
strict bank secrecy laws are, de facto, providing full banking services
to these mandarins of dirty money. A large number of banks are actually
owned by Mafia syndicates. Some of the largest and most respectable
appear content to turn a blind eye and earn massive commissions from
laundering dirty money. The prudent image of the banker is just that: an
image. Banking survives purely on depositor confidence, making it the
biggest ongoing ' confidence trick ' the world has ever witnessed.That
confidence has been dented by one scandal following on the heels of
another.

One of the earliest scandals was the Nugan Hand Bank affair. Michael
Hand, an ex-CIA operative from the Bronx, joined up in 1973 with Frank
Nugan, an Australian playboy and inheritor of a Mafia fortune, and
incorporated the Nugan Hand Bank. The bank sported an interesting and
exclusive board of directors. President of the bank was (Retired) Rear
Admiral Earl Yates, former chief of the US Navy's strategic planning.
Legal counsel was the CIA's William Colby, and Walter McDonald, former
deputy director of the spook agency was listed as consultant. An
in-house commodity trader on the bank's payroll was also a leading
heroin importer, while Richard Secord, later to be implicated in the
Iran-Contra affair, was said to have a business connection.

Seven years later, the bank collapsed following the discovery of Frank
Nugan's body slumped in his Mercedes. Clutching a gun in one hand and
sporting a hole through the head, Nugan was also holding a bible that
contained an embarrassing list of names including William Colby, DCI of
the CIA, and Bob Wilson, the House Armed Services Committee's ranking
Republican. Other names listed had a variety of backgrounds, ranging
from known narcotics traffickers, politicians and businessmen to
personalities from sport and the media. Beside each name were listed
amounts 

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Colombia
GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE UPDATE


 U.S. Proposes Intervention Forces for Latin
 American Crises
 June 10, 1999

 SUMMARY

 During a meeting of the Organization of American States
 (OAS) the U.S. proposed the creation of a multinational
 force to guarantee the security of the Western
 Hemisphere. At the same time, the U.S. is reportedly
 pushing a plan to support Colombia's neighbors with
 aircraft and intelligence in their efforts to contain
 Colombian guerrillas. With its OAS proposal in the long
 term and its Colombia plan in the short term, the U.S.
 appears eager to become more actively involved in
 resolving Latin America's long running conflicts. This
 promises at best a mixed blessing for U.S. businesses
 currently operating in Colombia and throughout the
 region, as greater U.S. involvement will draw greater
 reaction from the region's rebels.

 ANALYSIS

 A report in the June 9 edition of the Colombian
 newspaper El Tiempo described a U.S. proposal to
 create a multinational intervention force for Latin
 America. The proposal, which was presented at a
 meeting of the General Assembly of the Organization of
 American States (OAS), calls for a "group of friendly
 countries," who are closely linked politically or
 economically, to intervene in internal conflicts
 threatening democracy in Latin American countries.

 Although Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Mexico,
 Peru, and Venezuela opposed the U.S. proposal, the
 U.S. representative to the OAS, Victor Marrero, said
the
 proposal was not dead. "We never hoped that the
 proposal would be approved at this session, we just
 wanted to put the matter on the table for discussion.
But
 this topic is not dead," Marrero said. Objections to
the
 proposal centered on who would determine if a crisis
 was serious enough to warrant intervention, as well as
 the form and degree of intervention necessary.

 In a potentially related report, the June 7 edition of
the
 Colombian newspaper "El Espectador" reported details
 of what it claimed is a U.S. plan to block the spread
of
 Colombian guerrilla activity to neighboring countries.
 According to the report, which cited U.S. State
 Department sources, the U.S. is planning to support
 border forces in Brazil, Ecuador, Panama, Peru, and
 Venezuela with aircraft and intelligence to help
contain
 the Colombian rebels. At the same time, the U.S. State
 Department would reportedly label the Fuerzas Armadas
 Revolucionarias de Colombia (FARC) and the Ejercito
 de Liberacion Nacional (ELN) "narco-guerrillas,"
 declaring them responsible for participating in the
 narcotics industry in Colombia. The alleged plan would
 also involve extradition requests aimed at linking the
 insurgency more closely with the drug trade. In more
 concretely linking the guerrillas with the narcotics
trade,
 the El Tiempo claims that the State Department hopes
 to both reduce criticism from the U.S. Congress and to
 build regional support for a multinational force.

 The U.S. State Department has long woven a tortuous
 argument that, while the U.S. is not and will not
become
 involved in battling Colombia's guerrillas, it is
actively
 participating in the war on drugs. And since Colombia's
 guerrillas are participating in narcotics production
and
 trafficking, then... and the rest occurs in the
Colombian
 jungle. In actively 

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DOSSIER PART I of IIDate:1999/05/06
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Bush: The Family That Preys Together PART I of II
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by Jack Colhoun
COVERT ACTION QUARTERLY

GEORGE JR.'S BCCI CONNECTION "This is an incredible
deal, unbelievable for this small company," energy
analyst Charles Strain told Forbes magazine,
describing the oil production sharing agreement the
Harken Energy Corporation signed in January 1990 with
Bahrain.

Under the terms of the deal, Harken was given the
exclusive right to explore for gas and oil off the
shores of the Gulf island nation. If gas or oil were
found in waters near two of the world's largest gas
and oil fields, Harken would have exclusive marketing
and transportation rights for the energy resources.
Truly an "incredible deal" for a company that had
never drilled an offshore well.

Strain failed to point out, however, the one fact
that puts the Harken deal in focus: George Bush, Jr.,
the eldest son of George and Barbara Bush of 1600
Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC, is a member of
Harken's board of directors, a consultant, and a
stockholder in the Texas-based company. In light of
this connection, the deal makes more sense. The
involvement of Junior-George Walker Bush's childhood
nickname-with Harken is a walking conflict of
interest. His relationship to President Bush, rather
than any business acumen, made him a valuable asset
for Harken, the Republican Party benefactors, Middle
East oil sheikhs and covert operators who played a
part in Harken's Bahrain deal.

In fact, Junior's track record as an oilman is pretty
dismal. He began his career in Midland, Texas, in the
mid-1970s when he founded Arbusto Energy, Inc. When
oil prices dropped in the early 1980s, Arbusto fell
upon hard times. Junior was only rescued from
business failure when his company was purchased by
Spectrum 7 Energy Corporation, a small oil firm owned
by William DeWitt and Mercer Reynolds. As part of the
September 1984 deal, Bush became Spectrum 7's
president and was given a 13.6 percent share in the
company's stock. Oil prices stayed low and within two
years, Spectrum 7 was in trouble.

In the six months before Spectrum 7 was acquired by
Harken in 1986, it had lost $400,000. In the buyout
deal, George "Jr." and his partners were given more
than $2 million worth of Harken stock for the
180-well operation. Made a director and hired as a
"consultant" to Harken, Junior received another
$600,000 of Harken stock, and has been paid between
$42,000 and $120,000 a year since 1986.

Junior's value to Harken soon became apparent when
the company needed an infusion of cash in the spring
of 1987. Junior and other Harken officials met with
Jackson Stephens, head of Stephens, Inc., a large
investment bank in Little Rock, Arkansas (Stephens
made a $100,000 contribution to the Reagan-Bush
campaign in 1980 and gave another $100,000 to the
Bush dinner committee in 1990.)

In 1987, Stephens made arrangements with Union Bank
of Switzerland (UBS) to provide $25 million to Harken
in return for a stock interest in Harken. As part of
the Stephens-brokered deal, Sheikh Abdullah Bakhsh, a
Saudi real estate tycoon and financier, joined
Harken's board as a major investor. *5 Stephens, UBS,
and Bakhsh each have ties to the scandal-ridden Bank
of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI).

It was Stephens who suggested in the late 1970s that
BCCI purchase what became First American Bankshares
in Washington, D.C. BCCI later acquired First
American's predecessor, Financial General Bankshares.
At the time of the Harken investment, UBS was a
joint-venture partner with BCCI in a bank in Geneva,
Switzerland. Bakhsh has been an investment partner in
Saudi Arabia with Gaith Pharoan, identified by the
U.S. Federal Reserve Board as a "front man" for
BCCI's secret acquisitions of U.S. banks.

Stephens, Inc. played a role in the Harken deal with
Bahrain as well. Former Stephens bankers David and
Mike Edwards contacted Michael Ameen, the former
chief of Mobil Oil's Middle East operations, when
Bahrain broke off 1989 talks with Amoco for a gas and
oil exploration contract. The Edwardses recommended
Harken for the job and urged Ameen to get in touch
with Bahrain, which he did.

"In the midst of Harken's talks with Bahrain, Ameen-
simultaneously working as a State Department
consultant-briefed the incoming U.S. ambassador in
Bahrain, Charles Hostler," the Wall Street Journal
noted, adding that Hostler, a San Diego real estate
investor, was a $100,000 contributor to the
Republican Party. Hostler claimed he never discussed
Harken with the Bahrainis.

Harken lacked sufficient financing to explore off the
coast of Bahrain 

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Brazil/Venezuela
GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE UPDATE


 Venezuela and Brazil Step up Latin American
 Integration Efforts
 May 19, 1999

 SUMMARY

 Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and Brazilian
 President Henrique Cardoso have agreed on concrete
 measures that would lead to the establishment of a
 Latin American free trade zone. Their stated objective
is
 to create an economic bloc that could counterbalance
 U.S. economic power in the region. Because the grand
 vision of regional economic integration is practically
 unattainable, given the current circumstances in Latin
 America, its only real objective is to serve the
domestic
 political objectives of its populist and nationalist
 creators.

 ANALYSIS

 During his recent visit to Brazil, Venezuela's
President
 Hugo Chavez received Brazilian President Henrique
 Cardoso's support for the idea of integrating two Latin
 American regional economic groupings -- the Common
 Market of the South (Mercosur) and the

 Community of Andean Nations (CAN). The two
 politicians agreed on concrete measures that would
 lead to establishment of a free trade zone in Latin
 America. As part of their effort to create a Latin
 American economic bloc, the two countries agreed to
 establish a continental-wide company for exploration
 and development of oil by merging parts of national oil
 companies of major Latin American oil producers. The
 stated purpose of their efforts is to counterbalance
the
 United States' economic power in the region. While the
 plan for regional economic integration is significant
in
 intent, its realization, demanding the delegation of
 individual state's powers to supra-national bodies, may
 prove impossible in the current Latin American
 economic environment.

 At their meeting, Chavez and Cardoso agreed to
 establish a preferential tariffs agreement between
 Mecrosur and CAN, stressing that the measure would
 enable a speedy creation of a free trade area. Cardoso
 said that the integration between the Mercosur member
 countries (Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, and Paraguay)
 and the CAN member countries (Bolivia, Colombia,
 Ecuador, Peru, and Venezuela) would produce one of
 the most powerful economic blocs in the world. The two
 leaders openly defined the objective of the economic
 integration, which would be to prevent the Latin
 American countries from becoming "increasingly
 dependent on the United States." Reportedly, certain
 Brazilian diplomats expressed their hope that such an
 economic bloc would have "greater autonomy to
 negotiate with the European Union and counterbalance
 the United States' economic power."

 As part of the Caracas-initiated effort to integrate
Latin
 American economies, Brazil and Venezuela plan to
 establish a new continental-wide oil company called
 Petroamerica. Venezuela's Energy Minister Ali
 Rodriguez said on May 11 that the two countries intend
 to merge part of their state-owned oil companies --
 Petrobras and PDVSA -- to form the new company,
 Petroamerica, likely be created before the end of this
 year. Consequently, other Latin American companies
 would be invited to join the international enterprise.
 Chavez had also introduced his Petroamerica proposal
 during his recent visit to Colombia. With regard to
future
 members of Petroamerica, Chavez emphasized that the
 

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Today's Lesson From Hot Money and the Politics of Debt

by R. T. Naylor


. . . To finance these activities, the CIA turned to Castle Bank  Trust
of Nassau.

The bank was established by Paul Helliwell, a former OSS China hand with
a background in drug-trade intelligence. After the war, Helliwell had
run CIA front companies in Florida. Through his Bahamian bank, and a
companion institution in Florida, millions of dollars were funneled for
covert military operations staged off Andros Island in the Bahamas.
Castle also facilitated tax evasion, and, in its trust-company capacity,
voted the shares of certain nonresidents owners of Resorts
International, the top Lansky-era casino operation on Nassau. When one
of those shareholders so strongly objected to the way Castle was voting
his shares that he sued the bank, the scheme began to unravel.

The shareholder was William Mellon Hitchcock, the New York stockbroker
who had been using the Paravinci Bank of Berne, Switzerland, to
circumvent the New York Fed's margin requirements. Allegedly, Hitchcock
also put his business experience to work in 'high finance,' along with
the Brotherhood of Eternal Love, whose clandestine California
laboratories reportedly produced more than half of the LSD that
levitated political debate on American campuses in the 1960s. It was
Hitchcock's friend Timothy Leary, the era's most publicized advocate of
the chemical lobotomy, who got him involved with the LSD operation. The
profits were laundered through the Paravicini Bank until its demise and
through the IOS-controlled Fiduciary Trust in the Bahamas.
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Barbecued Children

Why Was the Delta Force at Waco?

And why did Hillary kill the children?

The three Delta Force commandoes at the Branch Davidian compound in
April 1993 were part of an elite unit the military secretly founded in
1977 to combat world terrorism.
While their use as on-scene observers was legal, a military expert is
faulting the Clinton administration for putting the soldiers in a
domestic law enforcement setting where innocent people died in a
horrible blaze.

Said Al Santoli, a House national security aide, "Delta Force is our
most sophisticated task force against terrorists and to think that Delta
would be used is an abuse of their power and an abuse of their mandate.
What happened in Waco was strictly a law enforcement matter."

"Delta Force is not hostage negotiating. They are action guys against
terrorists," said Mr. Santoli, an aide to Rep. Dana Rohrabacher,
California Republican. "They are experts who deal with the most violent
and sophisticated international terrorist forces."

A Pentagon spokesman said Thursday the three special forces soldiers
were at Waco strictly as observers in hopes of learning something new on
hostage rescue.

For years, the Pentagon refused to acknowledge Delta Force's existence,
even as such public failures as Desert One and Somalia came to light.
Now, the military admits there is such a 400-man unit trained in a
fenced area of Fort Bragg, N.C., home to the Joint Special Operations
Command. But its work still remains top secret.

Delta Force was the brainchild of two hardened Vietnam warriors, Col.
Charles Beckwith and Maj. Richard Meadows. They recognized that the
growing threat of global terrorism heightened the prospect that
Americans would be taken hostage overseas. A special unit was needed,
they argued, to rescue them.

Unfortunately, Delta Force's first notoriety stemmed from failure. Some
of its members participated in the botched Desert One operation in 1979
to free 66 American hostages from the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.

Bad publicity struck again in 1993 when the ill-conceived manhunt for
Somalia warlord Mohamed Farrah Aidid ended in the ambush of a U.S.
special forces unit and the death of 18 soldiers.

Many successes remain secret. In any conflict involving American troops,
Delta Force is on the scene prepared for a hostage situation. They also
perform reconnaissance deep inside enemy lines and join with other
commando units, such as Navy Seals, on special missions.

Delta Force members were believed to have penetrated Iraqi territory
during the 1991 Persian Gulf war in a hunt for ballistic missile
launchers.

"They have also advised and worked with people like the Israelis who
have been successful to varying degrees," Mr. Santoli said. "The reason
they keep their identities secret is to protect Americans from the
world's most dangerous terrorists."

The issue of Delta Force aiding the FBI at Waco is not new. Attorney
General Janet Reno testified before congressional committees that she
sought the unit's advice before approving the April 1993 assault. A
joint congressional committee investigated the commandoes' role in both
open and closed hearings.

But their presence 

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Subject:
  Drugs replace communism as the point of entry for U.S. policy on
  Latin America [Please forward]
 Date:
  Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:17:40 CST

COUNCIL ON HEMISPHERIC AFFAIRS

Wednesday, 24 August 1999


Drugs replace communism as the point of entry for U.S.
policy on Latin America

U.S. Policy Towards Colombia About To Massively Veer
Off-Track



Heading for disaster

The Clinton Administration is on the brink of a decisive
shift in its
policies toward Colombia, a country engulfed in a protracted
civil war
against leftist guerrillas that has cost tens of thousands
of lives. Until
now, the Clinton Administration, admirably, has attempted to
maintain a
thin line between counterinsurgency and counter-narcotics in
Washington's
support of the Colombian military and police forces. But
following the
recent visit to Colombia by White House drug policy director
Barry
McCaffrey and Under Secretary of State Thomas Pickering, it
has become
clear that Washington is on the verge of more aggressive
action in the
region. The administration is moving from a policy of only
indirect
intervention and a relatively hands-off role in the
guerrilla conflict to
an overt strategy aimed at rooting out the threat the rebels
pose to the
political and economic status quo in Colombia.

In other words, a previously cautious State Department and
National
Security Council has lost control of the issue to Clinton
Administration
politicos who fear that the Republicans are preparing a
frontal attack on
the administration for being "soft" on drugs and equally
soft on the
drug-trafficking guerrillas. As a riposte, the Clinton
Administration will
now ready a major public initiative to convince Americans of
the imminence
of the threat posed by the guerrillas, and the urgency of
the need for
action. Another crucial White House concern will be to
reassure the public
that U.S. involvement in the Colombia cauldron will be
limited. But
Americans were told the same thing when the U.S. first
became involved in
El Salvador in the early 1980's, and ended up spending
almost a billion
dollars a year to fund a proto-military regime's barbarous
civil war
against its own citizens. Roughly three-quarters of a
million Salvadoreans
fled to the United States during the conflict, and skeptics
are now asking
how many hundreds of thousands of Colombians will now decide
to flee to the
U.S. if Washington moves to "liberate" Colombia from its
guerrillas,
further confounding this country's stressed social programs.

The unofficial reason for this change in policy, which
eliminates any
distinction between Colombia's civil and drug wars, is that
U.S.
counter-narcotics efforts in the region have in the past
done nothing to
impede powerful, drug-running mafias from operating in
guerrilla-controlled
territories, which accounts for 40% of the countryside. The
guerrillas-or
"narco-terrorists" as McCaffrey now refers to them-are using
their enhanced
revenues from "war taxes" levied on the drug traffickers to
finance their
rebellion.

General McCaffrey in particular noted the urgency of the
present situation
in Colombia, calling the conflict "a disaster." He believes
the situation
in the country is so grave that it will require a regional
effort to tame
Colombia's drug-trafficking guerrillas. On an August 23
visit to Brazil,
the region's largest economic and political power, McCaffrey
said: "We must
recognize that the problem of drug-trafficking is
regional...Colombia
cannot combat the problem alone." Given the context in which
this proposal
was made, some critics are loathe to recall that Washington
offered similar
explanations when communism rather than drugs was public
enemy number one
in Latin America, or, as officials in Washington refer to
the region to
this day, "our own backyard." McCaffrey speaks as if he is
readying a
purgative crusade in the rest of the hemisphere, and those
who fail to
cooperate will lose their annual drug certification rating.

McCaffrey, who his critics liken to Lt. Col. Oliver North in
his fervor,
has chastised the White House for regarding Colombia as a
relatively minor
league issue relative to its other global preoccupations.
The
administration, McCaffrey suggests, has given "inadequate
attention to a
serious and growing emergency." Indeed, the deteriorating
situation in
Colombia was not considered grave enough to seriously
concern the president
until last week, when, according to the Washington Post, his
advisers
briefed Clinton on the subject for the first time.


How much aid and to whom?

Colombia is quickly becoming the major focus of U.S. Latin
American policy,
and McCaffrey's exhortations seem to have overwhelmed all
resistance in the
State Department against expanding the U.S. role in the
country.

The State Department is presently considering Colombia's
request for an
additional $500 million in military aid over the next two
years, a figure
which McCaffrey himself 

[CTRL] Nixon and Watergate Bibliography

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
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A
HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0812928873/harapanmediatech/002-7
198251-4571049"Harapan's Bookshelf: Nixon and Watergate/A
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Nixon and Watergate   last updated on 98/09/22


All the President's Men
Carl Bernstein, Bob Woodward (Contributor) / Paperback / Published 1994

The Final Days/the Classic, Behind-The-Scenes Account of Richard Nixon's
Dramatic Last Days in the White House
Bob Woodward, Carl Bernstein

Abuse of Power : The New Nixon Tapes
Stanley I. Kutler (Editor) / Hardcover / Published 1997
Abuse of Power

Stanley I. Kutler (Editor), et al / Audio Cassette / Published 1997
 I™[ f B I™E u b N”Å
™@
Born Again
Charles W. Colson / Paperback / Published 1996

Crazy Rhythm : My Journey from Brooklyn, Jazz, and Wall Street to
Nixon's White House, Watergate, and Beyond...
Leonard Garment / Hardcover / Published 1997

Challenging the Secret Government : The Post-Watergate Investigations of
the CIA and FBI
Kathryn S. Olmsted / Paperback / Published 1996

From Watergate to Whitewater : The Public Integrity War
Robert N. Roberts, Marion T., Jr Doss / Hardcover / Published 1997

Groupthink : Psychological Studies of Policy Decisions and Fiascoes
Irving L. Janis / Paperback / Published 1982

The Mask of State : Watergate Portraits
Mary Therese, McCarthy / Paperback / Published 1975

Murder at the Watergate : A Novel
Margaret Truman / Hardcover / Published 1998

Murder at the Watergate : A Novel (Random House Large Print)
Margaret Truman / Paperback / Published 1998

Murder at the Watergate
Margaret Truman / Audio Cassette / Published 1998

Nixon in Winter : His Final Revelations about Diplomacy, Watergate, and
Life out of the Arena
Monica Crowley / Hardcover / Published 1998

The Time of Illusion
Jonathan Schell / Paperback / Published 1976

United States V. Nixon : Watergate and the President (Landmark Supreme
Court Cases)
D. J. Herda / Library Binding / Published 1996

Wars of Watergate : The Last Crisis of Richard Nixon
Stanley I. Kutler / Paperback / Published 1992

Watergate : Deception in the White House (Spotlight on American History)

Daniel Cohen / School  Library Binding / Published 1998
Watergate : The Corruption of American Politics and the Fall of Richard
Nixon
Fred Emery / Paperback / Published 1995

Watergate in American Memory; How We Remember, Forget, and Reconstruct
the Past
Michael Schudson / Paperback / Published 1993

The Watergate Scandal in American History (In American History)
David K. Fremon / Library Binding / Published 1998

Watergate Series Pack (3)
Discovery Channel / VHS Tape / Published 1998

Watergate:Secret Story
CBS News / VHS Tape / Published 1992

Will : The Autobiography of G. Gordon Liddy
G. Gordon Liddy / Hardcover / Published 1997

All the President's Men
Paperback / Published 1994

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An American History Reader : Industrialism to Watergate Vol 2
David Wilcox, Andrew S. Walmsley (Editor) / Paperback / Published 1992

The Anxious Years : America in the Vietnam-Watergate Era
Kim McQuaid / Hardcover / Published 1992

The Battle for Public Opinion
Hardcover / Published 1983

The Battle for Public Opinion : The President, the Press and the Polls
During Watergate
Gladys Engel Lang, Kurt Lang / Hardcover / Published 1983

Before the Fall : An Inside View of the Pre-Watergate White House (Da
Capo Paperback)
William, Safire / Paperback / Published 1988

Before Watergate
Abraham Eisenstadt (Editor) / Hardcover / Published 1979

Before Watergate
Abraham Eisenstadt / Hardcover / Published 1987

Born Again
Charles M. Colson / Hardcover / Published 1977

Challenging the Secret Government : The Post-Watergate Investigations of
the CIA and FBI
Kathryn S, Olmsted / Hardcover / Published 1996

Conspiracy Crumbles /Nr
Watergate Vvdc 24103 / VHS Tape / Published 1995

Constitutional Aspects of Watergate : Documents and Materials Vol 4
Stephen A. Boyan (Editor) / Hardcover / Published 1976

Cover Up : The Watergate in All of Us
Harry S. Dent / Audio Cassette / Published 1997

Fall of a President /Nr
Watergate Vvdc 24104 / VHS Tape / Published 1995

Focus on Watergate : An Examination of the Moral Dilemma of Watergate in
the Light of Civil Religion (120P)
H. Dale Crockett / Hardcover / Published 1982

Gerald R. Ford and the Politics of Post-Watergate America (Contributions
in Political Science, No 300)
Bernard J. Firestone, Alexej Ugrinsky (Editor) / Hardcover / Published
1992

The Great Coverup
Paperback / Published 1992

Groupthink
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John Ehrlichman: In the Eye of the Storm, hosted by Tom Clancy
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Nixon:Watergate/Vol.1
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Political Discourse : A Case Study of the Watergate Affair
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1999-08-27 Thread Tenorlove

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Got this in my email--I'm sending it as is, typos  all. Tenorlove.

Subject: EMERGENCY PRAYER REQUEST  
  At 9:00 AM this morning, a young 13 year old Christian girl by
thename
  of Rachel was abducted from a shopping mall in Texarkana, Texas.
About
  3:00 PM this afternoon she was seen crying hysterically in avehicle
in
  which she could not get out.  The license number of the vehicle
wasthen
  seen and it was traced to a man in Hope, Arkansas.  It is not
  known how many others may have been in the vehicle also.  The
FBIhas
  sent out an alert for this vehicle.  Rachel is wearing a denim
vestand
  has long, dark, curly hair tied back in a pony tail.  It isbelieved
she
  has been abducted and destined for satanic ritual sacrifice
thisevening
  , probably before we go to bed, as today is full moon. 
  Rachel has been active in her youth group and has many ETH friends.
Her
  abusive father left and abandoned the family ten years ago.
Pleasepray
  for Rachel's protection from all harm and abuse as well as hertotal
and
  safe release.  Pray for her mother who has been beside herselfsince
the
  incident.PLEASE ALERT ALL INTERCESSORS TO PRAY
IMMEDIATELY FOR THE
  LIFE OF RACHEL!
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[CTRL] [1] The Good Ole' Guns and Drug War, Law 'n Order Madness Page

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

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The Good Ole' Guns and Drug War, Law 'n Order Madness Page !!

"Psychological warfare employs all moral and physical means, other than
orthodox military operations, which tend to:



a.Destroy the will and the ability of the enemy to fight.

b.Deprive him of the support of his allies and neutrals.

c.Increase in our own troops and allies the will to victory.
Psychological warfare employs any weapon to influence the mind of the
enemy. The weapons are psychological only in the effect they produce and
not because of the nature of the weapons themselves. In this light,
overt(white), covert(black), and gray propaganda; subversion; sabotage;
special operations; guerrilla warfare; espionage; political, cultural,
economic, and racial pressures are all effective weapons. They are
effective because they produce dissension, distrust, fear, and
hopelessness in the mind of the enemy, not because they originate in the
psyche of propaganda or psychological warfare agencies."
The Science of Coercion (pp.12,81,113)
by Christopher Simpson
"Real power begins where secrecy begins. The only rule of which
everybody in a totalitarian state may be sure."
Hannah Arendt

"Those who suffer from a power complex find the mechanization of man a
simple way to realize their ambitions."
Norbert Weiner

The policymaking of the "War on Drugs" can best be understood from the
perspective of the use of psychological operations in fascist
revolution. Wholistic mass manipulation may best be understood as a
dynamic interrelated process acting on a targetted population over time.
The emphasis of the program design will depend on the specific
characteristics and vulnerabilities of the population targetted for
"conversion". Needless to say, all the physical, mental, psychological,
and spiritual factors acting on the human bean can't be accounted for
totally, much less analysed. Obviously, though, some people have seen
fit to use every means necessary to manipulate others to achieve
sometimes extremely antisocial and ultimately mass suicidal goals
founded in a fear borne of greed; the true philosophical underpinnings
of the pseudojustification of "national security". Paradoxically, this
policymaking has generated higher levels of chaos in our country than
has ever been seen before in U.S.history. Collective dictatorial tot
alitarianism is the real threat to the self-determination of any truly
free people. The goundbreaking work of Caplan and Pantony on the
Delusional Dominating Personality Disorder (DDPD) ,detailed in Canadian
Psychology Vol.32,#2, is a great place to start exploring current ideas
on authoritarianism (the pathology of the criminal warlord). The purpose
of my work is to stimulate people to move towards the fuller
self-determination that comes from being more fully informed about
history and the evils we are all capable of. One of the biggest
obstacles facing the democratic self-determination of the American
people are the ubiquitous presence of fear-based, self-serving,
non-responsive dictatorial collectives in the public and private sector
organizational landscape. These collectives are also known as boards of
directors, corporations, armies, security forces, city councils,
governments, secret societies, fraternities, etc. The CIA is one of the
most sophisticated and dangerous of these collectives, acting as it does
to facilitate large-scale criminal activities such as insurance and bank
scams, large-scale counterfeiting, smuggling, mass slaughter, economic
deprivation, gun-running, drug-running, real estate scams, etc, to
finance fascist revolution/conversions in cooperation with large sectors
of the international corporate financial infrastructure. These criminal
interactions can be considered the greatest threat to the integrity of
constitutional democracy, the continuity of world economic systems, and
the long-term viability of planetary biological systems upon which all
species depend for life. The best defense against external manipulation
are deeply held values and beliefs which form the basis for constructive
and coherent self-directed action.

I've sorted the references into nine subject areas. They are social
psychology (SP), psychology (P), history (H), economics (E), political
science (PS), spirituality(S), medicine (M), philosophy (Ph), and
criminology (Cr). The last section is for the individual
addict/alcoholic who still abuses and introduces a community based
addiction reduction and antiviolence/community stabilization program
that anyone can begin to implement. intro The subject areas are listed
hierarchically according to the author's completely arbitrary standards
of importance, however no one area is perceived to be more important
than any other in the larger picture of our experience. The references
in each subject area are numbered hierarchically in 

[CTRL] Bankers Bagmen and Bandits: Business Politics in the Age of Greed.

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

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[CTRL] [2] The Good Ole' Guns and Drug War, Law 'n Order Madness Page

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
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Economics
Trilateralism: The Trilateral Commission and Elite Planning for World
Management Ed. by Holly Sklar (Boston MA.:South End Press(1980))
(SP,H,PS,Cr) On the international corporate economic planning
infrastructure.
Webs of Power; International Cartels and the World Economy Mirov 
Maurer (Boston,MA.:Houghton Mifflin(1982)) (SP,H,Cr) On how collusive
oligopolistic cartels eliminate the competition and limit economic and
social possibilities as a consequence.
The International Drug Trade Gary M; McCuen (Hudson,Wisc.:G.E.McCuen
Publ.(1989)) (H,PS,Cr)
Big Business in the Third Reich Arthur Schweitzer (Bloomington,Ind.:
Indiana Univ.Press(1964)) (SP,H,Cr) Details the fascistic centralization
of the German economy as an integral factor of the pre WW II nazi rise.
Fascism and Big Business Daniel Guerin (N.Y.,N.Y.:Monad Press,dist By
Pathfinder Press(1973)) (SP,H,Cr)
Mortgaging the Earth Bruce Rich (Boston,MA.:Beacon Press (1993))
(SP,PS,H,Ph,Cr) Great work on how development theory is destroying the
planet. Interesting look at the true character of the people responsible
for the intellectual foundations of the present economic paradigm.(see
the chapter; From Descartes to Chico Mendes.) Those who built the
intellectual foundations of modern scientific "objectivity" were
actually just a bunch of raving self-centered alchemists. I detest
repressed emotionalism clothed as "objectivity" and "impartiality".
The Debt Boomerang; How Third World Debt Harms Us All Susan George
(Boulder,Colo.:Westview Press(1992)) (PS,H,Ph,Cr) Great look at the
mechanisms of economic predation utilized by the IMF/World Bank and
their consequences. Also shows how 12-15 million people were killed
(murdered, starved, worked, diseased, etc.)in the US sphere of influence
as a direct consequence of CIA/State Dept.-orchestrated neo-colonial
foreign policymaking. Documents how one country laundered cocaine
revenues into the international financial mechanisms of the IMF/World
Bank.
The Business of Drugs Mary Cooper (Washington,D.C.: Congressional
Quarterly(1990)) (SP,H,PS,Cr)
Public Debt and Private Wealth: Debt, Capital Flight, and the I.M.F. in
the Sudan Richard P. Brown (London, Eng.: MacMillan(1992)) (PS,H,Cr,Ph)
Relates irresponsible economic predation to the occurrence of famines in
the Sudan; also a form of political economic "enclosure" called
exclusion.
The Myth of Marginality: Urban Poverty and Politics in Rio de Janeiro
 Janice Perlman (Berleley,CA.:Univ. of California Press(1979))
(SP,H,PS,Ph) Reveals how economic elites exploit the poor in the U.S.
sphere of influence.
The Debt Squads: The U.S.,The Banks, and Latin America Branford 
Kucinski (London,Eng.;Atlantic Highlands,N.J.: Zed Books(1988))
(H,PS,Cr)
Dark Victory: The U.S., Structural Adjustment, and Global Poverty Bello,
Cunningham,  Rau (Oakland,CA.:Food First 398 60th St.,Oakland,CA.94618;
$12.95+$3.50 shpg.(1994)) (SP,H,PS,Cr)
Dragons in Distress: Asia's Miracle Economies in Crisis Walden Bello
(San Francisco, CA.: Institute for Food and Development Policy(1990))
(SP,H,PS)
The World Bank and the Poor Aart Van De Laar (Boston,MA.: M.Nijhoff
(1980)) (H,PS,Cr) Shows how an autonomous dictatorial collective can
ignore good common sense advice and do whatever they please.
The Release of the Destruction of Life Devoid of Value: It's Measure and
it's Form K.Binding, A.Hoche,and R.Sassone (Santa Ana, CA.:Life
Quality(1920,1975)) (SP,P,H,PS,S,Cr)
The Unseen Revolution: The Rise of Pension Fund Socialism in America
 Peter Drucker (N.Y.,N.Y.:Harper  Row(1976)) (SP,H,E,PS)
Creating Alternative Futures: The End of Economics Hazel Henderson
(N.Y.,N.Y.:Putnam(1980,1978) (PS,Ph) Great analysis of the true roots of
economic stagflation.
If Women Counted: A New Feminist Economics Marilyn Waring (San
Francisco,CA.:HarperRow(1988)) (SP,P,H,PS,S,Cr) Also originally titled
Counting for Nothing.
Hot Money and the Politics of Debt R.T.Naylor (N.Y.,N.Y.: Linden
Press,dist by Simon  Schuster(1987)) (H,PS,Cr) If one isn't careful,
one will become psychologically numbed by the huge quantity of
corruption and lawlessness detailed in this text.
In Banks We Trust Penny Lernoux (Garden City,N.J.:Anchor
Press/Doubleday(1984)) (H,PS,Cr)
The Merchant Bankers Joseph Wechsberg (N.Y.,N.Y.:Pocket
Books/SimonSchuster(1966)) (H,PS,Cr) Talks about two enterprising
scotsmen who got their venture capital through the opium trade.
Gentlemen all.
Asia's Next Giant: South Korea and Late Industrialization Alice H.
Amsden (N.Y.,N.Y.: Oxford University Press(1989)) (PS,Ph) Tells how
extensive government intervention in the economy actually was much more
successful at managing South Korea's growth than the so-called "free
market" bullcrap.
Executive Compensation in Large Industrial Organizations Wilbur
Llewellen (N.Y.,N.Y.: Columbia Univ Press(1968)) (SP,PS,Ph)
Secret Money 

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Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread K

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 Sure, Koresh was minding his own business - dealing weapons and
 fucking little girls.  Nice religion.

I repeat:
 If their leader was wanted for any
 crimes, he could have been picked up any day during his daily jog.

There was absolutely no need to murder 86 people.  Just arrest
Koresh while he was out jogging.

You sound just like the German Nazi's who killed Jewish babies
because their parentage wasn't compatible with the master race.
The children in that compound weren't dealing weapons or drugs.
Apparently you subscribe to the Waco Witch's philosophy of "burn
them alive to prevent them from being abused".

Kathleen


"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims
may be the most oppressive.  It may be better to live under robber
barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.  The robber
baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some
point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will
torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their
own conscience." - C. S. Lewis


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Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread Ric Carter

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  Sure, Koresh was minding his own business - dealing weapons and
  fucking little girls.  Nice religion.

 Apparently you subscribe to the Waco Witch's philosophy of "burn
 them alive to prevent them from being abused".

Nope.  I think Koresh and his lieutenants did the killing.  I'm
amazed that so many people choose to support this psychopath;
amazed, but not really surprised.  I suspect a coordinated disinfo
campaign, possibly Chinese-sponsored, directed at all US gov't
actions, a classic Leninist strategy to demoralize the US people.

This runs in parallel with moves to discredit science, especially
evolution, in an effort to destroy US science education and reduce
productivity of US workers, China's only hope to gain an advantage
in the world economy, now that their own economy is faltering.

Is this a stretch?  Not at all.  The same people who're are Waco
conspiratorialists are also anti-evolutionists.  The propaganda
campaigns are well-coordinated, eh?  Think about it.

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Tuesday, August 24, 1999]

1999-08-27 Thread Robert Tatman

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Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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  CobolMage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS

  GOD AND THE SCIENTISTS: A NEW DEBATE, AN OLD QUESTION
  
  Atheism/"secular humanism"/agnosticism (the dividing lines are
  often rather vague) constitutes a sort of dogma for many prominent
  scientists...so much so that for a scientist to be accepted by
  his/her peers, s/he must publicly disavow "organized religion"--
  a process closely akin to the old loyalty oath.

 Do you have any evidence to back up this contention?  I ask because
 the scientists I personally know best - a physicist and a geologist
 [both public university professors] and a botanist and an orbital
 systems researcher [both employed by corporations] are all non-
 doctrinaire mainline Protestant churchgoers.  None has suffered
 at the hands of their peers that I know of - two are department
 heads - they work, they publish, they're accorded professional
 respect, and they neither vociferously include nor exclude their
 beliefs from their work.  Indeed, I'm told that the field of
 petroleum geology attracts a number of fundy jeezoids, who manage
 to stay employed despite the rather sharp division between a
 literal interpretation of Genesis and modern geophysics.  IMHO,
 the notion that the "perfect scientist" is an atheist, is just
 another myth, or is a best a drastic oversimplification of
 attitudes in US, western and worldwide scientific communities.

Sorry, should have been a little more explicit. However, Ric, let me ask how
many of your scientist acquaintances are prominent in their fields? Yes, I
know a lot of scientists who are quite devout. I also note that those
scientists who rise to the top of the profession...and this may have more to
do with public perception than with scholarship...tend to be at best agnostic.
Some of the most prominent public spokespersons for assorted disciplines, such
as the late Carl Sagan and Isaac Asimov, Stephen Jay Gould, and (I *think*)
Stephen Hawking, are or were strongly atheistic. It's my impression that for a
scientist to achieve "superstar" rank, s/he has to reject anything that smacks
of orthodox religion. New Age or otherwise heterodox views (e.g., some form of
Buddhism) are acceptable; orthodoxy is not; and atheism appears to be
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[CTRL] The political lessons of the Waco massacre

1999-08-27 Thread Lucio Benedetto

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The political lessons of the Waco massacre
Reprinted from The International Workers Bulletin -April 26, 1993
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/aug1999/wac2-a27.shtml

The WSWS is here republishing the statement which first appeared in The
International Workers Bulletin , the printed newspaper of the Socialist
Equality Party, which was the forerunner of the World Socialist Web Site.

In the days following the incineration of 86 people, including 25 children,
at the Branch Davidian compound outside Waco, Texas, the explanations
supplied by the Clinton administration and the FBI for launching the assault
have begun to fall apart. Administration spokesmen like Attorney General
Janet Reno, FBI Director William Sessions and Clinton himself have flatly
contradicted each other on the circumstances of the attack, its timing and
motivation.

The claims that the final assault on the religious cult was carried out to
save the lives of the children or to stop their sexual abuse by Koresh have
no credibility. The assault was mounted in a fashion which was deliberately
provocative and with wanton disregard for the innocent lives which were
placed in danger. There is no indication that FBI and Justice Department
officials gave the slightest consideration to how the 25 children, including
17 under 10 years of age, could be saved, and there were no special tactics
devised for this purpose. The FBI did not even call the Waco fire department
until after the blaze began.

Judging from its statements, the White House apparently believes that the
great mass of people are simply gullible fools. Clinton's absurd declaration
placing sole blame for the massacre on David Koresh is self-serving and
contradictory.

He denounced the Branch Davidian leader as "irrational and probably insane,"
claiming "he bears ultimate responsibility for the carnage that ensued." But
if Koresh was insane, he was by definition not responsible for his actions.
How could federal officials then expect him to respond rationally to an
assault on the compound by an armored vehicle?

Moreover, there is mounting evidence to disprove the initial FBI claims that
the deaths were the result of mass suicide. All six survivors who have
spoken to defense attorneys have given similar accounts that the fire began
when an armored vehicle smashed through a wall of the compound and ruptured
a large propane tank.

The survivors have also stated that the tank attack caused structural damage
inside the compound that made it impossible to open doors once the fire
began. The position of the bodies so far discovered, distributed widely
throughout the compound, indicates that the victims were not herded together
or held at gunpoint by Koresh and his closest aides. Rather the fire raced
through the old wooden structure so swiftly that most were overcome by smoke
and only a handful could make their way out.

On Thursday, the medical examiner in Waco angrily contradicted government
claims that gunshot wounds had been found in several bodies.

Regardless of what started the fire, it was an armed assault by dozens of
federal agents which began the confrontation February 28, and a second
assault, spearheaded by armored vehicles, which set in motion the tragic
events of April 19. Throughout the siege, the federal authorities rejected
such elementary measures for defusing the situation as allowing relatives of
the Branch Davidians to speak directly to cult members and seek to convince
them to leave peacefully.


A political decision

Any objective consideration of the Waco events leads inexorably to the
conclusion that political considerations were behind the decision to launch
a tank-led assault on April 19. Clinton administration officials were under
growing pressure from the federal agents on the spot to settle accounts with
Koresh. The New York Times reported, "It was not in the nature of the law
enforcement officials, who had seen the federal agents killed during the
initial raid on Feb. 28, to let the cult go on with its way of life." Other
press accounts cited the determination of federal agents to wreak vengeance
for the death of four BATF officers and the wounding of 16 others. They
spoke of "bringing things to a logical conclusion."

While the need to reassure the FBI and BATF played a role, so did the
prospect that Koresh's continued defiance was undermining the authority of
the federal government. "These people had thumbed their noses at law
enforcement," said Larry Potts, the assistant director of the FBI's criminal
division. The Wall Street Journal wrote, "An important factor in deciding to
proceed, said one FBI agent, was the feeling among FBI and Justice
Department officials that they should take back control of the situation."

The press has been silent on the obvious connection between the Branch
Davidian siege and the prison uprising in Lucasville, Ohio, which broke out
in the final week of the Waco standoff. The rebellion by over 400 inmates
fueled 

[CTRL] UN-Necessary ?

1999-08-27 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

 -Caveat Lector-

From www.mikenew.com/kosovo_ed.html

 Kosovo: The New World Army Evolves
 Daniel D. New

 Based upon the precedent of Macedonia, and the lack of
 Congressional backbone to stop the placement of American troops
 under foreign officers, the New World Army is becoming a reality.


 When Army Specialist Michael New refused to wear a United Nations
 uniform and serve under a general from Finland, his attorneys
 pointed out that the precedent would lead to more deployments
 based upon the Globalist Agenda of George Bush and Bill Clinton.

 The House of Representatives, perhaps because they are closer to
 the pulse of the People, actually passed legislation in 1996 to
 forbid the forced deployment of American troops under the United
 Nations. (HR2540, Tom DeLay). The bill never came out of Senate
 committee. But time has passed and like our society at large, the
 attention span of Congress is short and there are matters more
 pressing.

 In 1812-14 we fought a war with Great Britain over the issue of
 His Majesty’s Ships pressing American citizens into service in
 the Royal Navy. We considered our citizenship as sacred, and as
 an issue of sovereignty. We argued, at the point of cannon and
 sword, that no nation could impress the citizens of another
 nation into service against their will – that such was a return
 to feudalism. Washington was burned, but we won the war and
 sovereignty was maintained. For a while.

 How ironic that in Kosovo, American citizens will be forced to
 serve under British soldiers, against their will, this time
 ordered there by an American President!

 At issue is not the quality of the British officer in question.
 He’s no doubt a gentleman and a fine officer. The entire issue is
 whether it is legal, whether it is lawful, and if so, whether
 American citizens are no longer sovereigns. Is the "Grand
 Experiment" in self government expired? Many say this is the end
 of the Republic, and they may well be right.

 When Americans are forced to bear arms in a conflict not their
 own, they are turned into involuntary mercenaries. No semantic
 smokescreen can make it anything else.

 When a soldier accepts extra pay for the hazardous duty of
 serving a foreign power, under foreign officers, he becomes a
 voluntary mercenary. Let’s start calling a spade a spade.

 When Congress abrogates its responsibility to control the
 military involvement of this country, as clearly stated in the
 Constitution, it has thrown in the towel and is no longer
 functioning as intended by the Framers. Only Congress can declare
 war. George Bush broke the law, but appealed to what he
 maintained was a higher law – the United Nations – when he
 illegally defended Kuwait. At least he acted under color of law.

 Bill Clinton has built upon the Bush legacy of
 internationalization of our military by telling Congress AND the
 United Nations that he will do as he pleases, that he does not
 need either of them, and Madelaine Albright has the temerity to
 boldly proclaim the grand lie that the President is acting with
 Constitutional authority.

 The only authority he has, if any, for these acts of treason must
 be found in Presidential Decision Directive #25, a top-secret
 document that even your Congressman is not allowed to read! This
 is the document whereby the president has authorized himself (!)
 to ignore Congress, ignore the Constitution, and to place our
 soldiers wherever he feels they are most needed.

 Bill Clinton is a rogue head of state. He is acting without any
 authority whatsoever. He is committing impeachable offenses at an
 ever-increasing pace, now that the Senate has capitulated and
 strangled on phony polls and public opinion rather than their
 sworn constitutional duty. The age-old struggle of Rex Lex has
 once again prevailed over Lex Rex. ("The King is over the Law"
 vs. "The Law is over the King.")

 Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the
 governed. (Have you heard this somewhere before?) Whenever any
 government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of
 the People to alter or abolish it.



From www.mikenew.com/pdd25.html

 PDD 25

 The document below was allegedly; " Released on the WWW by the
 Bureau of International Organizational Affairs, U.S. Department
 of State, February 22, 1996" This State Department release is no
 more than an unclassified summary. The details of the actual
 Secret PDD 25 are still concealed from public scrutiny.





 Clinton Administration Policy on Reforming Multilateral Peace
 Operations (PDD 25) Released on the WWW by the Bureau of
 International Organizational Affairs, U.S. Department of State,
 February 22, 1996

 EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

 Last year, President Clinton ordered an inter-agency review of
 our nation's peacekeeping policies and programs in order to
 develop a comprehensive policy framework suited to the realities
 of the post-Cold War period. This policy review has resulted in a
 Presidential 

[CTRL] Balkanesian Alliance

1999-08-27 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From FreeRepublic.com "A Conservative News Forum"
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37c54a4a2562.htm

 'Allies' In The Balkans


 Foreign Affairs News Keywords: CLINTON'S FOREIGN POLICY, CORRUPT
 KOSOVO AUTHORITIES, KLA, ALBRIGHT AND RUBIN ADOPTED ALBANIAN
 CAUSE Source: Washington Times Published: August 25, 1999 Author:
 Amos Perlmutter Posted on 08/26/1999 07:08:10 PDT by Stand Watch
 Listen

 The Clinton administration's handling of the three crises in
 Yugoslavia demonstrated a definite pattern. While acting in
 partnership with Slobodan Milosevic, U.S. officials
 simultaneously colluded with disparate and fratricidal ethnic
 forces in the hope of toppling the Yugoslav president. They have
 not succeeded in toppling Mr. Milosevic or in replacing Serbian
 rule in Bosnia and Kosovo with democratic forces.

 The opposite is true. The Milosevic authorities have been
 replaced with corrupt and authoritarian entities. There is little
 doubt about who controls Kosovo. The U.S. client, the Albanian
 KLA, is in command of much of the civilian administration of
 Kosovo. Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright and her
 spokesman, James Rubin, have adopted the Albanian cause. In fact,
 they colluded with them before the talks in Ramboulliet, France,
 and after.

 An administration that claims dedication to the establishment of
 democratic regimes in the former Soviet Union and Yugoslavia has
 helped create the opposite in Kosovo. KLA gangs have not
 disarmed. A fratricidal struggle between various KLA factions and
 the politically moderate group led by Ibrahim Rugova is
 continuing. The U.S. administration is inclined to support the
 former. Kosovo is becoming a center for narcotics trafficked by
 various KLA factions.

 What are the real aspirations of the KLA leaders? Their aim is to
 take over Albania with the support of its deposed president, the
 corrupt Sali Berisha, who has been their strongest supporter
 since before the war in Kosovo. Mr. Berisha is himself involved
 in drug trafficking, and has helped train some of the KLA
 factions. The Albanian "allies" of Mrs. Albright and Mr. Rubin
 are accomplices to the Kosovo authoritarian regime, which is not
 in conformity with U.S. purposes of creating democracy and
 stability.

 Jim Hoagland (The Washington Post, Aug. 19) in "Gangsters or good
 guys?" writes, "Kosovo's guerrillas turn out to be better
 politicians than Kosovo's politicians when it comes to winning
 over the Clinton administration." According to Mr. Hoagland, Mrs.
 Albright's confidant Mr. Rubin "has played a surprising
 operational role in elevating the international profile of the
 KLA's young leadership."

 From the early days of the Yugoslav conflict, the administration
 sought allies in their campaign against Mr. Milosevic. In Bosnia,
 the U.S. allies were the Muslims. American-born Muslim Bosnian
 politicians played the American game brilliantly. They lobbied
 Congress, established strong links with the administration and
 played a key role in the partition of Bosnia at Dayton, which
 created a Muslim-Croat Bosnian state headed by a Muslim leader,
 Alija Izetbegovic, and the renegade Bosnian Serb state.

 The same policy of aligning with anti-Milosevic forces without
 examining their democratic credentials has taken place with the
 Albanians. It was Mr. Rubin that directly negotiated with the KLA
 on the process of its disarmament, which is far from complete.
 The KLA military factions are heavily equipped with arsenals
 hidden in caves in the mountains of Kosovo. Mr. Rubin made little
 effort to disabuse his political allies on the issue of
 disarmament, which is interpreted by his Albanian allies as a
 tacit U.S. endorsement.

 No lessons have yet been learned by the Clinton administration.
 Recent reports from Montenegro state that the United States has a
 new ally in the president of Montenegro, Milo Djukanovic. Mr.
 Djukanovic is doing his best to break away from the union with
 Yugoslavia, therefore challenging Mr. Milosevic.

 As in the case of Kosovo, Mr. Djukanovic is calling for a
 referendum for independence. The Serbian reaction is fierce,
 especially the Serbian military. The Montenegrin president has
 learned from the cases of Bosnia and Kosovo that U.S.
 certification is the first step toward independence. Although
 Montenegro does not have an army or guerrilla force, U.S.
 alignment with Mr. Djukanovic will eventually call for Serbian
 intervention. The United States may become a handmaiden for the
 third war in Yugoslavia.

 If you want to know what nation-building in Kosovo will look like
 as a result of U.S. patronage, examine carefully what is now
 happening in Bosnia. A lead article titled "Leaders in Bosnia are
 said to steal up to $1 Billion: Blow to Nation-Building" (New
 York Times, Aug. 17) states: "As much as a billion dollars has
 disappeared from public funds or been stolen from international
 aid projects through fraud carried out by 

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Question: what is the difference between rationality and logic? between
rationality and reason? Can you make a usable (i.e., non-jargonistic)
definition of "rationality"? How about "dogma"? Does it exist outside of a
religious context? Is there, perhaps, such a thing as a scientistic dogma?


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[CTRL] Was it a Paper Moon? Did we go to the Moon?

1999-08-27 Thread Gavin Phillips

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During my investigations and my ever questioning mind, I came across a book
by a guy named Bill Kaysing (a few years ago), entitled "We Never Went to the
Moon." He proposed that the Apollo missions were all staged. It sounds
utterly absurd, until I read his book. In 1997 Fortean Times magazine (which
I read) published a several page spread giving some of the evidence which
proved that we never went there. Like Bill Kaysing, they questioned the
Apollo photographs and hired a top British photography expert to analyse
them. He concluded they were all faked, i.e. shot on a set, the lighting and
shadows were all out of wack.

Fast forward to about a year ago. A French self taught physicist met Bill and
also became convinced the Apollo missions were a fraud. He wrote a very
dificult to get book, "NASA Mooned America." Last year on CTRL I heard about
a video made by  investigative reporter (James Collier, co-author of
"Votescam")called, "Was it Only a Paper Moon?" I just purchased and watched
the two hour video and I'm convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that NASA
staged one of the biggest hoax's ever perpetrated on America. Below are some
of the many obvious mistakes in NASA's Apollo productions.

Jim Collier ( the reporter) went to a lot of trouble making measurements of
the module they supposedly went in and came to a valid conclusion that, with
all their bulky breathing apparatus, they wouldn't have been able to get in
and out of the bloody thing. The craft in the museum was different to the
craft shown in supposedly live B/W footage of the craft, and the pilots
floating in and out of the hatch, THE HATCH IS OBVIOUSLY WIDER AND THE RIVETS
ARE DIFFERENT.

1. The most incredible part of his investigation was the fact that when he
went to NASA to ask for all the documentation on one of the most important
events of the 20th cetnury, they had destroyed it all. When he went to
Boeing, who made the Lan, Apollo craft, guess what, they had destroyed all of
the documentation too!!

2. One of the reasons he wanted the Lans specs was because it had jets
mounted on the top of the craft on the left and right. These jets were
supposed to power the craft horizontally, while the main propulsion came from
below. He wanted to know the physics of how those two top jets could function
and the craft not flip around in circles, getting nowhere?

3. The Rover, (battery car) that they ran around in on the moon,  in one
famous scene they take it for a spin and it is kicking up dust from the rear
tires. The problem is the dust goes up at the most 8 feet, with no atmosphere
on the moon and 1/6 th the gravity, that dust should rise about 60 feet and
end in a perfect arch. It doesn't, it goes up eight feet and abruptly stops.
It hits atmosphere because it was a filmed somewhere in the USA according to
Jim.

4. There isn't one star seen whilst they are on the moon. With no atmosphere
the stars should be incredibly clear and bright. I read the reason the NASA
didn't include the stars was because it would be extremely difficult to fool
Astronomers and get star placement correct.

5. One shot shows an imprint of astronaut's shoe in the Moon surface. How can
there be enough moisture in a 250 degree heat dustbowl to hold particles
together to make an imprint? How could thay survive in the craft in that kind
of heat?

6. When they supposedly land on the moon the footage looks really fake. With
.10,000 pounds of thrust there should have been a massive dust cloud. Instead
it looks like airbrushing. There is no crater under the exhaust.

7. As I said before, all the photographs , (and there aren't that many
considering it was such a momentous event) are off. Shadows are wrong and
lighting angles do not match up with the only light source, the sun. The dark
side of the craft is lit up like Disneyland; where did that light come from?

8. A very important question is one of radiation. Once they got clear of the
earths atmosphere the radiation will kill you very quickly. The craft and
suits did not look as if they were hermetically sealed.

9. We know white men can't jump, but on the moon one of the astro's only
jumps about 4 feet. With only 1/6 the gravity, why only 4 feet? Why didn't
they throw a ball 60 feet in the air instead of throwing an equipment case 4
feet above their heads?

10. Here's a good one. A moon rock has a letter C on it and is rounded in
parts. How can you round a rock with no wind, rain or sand erosion and no
atmosphere? I guess props missed that one.

11. Why didn't they place mirror reflectors up there so we would know for
sure that they went there?

12. In shots inside the craft as it heads for the Moon, how come blue light
(looks like sky)is coming in through one of the windows? There's no blue
light in space.

And the anomolies keep on coming. It is incedible nobody has bothered really
getting answers to these questions. The only criticism I have of his video is
that he didn't get or at least try to get 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #1

1999-08-27 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 990827a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No crop circle makers were harmed during the production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Video Games Train Kids To Kill Says Military Expert. HAMILTON -- A U.S.
  psychologist who spent 25 years teaching soldiers how to kill says violent
  video games are turning a whole generation of young people into killers.
  In a chilling warning to Canada's police chiefs, retired Lt. Col. Dave
  Grossman said the games have the same desensitizing effect as military
  killing simulators, which ingrain soldiers with a homicidal reflex. Then
  he squashed a wombat. http://www.sightings.com/politics4/vid.htm

: Have you been trained to kill? Did your training involve videogames, mind-
control rays, animal mutilation, bayonets, lasers, napalm? Is it fun? How??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ On 26.Aug.99 in alt.paranormal.crop-circles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  i may have an answere,but need more info/crop phenomenon.
  go back into the archives of the first photograhpic images recorded of the
  formations, and assemble them all from all over the world in chronological
  order to present making sure to use only the dated images that are consid-
  ered unexplained. now assemble them in such a way that all of them may be
  seen at a glance. now carefully redraw them exactly in a row by the time
  they appeared. now study the mathematical formulas in their goemetrical
  patterns. you should find nearly the same if not the exact same re-occur-
  ing mathematical patterns. i feel that these formations may be some sort
  of script. maybe an alphebet, possibly whole trains of thought. chu-chu:
  http://x23.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=517556116CONTEXT=935766320.1834090523

: Do you embed trains of thought in y'r crop circles? Do you only embed y'r
thought-trains in crop circles that will be considered unexplained? Why???
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Religious in Turkey believe quake is divine warning. (AP) The quake hit
  the heartland of secular Turkey, but has stoked religious fervor among
  some Turks looking for reason behind the random devastation. A radical
  Islamic group, Hezbollah, smashed windows and bottles at a state-owned
  liquor store in Istanbul, blaming booze peddlers for bringing damnation.
  http://upway.com/cgi-bin/readnews?day=99_08_25item=#935626099

# Hizbullah moving to Europe? Hizbullah is thought to be shifting its base
  from Lebanon to Europe and has stepped up the recruitment of Europeans to
  help carry out its operations. Senior sources in Israeli military intel-
  ligence claim the group is changing its location in anticipation of a
  possible peace deal between Israel and Syria. Peace is intolerable:
  http://upway.com/cgi-bin/readnews?day=99_08_26item=#935722460

: Do your deities smite the Earth and its inhabitants due to human weakness?
Do you wage war for your deity(s)? Do voices in your head insist? What's y'r
favorite non/random devastation? Who would you like to devastate? When? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# 'Jolly Lama' spreads message. (U-WIRE) STILLWATER, Okla. "Do you love
  sinners, Preacher Bob yes or no?" "I love them with a perfect hatred."
  "What do you think about the guy preaching earlier, Bob?" "I hate his
  message." "Why?" "He was wearing an earring that already makes him
  suspicious." http://news.excite.com/news/uw/990826/odd-216

: Do you love sinners? Do sinners love you? Are you a sinner? Are you love-
able? Who do you hate? Why do you hate? Are you hated? For good reasons???
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Palestinian officials deny Holocaust. The Zionist Organization of America
  (ZOA) urged Sec. of State Madeleine Albright, meeting with PA official Abu
  Mazen, to pressure him to publicly retract his claim that the Nazis didn't
  murder six million Jews. Abu Mazen (nee Mahmoud Abbas) wrote a book, "The
  Other Side: The Secret Relationship Between Nazism and the Zionist Move-
  ment," which argues that the Nazis really killed less than a million Jews
  and that "the Zionist movement was a partner in the slaughter of the
  Jews." http://upway.com/cgi-bin/readnews?day=99_08_26item=#935688175

: Who's your favorite Holocaust denier? Are you a Holocaust denier? What's
y'r favorite disinformation campaign? Do you promulgate disinformation? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Home-Made Sauna Kills Monk, Followers. BANGKOK (Reuters) An 88-year-old
  Buddhist monk  three elderly women died and five people were hospitalized
  in northern Thailand after they spent hours in a home-made herbal sauna,
  police said. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990827/10/odd-thailand-sauna

: Do you prefer your monks/priests/pastors broiled, boiled, fried, baked, or
BBQ'd? Are they best with an herbal sauce, peppercorns, jalapenos, or Dijon?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiLinks:

# 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3

1999-08-27 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 990827c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No lonely cosmonauts were harmed during the production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Stress makes baby girls likelier. (BBC) People who suffer severe emotional
  stress around the time they conceive a baby are more likely to parent a
  girl: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_431000/431219.stm

: What are the implications of stress-makes-girls? Are population gender im-
balances signs of too much stress? Are you stressed by people, aliens, me?
Do ETs deliberately stress humanity to get the gender mix they prefer? How?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# GENE THERAPY - A REVOLUTION IN HEALING. In 1990, a 4-year-old girl with a
  form of severe combined immunodeficiency disease (SCID) became the first
  person to undergo gene therapy -- the transplantation of genes into cells
  to treat or even prevent disease in people. Fervor erupted over early gene
  therapy trials: http://cnn.com/HEALTH/mayo/9908/26/gene.therapy/index.html

# 'Scientists started Aids epidemic'. (BBC) A polio vaccine using tissue
  from primates could have been behind the leap made by the human immuno-
  deficiency virus [HIV] from apes and moneys to humans, a new book claims.
  Oops: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_431000/431167.stm

# Scientists develop plague vaccine. LONDON (AP) UK govt scientists have
  developed a vaccine against bubonic plague to help protect military
  troops from biological warfare. The vaccine is in a "particularly
  advanced stage" of development and is ready to be tested on humans.
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560882925-6eb

: What's your favorite therapy? Have you developed any therapies lately? Are
there unforseen side-effects? Have you accidentally started a plague? Which?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Water found in meteorite. (BBC)  Scientists have made the first discovery
  of liquid water in a meteorite that fell to Earth over Texas in 1998. Ker-
  splash: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_431000/431496.stm

# Scientists examine meteorite water. WASHINGTON (AP) Scientists who cracked
  open a meteorite that fell to earth last year found tiny pockets of briny
  water, providing the first close look at water not originating on earth.
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560887782-445

: Are you excited about the discovery of fossilized Reptilioid piss? Will a
superior beer or ale result from this discovery? Are Australians thrilled??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Impressive debut for Chandra. (BBC) The first stunning pictures from the
  new Chandra X-ray observatory are made public. Better eyes than Superman:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_431000/431168.st

@ Image: http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9908/26/chandra.01/cassiopeia.large.jpg
@ Sites: Chandra X-ray telescope: http://www.xraytelescope.com/
@ Harvard-Smithsonian Chandra Center: http://chandra.harvard.edu/
@ NASA Chandra X-ray Observatory News: http://chandra.nasa.gov/

# FIRST CHANDRA IMAGES SHOW STELLAR EXPLOSION, X-RAY JET. A gigantic stellar
  explosion with maybe a neutron star or black hole at its center is one of
  the first crisp offerings of NASA's newest space telescope. Another image
  shows a powerful X-ray jet blasting 200,000 light years into intergalactic
  space from a distant quasar. The images prove NASA's $1.5 billion Chandra
  X-ray Observatory is in excellent health, its instruments and optics
  performing well.  http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9908/26/chandra.01/index.html

: What're your favorite XRays, black holes, neutron stars? Do you have pix?
Did you XRay a Reptilioid lately? What are they like inside? Are they hot??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Mir cosmonauts in final checks. (BBC) The crew of Russia's Mir space
  station are spending their last day on board the ageing craft before
  leaving it to fly unmanned around the Earth, engines sputtering.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_431000/431119.stm

# Farewell to Mir. (BBC) Looking back over 14 eventful years of the Mir:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_431000/431556.stm
# Sharman Reflects. Briton Helen Sharman recalls her flight to Mir in 1991.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_431000/431039.stm
# Mir: A timeline. Mir was supposed to remain in space for just five years.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_62000/62716.stm

: Will you miss Mir? Will Mir miss you? Where will it crash? Will it be hij-
acked? Who'll steal Mir? What will they do with it? D'ya wanna run Mir? Is
it a good platform for beaming mind-control rays at Earth? Is it cozy? Yah?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Waco-A-Rama:

# FBI/Waco: http://www.apbonline.com/911/1999/08/25/fbi0825_01.html
@ Waco Burns: 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #2

1999-08-27 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 990827b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No email imploded during the production of this bulletin. That I know of.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# IMPLODING MESSAGES: YOU *HAD* MAIL. Say hello to the newest in über-
  encrypted email. It's so secure it self-destructs after you read it.
  Oh, and there's a US$50k reward for anyone who can decipher the key.
  Fading ink: http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/21452.html

# Bank Sent Investors Virus In E-Mail. TOKYO (Reuters) One of Japan's
  biggest banks said it accidentally e-mailed a computer virus to some
  global investors last week, but said no harm was done to the investors'
  or its own computer network systems. Not that they know of, anyway...

: Do you look forward to surprises in your email? Do you prefer email that
bites, explodes, burns, stinks, infects, rots, multiplies, disappears? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Scared Ranchers Trade Cattle By Video. BOGOTA (Reuters) Colombian ranchers
  are using videos to trade cattle rather than travel to auctions in the
  countryside and run the risk of being kidnapped by Marxist guerrillas.
  Rational: http://news.excite.com/news/r/990827/10/odd-colombia-cattle

# TV To Transmit War In Black And White. BOGOTA (Reuters) Colombian TV will
  stop airing color images of its long-running guerrilla war and instead
  broadcast scenes of political violence in black and white, industry chiefs
  said Thursday. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990827/10/odd-media-colombia

: Would you rather kill ranchers, cattle or guerillas? Would you rather see
live or dead cattle, in black-and-white or color, in person or on tape? Can
the images be manipulated by mind-controllers, aliens, robots, me? What for?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# 'A FLAW WORSE THAN MELISSA'. A Windows bug permits an attacker to take
  control of an entire PC, and all the owner has to do is open an email
  message. http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/21459.html

# Swatting Down the Win 98 Bug. A day after significant security issues in
  Windows and ActiveX were shown, companies scrambled to patch and spin.
  LogiEpoxy: http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/21456.html

: What's your favorite WinBug? Is it a bug or a feature? Is Windoze a virus?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Tree-Eating Beetle Invades Manhattan. NEW YORK (Reuters) New York City
  seems to be getting hit with catastrophes of biblical proportions this
  summer. First sweltering heat, then drought, then floods that strand
  thousands of people and now a plague of locusts well, tree-eating Asian
  long-horned beetles to be exact. First-born sons are considered at risk
  next: http://news.excite.com/news/r/990827/10/odd-beetle-manhattan

: What's your favorite catastrophe of biblical proportions? Have you gener-
ated any catastrophes lately? Who have you afflicted? Why? Is it fun? Where?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Lobster-Cam on the Web. PORTLAND, Maine (AP)  A new Web site is launching
  lobsters into cyberspace. It's based inside an underwater trap at Spruce
  Head, where a camera sends a new photo to http://www.midcoast.com/lobcam/
  every 2 minutes, sometimes showing a caged crustacean poking its antennae
  around or climbing across the lens. The pictures can only be seen during
  the day until a burnt-out light in the trap is fixed. Sounds fishy to me.
  See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560882072-6f0

: What's your favorite crustacean? Do you like to spy on crustaceans? Would
you mind if crustaceans spied on you? Do they crawl around inside your head?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Hippo Hurts Census Official. NAIROBI (Reuters) A hippopotamus seriously
  injured a census official in Kenya's Hell's Gate national park, the latest
  in a spate of accidents hampering the population survey, newspapers
  reported Friday. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990827/10/odd-hippo

: Have hippo-controllers teamed with conservatives to thwart census efforts?
How effectively will the US census be disrupted? What animals will be used?

# Killer Bees Kill One, Injure 12:
  http://news.excite.com/news/r/990826/09/odd-mexico-bees
# Boy Attacked By Piranha In Canal:
  http://news.excite.com/news/r/990826/09/odd-japan-piranha

: Have animals declared war on humans? Have humans declared war on animals?

# Woman Charged With Stomping Mice In Porn Video. LOS ANGELES (Reuters) A
  woman was ordered to stand trial on animal cruelty charges after a judge
  viewed part of a pornographic videotape that showed her apparently stomp-
  ing mice to death. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990827/10/odd-crime-mice

: Would you rather stomp mice, attack a census official, or be maimed by
bees and fish? Is bee-squishing pornographic? Have you had sex with a hippo?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Y2K-a-Rama:

# Y2K - Major 

Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread Bob Stokes

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In a message dated 99-08-27 12:40:55 EDT, Ric Carter writes:

 Nope.  I think Koresh and his lieutenants did the killing.  I'm
 amazed that so many people choose to support this psychopath;
 amazed, but not really surprised.  I suspect a coordinated disinfo
 campaign, possibly Chinese-sponsored, directed at all US gov't
 actions, a classic Leninist strategy to demoralize the US people.

 This runs in parallel with moves to discredit science, especially
 evolution, in an effort to destroy US science education and reduce
 productivity of US workers, China's only hope to gain an advantage
 in the world economy, now that their own economy is faltering.

 Is this a stretch?  Not at all.  The same people who're are Waco
 conspiratorialists are also anti-evolutionists.  The propaganda
 campaigns are well-coordinated, eh?  Think about it.  

 Interesting speculation!  My thoughts were that this media frenzy is to
take the heat off Bush Jr. and the cocaine thing.  Istead of a Wag the Dog
scenario it is a Wag the Media ploy.  Could be that the Bush Jr. and the
cocaine dirge will disappear after this.  I would think that Red China's
economy would depend on the US buying their products since nearly everything
for sale is made there except cars.

Regards,
Bob Stokes

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[CTRL] [1] The Secret War Against The Jews

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
The Secret War Against The Jews
John Loftus  Mark Aarons©1994
ISBN 0-312-11057-X
658pps - first edition
St. Martin’s Press
175 Fifth Avenue
New York, NY, 10010
-

 Whatsoever ye shall do
unto the least of men . . .
So shall ye do
also unto me

   —Jesus of Nazareth, called by the Romans
 "King of theJews," circa A.D. 32

  Fuck theJews . . .
   they won't
   vote for us anyway.

—The Honorable James Baker, Secretary of State,
 United States of America, circa A.D. 1992


 INTRODUCTION
THE SECRET WAR AGAINST THE JEWS

The major powers of the world have repeatedly planned covert operations to
bring about the partial or total destruction of Israel. Long before there
even was a Jewish state in Palestine, Western spies already were out to wreck
the Zionist dream. The savage extent of the secret wars against the Jews will
horrify the Western public. This chapter of espionage history, beginning in
the 1920s, and continuing to the present day, has never been revealed before.
Half a world away from Israel, a sleepy suburban community hides one of
the secret entrances to the underworld of espionage. Most, but not all, of
the classified archives of the U.S. government are in Suitland, Maryland,
just outside Washington,D.C. The Suitland complex contains several restricted
access buildings, including the one where Jonathan Pollard worked for Naval
Intelligence, before he was discovered to be an Israeli spy.
Across from the Naval Intelligence facility with its geodesic radar domes
is a one-story brick warehouse, built as a storage annex for the National
Archives. This is where the government's secrets are buried, literally. Only
the top floor shows above ground. It is a long, low building, about the
length of a football field, surrounded by wide, well-mowed grassy fields that
yield no clue of what lies beneath.
Anyone can visit the top floor of the facility. It is open to the public.
There is even a shuttle out to the Suitland annex from downtown Wash ington.
The gray government van stops halfway between the White House and the Capitol
on the corner of the imposing main Archives building on Pennsylvania Avenue,
in front of the motto carved in stone: "What is past is prologue."
It is chilling to be reminded that history really does repeat itself. The
National Archives hold the records of the Indian wars, the American
Revolution, the War of 1812, the Civil War, the Spanish-American War, World
War I, World War II, Korea, and Vietnam. Most of these records are held in
storage at Suitland. The original documents lie in humble gray boxes, on row
after row of dark metal shelves. Here are the orders of generals and rosters
of immigrants. Here are the files of American diplomacy and foreign policy.
The Suitland vaults also contain the records of American espionage and
covert action, the kind of foreign policy that the history books are not
meant to mention. Beneath the public reading rooms on the first floor is
another world. It is entered from a locked elevator that can be operated only
with a coded security card.
In the underworld below, one-third of modern history is still classi
fied. Here are the captured files of the Third Reich, some of which are still
secret half a century later. Here are records of the British secret service,
which no unprivileged British or American citizens are allowed to see. There
are levels and levels of hidden nuances, layers of secrets. After the journey
down, the elevator doors open onto a long, wide underground street stretching
off into the distance, dimly lit by ceiling lights fifty feet overhead.
On either side of the cement street are tall, thick, blast-proof doors,
the kind you see in old-fashioned banks. Some of the heavy steel doors are
open. Small squares of bright light spill out onto the street from the
entrances to the vaults. There are about twenty of these enormous storage
caverns, each approximately an acre in size. It is like the last scene from
the movie Raiders of the Lost Ark.
The aisles of the vaults stretch hundreds of feet away into the darkness.
From the aisles, rows and rows of shelves stacked with classified files reach
two stories up to the ceiling. The workers scurry about pushing giant
stepladders on wheels as they retrieve the old documents from their slumber.
As you come out of the elevator, the number-six vault on the left belongs
to the National Archives. Just inside the door to this top-secret room are
several plain wooden tables, a small office, and several rows of filing
cabinets. Only a few people from the National Archives staff work here. The
rest are teams of retired spies or reserve officers from one of the military
intelligence agencies on their annual tour of duty. They are reviewing the
old classified files, page by page, to see what can be handed over to the
Archives staff and passed upstairs into the public domain. It is a slow
process, 

[CTRL] Responding to Bioterrorism: the Role of the Microbiology Laboratory

1999-08-27 Thread Robert Tatman

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http://www.asmusa.org/memonly/asmnews/aug99/forum.html

American Society for Microbiology (ASM)

James W. Snyder is Professor of Pathology and Director of Microbiology in the
Department of Pathology, Division of Laboratory Medicine, University of
Louisville School of Medicine and Hospital, Louisville, Ky. He serves on the
ASM Professional Affairs Committee.

Links to Other ASM Pages:

Table of Contents
ASM News Issues
 Responding to Bioterrorism: the Role of the Microbiology Laboratory

The Clinical Microbiology Laboratory will play a critical role in countering
bioterrorism; what is the level of preparedness required to respond to such an
event?

James W. Snyder

Bioterrorism poses a formidable new challenge to the clinical microbiology
laboratory. The detection and recognition of the agents predicted to be used
in acts of terrorism will, without a doubt, challenge the capacity and
capability of many clinical microbiology laboratories in obtaining as much
information as is possible in the shortest period of time. For example, the
detection of Bacillus anthracis, the agent of anthrax, is not complex and its
recovery in blood cultures during the active pneumonic form of the disease is
common. However, most laboratories, when encountering Bacillus spp. in blood
cultures, commonly regard such isolates as contaminants and do not pursue
further identification or consider the possibility of the isolate being B.
anthracis. Even greater problems would occur for viruses and toxins which are
not normally examined for in the clinical microbiology laboratory. There is a
significant need for reagents and rapid detection procedures for the detection
of such agents.

The role that the clinical microbiology laboratory will play is of great
importance to the frontline clinicians and emergency personnel who are
dependent upon this information for guiding therapy, assessing the need for
decontamination and isolation of patients, instituting preventive measures,
and maintaining a safe environment. Its major responsibility will be to
detect, recover, and identify the etiological agent.

Three scenarios have been identified that will require the involvement of the
clinical microbiology laboratory: 1) an overt act of bioterrorism in which the
Federal Bureau of Investigation would request the assistance of the local
microbiology laboratory to provide a preliminary analysis of an environmental
sample suspected of containing a biological agent; 2) a covert act leading to
a disease outbreak during the early stages of which the laboratory would
receive samples from patients exhibiting varying disease etiologies and apply
routine diagnostic procedures that are not targeted to the detection of
biothreat agents; 3) a confrmed outbreak (late stage), in which specimens
would be received from patients who are suspected of having been exposed to a
biological agent and the laboratory would be requested to identify the
specific agent.

Due to the disparity in expertise and levels of diagnostic capabilities that
exist among clinical microbiology laboratories throughout the United States,
strategies for dealing with biological agents must be identified and directed
to increasing the capacity of the laboratory in countering bioterrorism. Such
strategies should not be strictly focused on the laboratory but rather
developed and designed as part of a total plan to facilitate integration with
surveillance and epidemiology programs, and most importantly, communication
between laboratories. These and other related issues were addressed at the
recent Partnership Meeting on Responding to Bioterrorism convened by the
Center for Infectious Diseases and held at the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention in Atlanta, Georgia.

The current assessment is that most clinical microbiology laboratories do not
possess the capacity or the expertise to detect and accurately identify those
biological agents classified as high priority, namely the agents causing
anthrax, brucellosis, botulism, cholera, plague, and smallpox. Several reasons
can be identified to account for this lack of capacity and expertise: (1)
restriction of the level of service to the recovery and identification of
bacteria and not the detection of toxins and viruses; (2) the lack of a
biosafety level III facility for the handling of biological agents in many
laboratories; (3) the dilution of the pool of microbiologists who are trained
in classical microbiology; (4) the outsourcing of microbiology tests by some
facilities which thus are in no position to respond to a bioterrorist act; (5)
the lack of reliable and rapid diagnostic tests and culture media for the
detection and recovery of the targeted biological agents; (6) the lack of
communication between laboratories, resulting in failure to notify other
laboratories within the local or regional area that a bioterrorist act has
occurred or to supply information regarding the suspected agent; and (7) the
unwillingness of some 

[CTRL] [2] The Secret War Against The Jews

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
The Secret War Against The Jews
John Loftus  Mark Aarons©1994
ISBN 0-312-11057-X
658pps -
St. Martin’s Press
175 Fifth Avenue
New York, NY, 10010
--[2]--

PART III

The Age of Stupidity  -  1974-1992

Many readers will be surprised that there is a third section of this book.
They might believe that the secret war against the Jews petered out with the
Yom Kippur War in 1973 and ended with Angleton’s retirement in 1974. Any
reasonable person might expect that the peculiar combination of bigotry and
greed that gave momentum to previous anti-Semitic operations could never be
repeated in these modern times.

 We understand the argument that Westem civilization has progressed too
far to tolerate another devious bigot like Jack Philby. The courts and
legislatures would not perrnit another greedy manipulator like Allen DuLles
to arise. The press and public scrutiny would never again permit Israel to be
endangered for the sake of oil. Our nations have outgrown their fathers'
secret sins. The "old spies" belong to another age.

 After all, the old order has crumbled away Jimmy Carter, Menachim Begin,
and Anwar Sadat signed the Carnp David Accords, the Berlin Wall came down,
the Soviet Union has been overthrown from within, the United Nations smashed
Saddam Hussein, and peacekeepers are trying for the first time to intervene
in places such as Bosnia-Hercegovenia and Somalia. Even the Israelis and the
Palestine Liberation Organization are shaking hands and slowly learning to
live together. The wars are over everywhere. The world has changed. We have
learned that what is past is not always prologue. We have learned to let the
Jews live in peace.

 Our sources in the intelligence community say that we have learned
nothing and that nothing has changed except the levels of secrecy. Every evil
thing that happened behind the scenes in the Holocaust and the Cold War
happened again recently. The secret espionage war against the Jews continued.
It was just better concealed, that's all. Like a great stage shrouded in
darkness, the play went on with new characters playing the same parts, acting
out the same scenes. Only the names on the playbill are different.

 Thirty years later Jimmy Carter played the part of the naive but honest
President Truman. Neither man knew that he was not in control of his own
government, let alone the intelligence community. Just as the Vessel fraud
deceived Truman in the 1940s, the “disappearing oil scam” completely conned
the Carter White House in the 1970s. It was virtually the same trick, only
the victims had changed.

 Ronald Reagan recently revived the part of President Eisenhower. Both
were affable grandfathers, beloved by the general public. Both were elderly
men with serious health problems who took long naps and paid more attention
to outdoor recreation than the affairs of state. Both relied on unscrupulous
aides to make their policy for them. Both claimed ''plausible deniabiLity''
and shifted the blame when caught in a lie. Both were gifted liars, who paid
smiling lip service to Israel while aiding its Arab enemies.

 James Baker played the part of Secretary of State John Foster Dulles.
Both were anti-lsraeli; both secretly sent arms and money to appease
Jew-hating dictators; both were surprised when the dictators declared war on
Israel. Saddam Hussein of Iraq and President Hafe Assad of Syria alternately
played the part of Hitler.

 The part of CIA chief Allen Dulles, was played by his own protege, Bill
Casey, a genial crook witlh no sense of personal morality or national
principles. Both used the intelligence services for personal profit and for
the benefit of the oil companies. Both. used the British secret service to
hide illegal operations from Congress. Dulles put the Nazis on the payroll;
Casey hired Arab terrorists. Both had "useful idiots" who did their bidding.

 In Dulles's day, Frank Wisner played the part of loyal buffoon and
private spy. In Casey's day, it was Oliver North. Both were narrow-minded
patriots who hated bigotry but elevated stupidity to an art form. Both ran
secret offices outside the normal channels of govermnent, without any
supervision or screening of their agents. Wisner hired Nazis who turned out
to be Communist agents. North hired a PLO terrorist who tumed out to be a
Communist agent. Wisner killed himself when he realized what he had done.
North may be too unaware ever to understand how much harm he has caused to
the United States and Israel.

 Caspar Weinberger re-created the role of Secretary of DefenseJames
Forrestal. Both were anti-lsraeli, pro-Arab, hard-nosed businessmen,
determined to make the Middle East safe for American oil companies. The
Bechtel Corporation starred as the Bechtel Corporation. The corrupt British.
secret sernce played itself. Same things never change.

 Finally, George Bush played the part of Vice President Nixon, but with
different motivation. Nixon's 

[CTRL] [3] The Secret War Against The Jews

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
The Secret War Against The Jews
John Loftus  Mark Aarons©1994
ISBN 0-312-11057-X
658pps -  first edition
St. Martin’s Press
175 Fifth Avenue
New York, NY, 10010
--[3]--
CHAPTER 16

THE MEXICAN CONNECTION

The history books say that George Bush was a war hero, a Texas entrepreneur,
then a senior figure in several Republican administrations. As president, he
worked for a kinder, gentler nation. Our sources in the intelligence
community said that the American public knows more about Kurt Waldheim's
background than they do about President Bush's. George was himself one of the
"old spies."[1]

The American voters who read Bush's 1987 autobiography, Looking Forward,
certainly would have had no idea about many of the seamier sides to his
family background, his business and espionage activities, and his political
career. It was a thoroughly sanitized version of history. But does that make
him a bad man?

According to a recent history, Spider's Web, by Alan Friedman, George Bush
was certainly a devious man. The American arms sales to Egypt and Saudi
Arabia begun by Carter were illegally diverted to Iraq soon after Reagan and
Bush took office. Once American arms started going to the Arabs, only a few
regimes, such as Gadhafi's Libya, could not obtain shipments. It was Bush
himself who arranged the financing, established the policy, and created the
covert arms network that backed Saddam Hussein .[2]

As discussed in the last chapter, when Bush was director of the CIA in the
1970s, the Agency published false oil data to justify the arming of the Arab
nations. After Bush returned to office in the 1980s, his arms-for-oil agenda
became clear. According to Friedman's analysis of CIA files, U.S. purchases
of Iraqi oil increased twelvefold to over 1 million barrels a day, which
helped finance Iraq's war machine .[3]

From the beginning, Bush's policy was clearly tilted toward the Arabs and
away from Israel. In 1981, when the Israelis destroyed Saddam Hussein's
nuclear reactor at Osirak, Bush was the first world leader to say that Israel
needed to be punished.[4] Even after Iraq turned American weapons against
Israel in the Gulf War in 1991, Bush refused to permit Israeli pilots to
defend their country for fear it would irritate the other Arab nations. The
Israeli intelligence officers we spoke to regard Bush as their most vicious
American opponent since Allen Dulles.[5]

 There is, however, no consensus among the Western intelligence com-munity.
Some of our sources agree with the Israelis that George Bush was the last,
and the worst, of the Dulles clique that brought the CIA into discredit.[6]
Others say that George Bush is a good man with bad friends. His only major
character flaw was an excessive personal loyalty to friends and family. Bush
himself was ignorant of the plotting that went on around him.[7]

Although it is true that your friends will do you more damage than your
enemies, at some point Bush's defense of ignorance wears a bit thin. A joke
going around during the Iran-Contra scandal said that "The two biggest lies
in Washington are that Ronald Reagan was in the loop and George Bush was out
of it." Because of the importance of Bush's role in the history of covert
operations against Israel, we discuss his background in some detail. It is a
history that has never been revealed fully before.

In this chapter we consider the following allegations:

o   Bush's father and grandfather worked with Allen Dulles to finance the
Third Reich and then, when war broke out, cloaked their activities under the
cover of intelligence operations.

o   George Bush established an oil leasing business in Texas, the biggest
client of which was Edwin Pauley, Dulles's confidant, Nixon's bagman, and a
front man for CIA money laundering. Bush himself played a minor role in CIA
covert operations from the early 1960s.

o   Through Pauley, Nixon recruited Bush to handle a variety of sensitive
assignments. Bush later asked Nixon to resign for fear that the Watergate
investigations might uncover further scandals.

o   While not anti-Semitic, Bush was definitely anti-Israeli and pro-Arab, a
bias that colored American oil and arms policy in the Middle East.

The real story of George Bush starts well before he launched his own career.
It goes back to the 1920s, when the Dulles brothers and the other pirates of
Wall Street were first making their deals with the Nazis. To understand
Bush's role as a senior official of the Republican party, as head of the CIA,
as U.S. vice president, and then, ultimately, in the White House, it is
important to trace the Bush family roots right back to the beginning of the
secret espionage war against the Jews.

Bush's family, say many of the former intelligence officers we interviewed
for this chapter, was nothing to be proud of. The family, and especially his
grandfather and father, dragged him into some dirty business, and he stayed
with it too long, trying to make a bad thing 

Re: [CTRL] Nixon and Watergate Bibliography

1999-08-27 Thread ASu2431426

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K

has anyone checked SB list against this biblio?

there is a link in the Kennedy assassination.

Why not include ASE on the list, ? it might spark some work.


Your package will go out tomorrow.. I got enough info for you to describe one
rig, owned by Bush in detail,  including names of CIA personnel.on board.


T

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[CTRL] [4b] The Secret War Against The Jews

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
The Secret War Against The Jews
John Loftus  Mark Aarons©1994
ISBN 0-312-11057-X
658pps -
St. Martin’s Press
175 Fifth Avenue
New York, NY, 10010
--[4b]--

The British secret service had no choice other than to accept this situation.
Aspin and Banks had connections at the highest levels of American
intelligence. More established and "well connected" British security firms
were shouldered aside. Apparently, Aspin had told Bush too much. Aspin and
Banks had the CIA contract for Angola, and there was nothing the British
government could do about it.[54]

Banks enlisted the help of a friend in Special Branch, and at least four
members of the Aspin-Banks private army were members of the British secret
service.[55] But all in all, Aspin's mercenaries were a motley crew. The
first group of mercenaries were pulled out shortly after President Ford
terminated all CIA operations in Angola except for intelligence gathering.
Nothing, however, precluded a British citizen like Aspin from recruiting
replacements. By summertime, Aspin's forces would be the only Western army
left in Angola. The anti-Communist Angolans were getting nervous.

Despite the Congressional ban, there were continued promises of American
support. George Bush still had a few million dollars left in the CIA slush
fund for contingencies, some of which was promised to the Angolans. Henry
Kissinger told them to keep fighting no matter what Congress said and, within
days of the ban, gave promises of aid to Jonas Savimbi's UNITA.[56] It was
Leslie Aspin who stayed on the ground in Zaire, coordinating the war across
the border. Before the Americans pulled out, he made at least one close
friend from the American contingent, a young officer named Bill Buckley, who
had been detached to the CIA from Special Forces, the U.S. army's elite Green
Beret units, which specialize in psychological warfare and counterinsurgency.
The two men forged a link that led them to work together on other
under-the-table operations.[57]

As will be seen in Chapter 18, it was to be a fateful connection for the
secret espionage war against Israel. Aspin and Buckley were two of a kind:
ex-commandos, full of fun and energy, and willing to cut a few corners for
the sake of the mission. According to our sources, what endeared the pair to
the CIA was their disdain for bureaucratic niceties and their willingness to
bend the law a little to get the job done.[58]

Officially, George Bush was telling the regular staff of the CIA that they
had to obey the congressional ban and pull out of Angola. Unofficially, of
course, the CIA and Kissinger were telling the Angolans to keep on fighting.
Over the next year the mercenaries of the British secret service kept the
Angolan guerrillas afloat. By 1977, when Carter was sworn in as U.S.
president, Aspin's back-channel was well established. He had made the
under-the-table link between Bush and the British and South African
governments. Aspin's South African mercenary friends continued the major part
of the program, with the covert support of at least one oil company.[59]


It does not take a genius to figure out why an oil company was paying for
mercenaries after the CIA pulled out. Several U.S. oil companies had
multimillion-dollar investments in the oil-rich Cabinda region of Angola,
which they did not want to see in Communist hands. The irony is that the
Communist Angolan Government quickly pledged that the American oil companies
would be safe from nationalization and would continue to make healthy profits
in Angola. Obviously, no one believed this pledge.

That, say OUT intelligence sources, was what the war was really about: As in
the Middle East, the key was American oil rights.[60] Aspin's army eventually
achieved its victory at the negotiating table, and the British mercenary
troops eventually were called home, leaving the South Africans to launch
token resistance raids. Everybody at the CIA, including Buckley, got medals.
Aspin got a new job, as the unofficial British bagman for American covert
operations hidden from Congress.[61]

As we shall see, Aspin was one of the first arms traders to open an account
in the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, which played such an
important part in the secret espionage war against the Jews in the twelve
years when George Bush was vice president and then president.[62] It is no
coincidence that Aspin went back to work on joint British-American money
laundering just as U.S. intelligence was closing down one of the wildest, and
most illegal, money-laundering schemes in American history: the Ed Wilson
Affair.

The following version of events was told to us by an extremely reliable CIA
official with in-depth knowledge of the Wilson case and then confirmed by
other sources.[63] In 1971 Ed Wilson had been fired from the CIA and promptly
hired by a Naval Intelligence-National Security Agency joint operation known
as Task Force 157. The NSA was involved in this operation 

[CTRL] WHO Report on World Diseases 1999

1999-08-27 Thread Robert Tatman

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http://www.who.org/infectious-disease-report/pages/textonly.html
World Health Organization Report on Infectious Diseases

REMOVING OBSTACLES TO HEALTHY DEVELOPMENT


CONTENTS

BURDEN OF INFECTIOUS DISEASES
The biggest killer of the young
Six diseases cause 90% of infectious disease deaths
Infectious diseases are also among the biggest disablers

AFFORDABLE TO PREVENT
Avoidable at a low cost
Controllable in any country
The end of the line for some infectious diseases?

INADEQUATE RESPONSE
Investing in healthy development
Many countries do not yet use WHO recommended policies
Many factors contribute to the spread of infectious diseases

UNCERTAIN FUTURE
Diseases continue to catch the world off guard
Near misses
Medicines are losing their effectiveness
The world is becoming a smaller place for microbes

STAYING PREPARED
Development of new drugs and vaccines
The need for intensified research

A CALL FOR HEALTHY DEVELOPMENT
By Dr Gro Harlem Brundtland

Table 1: Priority steps for overcoming the burden of infectious diseases

Notes: 1. Throughout this report, the term "infectious disease" is used to
refer to all communicable diseases, including parasitic and zoonotic diseases,
and some forms of respiratory infections and diarrhoeal diseases. 2 $ refers
to US dollars. 3. The term "billion" is used to mean a thousand million.



1.1 THE BIGGEST KILLER OF THE YOUNG

An infectious disease crisis of global proportions is today threatening
hard-won gains in health and life expectancy. Infectious diseases are now the
world's biggest killer of children and young adults. They account for more
than 13 million deaths a year - one in two deaths in developing countries.
Over the next hour alone, 1 500 people will die from an infectious disease -
over half of them children under five. Of the rest, most will be working-age
adults - many of them breadwinners and parents. Both are vital age groups that
countries can ill afford to lose.
Most deaths from infectious diseases occur in developing countries - the
countries with the least money to spend on health care. In developing
countries, about one third of the population - 1.3 billion people - live on
incomes of less than $1 a day. Almost one in three children are malnourished.
One in five are not fully immunized by their first birthday. And over one
third of the world's population lack access to essential drugs. Against this
backdrop of poverty and neglect it is little wonder that deadly infectious
diseases have been allowed to gain ground. Today some of the poorest countries
are paying a heavy price for the world's complacency and neglect.
All this has been made worse by the huge increase in mass population movements
over the past decade. In 1996, as many as 50 million people - 1% of the
world's population - had been uprooted from their homes. Not only are refugees
and displaced people especially vulnerable to infectious disease; their
movement can help spread infectious diseases into new areas.
Meanwhile, the growth of densely populated cities with unsafe water, poor
sanitation and widespread poverty has created the perfect breeding ground for
outbreaks of disease. In deprived inner-city areas children are less likely to
be immunized against killer diseases and parents are less likely to be able to
pay for health care when they get sick. Under these circumstances, diseases
that were once under control can rapidly gain a foothold and re-establish
themselves.
In addition, many diseases once thought unrelated to infectious diseases -
especially cancers - are now known to be the result of chronic infections.
Cervical cancer, for example - one of the most common cancers among women in
the developing world - is now known to be associated with human papillomavirus
infection. Meanwhile, chronic infectious hepatitis B and hepatitis C can both
cause liver cancer and it is estimated that over 6% of the world's population
is at risk. And bladder cancer can result from chronic infection with
schistosomiasis.
But infectious diseases are not just a developing country problem. Unless
checked, the crisis threatens the industrialized countries as well. Old
scourges such as tuberculosis and diphtheria have occurred in explosive
epidemics in Europe and other industrialized countries. And a 1996 outbreak of
polio in Albania, Greece and the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia showed how
easily a disease can be reintroduced to countries once free of the disease if
immunization coverage is allowed to drop. A rapid increase in air travel has
meant that diseases can now be transported from one continent to another in a
matter of hours. Even today, no country is safe from the threat of infectious
diseases.
This is happening at a time when the arsenal of drugs available to treat
infectious diseases is being progressively depleted due to increasing
resistance of microbes to antimicrobial drugs.
Because the scale and complexity of the infectious disease crisis is so great,
and the causes 

[CTRL] [4a] The Secret War Against The Jews

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
The Secret War Against The Jews
John Loftus  Mark Aarons©1994
ISBN 0-312-11057-X
658pps -
St. Martin’s Press
175 Fifth Avenue
New York, NY, 10010
--[4a]--
CHAPTER 17

REHEARSAL IN ANGOLA

Most of the Western histories of Israeli intelligence are quite negative. The
book Dangerous Liaison, for example, portrays the Mossad as a group of
gunrunning maniacs, shipping arms to Africa and Latin America for personal
profit. Israeli arms deals have been widely exposed and just as widely
criticized by the media.

Our sources in the Western intelligence community have a slightly different
perspective.[1] In their opinion, the Mossad's arms transfers were quite
small in scope, usually conducted at the behest of other Western nations, and
often were submerged by much larger arms deals by Western intelligence
services that have escaped public attention. Israel is a lightning rod for
the media. Over the years it has become a convenient scapegoat for other
countries' operations.

"The Jews get paid to take the blame for our screw-ups," one former Pentagon
official admitted candidly. "The American Government cannot be seen in public
as propping up violent dictators who torture their own citizens. The Mossad
trains the security teams for America's clients. That is the price of doing
business."[2] According to our sources, a small but significant portion of
U.S. military assistance to Israel is diverted to fund operations of which
Congress would never approve. It is a kickback that Israel must pay to the
Pentagon, State Department, and CIA in return for their support on Capitol
Hill.[3]

Our sources believe that Israel would not get a cent out of Congress were it
not for the support of the military, the defense industry, and the
intelligence community.[4] The myth of the powerful Jewish lobby is,
unfortunately, just a myth, as is the claim that Jews dominate the American
media. At 6 percent of the population, Jews are one of the tiniest minorities
in the United States. Half of all American Jews live in the New YorkNew
Jersey area and another group is concentrated on the southeast coast of
Florida. All the rest of the states have less than 3 percent of Jewish
voters. Jews account for less than 1 percent of the population in 80 percent
of the U.S. congressional districts. They just lack the votes to get a
foreign aid bill through on their own. They need help.[5]

Many Israelis privately fear that their country has become an eco- nomic
colony of the American "military industrial complex." Annually that complex
contributes $3.8 billion to Israel-almost ten times the amount raised by the
United Jewish Appeal in the United States. "When 20 percent. of our nation's
budget depends on American largesse, we do as the Americans ask," said one
retired Israeli officer. Whether it is training security forces for an
African dictator or running guns to the Contras, the Jews do what they are
told to do.[6]

In fairness, the Israeli involvement in under-the-table arms and covert
operations is relatively small. Jews are small-time players in the world of
international arms sales. When it comes to covert operations, the Mossad is
almost insignificant compared to the American intelligence community. When
compared to the British secret service, the Jews are Boy Scouts.

For the really dirty tricks, heavy-duty arms deals, and outrageously illegal
covert operations, the Americans turn to Britain, not Israel. The British
government has the most repressive combination of libel laws, press
censorship, and criminal sanctions against disclosing intelligence operations
of any country in the democratic world. It knows how to keep a secret from
its own press, public, and Parliament. More important, it knows how to shift
the blame to others when an operation is exposed.

While Israel has been roundly criticized for training Africans how to kill,
smuggling guns to the Contras, and shipping arms to Iran, the British secret
service was doing much worse, much earlier, and in complete secrecy. The
Western public has no idea that the Jews were set up to take the blame for a
series of British operations. To this day, the Israeli public believes that
its intelligence service originated the Iran-Contra affair in 1985. They have
never been told that the British secret service was running the arms pipeline
several years earlier, at the request of Vice President George Bush.

To understand just how thoroughly the Jews were conned into taking the blame
for recent covert intelligence scandals, we must examine how the British-Bush
back-channel evolved. According to our sources, we must look back to Bush's
largest covert operation as CIA director: the Angolan civil war.

In fact, the Angolan war was the beginning of a web of scandals that is known
by a number of names: Irangate, the Iran-Contra Affair, and the BCCI.
Compared to this, the CIA's phony oil estimates in 1976 were only a minor
fraud and had a very minor impact on Israel. In 

[CTRL] Truth or Not the Truth

1999-08-27 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From intellectualcapital.com
http://intellectualcapital.com/issues/issue284/item6183.asp

 Truth, Justice and the American Way
 by Pete du Pont
 Thursday, August 26, 1999
 Comments: 89 posts Picture

 For decades, the Chinese government has
 been lying about the weather. The China Youth Daily reports that
 the government does not want people to realize that hot weather
 and suffocating air pollution are deteriorating the quality of
 life in Chinese cities. So for more than 30 years -- until last
 month -- the government never has reported a temperature higher
 than 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit.

 One’s immediate reaction is smugness. How could those crazy
 communists think they could get away with something as
 transparent as lying about the weather? And if they lie about the
 temperature …

 Lying from the top down

 But in America we have liars in high places, too. The federal
 judge in Paula Jones' sexual harassment lawsuit against President
 Clinton found that Clinton gave “false, misleading and evasive
 answers that were designed to obstruct the judicial process,” and
 fined him $90,000 because he “deliberately violated this court’s
 discovery orders, thereby undermining the integrity of the
 judicial system.” (For which the American Bar Association
 rewarded him in the same week with an invitation to address its
 annual meeting. Nice timing, sort of a retrospective aiding and
 abetting of perjury by the organization supposedly dedicated to
 supporting the rule of law.)

 Picture:  Could a government that lies about sex lie about other
 things?  Could a government that lies about sex lie about other
 things? The president also lied to us when he said, “I did not
 have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.” Could it
 be that a government that lies about sex also could lie about
 other things as well? Sort of like the Chinese government does?

 Read on, and see for yourself.

 Item: The July 24 New York Times reported in a front-page story
 that at the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, an arm of the Energy
 Department, scientific work tying cancer to electric power cables
 was fabricated in order to gain additional grants. You may recall
 that some years ago the power line/cancer link caused furor among
 the Luddites: The evil industrialists were at it at it again,
 inflicting cancer on unsuspecting citizens. More than a billion
 dollars was spent mitigating a non-existent threat created by
 falsifying data.

 Item: The Alar scare warned that America’s children were at risk
 every time they ate an apple because, according to CBS’ "60
 minutes," Alar was “the most cancer-causing agent in our food
 supply.” Former Surgeon General Dr. C. Everett Koop concluded
 after studying the data that “the truth is that Alar never did
 pose a health hazard” and that our food supply is safe “just
 because of chemicals like Alar.” The Environmental Protection
 Agency combined with CBS and the Natural Resources Defense
 Council to falsely use Alar as a scare tactic to increase
 government regulation of suspected carcinogens.

 Item: Remember the silicone breast-implant hoax. The Food and
 Drug Administration (FDA) banned these implants in 1992. With the
 help of Ralph Nader’s organizations, a gory-but-misleading NBC
 news report and the nation's trial lawyers, some 3,500 lawsuits
 were filed, Dow Corning declared bankruptcy, and the left had
 another science-gone-mad issue. Almost immediately, credible
 medical organizations, from the American Medical Association and
 Harvard University to the Mayo Clinic and the New England Journal
 of Medicine found no basis for silicone-gel breast implants
 causing cancer.

 On June 24 this year, the National Academy of Sciences Institute
 of Medicine issued its final congressionally requested report.
 What was the link between the implants and diseases such as lupus
 and cancer? There was none.

 Factual manipulation: an American tradition

 In the first example, the scientist in the government laboratory
 was lying for financial gain. (Does “it’s only about money” sound
 like a good defense?). In the second, an agency of the government
 combined with private organizations to present false data. In the
 third, the FDA lied about breast implants causing disease.

 Unfortunately, it does not stop there. Accepted prevarication at
 the top encourages misinterpretation further down the liberal
 food chain. Public broadcasting stations swearing they are
 unbiased presenters of information while as a matter of policy
 trading fund-raising lists with the Democratic Party, for
 example.

 Or the Death Penalty Information Center, a private advocacy
 group, releasing the conclusions of a study without the
 supporting data, purportedly showing that in Philadelphia black
 murderers are four times as likely as whites to receive the death
 penalty. In truth, blacks received a death-penalty sentence 18%
 of the time, whites 13% -- hardly four times -- and a shift of
 

[CTRL] A black hole ate my planet

1999-08-27 Thread Robert Tatman

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From New Scientist, 28 August 1999
http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19990828/ablackhole.html


A black hole ate my planet





Could physicists accidentally make killer black holes or lethal strange matter
that would swallow the Earth? At least there'd be no one left to say sorry to,
says Robert Matthews


UH-OH, the mad scientists are at it again. In their determination to extract
nature's secrets, physicists in America have built a machine so powerful it
has raised fears that it might cause The End of The World As We Know It.

"Big Bang machine could destroy Earth" ran the headline over a story in The
Sunday Times last month. It claimed that our planet was in peril from a vast
new American particle accelerator on Long Island, the Relativistic Heavy Ion
Collider (RHIC), which will collide pairs of gold nuclei at high energies.
According to the article, RHIC could trigger a catastrophic event: the
creation of a black hole or a ravenous "strangelet" that could swallow up our
entire planet.

Within 24 hours, the laboratory issued a rebuttal: the risk of such a
catastrophe was essentially zero. The Brookhaven National Laboratory that runs
the collider had set up an international committee of experts to check out
this terrifying possibility. But BNL director John Marburger, insisted that
the risks had already been worked out. He formed the committee simply to say
why they are so confident the Earth is safe, and put their arguments on the
Web to be read by a relieved public.

Even so, many people will be stunned to learn that physicists felt worried
enough even to mull over the possibility that a new machine might destroy us
all.

In fact, they've been fretting about it for over 50 years. The first physicist
to get the collywobbles was Edward Teller, the father of the hydrogen bomb. In
July 1942, he was one of a small group of theorists invited to a secret
meeting at the University of California, Berkeley, to sketch out the design of
a practical atomic bomb. Teller, who was studying the reactions that take
place in a nuclear explosion, stunned his colleagues by suggesting that the
colossal temperatures generated might ignite the Earth's atmosphere.

While some of his colleagues immediately dismissed the threat as nonsense, J.
Robert Oppenheimer, director of the Manhattan Project, set up to build the
atom bomb, took it seriously enough to demand a study. The report, codenamed
LA-602, was made public only in February 1973. It concentrated on the only
plausible reaction for destroying the Earth, fusion between nuclei of
nitrogen-14. The report confirmed what the sceptics had insisted all along:
the nuclear fireball cools down too far quickly to trigger a self-sustaining
fire in the atmosphere.

Yet in November 1975, The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists claimed that
Arthur Compton, a leading member of the Manhattan Project, had said that there
really was a risk of igniting the atmosphere. It turned out to be a case of
Chinese whispers: Compton had mentioned the calculation during an interview
with the American writer Pearl Buck, who had got the wrong end of the stick.

Even so, the Los Alamos study is a watershed in the history of science, for it
marks the first time scientists took seriously the risk that they might
accidentally blow us all up. The issue keeps raising its ugly head.

In recent years the main focus of fear has been the giant machines used by
particle physicists. Could the violent collisions inside such a machine create
something nasty? "Every time a new machine has been built at CERN," says
physicist Alvaro de Rujula, "the question has been posed and faced."

One of the most nightmarish scenarios is destruction by black hole. Black
holes are bottomless pits with an insatiable appetite for anything and
everything. If a tiny black hole popped into existence in RHIC, the story
goes, it would burrow down from Long Island to the centre of the Earth and eat
our planet--or blow it apart with all the energy released. So why are
physicists convinced that there's no chance of this happening?

Well, the smallest possible black hole is around 10-35 metres across (the
so-called Planck Length). Anything smaller just gets wiped out by the quantum
fluctuations in space-time around it. But even such a tiny black hole would
weigh around 10 micrograms--about the same as a speck of dust. To create
objects with so much mass by collisions in a particle accelerator demands
energies of 1019 giga-electronvolts, so the most powerful existing collider is
ten million billion times too feeble to make a black hole. Scaling up today's
technology, we would need an accelerator as big as the Galaxy to do it.

And even then, the resulting black hole wouldn't be big enough to swallow the
Earth. Such a tiny black hole would evaporate in 10-42 seconds in a blast of
Hawking radiation, a process discovered by Stephen Hawking in the 1970s. To
last long enough even to begin sucking in 

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Pole-Oo-Shun]

1999-08-27 Thread Robert Tatman

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Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 Shoot...I went online looking for a soil test kit
 whereby one might determine the ph and nutrient levels in a
 sample of soil...I could not find one except a home depots
 website, but what I did find were literally HUNDREDS of soil
 test kits for eco-companies to test for PETROLEUM residues
 in the soil...its everywhere...we live in invisible
 filth...all of us...can't clean it up its on everything we
 touch we eat we breath we drinkits gross.  And this is
 not counting the radioactive stuff
 BG

FWIW, Bill, here are a few of the pages I turned up with an Internet search
for soil test kits (but you are absolutely right about the crap that surrounds
us...):

http://www.acorn-group.com/p8279.htm
COMPLETE SOIL TEST KIT. Includes all materials needed for rapid, accurate
testing of soils, including laminated color charts used to measure
concentrations of nitrogen, phosphorous, potassium (15 tests each) and soil pH
(30 tests). Garden guide manual and the LaMotte Soil Handbook also included to
help you interpret results and correct any deficiencies. If accuracy, speed,
and ease of use are important considerations, this kit fits all three
criteria. #TEST-6390. $37.95.
Refill Kit (all materials needed to repeat above listed tests) #TEST-6391.
$31.95.

http://growit.com/BWI/Prd1231.htm
NO WAIT™ SOIL pH TEST KIT

Contains 2 pH tests. Basic test kit for pH determines alkaline, neutral or
acidic nature of soil. Indicates need for lime or alum to balance soil pH
level. Includes easy-to-use, one-step tablet reagents. Unique Floc-Ex tablets
allow test to begin immediately. Tables included to interpret results, with
ideal pH ranges for over 100 plants. Diagrammed instructions included.
SD7405Pk/24

http://www.crl.com/~mdscienc/md01035.htm
CAT # MD5679PRICE US $ 30.95

CAT # MD5679R (reagent refill)PRICE US $26.25

This Garden Guide Kit is a simple, economical test kit for soil science
education or garden analysis. Rapid test procedures, diagrammed instructions,
and laminated color charts are used to measure concentrations of Nitrogen,
Phosphorus, Potassium (15 test each), and soil pH (30 tests). The Garden Guide
manual and LaMotte Soil Handbook are included to interpret test results and
give lime and fertilizer recommendations.

OTHER SOIL TEST KITS AND EQUIPMENT

SOIL MACRONUTRIENTS: Includes Octet Comparator test for soil pH, color chart
tests for nitrate and phosphorus, turbidity column test for potassium, soil
texture unit (1067), sample bags and soil sampling tube. CAT # MD5928 PRICE US
$239.00 CAT # MDR5928 (reagent refill) PRICE US $74.00
SOIL MICRONUTRIENTS: Includes extraction and filtration materials and color
chart tests for: Ammonia, Nitrite, Calcium, Chlorides, Magnesium, Manganese,
Iron, Aluminum and Sulfate. CAT # MD5938 PRICE US-$257.00-CAT # MDR5938
(reagent refill) PRICE US $107.00
PLANT MACRONUTRIENT KIT: Includes colorimetric tests for nitrogen, phosphorus,
and potassium which are performed on liquid extract prepared from plant
tissue. CAT # MD5026 PRICE US $49.95CAT #MDR5026 (reagent refill) PRICE US
$39.45
PLANT MICRONUTRIENT KIT: Included in this kit are tests for Boron,Copper,
Ferrous and Ferric iron, Manganese, and Zinc. These tests are performed using
color spot tests on filter paper onto which sap has been expressed from
freshly cut plant tissue. CAT # MD5261 PRICE US $53.95CAT # MDR5261
(reagent refill) PRICE US $45.00.
HYDROPONICS LAB: There are nine key tests for hydroponic solutions. Octet
Comparator tests for pH, nitrate, ammonia, phosphorus, sulfate; Direct Reading
Titrator tests for calcium, magnesium; Spot test for iron, and Turbidity test
for potassium. CAT # MD5406 PRICE US $299.00CAT # MDR5406 (reagent refill)
PRICE US $97.30
HYDROPONICS KIT: This kit contains pH, nitrate, phosphorus, and potassium
tests found in the Hydroponics Lab (5406) above. CAT # MD3561 PRICE US
$173.25CAT # MDR3561 (reagent refill) PRICE US $54.15.





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Re: [CTRL] [SC] Skeptic News - Friday #3

1999-08-27 Thread Ric Carter

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From: Hilary A. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  # 'Scientists started Aids epidemic'. (BBC) A polio vaccine using
  tissue from primates could have been behind the leap made by the
  human immunodeficiency virus [HIV] from apes and moneys to humans,
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_431000/431167.stm

 To err is human.  To cause the destruction of the species is one bad
 hair day!

We're just more meat for the Reptilioids to harvest, eh?

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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Feds PRINT millions of meat gas ration cards for Martial Law inSeptember?????]]

1999-08-27 Thread Robert Tatman

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Nicola Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 Alan DeWalton wrote:

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The shop owner said they were too busy doing 'Government work'.  He
  noticed
  pallets and pallets of different colored coupons that said GAS on them.
  Other areas in the shop where pallets were stacked had signs in front of
  them
  on the floor that said things like MEAT and PETROL.
  
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"Petrol"? Are you SURE this was in New Jersey? Last time I looked, Americans
didn't call gasoline "petrol"...

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Re: [CTRL] Was it a Paper Moon? Did we go to the Moon?

1999-08-27 Thread T Nohava

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 Speaking of
 which maybe I will try and run it by some people. Comments anyone?. Gavin.


An explanation for the "Moonrocks" brought back to Earth would be
interesting.

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Re: [CTRL] HAARP more...first media mention...I think.

1999-08-27 Thread Bill

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Mystery In Alaska   by Mark Farmer
Popular Science Magazine September 1995

At a remote facility ringed with barbed wire, a brand new
array of 36 antennas rises from the black spruce forest that
stretches hundreds of miles across Alaska.  Completed in
December 1994 and now undergoing testing, the antenna field
is the visible part of a powerful and sophisticated
high-frequency radio transmitter designed to transform areas
of the upper atmosphere into the equivalent of huge lenses,
mirrors, and antennas.
 This little known Pentagon sponsored radio physics
project, called the High Frequency Active Auroral Research
Program (HAARP) is officially intended to expand knowledge
about the nature of long range radio communications and
surveillance using the fluctuating ionosphere (See "Way up
in the Ionosphere"), the portion of the upper atmosphere
extending from 35 miles to 500 miles above the Earth's
surface.
 According to program manager John L Hecksher of the
Phillips Laboratory at Hanscom AFB, Massachusetts, potential
military applications of the HAARP research include
developing Department of Defense for detecting cruise
missiles and communicating with submarines.  "Although HAARP
is being managed by the Air Force and Navy, it is a purely
scientific research facility that poses no threat to
potential adversaries and has no value as a military
target," he says.
 But thats just the publicly announced part of the
program.  HAARP also has a secret agenda: pursuing more
exotic military goals, such as locating deeply buried
weapons factories thousands of miles away--AND EVEN ALTERING
THE LOCAL WEATHER ABOVE AN ENEMIES TERRITORY.
 A 1990 internal document obtained by Popular Science
says the programs overall goals is to "Control ionospheric
processes in such a way as to greatly improve performance of
military command, CONTROL, and communications systems."  It
provides a description of the following applications:

* Injecting high frequency radio energy into the ionosphere
to create huge, extremely low frequency (ELF) virtual
antennas used for earth penetrating topography--peering deep
beneath the surface of the ground by collecting an analyzing
reflected ELF waves beamed down from above.

* Heating Regions of the lower and upper ionosphere to form
virtual "Lenses" and "Mirrors" that can reflect a broad
range of radio frequencies far over the horizon to detect
stealthy cruise missiles and aircraft.

* Generating ELF radio waves in the ionosphere to
communicate across large distances with deeply submerged
submarines.

And, patent documents filed during an earlier research
effort that evolved into the HAARP program outline further
military applications of ionospheric-heating technology:

* Creating a "Full Global Shield" that would destroy
ballistic missiles by overheating their electronic guidance
systems as they fly through a powerful radio-energy field.

* Distinguishing nuclear warheads from decoys by sensing
their elemental composition.

* MANIPULATING LOCAL WEATHER.

When the HAARP facility is fully constructed, it will
include several sensing and analysis systems.  At its heart
is the antenna field, which now (1995) is a demonstration
version of a larger planned array named the Ionospheric
Research Instrument (IRI) which will include 360 antennas.
The IRI is designed to temporarily modify 30 mile diameter
patches of the upper atmosphere by exciting, or heating
their constituent electrons and ions with focused beans of
powerful radio energy.  A household analogy would be a
microwave oven, which heats food by exciting its water
molecules with microwave energy.
   (Snip)

 Virtual lenses and mirrors will be generated in the
ionosphere, if the IRI works as intended (1995).  By
precisely warming a patch of the lower ionosphere, the IRI
reduces its density relative to the surrounding atmosphere.
An "Ionospheric Lense" thus formed can in turn focus a radio
beam into the upper ionosphere.  Normally, most high
frequency radio waves broadcast from the ground are absorbed
or scattered in the lower ionosphere, and few of them reach
such high altitudes.
 Next the focused radio beam excites a patch of the
upper ionosphere to form a virtual mirror.  Finally, a radio
communication signal broadcast by the IRI, focused through
the lens and reflected from the mirror can be directed far
over the horizon.

 (Snip)

Proprietary phased-array (Local Arrays) transmitting,
steering, and pulsing techniques built into the IRI will
permit rapid aiming of the radio frequency beam in any
direction, and at angles as low as 30 degrees above the
horizon.  This "Oblique Heating" ability enables HAARP to
form virtual lenses and mirrors at distances of more than
1000 miles from the transmitter.

 (Snip)

The full Global Shield is an exotic proposal for an Earth
encompassing shell of high speed electrons and ions that
would be generated by a much more powerful version of
HAARP.  Any Missile or 

[CTRL] CT Research?

1999-08-27 Thread Mr Q

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Yeah, that's the spirit!

If someone tries to punch holes in your pet-theory: Ignore
inconvenient questions and hope they'll go away.

 quote from Skeptic News Thursday #2, August 26 1999

 @ Cult mind control - The 10 themes of cult membership:
   http://members.aol.com/SMARTNEWS/Sample-Issue-08.htm

 1) The Doctrine is Reality - The cult's beliefs allow no
interpretation, or opposing views to be valid.
 2) Reality is Black and White, Good Versus Evil - no outside group
is valid, "no room for interpretation or deviation".

 end quote

Are you scared of criticizing Fritz and running the risk of being
branded a "satanist" too? Does he hurt you when you criticize him?
Are you really living in a "Land of the free, home of the brave"?

Be honest and remove the 'Research' from the name of the list.

Goodnight kids, dream on...

Natalie


And, thank you ric carter, for quoting my quote.
[Skeptic News Thursday #1, August 26 1999]

A man must not swallow more beliefs than he can digest.

 Havelock Ellis
   [The Dance of Life]

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Re: [CTRL] [SC] Kansas Board of Education vote on Evolution

1999-08-27 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   And your characterizations about scientific paradigms are absurd and
totally inaccurate. Scientists make their reputations by squashing
old paradigms, not worshipping them - by establishing new paradigms,
not abjuring them. You've never read a scientific journal, have you?
 
  I don't know where you read science journals at but this is just plain
  wrong. Reputable scientists with new theories are often ridiculed and
  put down, without even a proper hearing, if their theories do not jibe
  with those of the people in positions of power in the scientific
  establishment.  When a person is prevented from publishing and getting
  "peer review" then, in effect, their career is doomed.

Ever heard of the Internet?  Ever read a sci.* newsgroup?  Ever seen the
discussions on data and theories, the pre-publication collaboration that
goes on constantly, the sharing of results?  You're talking about a rigid
controlled environment that no longer exists.  Sure, establishments DID
exist, the most flagrant example being Soviet 'science' supporting Lysen-
koism - a doctrine so wrong that it's crippled Russian agriculture for
decades afterwards.  But in the New World Order of scattered, wired
researchers, a doctrinaire establishment is rapidly eclipsed.  Science
is about *testable*, *workable*, *usable* theories - explanations that
don't work, don't survive.  It's remarkably Darwinian.

  This takes place regularly, and with conviction.  People are routinely
  prevented from publishing when they have something to say which greatly
  contradicts the current paradigm.

Give us some current examples, please.  Present some evidence to support
this contention.  WHO is prevented from presenting their ideas?  WHO is
so totally censored that they can't even publish on the Net?  C'mon,
name some names.

  With that said, it is an entrenched system like most others and is not
  likely to change any time soon.  Science is not bad, it is good and
  has enabled us to understand the world around us like never before,
  and I'm all for the further (well thought out) use of it in the
  future, and for every possible advance.

Entrenched system?  Look at ANY field where there are rapid changes,
where anything published 5 years ago is obsolete, and try to say
"entrenched system" with a straight face.  Hint: physics, biology,
astronomy, cognition, archaeology...

  Furthermore, I don't deny evolution I just think alternative view-
  points should be allowed a hearing. JUST BECAUSE SOME SCIENTIST
  SAYS SOMETHING IS SO, DOES NOT MEAN IT IS, EVEN IF A BUNCH OF OTHER
  SCIENTISTS THINK IT IS TOO. Other theories, or speculations, or
  notions, as you are wont to call them, should be examined and
  allowed a fair airing.  If they are rubbish the rational will
  reject them, covering them up, ignoring them, refusing them a
  hearing, or ridiculing them just makes them seem more attractive
  to some members of society, most particularly the fundamentalist
  Christianity that is imbued in conspiracy theory today.

Ever been to a scientific conference?  For ever 3 scientists, there
are 5 theories.  Those theories supported by the most evidence make
it to the next round of conferences.  Alternative notions that aren't
supported by the evidence, that aren't predictive, that aren't test-
able, are dismissed.  That's the Darwinian process - your theory's
gotta work better than everyone else's, or it'll be shitcanned.

  By thrusting it in a corner they unwittingly give it more weight.
  Why do you think there has always been such interest in the Kennedy
  assassination?  Let the record speak and present all views and let
  the rational man (or woman) make their decision.  The rest, well
  they'll think what they want to anyway.

Creationism and Lysenkoism and many other doctrines lost out many
decades ago, and only survive now in political realms.  One needn't
"fairly consider" a doctrine that's already been shown to be bogus.

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Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread ASu2431426

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How long have you been around?

It COULD be Chinese disinformation, but I doubt it..  On the other hand the
Government does so many  stupid things its hard to avoid the idea of
conspriacy.

Example:  Washington built up the USSR with "trade" and technology.
Catalogued in my book BEST ENEMY MONEY CAN BUY. in 1972.  Instead of thanks
for the work I got insults,harassment, threats  and finally kicked out of
Stanford.  Now Washington wants to build up China with technology,same policy
that was behind the Cold War.  You can call it greed,  conspiracy, stupidity
Or a mix of all these things...Most likely is corporate self interest
facilitated by access money.

To be sure one can take conspiracy too far...and Waco to me seems no more
than a police state gone crazy  I am moving to the conclusion-after 50 years
of research- that the system is corrupt and the most corrupt float to the top
 Simple as that...

It could be that Waco revival is deception.that means that Clinton and
Bush are in collusion.  If you know whats coming down the road in the
CIA/COCAINE/ MENA/BUSH  mess certainly it points to collusion...but only on
this one topic

The simple fact of greed and the need to cover past sins explains an awful
lot..

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[CTRL] Delta Force had active role in raid, ex-CIA officer told

1999-08-27 Thread Steve Wingate

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Delta Force had active role in raid, ex-CIA officer told

Pentagon won't discuss Army commando unit

08/27/99

By Lee Hancock / The Dallas Morning News

© 1999, The Dallas Morning News

A former CIA officer said Thursday that he learned from Delta Force
commandos that members of the secret Army unit were "present, up front
and close" in helping the FBI in the final tear-gas assault on the Branch
Davidian compound.

The former officer, Gene Cullen, told The Dallas Morning News that he
heard the detailed accounts of the military's active involvement from "three
or four" anti-terrorist Delta commandos as he worked with them on an
overseas assignment in 1993.

"Whether it's the macho-bravo-type talk of guys in the field, I don't know," he
said, declining to identify the individuals involved. "I have no reason to
suspect that they lied. And it didn't just come from one of them. There were
three or four guys that confirmed that, who were from Delta."

In the months after the Waco tragedy, Mr. Cullen said, he heard from
associates in Delta Force that the secret unit's involvement there amounted
to far more than observation or tactical discussions.

While he was deployed overseas on an assignment, Mr. Cullen said, Delta
operators told him that the unit "had 10 operators down there, that they
were involved in the advanced forward stages of [the FBI's April 19]
operations."

"When they explained to me the depth to which they were involved down in
Waco, I was quite surprised. They said basically they were out there in the
vehicles, the Bradley [fighting vehicles], the CEV [tanks]," he said. "They
were active."

The chairman of the Texas Department of Public Safety told The News on
Thursday that evidence in the hands of Texas law enforcement personnel
may support the account given to Mr. Cullen.

"I'm advised there is some evidence that may corroborate" the allegation
that Delta Force participated in the assault, said James B. Francis Jr., the
DPS official.

A Pentagon spokesman who spoke on condition of anonymity denied
Thursday that any U.S. military units were involved in the assault, "as far as I
know."

Use of active-duty military personnel against civilians without a specific
presidential decree is a violation of federal law.

The spokesman confirmed that three Defense Department "observers"
whom he declined to identify were in the Waco area on April 19, 1993, the
day that an FBI tear-gas assault ended in a fire that consumed the
compound. Branch Davidian leader David Koresh and more than 80
followers died in the fire, which arson investigators ruled was deliberately
set by sect members.

The spokesman said Pentagon policy barred him from any public
discussion of Delta Force, even the possibility of its existence.

A once-classified memo written to the military's Special Forces Command,
which includes Delta Force, indicated that three of its members watched
the final tragedy unfold. The May 1993 memo stated that the observers did
not participate and were warned not to videotape anything that happened.

Mr. Francis said evidence in the hands of Texas law enforcement suggests
that more than three Delta Force members were at the compound on April
19 and involved in the assault.

"I have been advised that there are some police officers who have
developed some evidence that needs looking into with regard to what the
role of Delta Force was at the Branch Davidian compound," he said,
declining to elaborate.

"I think it's a subject that the FBI director and the attorney general need to
look into," Mr. Francis said. "The $64 question is whether they were
advisory or operational, and I think some of the evidence is problematical."

An FBI spokesman in Washington said he had been instructed by the
Department of Justice to refer all questions on the presence of Delta Force
to the Pentagon.

The spokesman, Tron Brekke, added that he could not say whether Delta
Force might have actively assisted the FBI in any way in Waco "because I
don't think anybody knows."

"That's part of the reason that the attorney general and the director are, in a
very expeditious manner, going to have 40 assistant inspectors and
whoever is chosen to lead them come down and find out definitively what
did happen," he said. "I don't know what was done or wasn't done down
there."

On Wednesday, the FBI announced that a full inquiry was being launched to
explain the possible use of pyrotechnic tear-gas canisters by the FBI
hostage rescue team during the final assault.

The bureau's admission that such devices "may have been used" marked
an abrupt reversal of a long-standing denial that its agents used anything
capable of sparking a fire at the compound.

Bureau and Justice Department officials have maintained that the devices
could not have played a role in the fire because they were used hours
before the blaze and were fired at an underground bunker adjacent to the
wooden compound.

A pending wrongful-death suit filed by surviving 

Re: [CTRL] CT Research?

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

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So what's got you all up in a bunch?

Myself am busy, what's up?

Om
K

In a message dated 8/27/99 12:43:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If someone tries to punch holes in your pet-theory: Ignore
inconvenient questions and hope they'll go away.

snip

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Re: [CTRL] Delta Force had active role in raid, ex-CIA officer told

1999-08-27 Thread Steve Wingate

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This unfolding story is a good example of deep dishonesty within the US
government, and how they only tell as much truth as required by the
evidence that they cannot destroy and the withnesses that they cannot kill.
It's called "a limited hangout." I suspect the government will be doing this
quite a bit in the next few weeks.

Another trick they are using is to have the same agency that deceived the
public in the past (the FBI in this case), conduct the investigation. The CIA
did this a while back with the CIA-Drugs investigation. It was a limited
hangout as well, naturally.

The American people are for the most part fools, preferring to believe that
replacing Clinton with George Bush, Jr., will put an end to this deception.

Steve


Steve Wingate

California Director
SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL

Anomalous Images and UFO Files
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[CTRL] Burnt Velveeta Sandwhich

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan

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If ya look at the players and the play, who's talking and squawking; this
whole 'new  revelations' about Waco are an ops play to get away from Dubba's
troubs and focus the wrath of the growing 'suspicious' populace's anger
towards the current administation.

Velveetasize the revolution,
Whip 'em up, move 'em on.
Will it work on you?
Well, it works on cows;
And how . . .
Cheeseburgers at eleven.

Om
k

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[CTRL] WACO: Dam is cracking

1999-08-27 Thread Dave

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Photo of Modesto Police "SWAT" team carrying the same NATO insignia seen by
TV viewers of original Columbine "live" coverage.
http://216.221.173.225/

same site, at URL:
http://216.221.173.225/24.htm
24 Children Murdered -
Hunt for Killers Continues
8-25-99

To anyone who prizes his or her freedom, Waco needs no introduction. But you
do need to know about recent developments in the investigation of the
matter. The need is especially clear since most of the national media have
been working hard to ignore the story--despite its listing on AP and UPI
wire services, and discussion in the Washington Times, the Washington Post,
and other sources.

First, there have been lawsuits filed by families of those killed at Waco
and by some of the survivors. The suits were transferred to Judge Smith, the
same judge who sentenced some of the Davidians to long prison terms, and is
generally thought of as a very pro-government, very anti-Davidian judge. The
government of course moved to dismiss the cases. To the surprise of many,
Judge Smith refused, leaving open such claims as the Davidians' assertion
that the government shot at people leaving the burning building. This, Smith
stated, had at least some evidence to support it, and if proven would "shock
the conscience of the court."

Judge Smith must have been startled at the next development. Without
warning, the Texas Department of Public Safety appeared in his court. TDPS
announced that the Texas Rangers (which are part of TDPS) had two large
rooms full of Waco evidence that had never seen the light of day. It
explained that members of the public--documentary producer Michael McNulty
and attorney David Hardy--had been asking for copies, but that when it
offered to make them, federal agencies forbade it. Yet when McNulty and
Hardy asked the federal agencies for copies, the same agencies claimed that
they couldn't give them because only the Rangers had control over the
evidence. TDPS added that it did not want to be responsible for withholding
the evidence, hinted that it did not trust the federal agencies to have it,
and offered to file the entire mass (estimated at twelve tons of material)
in court!

Things became more lively when TDPS explained just what was in the evidence.
TDPS commissioner Jim Francis said that it contained government fired
projectiles, which appeared to be pyrotechnic (that is, fire producing). It
appears to this author that may prove that FBI started the fire that killed
74 people, including two dozen children. He allowed he was no expert, but
said the evidence would be at least "problematic" for the FBI's position.
(The projectiles, fired from the FBI's M- 79 grenade launchers, including
pyrotechnic CS gas rounds. These expel the CS by burning a mixture similar
to black powder, and are stamped with warnings that they cause fires and may
not be used against buildings.) The evidence was so sensitive, Francis
explained, that he had instructed the Rangers to keep FBI out of the
evidence locker until it could be secured with the court, and he had ordered
the Rangers to commence their own investigation.

The revelation of hidden evidence must have shocked Judge Smith, hitherto
seen as very pro-government. He issued an order accepting the Ranger's
evidence. Then he issued a second order, which is utterly unprecedented. He
ordered all federal agencies to turn over to the court all evidence "in any
way relevant to the events at Mt. Carmel [the Davidian building]." No one
had even thought to ask for such an order; in a civil case, judges just
don't order all the evidence turned in, whether it has been subpoenaed or
not. An anonymous law enforcement authority was quoted in the Dallas Morning
News as predicting that "The Justice Department is going to have a fit!"

That's a safe prediction. Attorney Hardy's Freedom of Information Act suit
drove ATF to admit that it had three and maybe four video cameras filming
what happened at the Davidians' front door, and likely showing exactly what
had happened when the first shots were fired--but ATF claimed all copies had
vanished. So had an infrared tape of the building, which would conclusively
show if and when the Davidians fired. We may now know exactly where those
tapes are sitting, and exactly why they've had to be hidden for six years.

Now for the things we can't talk about--or, at least, things were we can
only reveal part of the story. Michael McNulty, producer of the documentary
"Waco: The Rules of Engagement," is producing a second documentary. If the
first one was stunning--it won an Academy Award nomination--the second one
makes it look mild. With solid evidence, most of it from the government's
own files, he shows that the FBI may be guilty of lying, perjury, and
homicide. He found the 40 mm Pyrotechnic shells, and tied them to the fire.
Retired FBI and government sources agreed to talk. The picture that emerges
is even grimmer than we might have thought.

Some Davidians had claimed 

Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread K

 -Caveat Lector-

  The same people who're are Waco
 conspiratorialists are also anti-evolutionists.


Who are these "same people"?  I hope you're not accusing me of
being anti-evolution.

The problem I see with categorizing people into groups is that it
ignores the fact that groups are made up of individuals, each of
whom has his/her own particular point of view on any number of
issues.  There's bound to be some overlap between one group and
another, but just because Mary and Jeff in Group A share some
opinions with Joe in Group B, it doesn't prove that the people of
Group A are the same as those of Group B.

BTW, why does no one ever answer the simple question:  Why
didn't they arrest Koresh?  AFAIK, he is the only one who was
accused of any crimes.  Not only has the question not been
answered, it hasn't even been dealt with.  That particular question
is invariably ignored and not responded to.



I want .50 cal machine guns as a factory option.

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Re: [CTRL] (fwd) Results of Gun Control in Australia After One Year

1999-08-27 Thread Dave

 -Caveat Lector-

Hi David,

My source (as I attributed it in my post) is third or fourth-hand at best...
the information was passed to me and attributed thusly:
 Orange County Register
 Letters to the Editor Section
 8/4/99
and can be found verbatim on this site, which I located in response to your
request:
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/aus.html
It appears that the NRA would be fully informed on this- if you should
manage to get in touch with anyone there who has an interest in the current
WORLDWIDE "gun control" ("gun control means being able to hit your target"
:)  portion of the NWO agenda, please keep me "in the loop."

In the process of researching this data for you, I've found some other
related information, all of which shows a disturbing PATTERN of government
sponsored GUN CONFISCATION, which is "justified" by the CONTROLLED media,
which we are seeing HERE in America presently engaged in whipping up the
kind of frenzy which preceded the Australian gun CONFISCATION LEGISLATION
utilizing incidents similar to the very SUSPICIOUS 1000%
over-emotionalized/overpublicized incidents conveniently grouped together
recently in the U.S.- in which covert government activity has been noted-
where "mass" public shooting incidents have occurred.

If you are not already aware of covert government involvement in recent
incidents at Columbine and Granada Hills (probably Atlanta as well) -feel
free to call on me to provide you with sources by which you may inform
yourself on "our" government's criminal covert operations which appear to be
at the root of the "anti-gun" and "anti-militia" terrorism against the
Citizens of the several united States.

I imagine you are aware of the gun control-related WACO mass murder in which
we have just seen publically admitted- the U.S. military's "secret" Delta
Force group (based in N.C.) partipated-  military incendiary devices were
found in the debris by Texas Rangers (who are HONEST and un-controlled by
NWO government factions, apparently) .. this is "in the news" at this
moment.

Back to Australia

Found a rather direct source indicating Australian Gov't funding was
circuitously provided to "Gun control" advocacy/activist group(s) in the
public sector:
http://www.ssaa.org.au/Senate1.html

More on gun control in OZ- this site mentions the following blurb:
STOP PRESS:  In early May 99, the Herald Sun published a table produced by
the Monash University's Accident Research Centre that said there were 628
deaths from the shooting sports in Victoria in the period 1989 - 1995.

The ARC later admitted that the true number of such deaths was *not 628, but
4.*   This is not a misprint. . 4. However the Herald Sun has since
published a letter to the editor identifying just how wrong the public
perception is about the shooting sports.
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~tonka/index.htm


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


-Original Message-
From: David Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 8:54 AM
To: Dave
Cc: A Matt (Tribune) Mittan
Subject: Re: (fwd) Results of Gun Control in Australia After One Year


Could you send me the source for this data? It is very interesting, and I am
sure it is true. Thanks.
David


forwarded...

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


From: "Solutions International" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:24:37 +

 Subject: Australia Gun Control 12 Months later Stats.

 Australia Crime Increases After Guns Are Confiscated
 Orange County Register
 Letters to the Editor Section
 8/4/99:

 It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were
 forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a
 program costing the government more than $500 million dollars.

 And now the results are in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2
 percent; Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-
 wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent). In the
 state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300 percent.
 Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in
 armed robbery with firearms (changed drastically in the past 12
 months). There has been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
 assaults of the elderly.

 Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how
 no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such
 monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in
 "ridding society of guns." Bet you wont see this data on the
 evening news or hear your governor or members of the state
 Assembly disseminating this information. It's time to state it
 plainly: Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and
 property and, yes, gun-control laws only affect the law-abiding
 citizens. Take note, Californians, before it's too late!

-
 -- End of forwarded message
-

 -- Jeff -- 

[CTRL] Up against the wall civil liberties

1999-08-27 Thread K

 -Caveat Lector-

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/Aug1999/082799/civilliberties082799.
htm

Up against the wall civil liberties
By Justin Torres
CNS Senior Staff Writer
(CNSNews.com) - Are civil liberties becoming the latest casualty in
the war on crime? One author says yes.
In Warrior Cops: The Ominous Growth of Paramilitarism in
American Police Departments, published recently by the Cato
Institute, Diane Cecilia Weber tracks the increasing use of
paramilitary SWAT units in criminal cases across the U.S.
According to Weber, political pressure to show victories in the war
on drugs and violent crime may be driving some police departments
to use paramilitary tactics and weaponry that confuses the natures
of the police and the military - and may violate civil liberties.
"Politicians talk about a war on drugs, but who is the enemy, and
where is the front?" Weber told CNSNews.com from her home in
Charlottesville, Va. "In the meantime, we increasingly run the risk
of having SWAT teams break into homes and hold people at
gunpoint over trivial matters."
Cases like the suppression of the Branch Davidians in Waco, Tex.,
or the use of a SWAT team against Samuel Heflin in Colorado (as
reported earlier this week by CNSNews.com) are occurring with
greater frequency as police departments share training and
weaponry with military units.
That trend is a dangerous one, says Weber, because it confuses
the nature of the police with that of the military.
"The sharing of training and technology is producing a shared
mindset," Weber observed. "The problem is that the mindset of the
soldier is simply not appropriate for the civilian police officer."
In fact, said Weber, police and military should have distinctly
different mindsets, because they serve different needs and function
in different ways.
"The job of a police officer is to keep the peace, but not just by any
means. Police officers are expected to apprehend suspected
lawbreakers while adhering to constitutional procedures. They are
expected to use minimum force and to deliver suspects to a court
of law," Weber told CNSNews.com.
"The soldier, on the other hand, is an instrument of war. In boot
camp, recruits are trained to inflict maximum damage on enemy
personnel. Confusing the police function with the military function
can have dangerous consequences."
Weber also notes that the Founding Fathers specifically warned
against giving the police military powers. "They knew that police
had to be different from the military, or they could become agents
for tyranny."
While Weber stresses that most police officers involved in SWAT
team activity are "good people," nonetheless the system is set up
in such a way that there is no "check on bad cops who abuse the
power of the SWAT team. . . . There's no nationwide standards on
when SWAT team should or should not be used."
In most cases, said Weber, there is little need for a police
department to have a SWAT team. However, the media has
consistently supported SWAT activities, while downplaying the
problems it causes.
However, A.N. Moser, executive director of the National Sheriff's
Association, told CNSNews.com that SWAT teams are necessary
to fight crime effectively.
"If they aren't available, what is a sheriff supposed to do if he's
faced with criminals who have overwhelming weaponry?" said
Moser.
Moser agrees that the possibility exists that a SWAT team could
be used illegally, but says that most SWAT teams have effective
training.
"Training is a state and local issue, but as long as [SWAT team
members] are trained in the proper use of weaponry, physical
fitness, and constitutional law, they shouldn't have a problem."


Kathleen


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Re: [CTRL] Beware swarms of 'smart dust'

1999-08-27 Thread Bill

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Driftglass.

Zombie Cow wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/ns-bso082499.html

 Beware swarms of 'smart dust'

 CLEANLINESS freaks have a new rationale for their pathological hatred
 of dust-it could soon be spying on them.

 Packed full of sensors, lasers and communications transceivers,
 particles of "smart dust" are being designed to communicate with one
 another. They could be used for a range of applications from weather
 monitoring to spying.

 The tiny "motes" are being developed at the University of California,
 Berkeley, as part of a programme to produce the smallest possible
 devices that have a viable way of communicating with each other.

 Each mote is made up of a number of microelectromechanical systems, or
 MEMS, wired up to form a very simple computer. At present each mote is
 5 millimetres long, but Kris Pister, one of the developers, says that
 in future they could be small enough to remain suspended in air,
 buoyed by the currents, sensing and communicating for hours.

 The latest version not only has a thick-film battery powering it but
 also a solar cell to recharge it. "This remarkable package has the
 ability to sense and communicate, and is self-powered," says Randy
 Katz, a communications engineer on the project. He presented the
 latest work at last week's Mobicom99 mobile computing meeting in
 Seattle.

 MEMS are made using the same photolithographic techniques as
 integrated circuits, so once perfected they should be easy to
 mass-produce. Patterns are etched out of a silicon wafer to create
 structures such as optical mirrors or tiny engines.

 Each mote in a smart-dust system will need to survive on extremely low
 power, while being able to communicate kilobits of data per second. To
 this end, says Katz, the team has designed motes that shut down parts
 of themselves when they are not being used.

 The latest challenge has been to devise a system that enables the
 motes to communicate. Katz and his colleagues decided to use optical
 transceivers because of their low energy demand compared with radio
 communications. According to Pister they have already shown that they
 can monitor the dust 21 kilometres across San Francisco Bay. "There's
 no way you're going to get that kind of range except with optical
 devices," he says.

 "The base station may actually reside in a hand-held unit, much like a
 pair of binoculars," says Katz. This would allow for simultaneous
 viewing of the scene from afar while superimposing any measured data
 on the image. He adds that this approach could be especially useful
 for hazardous applications such as detecting chemical weapons or
 sending the dust into space.

 The next task is to build distributed intelligence into the dust to
 produce "swarm behaviour".

 ###

 Author: Duncan Graham-Rowe

 New Scientist issue 28th August 99

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Re: [CTRL] Giuliani Just Another Guido Hypocrite!

1999-08-27 Thread Bill

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Yeah Guiliani thinks the right people in politics means the
privileged who are "Above" the law and don't need to answer
like the rest of us...there is an amazing parallel between
guiliani and tampa mayor dick the gecko greco (Who fronts
for another new yorker george steinbrenner)...they have sold
out to the bushes for promises of federal positions...this
illustrates that very well...now that the people are
starting to understand the bush crime family for what it
really is, The Bush CRIME Family, these measly little people
are squawking like ducks...off with their headsbg

William Shannon wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 Bush Whackers Hit
 Rudy rips press
 over George W. drug issue

 By KENNETH R. BAZINET and FRANK LOMBARDI
 Daily News Staff Writers

 Mayor Giuliani yesterday launched a blazing defense of embattled Texas Gov.
 George W. Bush by denouncing the media as "voyeurs" for pressing the
 presidential candidate on whether he has used cocaine. "Pursuing people's
 personal lives has become a sickness, and it's going to hurt ultimately in
 getting the right people in politics," Giuliani admonished reporters at City
 Hall.

 Texas Gov. George W. Bush

 Bush, the Republican presidential front-runner, repeatedly has refused to
 flatly admit — or deny — having used cocaine. But under intensified media
 questioning last week, Bush indicated he hadn't used illegal drugs for at
 least 25 years.

 Giuliani — a former federal prosecutor who built his career on a tough
 law-and-order philosophy — accused reporters of digging into candidates'
 private lives "because it's fun and it makes news and it sells newspapers.

 "I think this is voyeurism, not legitimate pursuit of issues," the Republican
 mayor and probable U.S. Senate candidate fumed when asked about the Bush
 situation.

 The purpose of the media grilling, the mayor argued, is "hounding people who
 are in public office."

 Giuliani, who has praised, but not formally endorsed, Bush's candidacy,
 argued that the campaign should focus on the job Bush has done as governor of
 Texas and what Bush says he would do as President.

 "I respect the decisions that Gov. Bush has made about his own privacy,"
 Giuliani added.

 Asked if he had used pot or cocaine, the mayor noted that he has answered
 "no" to that question.

 But he said he now regrets having answered because, "it's really none of your
 business if I did or I didn't."

 President Clinton — who as a candidate said he tried marijuana but didn't
 inhale — also was drawn into the drug debate yesterday. At the President's
 vacation retreat on Martha's Vineyard, White House spokesman Joe Lockhart
 confirmed published reports that Clinton has denied ever using cocaine.

 With First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton nursing a cold, the First Family spent
 yesterday relaxing at their 20-acre oceanside Vineyard retreat.

 The Clintons have no public events scheduled for the remainder of their
 week-long stay on the Massachusetts resort island.

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Re: [CTRL] Beware men with black bags (fwd)

1999-08-27 Thread Bill

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All this has been already going on for quite some time and
animal Clinton is just trying to legislate retroactively tyo
keep his pet fbi from looking any dumber than they already
do...they are desperately trying to convince people that
this is all new technology but it has been going on for 10
years heavyits called prophylactic law enforcement and
its pure control and highly illegal and very well developed
here in the Federal Reserve USSA.  Vote all republicrat
liars and thieves OUT of office election2000.  Kick the Fed
the HELL OUT of the United StatesAndrew Jackson was the
last American president.

Bill Gallagher

Zombie Cow wrote:

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 http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/238/business/Beware_men_with_black_bags+.shtml

 Beware men with black bags

 By Hiawatha Bray, Globe Columnist, 08/26/99

 Soon, every well-dressed hoodlum may be carrying a laptop computer. It
 may be the only way to keep their criminal enterprises safe from the
 scrutiny of Uncle Sam.

 By now you've heard that the Clinton administration wants Congress to
 grant federal law enforcement agents the power to break into the homes
 and businesses of criminal suspects and plant digital bugs in their
 computers. These devices would bypass encryption programs that can be
 used to scramble data. As a result of such ''black-bag jobs,'' the
 Feds would be able to acquire all manner of useful evidence that is
 presently beyond their reach.

 Computer-industry officials, members of Congress, and Internet
 activists have denounced the idea. With good reason, they fret about
 privacy, free speech, unreasonable searches and seizures, and so on.

 My doubts were of a more technical nature. Can you really bug
 somebody's computer without the user noticing? I mean, a room can't
 tell you it's been bugged, but a computer will tell you quite a lot
 about what it's doing, if you run the right kind of diagnostic
 software.

 Say the government wants to read my encrypted e-mails. John McCown,
 technical director for network security at ICSA Inc. in Reston, Va.,
 says agents could subtly alter my encryption software to make messages
 much easier to crack. Suddenly, secret messages become easy prey.

 OK, but to do that, the spies would have to change at least one file
 on my computer. Couldn't I just run a search to see if any files have
 been modified? You can do that with the Find feature in Windows 95,
 and there are more sophisticated programs that will check every sector
 of the disk for alterations. Run such a check every day and I'm safe,
 right?

 Wrong, says Bruce Schneier, inventor of the Blowfish encryption
 algorithm and president of Counterpane Systems, a computer security
 firm in Minneapolis. If the FBI got hold of your computer, they could
 rig it so that none of these tests would work any more.

 For instance, snoops could alter the operating system so that it no
 longer displays evidence of a tampered file. And if you try to load a
 specialized disk-checking program, the tampered computer could be set
 up to load its own phony version of the software instead - a version
 that would tell you all is well. Because the computer's been
 compromised, you can't rely on any test results. ''The thing being
 modified can't check itself,'' Schneier said.

 The cops might not even need to enter your home. Richard Smith,
 security expert and president of Phar Lap Software in Cambridge, says
 some Internet software contains security holes that'll let skilled
 programmers install software on distant computers, without the user
 knowing. ''The feds can try that first,'' says Smith, ''and then in a
 couple of days, if that doesn't work, try a break-in.''

 And as long as the federal agents are in your house, why should they
 stop at altering your software? They've got the entire computer to
 play with. ''You could insert devices that would attach to the
 motherboard, that the software wouldn't even see,'' says Phil
 Zimmermann, inventor of the legendary Pretty Good Privacy encryption
 program.

 A spy could insert a gadget that would keep a record of every button
 you push on the keyboard. The data could be transmitted over a
 wiretap, or squirted over the Internet the next time you log on. Or
 the device could simply record your typing for later retrieval by the
 black-bag squad. ''It would work all too well,'' says Zimmermann.

 There is an upside to all this. The Clinton administration has
 previously sought to stop everybody from using high-quality encryption
 software. At least the new plan targets suspected criminals, and in
 theory leaves the rest of us alone. Federal judges would have to sign
 off on the break-ins, just as they do with phone wiretaps. The feds
 seem to have been fairly responsible in their use of phone-tapping, so
 there's reason to hope that they'd show the same restraint with our
 computers.

 But just in case, you might want to start using a ThinkPad or
 PowerBook as the nerve center of 

Re: [CTRL] vietnam pictures

1999-08-27 Thread Bill

 -Caveat Lector-

Kill Your TV

"Taylor, John (JH)" wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 Updated 8/26/99 7:20 PM

 "THERE ARE TEARS IN MY EYES."
  CNN has a new program called Dying to Tell the Story. It's a show dedicated
 to the journalists who gave or risked their lives to get the story out. I
 haven't seen it, but they are running ads for it pretty steadily. You can
 get the feel for what they're doing right away. They are laying another
 layer of treacle and hagiography on the press corps. Protectors of the first
 amendment who are willing to give their lives in defense of your right to
 know, or some other comic book drivel. CNN is part of that whole Freedom
 Forum cult which is trying to make journalism some sort of secular
 priesthood.

  Go out to the Freedom Forum's "Newseum" in Arlington, Virginia and you'll
 see a lot of very interesting stuff about the press - old headlines, big TVs
 (gotta love really big TVs) and some great photography - but you will also
 see a celebration of journalists as a special caste. The press is so
 self-serving that we do not need to make these people martyrs to a great
 cause. My guess is that more Peace Corps volunteers have died digging wells
 than journalists "dying to tell the story."

  Since I haven't seen the program yet, I don't want to jump the gun. But, as
 I say, I have seen the commercial. There are some powerful images in it.
 There's a shot of a man on fire. I don't know the back story, but one
 wonders if it reminded anyone else of the cameramen who filmed a burning man
 until they were sure they got the shot before they put him out.

  But the really disturbing image is of Nguyen Ngoc Loan shooting a man.
 Everybody has seen this picture or the film of the incident. A cruel and
 angry South Vietnamese General executes what appears to be a defenseless
 Vietcong prisoner. Eddie Williams, The AP photographer who snapped the
 photo, earned a Pulitzer Prize for the picture. That picture helped
 galvanize the anti-war effort in the United States. Hubert Humphrey, at the
 time the photo was taken, was on the verge of challenging President Johnson
 for the Democratic nomination for president. The photo (and subsequent NBC
 film) helped stir sentiment to the point that Johnson announced he would not
 seek a second term only two months later. It is one of the most powerful
 icons for everything that was supposedly wrong with that war. It is
 precisely the sort of professional coup that a reporter who's "Dying to Tell
 the Story" dreams of getting.

  Except Eddie Adams wishes he never took the picture.

  After the photo was seen around the world, the AP assigned Williams to hang
 out with General Loan. He discovered that Loan was a beloved hero in
 Vietnam, to his troops and the citizens. "He was fighting our war, not their
 war, our war, and every - all the blame is on this guy," Williams told NPR
 (in what may have been the most surprisingly courageous NPR interview I've
 ever heard). Williams learned that Loan fought for the construction of
 hospitals in South Vietnam and unlike the popular myths, demonstrated the
 fact that at least some South Vietnamese soldiers really did want to fight
 for their country and way of life.

  Just moments before that photo had been taken, several of his men had been
 gunned down. One of his soldiers had been at home, along with the man's wife
 and children. The Vietcong had attacked during the holiday of Tet, which had
 been agreed upon as a time for a truce. As it turned out, many of the
 victims of the NC and North Vietnamese were defenseless. Some three thousand
 of them were discovered in a mass grave outside of Hue after the Americans
 reoccupied the area. The surprise invasion, turned out to be a military
 disaster for the Vietcong, but a huge strategic victory because of its
 effect on American resolve.

  But at the time, all of this was irrelevant to people like Loan. It was an
 ugly, shocking assault. The execution of the prisoner was a reprisal. It was
 an ugly thing to be sure, but wars, civil wars especially, are profoundly
 ugly things.

  Williams wrote in Time magazine, "The general killed the Viet Cong; I
 killed the general with my camera. Still photographs are the most powerful
 weapon in the world. People believe them, but photographs do lie, even
 without manipulation. They are only half-truths. What the photograph didn't
 say was, 'What would you do if you were the general at that time and place
 on that hot day, and you caught the so-called bad guy after he blew away
 one, two or three American soldiers?'"

  The picture that Williams took, the picture that CNN thinks is such an
 atrocious and ignoble deed, ruined Loan's life. More to the point, it didn't
 expand on "our right to know." It didn't answer questions, or give us the
 story. It deceived. It gave no context. It confirmed the biases of the
 anti-war journalists, and they used it to further their agenda.

  Loan fled Vietnam during the fall of 

Re: [CTRL] A Flaw Worse Than Melissa

1999-08-27 Thread Bill

 -Caveat Lector-

Like the phone companys making all vox comm law enforcement
friendlywe have purchased our own chainsb

Das GOAT wrote:

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 In a message dated 99-08-27 02:57:33 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  WASHINGTON -- A team of computer scientists has discovered a
  bug in many Microsoft Windows computers that lets an attacker take
  control of a PC by sending an email message.
  The security hole, present in most copies of Windows 95 and all
   versions of Windows 98, would allow a malcontent to conceal
  malicious computer code in an email message or Web page that can
  surreptitiously modify files, reformat a hard drive, or execute any command.

 Bug?  I think not.  Bill Gates has worked with (for?) the NSA for a LONG time,
 in order to assure himself further billions without fear of antitrust
 prosecution.

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[CTRL] Fwd: [RuMills] RUMOR MILL NEWS KNOCKED OFFLINE

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Millegan





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am sitting at a computer at our local public library. I am here because I have two 
computers at home that have been wiped clean of everything that was on them... all the 
programs as well as all the information I had stored on them.

One of the computers "died" while I was back in Colorado. It was the one that I use 
for writing books and keeping track of personal things. It is not hooked up to a 
telephone.

The other computer is the one that I do most of the Rumor Mill News articles on. It is 
the one I use to get on the Internet.

Last night, after I sent my letter to Vagabond Virgin, and to everyone else on my 
mailing list, the computer froze. I turned it off and went to bed thinking that I 
could reboot it this morning.

When I tried, it was just as dead as the other one. They both appear to have been 
wiped clean of everything that was on them. Of course I will not know for sure until I 
get someone in to look at them.

I can't help but think that someone is sending me a message. However, I am not "smart" 
enough to figure out what the message is.

Did someone get mad because I was releasing information about Waco?

FYI: Unless investigators want to open the huge mind-control can of worms, there will 
be no REAL investigation of Waco.

Could the representatives of the New World Order want to keep me from putting out my 
information on the new Faction that is causing them so much trouble?

Faction three has gained control of most of the world's hard assets. They have done 
this in two ways. The first started in 1983 when over 250,000 people who were fed up 
with the way things were going, joined their assets together in a trust. The trust is 
in gold, silver and other hard metals.

The second faction of Faction Three, the military side, started in late 1995 or early 
1996. They convinced banks and countries who had bought the pirated software known as 
Promis, to buy their new "fix_it" software which would keep the United States 
government from being able to use the Promis "back door" to spy on them.

The new software, called "Salman" supposedly blocked the Promis back door. But in 
acutality, it just blocked the United States and the New World Order from being able 
to use the back door. Faction Three now controls the back door to every Promis 
software holder on the planet.

Could the NEw World Order not want people to know that accounts are being siphoned off 
all around the world? Any account that does not have the proper documentation is being 
siphoned into a trust. The money is being held until ownership of the account can be 
proved. In the meantime, no interest loans aare being given to the people who live in 
the country from where the money was stolen.

In other words, all crooked politicians, drug dealers and other assorted crooks have 
lost their money.

Could someone have wanted to stope me from putting out that information?

Or could someone want to block me telling you that the Bush family is is heavy 
negotiation with Faction Three. If they jump ship and join faction three, you will see 
a court here in the United States which will be similar to the one that existed in 
South Africa. People will confess their crimes and be able to walk away.

Will this be bad? That is yet to be known. What will be true is that we will have 
defeated the souless creatures who make up the New World Order. They will have lost 
and we will have out constitution and our rights restored.

Is this what the people who destroyed my computers wanted to keep you from knowing?

I don't know, but what I can see right now on my television is Faction Three using 
Waco to force Janet Reno into rolling over on Bill Clinton. If she doesn't do it soon, 
I fear the worst for her. Someone should clue her in.

To all of the people who thought my reply to vagabond virgin was directed to them 
it was not read the top of the email and you will see that it was a letter to 
vagaabond virgin and only her I just sent copies of it to everyone on my email 
list.

My time on the computer is running out and people are breathing heavily over my 
shoulders.

If you need to reach me, call 831 462 3949...


At this moment I do not know when I will be back online. Don't email me I doubt if 
I will come back to the library and wait an hour to get online.

There are still Wilcher Reports left... I had more than I thought I had. Also, Hal 
Massey from the Human Right commission said he will print them up so they can stay at 
the lower price.

You can call Hal at 800 400 1999

I did not have the time to take the tapes to the duplicator today... I wonder why... 
so they will not be in the mail this evening like I wanted.

I have to go now before this cmputer kicks me off.

Rayelan
aka Ru Mills

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Re: [CTRL] Misc-ing Links

1999-08-27 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 8/26/99 11:11:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 THE CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERTARIAN PRE-LAW READING LIST: 

Beyond Bork I wasn't aware that these closed-minded youth read
H, go figure!

Bill

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[CTRL] University of Illinois ADL: armed and dangerous Christian militias

1999-08-27 Thread Dave

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It looks like various portions of "Academia" are hotbeds of fascist thought
and training.
A group calling itself "Anti Defamation League" has somehow managed to
become involved with another calling itself "Office of International
Criminal Justice" who have worked together to spread and uphold government
fascism and to attempt to undermine any actual "JUSTICE" (which in the U.S.
would mean "CONSTITUTIONAL Justice") in favor of full support of Unjust NWO
efforts to kill the 2nd Amendment, and to otherwise politically manuever for
socialist-cum-NWO Big Brother will "protect" us from ourselves...

God protect us from those who would attempt to USURP all individual freedom
in the name of FEAR.

ADL compiling a list of "armed and dangerous" Christian militias ...  (next
page)

which is prominently featured on one of the servers of University of
Illinois at Chicago...
"The Office of International Criminal Justice was founded in 1984 as a
center for excellence in education, research, development, and training at
the University of Illinois at Chicago. OICJ's mission is to improve the
administration of criminal and juvenile justice both at home and abroad by
providing enhanced opportunities for communication and collaboration by both
academics and practitioners. In collaboration with individuals, governments,
and private corporations, OICJ's charter is to:
foster better understanding of the world's criminal justice systems
assist agencies seeking to establish more humane, effective, and efficient
criminal justice services
provide opportunities for international cooperation
These goals are pursued through research, visiting scholars programs,
management and professional development programs, conference and continuing
education programs, publications, consulting services and law enforcement
and security surveys."
http://oicj.acsp.uic.edu/spearmint/public/oicj/about.cfm

"Extremist" section:
For other information about militias on this Web, you may search our pages.
Use "militia or terrorism" for the keyword search.

OICJ has published EXTREMIST Groups, a 1,100 page+ compendium of extremist
organizations operating in the United States and throughout the world.
http://oicj.acsp.uic.edu/spearmint/public/books/xtremist.cfm

The following is from:
http://www.acsp.uic.edu/OICJ/other/adlmilit.htm

A new national survey by the Anti-Defamation League offers disturbing
evidence that the militia movement has continued to grow since the Oklahoma
City bombing. The pattern is not uniform, but militia gains plainly appear
to outweigh losses -- contrary to the widespread expectation that public
shock and revulsion at the bombing might prompt the militias to disband. The
ADL survey also found that many hard-core militiamen believe that the United
States Government itself conducted the bombing to create an excuse for
further depriving citizens of their constitutional rights.

In October 1994 the ADL issued a Fact-Finding Report titled Armed 
Dangerous: Militias Take Aim at the Federal Government, detailing militia
activity in 13 states. The report sought to alert the American public and
the law enforcement community to the danger posed by these extremists, many
of whom were engaging in paramilitary training while spreading an incendiary
anti- federal government message laced with conspiracy theories and, in some
places, anti-Semitism .

An Update of Armed  Dangerous
Anti-Defamation League - 1995
David H. Strassler, National Chairman
Abraham H. Foxman, National Director
Howard P. Berkowitz, Chair, National Executive Committee Peter T. Willner,
Chief Operating Officer Kenneth Jacobson, Assistant National Director Robert
G. Sugarman, Chair, Civil Rights Jeffery P. Sinensky Director, Civil Rights
This report has been made possible through a generous grant from the William
and Naomi Gorowitz Institute on Terrorism and Extremism
Copies of this report are in the Rita and Leo Greenland Human Relations
Library and Resource Center
This publication was prepared by:
Thomas Halpern, Acting Director, Fact Finding Department; David Rosenberg,
Assistant Director, Fact Finding Department; Irwin Suall, Director of
Special Projects; David Cantor, Research Analyst, Research  Evaluation
Department; Lori Linzer, Research Analyst, Research  Evaluation Department;
Rebecca Kaufman, Research Analyst, Research  Evaluation Department.
Copyright ©1995 Anti-Defamation League
INTRODUCTION
A new national survey by the Anti-Defamation League offers disturbing
evidence that the militia movement has continued to grow since the Oklahoma
City bombing. The pattern is not uniform, but militia gains plainly appear
to outweigh losses -- contrary to the widespread expectation that public
shock and revulsion at the bombing might prompt the militias to disband. The
ADL survey also found that many hard-core militiamen believe that the United
States Government itself conducted the bombing to create an excuse for
further depriving citizens of their 

Re: [CTRL] URGENT!!!

1999-08-27 Thread Aol user

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YOU GOT IT.

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[CTRL] FW: [CTRL] WACO: Dam is cracking

1999-08-27 Thread Bard

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Bard

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Subject: [CTRL] WACO: "Dam is cracking"


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Photo of Modesto Police "SWAT" team carrying the same NATO insignia seen by
TV viewers of original Columbine "live" coverage.
http://216.221.173.225/

same site, at URL:
http://216.221.173.225/24.htm
24 Children Murdered -
Hunt for Killers Continues
8-25-99

To anyone who prizes his or her freedom, Waco needs no introduction. But you
do need to know about recent developments in the investigation of the
matter. The need is especially clear since most of the national media have
been working hard to ignore the story--despite its listing on AP and UPI
wire services, and discussion in the Washington Times, the Washington Post,
and other sources.

First, there have been lawsuits filed by families of those killed at Waco
and by some of the survivors. The suits were transferred to Judge Smith, the
same judge who sentenced some of the Davidians to long prison terms, and is
generally thought of as a very pro-government, very anti-Davidian judge. The
government of course moved to dismiss the cases. To the surprise of many,
Judge Smith refused, leaving open such claims as the Davidians' assertion
that the government shot at people leaving the burning building. This, Smith
stated, had at least some evidence to support it, and if proven would "shock
the conscience of the court."

Judge Smith must have been startled at the next development. Without
warning, the Texas Department of Public Safety appeared in his court. TDPS
announced that the Texas Rangers (which are part of TDPS) had two large
rooms full of Waco evidence that had never seen the light of day. It
explained that members of the public--documentary producer Michael McNulty
and attorney David Hardy--had been asking for copies, but that when it
offered to make them, federal agencies forbade it. Yet when McNulty and
Hardy asked the federal agencies for copies, the same agencies claimed that
they couldn't give them because only the Rangers had control over the
evidence. TDPS added that it did not want to be responsible for withholding
the evidence, hinted that it did not trust the federal agencies to have it,
and offered to file the entire mass (estimated at twelve tons of material)
in court!

Things became more lively when TDPS explained just what was in the evidence.
TDPS commissioner Jim Francis said that it contained government fired
projectiles, which appeared to be pyrotechnic (that is, fire producing). It
appears to this author that may prove that FBI started the fire that killed
74 people, including two dozen children. He allowed he was no expert, but
said the evidence would be at least "problematic" for the FBI's position.
(The projectiles, fired from the FBI's M- 79 grenade launchers, including
pyrotechnic CS gas rounds. These expel the CS by burning a mixture similar
to black powder, and are stamped with warnings that they cause fires and may
not be used against buildings.) The evidence was so sensitive, Francis
explained, that he had instructed the Rangers to keep FBI out of the
evidence locker until it could be secured with the court, and he had ordered
the Rangers to commence their own investigation.

The revelation of hidden evidence must have shocked Judge Smith, hitherto
seen as very pro-government. He issued an order accepting the Ranger's
evidence. Then he issued a second order, which is utterly unprecedented. He
ordered all federal agencies to turn over to the court all evidence "in any
way relevant to the events at Mt. Carmel [the Davidian building]." No one
had even thought to ask for such an order; in a civil case, judges just
don't order all the evidence turned in, whether it has been subpoenaed or
not. An anonymous law enforcement authority was quoted in the Dallas Morning
News as predicting that "The Justice Department is going to have a fit!"

That's a safe prediction. Attorney Hardy's Freedom of Information Act suit
drove ATF to admit that it had three and maybe four video cameras filming
what happened at the Davidians' front door, and likely showing exactly what
had happened when the first shots were fired--but ATF claimed all copies had
vanished. So had an infrared tape of the building, which would conclusively
show if and when the Davidians fired. We may now know exactly where those
tapes are sitting, and exactly why they've had to be hidden for six years.

Now for the things we can't talk about--or, at least, things were we can
only reveal part of the story. Michael McNulty, producer of the documentary
"Waco: The Rules of Engagement," is producing a second documentary. If the
first one was stunning--it won an Academy Award nomination--the second one
makes it look mild. With solid evidence, most of it from the government's
own files, he shows that the FBI may be guilty of lying, 

[CTRL] Case could shape future of gun control

1999-08-27 Thread Bill Richer

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/acovfri.htm
 A HREF="http://www.usatoday.com/news/acovfri.htm"Case could shape future
of gun control/A

08/27/99- Updated 12:35 AM ET

 Case could shape future of gun control
The Second Amendment establishes a right to possess firearms. The question
is: Is it an individual right or a military necessity?

By Richard Willing, USA TODAY

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. -
Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, 1791

Tucked inside this famous paragraph, amid the multiple clauses, odd
punctuation and 18th-century syntax, lies the right that Americans both
cherish and fear: the right to have a gun.

But whose right is it anyway? Is there an individual right to own a gun, like
the individual right to freedom of speech or religion? Or does the Second
Amendment mean only that Americans can defend themselves collectively through
state militias, like the modern-day National Guard?

The debate over what the Second Amendment actually means has filled a forest
of law review articles and scholarly papers over the past 10 years. Now it is
about to spill out of the ivory tower and into the real world of guns and gun
control.

For the first time, a federal judge has ruled that the Second Amendment
guarantees an individual's right to own a gun. In the process, the judge
invalidated a 1994 federal law that denies guns to anyone who is under a
restraining order to prevent him or her from harassing a spouse. The law was
part of a measure aimed at reducing domestic violence by limiting access to
guns.

If the decision by a federal district court judge last April in Texas is
upheld on appeal, it could be a huge setback for gun control advocates,
placing perhaps hundreds of laws in danger of being struck down. And it would
be a victory for gun control opponents such as the National Rifle
Association, which has consistently argued that an individual's right to a
gun is protected by the Second Amendment.

An appeal of the case, U.S. v. Emerson, begins with the filing of briefs in
the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit in New Orleans Friday.

The case, which is likely to be argued next January or February, is unfolding
as liberal scholars such as Harvard's Laurence Tribe, who has long been
hostile to the individual-rights argument, have begun to move toward the
NRA's position.

"The real-world consequences (of the Texas case) could be enormous," says
Carl Bogus, a specialist on the Second Amendment at Roger Williams Law School
in Bristol, R.I.

If the lower-court ruling is upheld, "it would stand the law on its head,"
Bogus says. It would destroy Congress' ability to create gun control laws.
Anyone arrested under current (gun control) laws could argue they're
unconstitutional. This is not just an academic exercise."

The renewed debate over the Second Amendment's meaning comes as recent
shootings in Atlanta, Los Angeles and Littleton, Colo., have increased
pressure for new gun control laws. This week, authorities in Los Angeles took
the unprecedented step of banning sales of guns from the nation's largest gun
show.

The very fact that there is a debate is likely to surprise many Americans,
many of whom assume that the Second Amendment already guarantees them the
right to own a gun. A CBS News poll Aug. 15 found that 48% of adults believe
there is an individual right to a gun, while 38% do not.

Case began as domestic dispute

The case began last August when Sacha Emerson, 26, a nurse from San Angelo,
Texas, filed for divorce. The local court placed a restraining order on her
husband, physician Timothy Joe Emerson, 41, after she complained that he had
verbally threatened her boyfriend.

Timothy Emerson owned a handgun, which automatically put him at odds with the
federal law barring gun ownership by people under state restraining orders in
domestic disputes. A federal grand jury indicted Emerson, who was "greatly
surprised" to learn that he may have violated any law, according to his
lawyer, David Guinn.

The case never got to trial. In April, U.S. District Court Judge Sam Cummings
found that the law denying guns to those under a restraining order was an
unconstitutional infringement of the "individual right to bear arms."

The federal law, Cummings wrote, "is unconstitutional because it allows a
state court divorce proceeding, without particularized findings of the threat
of future violence, to automatically deprive a citizen of his Second
Amendment rights."

The decision took gun control advocates and opponents by surprise. Cummings,
54, who was appointed to the federal bench by President Reagan, had a
reputation as a middle-of-the-road jurist who seldom set aside an indictment.
And Emerson's lawyer, assistant federal public defender David Guinn, had
raised the Second Amendment argument almost as an afterthought.

Both sides are taking the appeal very 

Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread William Shannon

 -Caveat Lector-

As usual, Ric is SPOT ON here...Good work dude
Bill.

Nope.  I think Koresh and his lieutenants did the killing.  I'm
amazed that so many people choose to support this psychopath;
amazed, but not really surprised.  I suspect a coordinated disinfo
campaign, possibly Chinese-sponsored, directed at all US gov't
actions, a classic Leninist strategy to demoralize the US people.

This runs in parallel with moves to discredit science, especially
evolution, in an effort to destroy US science education and reduce
productivity of US workers, China's only hope to gain an advantage
in the world economy, now that their own economy is faltering.

Is this a stretch?  Not at all.  The same people who're are Waco
conspiratorialists are also anti-evolutionists.  The propaganda
campaigns are well-coordinated, eh?  Think about it.

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Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco

1999-08-27 Thread Bill

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Ric Carter wrote:
What'll be engineered to
ensure that Bush Jr. is the next figurehead in the White
House?

Waco was immediately resurrected when the NWO's Boy George
became threatened by the cocaine issue didn't it?  Throwing
the dogs a bone

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[CTRL] Texas DPS Statement Tear Gas Evidence - Branch Davidian Siege

1999-08-27 Thread Bard



 http://www.texasranger.org/FBI.htm

Sorry!

Overlooked including the URL in previous Post.

Bard
 Texas DPS Statement Tear Gas Evidence - Branch Davidian Siege.url


Re: [CTRL] Release: new Waco evidence

1999-08-27 Thread K

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 NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY
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 As the Waco cover-up finally unravels,
 is it time to put Janet Reno on trial?

 WASHINGTON, DC -- Forget more Congressional hearings -- now
 that the FBI has admitted it used "pyrotechnic devices" during the
 massacre at Waco, it may be time to move directly to criminal trials
 for Janet Reno and other law enforcement officials, the Libertarian
 Party said today.

 "It's time to send a message: Hate crimes and cover-ups won't
 be tolerated in America," said Steve Dasbach, the party's national
 director. "And the way to send that message is to start criminal
 proceedings against the government officials responsible for the
 deaths of 86 people at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas.

 "At this point, we're not saying that Janet Reno -- or any
 other individual -- is guilty of premeditated mass murder, or guilty
 of a criminal conspiracy to cover up the facts. But enough new
 evidence has emerged that a jury should consider that question."

 Yesterday, the FBI admitted it had been lying for six years
 when it claimed never to have used incendiary devices during the siege
 at Waco. In fact, a spokesman has now acknowledged, FBI agents had
 fired at least two flammable 40mm tear-gas canisters into the
 compound.

 Shortly after that military-style ordnance was deployed on
 April 19, 1993, a blazing fire engulfed the Branch Davidian complex,
 incinerating 86 people, including 24 children.

 The FBI's abrupt about-face came after Texas Rangers
 investigators uncovered new evidence, videotapes, and photographs that
 called into question the government's account of the massacre. Other
 evidence -- first publicized in the Academy Award-nominated
 documentary, Waco: The Rules of Engagement -- also suggested that an
 FBI helicopter had opened fire on the Branch Davidians with a machine
 gun, according to the Washington Post.

 Reaction to the new evidence was swift. Congressman Dan Burton
 (R-IN) said that if federal officials "have been lying," their
 "testimony on other matters should also be examined." And Congressman
 Bob Barr (R-GA) suggested that "charges of perjury" could be filed,
 and that "serious questions" have been raised about "who is
 responsible for the deaths of over 80 American men, women, and
 children." Both called for new Congressional hearings.

 But hearings aren't enough, said Dasbach: It's time to strip
 away the shield of "sovereign immunity" that protects government
 officials, and treat them like any other person suspected of criminal
 assault or mass murder.

 "Buford O'Neil Furrow, for example, faces state and federal
 charges for opening fire on a Jewish community center earlier this
 month, wounding five people, including three children," noted Dasbach.
 "At the very least, shouldn't Janet Reno face similar charges for the
 fiery deaths of 24 children?

 "Buford O'Neil Furrow launched his rampage because of
 irrational religious prejudice, and federal investigators may charge
 him with committing a hate crime. Part of the original explanation for
 the federal government's assault on the Branch Davidian compound was
 that it was a religious cult -- which is a prejudicial code word for
 any non-traditional religion. So, shouldn't a hate crime investigation
 be launched against Janet Reno, too?"

 Dasbach stressed that until all the evidence is in, Janet Reno
 and other high officials in the FBI and the BATF must be considered
 innocent.

 "But 86 people are dead, and the cover-up is starting to
 unravel," he said. "Fairness and justice demand that 12 ordinary
 Americans -- a jury of her peers -- should examine the evidence
 against Janet Reno in a court of law, and decide if she is criminally
 liable for this tragedy.

 "After all, a fair trial is the American way," said Dasbach.
 "But, unfortunately, a fair trial is a courtesy that Janet Reno did
 not extend to the 86 men, women, and children who, on her orders, were
 subjected to a barrage of gunfire, a 51-day siege, psychological
 harassment, toxic gas, and military-style pyrotechnic devices. It's
 time to right that wrong."




Kathleen


"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. 
L. Mencken

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[CTRL] Drugs, Human misery

1999-08-27 Thread Bill Richer

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My sister's coworker has a sister in Texas who with her husband was planning
a weekend trip across the Mexican border for a shopping spree.

At the last minute their baby sitter canceled, so they had to bring along
their two year old son with them. They had been across the border for about
an hour when the baby got free and ran around the corner. The mother went
chasing, but the boy had disappeared.

The mother found a police officer who told her to go to the gate and wait.
Not really understanding the instructions, she did as she was instructed.
About 45 minutes later, a man approached the border carrying the boy.

The mother ran to him, grateful that he had been found. When the man realized
it was the boy's mother, he dropped the boy and ran himself. The police were
waiting for him and got him.

The boy, was dead, in less than 45 minutes he was missing, and cut open, ALL
of his insides removed and his body cavity stuffed with COCAINE.

The man was going to carry him across the border as if he were asleep. A two
year old boy, dead, discarded as if he were a piece of trash for somebody's
cocaine.

If this story can get out and change one person's mind about what drugs
mean to them, We are helping.

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[CTRL] Even This DOG Get's Her Day!

1999-08-27 Thread William Shannon

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Prosecutor Rejects Tripp Request for Evidence


Former White House staffer Linda Tripp (AP)


--
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From The Post

Tripp Challenges Indictment in Md. (Aug. 19)


Grand Jury Indicts Tripp (July 31)

On Our Site

Audio Excerpts from the Tripp Tapes
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 By Raja Mishra
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 27, 1999; Page B2

Maryland State Prosecutor Stephen Montanarelli refused yesterday to turn over
any evidence to Linda R. Tripp's defense attorneys and declined to respond to
arguments that he would be unable to make the wiretapping case against her
without using evidence she provided under a federal grant of immunity.
Montanarelli's remarks were contained in three short responses he filed in
Howard County Circuit Court in answer to a flurry of requests filed last week
by Tripp's attorneys. Tripp's attorneys asked for all the evidence the state
prosecutor had obtained during his 13-month investigation.

"They are not entitled to all our evidence," Montanarelli said in a telephone
interview yesterday. "We think the indictment is understandable. It couldn't
be in any plainer language."

Montanarelli also said that before going to trial, he would not turn over
grand jury transcripts sought by a Tripp attorney, Joseph Murtha, unless a
judge ordered him to do so.

The state prosecutor also made requests of the Tripp legal team, asking that
they furnish him with speech and writing samples from Tripp, a list of
experts they intend to call and a list of other witnesses.

Tripp was indicted by a Howard County grand jury July 30. She is charged with
illegally taping a phone conversation with Monica S. Lewinsky on Dec. 22,
1997, and illegally directing her attorney to disclose its contents to
Newsweek magazine. Tapes that Tripp provided to a special prosecutor were the
basis for the investigation into President Clinton's relationship with
Lewinsky, a former White House intern.

No judge has been assigned to Tripp's case, and no trial date has been set.
If convicted, Tripp could be sentenced to a maximum of five years in prison
and a $10,000 fine for each charge.

"Grand jury transcripts do not actually have to be turned over until the
witness takes the stand," Montanarelli said. "They'll get them when the judge
orders us to turn them over."

Montanarelli did provide Murtha with a list of witnesses that he plans to
call at trial but didn't make the list public.

Sources close to the investigation said yesterday that Lewinsky is on the
witness list, a move Murtha said he would welcome as of possible help to his
client.

"I think she will have information that is relevant to our defense," Murtha
said.

Lewinsky has appeared before a grand jury investigating her relations with
Clinton and before the Senate, via videotape. But she has not been
cross-examined.

In his responses, Montanarelli disclosed that he interviewed Lewinsky on June
16 and that she identified her voice and that of Tripp on a tape.

Sources have said that Lewinsky also told Montanarelli that she did not give
Tripp permission to tape their phone talks. All three are elements essential
to proving the wiretapping charge.

But the documents filed by Montanarelli gave no information as to whether he
actually has a copy of the Dec. 22, 1997, conversation.

Murtha contends that any copy of the audio tape would have to come from tape
that Tripp herself turned over to independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr. Tripp
provided the tapes to Starr in exchange for federal immunity.



© 1999 The Washington Post Company

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[CTRL] [BRIGADE] Bush Pushes Free Trade

1999-08-27 Thread Bill Richer

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Dear Brigade,

"Opponents say the deal has drained jobs from the United States by
encouraging companies to relocate to Mexico, hire low-paid workers and
ship the manufactured products back ...  Republican candidate Pat
Buchanan calls for a stop to NAFTA when he campaigns in South Carolina,
warning against the "deindustrialization of America.'' Most other candidates
in
both parties either support  the deal or have not made it an issue."

GO PAT  GO
Linda



Date sent:  Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:19:27 -0700
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Bush Pushes Free Trade in Region --
Worried About Jobs Heading South

San Antonio Express-News, AP Texas By Katie Fairbank
08/25/1999

CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) - Texas Gov. George W. Bush pitched open trade
Wednesday to a part of the country where many feel stung by it, declaring,
"We'll be prosperous if this nation does not retreat within its borders.''

Bush opened a three-day Southern swing with a series of events in South
Carolina, where his rivals for the Republican presidential nomination are
working hard for an early February primary. Next come campaign stops and
fund-raisers in North Carolina and Georgia.

Bush has been a strong advocate of the North American Free Trade
Agreement pioneered by his father when he was president and put into effect
in 1993 by President Clinton.

Texas exports to Mexico have jumped by more than 16 percent in two years
on the strength of NAFTA. But the results have been uneven by industry and
region, with critics citing a particular toll on textile mills and other
industries of
the Carolinas.

``The fearful build walls,'' Bush told the Charleston Rotary Club in a wide-
ranging stump speech that included his usual defense of liberalized trade.

He acknowledged harm done to the textile industry and said, without being
specific, that he supports ``anti-dumping'' laws to prevent some economic
sectors from being obliterated. But in the main, he said, the United States
must compete in the world.

``I say that free trade is healthy for our economy,'' he told reporters. ``We
want Mexico to succeed, not fail. After all, they are our friends.''

Later, Bush dropped the free trade segment when he spoke to a packed
crowd at a local country club.

In North Carolina, announcements of major plant closures have been made
three times just this year, eliminating jobs.

Supporters say NAFTA has been a success, citing increased exports and
improved relations with neighbors. Opponents say the deal has drained jobs
from the United States by encouraging companies to relocate to Mexico, hire
low-paid workers and ship the manufactured products back.

Republican candidate Pat Buchanan calls for a stop to NAFTA when he
campaigns in South Carolina, warning against the ``deindustrialization of
America.'' Most other candidates in both parties either support
   the deal or have not made it an issue.

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Re: [CTRL] CT Research?

1999-08-27 Thread Bill

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Is it is case of twisted knickers or is it wadded panties?

Kris Millegan wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 So what's got you all up in a bunch?

 Myself am busy, what's up?

 Om
 K

 In a message dated 8/27/99 12:43:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If someone tries to punch holes in your pet-theory: Ignore
 inconvenient questions and hope they'll go away.
 
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  end quote
 
 Are you scared of criticizing Fritz and running the risk of being
 branded a "satanist" too? Does he hurt you when you criticize him?
 Are you really living in a "Land of the free, home of the brave"?
 
 Be honest and remove the 'Research' from the name of the list.
 
 Goodnight kids, dream on...
 
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[CTRL] 10 FOODS FOR LONGEVITY

1999-08-27 Thread Bill Richer

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10 FOODS FOR LONGEVITY

  1.) Tomatoes.  A major source of the antioxidant lycopene that reduces the
risk of cancer by 40% -- notably prostate, lung and stomach cancers -- and
increases cancer survival.  Tomato eaters function better mentally in old
age and suffer half as much heart disease.  Concentrated tomato sauces have 5
times more lycopene han fresh tomatoes, and canned tomatoes have three times
more than fresh.

  2.) Olive Oil.  Shown to help reduce death from heart disease and cancer.
Recent research shows that heart-attack survivors on a Mediterranean diet had
half the death rates of those on an ordinary low-fat diet.  Olive oil is also
high in antioxidant activity.

  3.) Red Grapes, including red grape juice and red wine.  Red grapes have
moderate antioxidant power, while purple grape juice has four times more
antioxidant activity than orange or tomato juice.  Red wine (not white) has
about the same antioxidant capacity as purple grape juice or tea.  French
research show that drinking red wine in moderation increases longevity, but
excessive drinking has the opposite effect, so limit to two glasses per day.
Drink grape juice.

  4.) Garlic.  German researchers have found that garlic is packed with
antioxidants know to help fend off cancer, heart disease and all-over aging,
and prolong cancer survival time.  Let crushed garlic "rest" about 10 minutes
before cooking to preserve disease-fighting agents.

  5.) Spinach.  Second among vegetables only to garlic in antioxidant
capacity and is also rich in folic acid, which helps fight cancer, heart
disease and mental disorders.  New University of Kentucky research shows
folic acid may help prevent Alzheimer's disease.  Eat both raw and steamed
for best benefit.

  6.) Whole grains.  A University of Minnesota study suggests the more whole
grains you eat, the lower your odds of death by 15%.  Whole grains contain
anticancer agents and help stabilize blood sugar and insulin, which may
promote longevity.  Whole-grain "dark" breads, cereals such as All Bran, and
"old fashioned" oatmeal are an excellent source.

  7.) Salmon, and other fatty fish.  Contains high amounts of omega-3 fat
that performs miracles throughout the body, fighting virtually every chronic
disease known.  Without it, your brain can't think, your heart can't beat,
your arteries clog, and joints become inflamed.  You need one ounce a day, or
two servings of salmon, sardines, mackerel, herring or tuna per week.

  8.) Nuts.  Eating more than 5 ounces a week can cut heart-attack deaths in
women by 40% and help prevent deadly irregular heart beats in men a Harvard
University study found.  Almonds and walnuts lower blood cholesterol.  Most
of the fat in nuts is the good-type monounsaturated and/or omega-3.  Unsalted
nuts are best.

  9.) Blueberries.  High in antioxidants, Tufts University researchers say a
half-cup of blueberries a day can retard aging and can block brain changes
leading to decline and even reverse failing memory.

  10.) Tea.  Green or black tea has equal antioxidant benefit.  One cup a day
can cut heart disease risk in half Harvard researchers found.  Make from
loose tea or tea bags, instant and bottled tea has little effect Tufts
University shows.

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