Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment
Excellent point Mark. But I find it terribly difficult for people to protect our children from "homosexuals", call them perverse and so forth. Then when someone turns around and tries to stop the hate, everyone calls it a "Gestapo maneuver". I don't try to push my opinions on others. I just think my attempts here are more aimed towards it just being another news item, and it not publicly blasted across my bandwidth -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark McHugh Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 11:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment Nate Fischer wrote: You want to know what happened to MA, it is one of those coastal provinces you refer to, where people actually get along with one another and refuse to become godless commies. Those of you out there who believe that homosexuals are sick twisted bastards who don't belong to the moral majority are the commies. Nate, are you looking at this as a "gay" issue? I believe it begins at a more fundamental level. The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution provides for EQUAL protection under the law, not greater protection. The 1st Amendment provides for freedom of speech and association. You're free to try and persuade people, but you can't legislate morality. It must come from within and every individual has his own philosophy, whether he knows it or not. I like Alexander Berkman's words, "No opinion a law--no opinion a crime." Accusing people of belonging to the Moral Majority because they have preferences unlike your anothers is puzzling to me. I don't mind gays, but why do I have to hear about it all the time? If it's truly about wanting equality, good, but if it's just mere lifestyle promotion, enough already. I'm not pushing my beliefs on others and I'd appreciate reciprocity. -- ´´ Mark McHugh It is far better to say "NO" with conviction than to utter a "YES" merely to please or, worse yet, to avoid trouble. M.K. Gandhi A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment
-Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of BB Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 11:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment That's fine, NATE FISCHER - it is you who have chosen to make of me an enemy. I greet you as friend, and you announce to the world, like a typical liberal blatherer, that I am not so. Fine. YOU have made the choice. You made the choice for me, Bill. How you can be a friend of one you so despise. Interesting concept. Yes, so I tell it like it is, rather than hide my contempt for another behind the guise of friendship. Call me honest. Your comments reveal you to be one of the crowd who gets their jollies by becoming round-shouldered from patting the current establishment on the back for their "great courage" and "strong stands." Hurray for you and them too, I am not patting anyone on the back, I am just stating that perhaps it is time that people start paying attention to what is really going on in regards to subversive government movements, rather than supposed conspiracy to turn our children gay. but since you seem to have about a 1% grasp of dictatorships, and the Hitler era in paticular, the citizenry LOVED Hitler, and openly wept tears of adoration and joy when that lunatic monster appeared in their midst, and they loved "der fuehrer" And this only proves what fools they were. So they wept tears, because they were followers and not leaders, and they believe in an part of an idealism that did not show its true face until after the war. And besides Bill, I bet you the gays, jews, and other individuals who were sought after by the Gestapo were not so pleased. For people to call the Framingham school board the "Gestapo" seems to be a little bit insane. when he took a "strong stand," and decided for the nation what it is that they, and the state, believed and stood for. You would have loved the emperor's new clothes. No, I rather doubt that. Now, not to overlook the obvious, but every pro-American, conservative list seems to have it's one self-appointed "crap-stirrer" - who would rather foment discord amongst the members, than to have them realize the truth of what's going on around them. You seem to be the one on this site. Don't discuss the issues - kill the messenger. Maybe the Massachusetts explains it somewhat. Yes, you see my name here all the time. I hardly ever post, you can ask June and all the rest, they don't know who I am. I normally read the post to garner what information I can about the state of our government and its illusive activities. I believe that I have discussed the issues, and it seems that this particular issue revolves around the messengers and their idealisms. Hmmm, considering I have only lived in MA a short time, I am sure the brainwashing procedures have gone well. To quote yourself, "The last time I checked" -- NOBODY DIED and LEFT YOU BOSS -- so why you feel it's your duty to be rude, nasty and attempt to bawl me out in public when I am only noticing the obvious, raises real questions about YOUR MOTIVES. I am stating my opinion, Bill. I don't believe I have been any more rude than any other individual has at one point on this list in regards to an issue that they truly believe in. My motives. . . That's amusing, I will leave to speculation exactly what you meant about in that comment. You said In the meantime, STOP WASTING MY BANDWIDTH WITH "YOUR CRAP" You have subscribed to this site voluntarily - so stop your whining like the cry-baby you have demonstrated you are, and if you do not like me writing a commentary on another post, GET OUT!! Take your precious BANDWIDTH, There's the door -- put an egg in your shoe and BEAT IT !!! I will have to remember that one. Your friend, Bill Ball Nate Fischer wrote: Friends, Number one, after reading your post here, I couldn't consider you to be one of my friends. This crap must stop - and immediately. None of the "organizations" and "authorities" who are now acting like gestapo agents against the Boy Scouts of America seem not to realize that they do not have a dime to distribute or control except for the contributions or taxes of thousands of citizens who very likely feel very differently. I don't know where you live, but in MA, many of the "taxpaying" citizens had no issues when the school board in Framingham passed the inclusion of "sexual orientation" in their discrimination text. And, school "boards" and "authorities" had better listen up and come to a realization they are NOT in fact the Gestapo Headquarters in determining what rules, edicts and demands are to be followed by parents and students alike simply because they say so. Yes, god forbid that the school board act as "Gestapo agents" like the rest of people like you. If we can all remember back to the Hitler regime
[CTRL] WT: Pruden-A footnote to the lie: How he beats the rap
Washington Times-September 1, 2000 A footnote to the lie: How he beats the rap By Wesley Pruden Bill Clinton is fading quickly now, often not even bothering to look presidential. He went through one African country in a flowing dashiki (or maybe somebody's nightgown), and showed up in Colombia a few days later without his jacket, without his tie, looking in the newspaper photographs as if he had slept late in his clothes and hadn't taken time for a shave and a shower. The Arkansas Supreme Court is threatening to take away his law license because he lied about Monica Lewinsky in the Paula Jones lawsuit. You have to feel a little sympathy for a studly guy having a hard time keeping his molls straight (and separated). Haven't we all been there? But to a layman, untrained in how to find the loopholes that lawyers put there to make the law a profitable crap-shoot for tort artists, the disbarment case against the president looks airtight. The American Bar Association has what it calls (do not laugh, please) "standards" that lawyers are required to live up to. Standard No. 6.11 states plainly that disbarment is "generally appropriate when a lawyer, with the intent to deceive the court, makes a false statement, submits a false document or improperly withholds material information, and causes serious or potentially serious injury to a party, or causes a significant or potentially significant adverse effect on the legal proceeding." And it's not just the bar association. Only two years ago, the Arkansas Supreme Court upheld its board of law examiners who had denied a license to someone who had merely been "less than candid" on his application for membership in the bar. The justices said "there simply is no place in the law for a man or woman who cannot or will not tell the truth." Nevertheless, the Arkansas legal establishment, manipulated skillfully by Henry Woods, the 82-year-old senior federal judge in Arkansas whose hands are still sticky from a career as the plunderer-in-chief of Arkansas politics, may have cooked the outcome of the proceedings to a drearily familiar recipe. The case against Bill Clinton will be heard by state Circuit Court Judge Leon Johnson, appointed earlier this year by the governor to fill out the term, which expires Dec. 31, of a judge bounced from the bench by the Arkansas Supreme Court when he got caught stealing from a client. If Judge Johnson is unable to conclude the proceedings by New Year's Day, the case falls to his elected successor, a Democrat who was once appointed by Gov. Bill Clinton to the state commission on law-enforcement training standards. You might think this is bad news for Mr. Clinton law enforcement standards and all that but if you think that you don't understand Guatemala. Henry Woods once had a go-fer named Bill Wilson, and not only took him into his law firm but got him elected, first, as president of the state bar association and then got him appointed a U.S. district judge in Arkansas, where he now sits not far from his old mentor. Mr. Wilson subsequently found a protege of his own, named Stephen Engstrom, who is Arkansas being the world capital of coincidences Bill Clinton's Arkansas lawyer in the disbarment case. The wise men in Little Rock expect the judge who decides whether to take the Clinton law license to file a devastating critique of the president's behavior, a critique similar to Joe Lieberman's famous impeachment speech, eloquently written with ruffles and flourishes that even a casual reader might think had been written by, say, Henry Woods and Bill Wilson, indicting and convicting Mr. Clinton for everything short of treason, child molesting and cheating the pizza delivery boy. But he will conclude that none of that is reason to keep a man from practicing law with the good opinion of his colleagues at the bar. The bill of particulars will be so inclusive, so expansive, so humiliating for the defendant that the Arkansas Supreme Court would feel churlish indeed to reverse the circuit judge's opinion. I called my old friend Justice Jim Johnson, late of the Arkansas Supreme Court himself, a onetime Democratic nominee for governor who has won and lost more statewide races than any man in Arkansas politics, to ask whether this was too harsh, too cynical, too satirical. "Well," he said, with a heavy sigh, "It's evident enough to me that Stephen Engstrom will have the active help of all his old friends in obtaining some more 'Arkansas justice' for his new client." Bill Clinton's a New Yorker now, and he might get a Yankee's just deserts. But don't bet on it. For now he's California dreaming, practicing the rumpled earth-tone and bag-lady chic so familiar in Hollywood, impatient to get to Beverly Hills for a new job as Barbra Streisand's pool boy. But before that, he needs one last "Arkansas coincidence" to beat one last rap. Wesley Pruden is
[CTRL] Hirohito, behind it all along
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: "Alex Constantine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Lloyd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hirohito, behind it all along Date: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:44 PM U.S.News World Report magazine. 8/28/00 Hirohito, behind it all along Book reveals emperor's real role in the war By Steven Butler America fought for Japan's unconditional surrender in World War II in order to put an end to fascism. But somehow American occupation forces led by Gen. Douglas MacArthur never dismantled the imperial systemor dethroned the emperorin whose name the Japanese fought. History books tell us this is because Emperor Hirohito was all along a powerless pacifist, unable to influence Japan's political and military leaders, some of whom were hung for the crimes they committed in his name. A new biography of Hirohito out this month demolishes this myth of the passive constitutional monarch. Instead, argues historian Herbert Bix in Hirohito and the Making of Modern Japan, Hirohito was a full and active participant in the planning and prosecution of the war. He personally delayed the inevitable surrender for months essentially to protect his own skin and his divine imperial rule, while hundreds of thousands of Japanese citizens and soldiers died. Afterward, he lied about his role and sacrificed his chief lieutenants to the hangman. And, Bix writes, he did so with the full knowledge and encouragement of MacArthur, who used Hirohito to smooth the progress of the occupation and to shore up Japan as an ally in the Cold War that provided key military bases in the western Pacific. "This book is a major embarrassment to the U.S.," says Japan scholar Chalmers Johnson. "It shows the degree to which we were willing to dissimulate in order to make Japan into a satellite of the U.S." The book's argument about Hirohito is less revisionist history than a pathbreaking study of the diaries, letters, and Japanese scholarship that have gradually become available following Hirohito's death in 1989. And it prompts a major reconsideration of both what happened during the war and why Japan cannot face the past. Divine right. "I go to some lengths in the book to say that Hirohito was not an evil man," says Bix, a historian at Hitotsubashi University in Tokyo. Instead, he was a man of average intelligence and abilities, with no moral backbone, who received extensive military training and was carefully educated to believe the modern myth that he ruled by divine right. He was in name and fact the supreme commander of Japanese military forceswell briefed on all military activities from the bombing of Pearl Harbor to the atrocities committed by Japanese troops in Nanjing, and willing and able to intervene and issue orders. "He became a war leader only gradually," says Bix, after acquiescing without protest to the mutinous advance of Japanese troops deeper into China. Some of Hirohito's advisers actually welcomed the U.S. atomic bombings and the entry of the Soviet Union into the war because they gave Hirohito the perfect excuse to surrender and save his rule amid growing dissension at home. Instead of having to take responsibility for his disastrous prosecution of the war, Hirohito was able to depict the surrender as an imperial gift of peace to Japan's people. While that may seem unsurprising, more shocking is the extent to which America helped promulgate that lie. With knowledge and support by American prosecutors, witnesses in the Tokyo war trials were carefully coached to hide Hirohito's true role, according to the documentation Bix cites. Last week, Bix lamented the fact that only about half of Japanese recently polled agreed that Japan had pursued a war of aggression. Instead, the facts of the war are obscured and remain, in part, taboo. "Because Hirohito was exonerated and carried on, it really made it difficult for Japanese to deal with the issue of war responsibility," says John Dower, the Pulitzer Prize-winning historian. "It really became a taboo subject in the U.S., too." The continued vibrancy of the imperial myth was shockingly on display in May when Prime Minister Yoshiro Mori told an audience that "Japan is a divine nation with the emperor at its center." Says Dower: "This is terrifying because it is the rhetoric of the worst period of militaristic indoctrination." The book will be read with intense interest in Korea and China, where resentment over the war remains strong. But Americans will also pay attention. James T. Murphy is a survivor of the Bataan Death March in the Philippines, where he was a prisoner of war for over three years before being shipped to Japan for a year of slave labor in a copper mine run by Mitsubishi Mining. Murphy thinks the book could explain who was responsible for the horrible treatment
[CTRL] Crowley biography
I have to agree with June here that what makes a biography good is accuracy. I have this book and there is a lot left out about this man. He was not a kind a gentler type of man. Crowley started Satanism and then followers followed and that is how Satanism got so widespread then other satanists learned on how to become etc. I go to a Conspiracy kind of book store here, and they have like 2 ledges just on him. The man was dangerous and is responsible for starting this all. There is too much evidence that has been printed and shown over the years. Just like they said LaVey was just a fake. He was never a fake. He took up where Crowley left off. He was his successor. Birds Private Mail Welcome A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The same few people still own the country
This was a good article June. Birds A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment
I liked your answer here June. They are people too and should have every right that any other human being has. Everybody should have this but of course we know that will never happen. Birds Private Mail Welcome - Original Message - I don't mind gays, but why do I have to hear about it all the time? For the same reason that gays have to hear about the heterosexual lifestyle all the time. It's part of life. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] IS BUSH SICK ?
you wrote: ...IS BUSH SICK ? The method by which transiting heliocentric angles of planetary separation are compared to an individual's natal helio angles of planetary separation indicates that presidential candidate Bush won't be feeling very well come election eve, November 2000. This is certain to be true whether he wins the election or not. Conventional geocentric symbolic techniques may provide a clearer impression of the nature of the affliction(s). No-one is spared these periodic cosmic sieges so it shouldn't be taken personally. There are 36 angles. When 14 or more natal helio angles are matched SIMULTANEOUSLY AND EXACTLY by the helio trans angles it is as though the birth trauma is re-enacted. Adults are incapable of surviving such a shock (see Clinton at the moment of his formal impeachment and Jayne Mansfield at the time of her decapitation). Astrology computer programs in general fail to list the heliocentric planetary angles of separation. It is certainly very likely that governments have this method highly developed. The only defense is to provide false birthdata. The vested interests of commercial astrology prefer to use the method secretly. My wife, Marion, died of cervical cancer 24 November 1999 at the Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center. She had 17 simultaneously and exactly matching helio angles at that time..B.R.Wahl, Clarks Landing, Groton, Vermont, 4 September 2000. - Get free email from CMP at http://www.cmpnetmail.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] REPLY TO bq19 --IS BUSH SICK ?
I am so sorry about your wife dying this way and I cannot imagine your grief and anger. I definitely believe you. Bush is head hancho in the NWO and the Illuminati. My wife, Marion, died of cervical cancer 24 November 1999 at the Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center. She had 17 simultaneously and exactly matching helio angles at that time..B.R.Wahl, Clarks Landing, Groton, Vermont, 4 September 2000 Birdie4 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 2:29 AM Subject: [CTRL] IS BUSH SICK ? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SNET: Fwd: THE GHOST FROM VALLEY FORGE (fwd)
visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 03:05:57 -0700 From: RCB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: SNET [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: Fwd: THE GHOST FROM VALLEY FORGE - SNETNEWS Mailing List ==BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE== THE GHOST FROM VALLEY FORGE I had a dream the other night I didn't understand, A figure walking through the mist, with flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty, as he stood there by my bed, He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low he said: "We fought a revolution to secure our liberty, We wrote the Constitution, as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave, In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. The freedom we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep, But tyrants laboured endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom gone - your courage lost - you're no more than a slave, In this, the land of the free and the home of the brave. You buy permits to travel, and permits to own a gun, Permits to start a business, or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent, Although you have no voice in choosing how the money's spent. Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, Your moral values can't be taught, according to the state. You read about the current news in a very biased press, You pay a tax you do not owe, to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver or of gold, You trade your wealth for paper, so life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our Nation turn from God to shame, You've taken Satan's number, as you've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm, So they can padlock churches, and steal the family farm. And keep our country deep in debt, put men of God in jail, Harass your fellow countryman while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oath they're sworn, Your daughters visit doctors so children won't be born. Your leaders ship artillery and guns to foreign shores, And send your sons to slaughter, fighting other people's wars. Can you regain your Freedom for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage, or the faith to stand with pride? Are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children live in fear and be a slave? Sons of the Republic, arise and take a stand! Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land! Preserve our Republic, and each God-given right! And pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright!" As I awoke he vanished, in the mist from whence he came, His words were true, we are not free, and we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God-given right, We only watch and tremble -- too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you're asleep, And wonder what remains of your right he fought to keep. What would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free and home of the brave? Douglas Walker ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics ===END FORWARDED MESSAGE=== - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment
I tell my children that virginity and chastity are sexual orientations to. If it were just a case of teaching open-mindedness then I think those ideas would be taught in school as well. I was brought up to believe that people were educated to make their own choices. Sex - interesting! You do not need to know anything about it to enjoy it. For the true sports person, it is the only sport in which both people are able to win at the same time. Sex - as an art done in multiple formats? The art is in keeping the relationship going. I can have more fun with my mate, in an horizontal position, feet away, with my clothes on, sans sexual connotations because he does believe in sportsmanship then I had found in any of those "STUDS" that were basically wired for one function. To believe that power is in cuss words, sex powers, religion, homosexualism, physical powers, or future "telepathic powers" is to associate things in a mono format. Laura 04Sept2000 Nate Fischer wrote: -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of BB Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 11:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment That's fine, NATE FISCHER - it is you who have chosen to make of me an enemy. I greet you as friend, and you announce to the world, like a typical liberal blatherer, that I am not so. Fine. YOU have made the choice. You made the choice for me, Bill. How you can be a friend of one you so despise. Interesting concept. Yes, so I tell it like it is, rather than hide my contempt for another behind the guise of friendship. Call me honest. Your comments reveal you to be one of the crowd who gets their jollies by becoming round-shouldered from patting the current establishment on the back for their "great courage" and "strong stands." Hurray for you and them too, I am not patting anyone on the back, I am just stating that perhaps it is time that people start paying attention to what is really going on in regards to subversive government movements, rather than supposed conspiracy to turn our children gay. but since you seem to have about a 1% grasp of dictatorships, and the Hitler era in paticular, the citizenry LOVED Hitler, and openly wept tears of adoration and joy when that lunatic monster appeared in their midst, and they loved "der fuehrer" And this only proves what fools they were. So they wept tears, because they were followers and not leaders, and they believe in an part of an idealism that did not show its true face until after the war. And besides Bill, I bet you the gays, jews, and other individuals who were sought after by the Gestapo were not so pleased. For people to call the Framingham school board the "Gestapo" seems to be a little bit insane. when he took a "strong stand," and decided for the nation what it is that they, and the state, believed and stood for. You would have loved the emperor's new clothes. No, I rather doubt that. Now, not to overlook the obvious, but every pro-American, conservative list seems to have it's one self-appointed "crap-stirrer" - who would rather foment discord amongst the members, than to have them realize the truth of what's going on around them. You seem to be the one on this site. Don't discuss the issues - kill the messenger. Maybe the Massachusetts explains it somewhat. Yes, you see my name here all the time. I hardly ever post, you can ask June and all the rest, they don't know who I am. I normally read the post to garner what information I can about the state of our government and its illusive activities. I believe that I have discussed the issues, and it seems that this particular issue revolves around the messengers and their idealisms. Hmmm, considering I have only lived in MA a short time, I am sure the brainwashing procedures have gone well. To quote yourself, "The last time I checked" -- NOBODY DIED and LEFT YOU BOSS -- so why you feel it's your duty to be rude, nasty and attempt to bawl me out in public when I am only noticing the obvious, raises real questions about YOUR MOTIVES. I am stating my opinion, Bill. I don't believe I have been any more rude than any other individual has at one point on this list in regards to an issue that they truly believe in. My motives. . . That's amusing, I will leave to speculation exactly what you meant about in that comment. You said In the meantime, STOP WASTING MY BANDWIDTH WITH "YOUR CRAP" You have subscribed to this site voluntarily - so stop your whining like the cry-baby you have demonstrated you are, and if you do not like me writing a commentary on another post, GET OUT!! Take your precious BANDWIDTH, There's the door -- put an egg in your shoe and BEAT IT !!! I will have to remember that one. Your friend, Bill Ball Nate Fischer wrote: Friends,
Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment
From: "Birds" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I liked your answer here June. 'T wasn't me... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [LeftLibertarian] Gulf war uranium poisoning
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: "Kent Hastings" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LeftLibertarian] Gulf war uranium poisoning Date: Sunday, September 03, 2000 3:18 PM -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates of 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Ongoing APR* and no annual fee! Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/7872/6/_/643237/_/968008691/ -_- Go to an Army recruiting center near you today! --- Copyright 2000 [London] Times Newspapers Ltd. September 3 2000 WORLD Tests show Gulf war victims have uranium poisoning Jonathon Carr-Brown and Martin Meissonnier NEW evidence that Gulf war syndrome exists and was caused by radiation poisoning will be revealed today by a former American army colonel who was at the centre of his government's attempts to diagnose the illness. Dr Asaf Durakovic will tell a conference of eminent nuclear scientists in Paris that "tens of thousands" of British and American soldiers are dying from radiation from depleted uranium (DU) shells fired during the Gulf war. The findings will undermine the British and American governments' claims that Gulf war syndrome does not exist and intensify pressure from veterans on both sides of the Atlantic for compensation. Durakovic, who is professor of nuclear medicine at Georgetown University, Washington, and the former head of nuclear medicine at the US Army's veterans' affairs medical facility in Delaware, will tell the conference that he and his team of American and Canadian scientists have discovered life-threateningly high levels of DU in Gulf veterans 10 years after the desert war. His findings, which have been verified by four independent experts, is embarrassing for the Ministry of Defence (MoD) and American Defence Department, which have consistently refused to test Gulf war veterans for DU. Durakovic will tell the European Association of Nuclear Medicine that tests on 17 veterans have shown DU in the urine and bones of 70% of them. Depleted uranium does not occur naturally. It is the by-product of the industrial processing of waste from nuclear reactors and is better known as weapons-grade uranium. It is used to strengthen the tips of shells to ensure that they pierce armour. Durakovic, who left America because he was told his life was in danger if he continued his research, has concluded that troops inhaled the tiny uranium particles after American and British forces fired more than 700,000 DU shells during the conflict. The finding begins to explain for the first time why medical orderlies and mechanics are the principal victims of Gulf war syndrome. British Army engineers who removed tanks hit by DU shells from the battlefield and medical personnel who cut off the clothes of Iraqi casualties in field hospitals have been disproportionately affected. Once inside the body, DU causes a slow death from cancers, irreversible kidney damage or wastage from immune deficiency disorders. In the UK, where more than 400 veterans are estimated to have died from "Gulf war syndrome", at least 50 of those victims came from Reme (Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers) units. Others, such as Ray Bristow, 42, of Hull, who was a theatre technician for 32 Field Hospital, are now wheelchair-bound. Tests carried out by Durakovic on Bristow showed that, nine years after leaving the Gulf, he had more than 100 times the safe limit of DU in his body. Durakovic said: "I doubt whether the MoD or Pentagon will have the audacity to challenge these results. I can't say this is the solitary cause of Gulf war syndrome, but we now have clear evidence that it is a leading factor in the majority of victims. "I hope the US and UK governments finally realise that, by continuing to use this ammunition, they are effectively poisoning their own soldiers." An MoD spokesman said it would study any new evidence: "Our aim is to get the best care for British veterans and our views are based on the best evidence around." __ FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com Community email addresses: Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/LeftLibertarian Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire
[CTRL] [Fwd: Oprah having Gore + Bush on her show-GET NADER THERE TOO!]
Original Message Subject: Oprah having Gore + Bush on her show-GET NADER THERE TOO! Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:35:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Graffis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; (Please forward widely) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:12:38 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: oprah is asking gore and bush on her show. gore already accepted. if nader was asked on the show that would validate his nomination for about half of the nation. so, if you go on oprah.com (below is complete url) there is a place to send in comments. i wrote a letter to "suggestions for future shows". .. .. . so i gave this info to br greens meeting thurs and would like for as many people as possible to write. should try to get physical address and write there also. this is what i wrote but please include whatever info or persuasion you feel might be effective: "Oprah" has always done a remarkable job giving viewers full perspective on important issues. I was, therefore, shocked when I learned that only Bush and Gore have been invited to appear on a future show. I am writing to request that Ralph Nader also be invited to the same show. Our country needs to know that there are more than two choices. Third party candidates may never be taken seriously if shows as influential as "Oprah" fail to include them as valid choices. The people have the right to know that Ralph Nader is an option (a great one!). America has already met Bush and Gore - let Nader speak. Then with this full perspective, citizens can make a truly knowledgeable choice. In hopes of REAL change, Kelly Johnson http://www.oprah.com/email/reach/email_reach_suggest.html snip A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Andrew D Basiago's phone call - 9/4/00
A "gentleman" calling himself Andrew D Basiago, just called my home phone and yelled and screamed at me to get his works off of my web site. This gentelman had contacted me in July to ask that I remove "all works written by me." in the ctrl archives. I refused. The ctrl archives are unedited and shall stay that way. The "works" were posts from other lists and are public. He has stated that he feels that the posts are damaging his reputation and ability to earn a living and other complaints. His posts are found in many places. He was completely screaming at the top of his lungs, stated he was going to take me to court. I said, "Go, ahead." And told him No, the archives are unedited. He said things like this is way beyond court, Do not make me come up to Noti and other threats. He also accused me of being a CIA-plant on the" left." And also did some ravings about "pot" and my involvemnet with the CIA-Drugs issue. He eventually hung-up after being unable to provoke me into his shouting match. Que? Who cares, but let us all keep an eye out. Om K A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Andrew D Basiago's phone call - 9/4/00
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Que? Who cares, but let us all keep an eye out. Immediately call the police and file a complaint. Get a restraining order against this guy. That way you'll save a lot of money on your legal defense if he actually comes to your house later and you have to shoot him. You'll still need a lawyer, but you wont need Johnny Cochran. Also, it always looks better if the body falls inside the house. So if he comes through the door or window, let him. Then shoot. Then call the police immediately. Do NOT handle the body or his weapon. It's best to kill him with the first shot because a coup de grace sometimes gets dicey in court. I recommend a 12 guage. You wont need a second shot. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Bulgaria Under USA Yoke
Jela, your friend, Jared Israel publishes this racist, Buchanan supporter, Bob Djurdjevic and Bob returns the favor by publishing him. What filth. Michael Pugliese http://www.haverford.edu/relg/sells/reports/muttamericabelgrade.htm "Mutt" America, The Religio-Racist Right, and Genocide in the Balkans Michael Sells July 8, 1999 In Illinois and Indiana, a racist goes on a terror spree, shooting blacks, Jews, and Asians in a declared effort to free White, Christian America from the "mud people" (non-white, non-Christian peoples). In Kosovo, peacekeepers are coming across the horror of the wells: wells in which the bodies of Kosovar Albanian women and girls, who had been held, raped for days or weeks, and tortured by Serb police and paramilitaries, had been thrown. In some cases, forensics experts have shown that the victims were alive when then were thrown into the wells and either drowned or were killed after grenades were thrown in on top of them. The numbers of atrocity sites in Kosovo run into many hundreds, perhaps thousands, and the war-crimes investigators can only selectively choose certain sites. This is the continuation of a campaign of "ethnic cleansing" that began in 1992 in Bosnia and lasted in that country for three years. In the areas controlled by the Serbian army every mosque and every trace of Bosnian Muslim civilization was eradicated, including hundreds of mosques and monuments and manuscripts dating to the 15th and 16th century and recognized as masterworks of southeast european architecture and heritage. Those responsible for such atrocities have ingested one of the most virulent forms of racial and religious bigotry I have ever investigated, an ideology that equates both Bosnian Muslims and Kosovar Albanians with Christ-killers, race-traitors, and genetic deformation. I have spent years studying this this ideology of ethnic and religious extermination and how it is based on the manipulation of the mythology of Kosovo /1/. While anyone with a sense of humanity understands that these two incidents, in Kosovo and in the American mid-west, are intimately related, and that any murder of a person out of ethnic or religious bigotry is a murder of all humanity, the ties between U.S. racist and Christianist groups (those that believe the U.S. is by nature and must always remain a Christian state) and the Belgrade proponents of "ethnic cleansing" are now become increasingly strong. In the U.S., supporters of Serb nationalist "ethnic cleansers" are writing that the effort to liberate White, Christian America from the the "browning of America" are like the effort of a courageous Christian Serb nation to liberate itself from the bastarization brought by Albanian Muslims. In an earlier posting, I outlined the intriguing connections among the GOP extreme right and the pro-Belgrade lobby. These connections included the Serbian Unity Congress, which has the expulsion of Kosovar Albanians as a major plank of its platform dating back to 1991, SRPSKA-MREZA a less moderate version of the SUC, James Jatras a speaker at SUC events and advisor to Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho) and the GOP Senate Policy Committee who has written anti-Muslim hate literature categorizing Islam as a "Christian Killing Machine," reviling the Qur'an, and speaking of Islam as the outgrowth of "Heathen Araby." Most people don't use terms like "Heathen Araby" anymore and few people are as ignorant of the history and culture of Islam as Mr. Jatras, but his stereotypes play play big with the GOP Senate leadership. Others involved discussed in my earlier piece for their pro-Belgrade positions and their ties to the Neo Confederate Right and the SUC were Reps. Dan Burton, Bob Barr, Tom Campbell, and Randy "Duke" Cunningham, the John Birch Society and its journal The New American, and its two most prominent writers, Rep. Helen Chenoweth (R-Idaho), and Senator James Inhofe (R-Oklahoma). Many of these people intersect through the Rockford Institute, an extreme Christian-right organization dedicated to fighting the non-Christian and non-White threat to White,Christian America. All opposed the NATO operation to stop the 10 year butchery of the Belgrade regime in the Balkans and all recycled standard Belgrade propaganda and many were behind efforts to stop the NATO operation cold, efforts that, had they succeeded, would have allowed the Milosevic regime to carry out what its paramilitaries have said was their goal, the extermination of every last Kosovar Albanian still inside Kosovo. My original essay has now been updated with information on new figures, such as Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) and will include the information below. See The GOP Right, the Belgrade Lobby, and NeoConfederacy Groups: Multiple Connections. I have also found a number of statements by William Pierce, the leader of the Christian Identity Movement and author of the racist hate-manual The Turner Diaries which inspired
[CTRL] GOP Right, Belgrade Lobby, and Neo-Confederacy -- Multiple Connections
GOPBelgradehttp://www.haverford.edu/relg/sells/reports/gopbelgrade.htm GOP Right, Belgrade Lobby, and Neo-Confederacy -- Multiple Connections Michael Sells June 14, 1999, updated July 6, 1999 In the Italian sector of Kosovo, the bodies of the Lipay family were discovered thrown down the family well, including 4 children and 1 woman. All were female and all had been raped and tortured. Some of the girls and women and been thrown into the well while still alive. A grenade was thrown on the top bodies, apparently in an attempt to eliminate the evidence. Turin La Stampa (30 JUNE). http://www.lastampa.it/LST/ESTERI/GRIGNETTI.htm In the French sector, " In 3 wells in the village of Qirez, the bodies of 8 women, who had been raped over a 53-day period and then thrown alive into the water, according to French forensic experts, were recovered. The departing paramilitaries were said to have left with the locals' tractors loaded with booty and to have torched all but 20 of the 232 houses." Paris LIBERATION (5 July) as paraphrased on the July 6, 1999 Justwatch Newsgroup. The above reports are just two of many thousands of incidents of mass-murder, torture, organized rape, and systematic annihilation of cultural and sacral heritage reported committed by the Serbian army, Serbian Special Police, and Serbian Paramilitaries in Bosnia from 1992-1995 and in Kosovo from 1996-1999. The true extent and nature of this organized campaign of extermination and terror leveled against Bosnian Muslims and Albanians by the Belgrade regime of Slobodan Milosevic is beyond human imagination. After reading hundreds of confirmed reports such as the above, one loses the ability to imagine the extent and methodical nature of the "ethnic cleansing" campaign. Yet the GOP congressional leadership, and especially the extreme right-wing, has been adamantly opposed to confronting the Milosevic regime's ten year campaign of "ethnic cleansing," and has proposed legislation that would in effect strengthen the ability of the Belgrade regime to carry out its atrocities with impunity. When one looks closely at the words and acts of the GOP congressional leaders and their allies in relationship to the genocide in the Balkans, even more disturbing questions arise. Since the NATO campaign began on March 24, the GOP congressional leadership and especially a group of extreme right-wingers have been calling the NATO operation "Clinton's War" and was openly hoping it would fail and end up in disaster. The House refused to endorse the operation by a 213-213 vote. Reps. Dan Burton,Tom Campbell, and Bob Barr filed a lawsuit attempting to stop U.S. participation cold, a suit that had it won, would have destroyed the NATO effort and led to a complete victory by Milosevic and a final blood bath against Kosovars, along with the destruction of NATO. And despite the principled and knowledgable position of some GOP senators, included John McCain, John Warner, and Richard Lugar, the Senate leadership was continually sniping at the effort and openly chagrined when it succeeded. The lawsuit co-signed by Cambpell, Burton, and Barr was filled by Rep. RON PAUL (R-Texas). See Rep. Paul's May 1, 1999 Press Release: http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press99/pr050199.htm. Rep. Paul has portrayed the organized annihilation of the Kosovar Albanian communities as a civil war in which "both sides think they are right," and has attacked any efforts to confront the Belgrade regime's ten year policy of "ethnic cleansing." Among his many speeches and writings on the subject, see http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst99/tst032999.htm The lawsuit extends an effort that began with Rep. Paul's introduction of legislation (HR 447) on Feb. 9, 1999 to stop President Clinton's proposal to send US troops into Kosovo as part of a NATO-led peacekeeping force, legislation that, had it passed, would have given a blank check for the Milosevic regime to carry out its long-prepared plan to destroy the Kosavar Albanian community. Senator GORDON SMITH (R-New Hampshire) introduced a similar measure in the Senate. See the Feb. 24 press release of Represenative Paul at http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press99/pr022499-smith.htm This behavior has been attributed to the personalized hatred of Clinton that would lead many in the GOP to sell their own mothers if they thought it would hurt Clinton. But there are also ideological affinities between the GOP right and the Belgrade lobby, as well as strong financial and political connections. Much of the opposition has been focused in Texas and Oklahoma. There are now clear links between this opposition and Neo-Confederate groups angry at Hispanic immigration in Texas who see the Yugoslav army and police action against alleged Albanian immigrants as eminently understandable and, they imply, perhaps a model. Below are a few examples. To trace the WEB, follow the names: Rep. Dan Burton, Senator Larry Craig, James George Jatras, Yossef Bodansky, The U.S. Senate Republican
Re: [CTRL] [L-I] Bulgaria Under USA Yoke.
[L-I] Bulgaria Under USA Yoke [L-I] Bulgaria Under USA Yoke Johannes Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:56:34 +0200 Previous message: [L-I] Response To Macdonald Stainsby On KURDISH QUESTION Next message: [L-I] 'Integration' denied to those ones that want to 'integrate' Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Jela Jovanovic quoted: AUSCHWITZ NEAR SOFIA... By Ivan Angelov, born 1943; International Relations Graduate (1969); Ph.D. (1975); Associate Professor (1988) In the same way, both local and foreign politicians and opinion makers seem not to notice how Auschwitz is being reproduced here these days when the life of millions of that country population has been turned into a humiliating everyday fight for bare survival as a result of the introduction of a series of inadequate economic measures and policies. I think its rather inapropiate to compare the results of capitalist privatization in Bulgaria to the Nazi holocaust. The holocaust was a consciously planned, complete and bureaucratically exectuted extermination of whole peoples. I do not think one needs much intellectual capacities to understand, that its something different than what is happening in Bulgaria today. Its obvious that such a comparision belittles the holocaust. At the same time it does not help the resistance againts the reintroduction of private capitalism in Eastern Europe, because such comparisions have the effect that the rest of the article can easily be dismissed as wrong as well. Johannes Previous message: [L-I] Response To Macdonald Stainsby On KURDISH QUESTION Next message: [L-I] 'Integration' denied to those ones that want to 'integrate' Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Reports: Saddam stricken with cancer
- Original Message - From: "Amelia Kay Edgeman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 11:17 AM Subject: Reports: Saddam stricken with cancer http://www.msnbc.com/news/455088.asp A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Premier ousted in Lebanon election
- Original Message - From: "Amelia Kay Edgeman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 11:19 AM Subject: Premier ousted in Lebanon election http://www.msnbc.com/news/455249.asp A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Enemas of the state
Watching the watchershttp://www.forteantimes.com/artic/134/conspiracy.html Enemas of the state "The familiar is strange...The familiar isn't reassuring. It isn't safe... We coexist with dissonance." Jodi Dean, Aliens in America As the information deluge takes on biblical proportions, piling up the digital sandbags becomes an increasingly futile gesture. Links and connections lie all around, but following them leads you only in circles. Adrift amongst seas of information and disinformation, claim and counterclaim, a detached, more fortean approach to conspiracy research appears increasingly relevant. But beware, you may feel that you're sitting comfortably on the fence, but can you see the ground beneath it? MARK PILKINGTON made contact with some of the people who, for the past few years, have been doing their best to collate, process and filter the traffic on the disinformation superhighway. PERSONNEL: Greg Bishop (GB), Fortean Times contributor and editor of The Excluded Middle magazine. Jodi Dean (JD), Associate Professor of Political Science at Hobart and William Smith Colleges, and author of Aliens in America: Conspiracy Cultures from Outerspace to Cyberspace. Robert Sterling (RS), writer and overseer of The Konformist ezine. Kenn Thomas (KT), Fortean Times contributor, editor of Steamshovel Press magazine and author of numerous books, including The Octopus and Maury Island UFO. Jonathan Vankin (JV), author of The 70 Greatest Conspiracies of all Time. FT: What do you make of the recent ECHELON revelations in the mainstream media? JV: A couple of years ago, I put together a proposal for a "reality" TV special on conspiracies. A fairly successful TV producer shopped it around to most of the major networks. The top story on the show was going to be Echelon. No one was interested. RS: I will say this: what is being reported about Echelon is but the tip of the iceberg. I have heard some of the most astounding allegations of where the technology to monitor and control people is: the most bizarre sounding have been proven true to my satisfaction. I believe we are reaching a point where science fiction may become obsolete, since there will soon be nothing fiction about it, at least technologically speaking. What was once a dream of a hi-tech future is a hi-tech now...what was once called science fiction will be termed a business plan. GB: One example that springs to mind is the use of psychics to remotely control or influence unwitting subjects, as well as to control computers or other devices. As long ago as 1980 this was written about as a reality in the Military Review, a sort of digest for strategic planners in the armed forces. FT: Are revelations such as Echelon, the ongoing Waco inquiries and the Gulf War Syndrome probes evidence that it's becoming harder for governments to keep secrets in an increasingly information-led age? KT: Obviously the concentration of resources to spy and conceal is far more advanced than the ability of independent scholars to know about it, analyse it and tell others. That's the whole point behind Echelon. RS: Perhaps I am being overly cynical, but the lesson that governmental power is eroding is a false one. Look again at the Waco "news" reports. Much of what is even known of the "truth" still has not been revealed. Further, what has been revealed has mainly been due to leaks of the Texas National Guard. Who runs the Texas National Guard? The state's governor, George W. Bush is, coincidentally, running for President. His chief rival is Al Gore, the current Vice-President, who coincidentally certainly would be politically damaged by any scandal uncovered in the Waco siege. I guess what I'm saying is that even when "conspiracies" are revealed to the masses, odds are there is a conspiracy behind the revelation. There is little virtue behind any acknowledgement of truth by those with power, merely convenience. GB: Bureaucracy being what it is, I hesitate to speculate whether the directors of these organisations and their friends in the private sector have the full picture either. They all lie to each other too. The general public and most news reporters are like bottom feeders, waiting for the castoffs from the vessels above. Sometimes something is thrown overboard by accident, and we get a little piece of the puzzle. By its nature though, the way that important information is disseminated is so disjointed, it takes a very long time to start putting things together, and most people are greatly distracted by what is right in front of them at the time. This is the beauty of a "free press" - using people's natural laziness to work to your advantage. RS: A very important point. One question I get a lot is, "Wouldn't you love to be in that room with the documents that really tell who killed JFK, or what crashed in Roswell?" I've come to the conclusion there is no such room. In fact, my guess is that those in the higher echelon of power are even less sure of reality
Re: [CTRL] ISRAELI BANKS KEPT NAZI VICTIMS ASSETS
In a message dated 09/03/2000 5:24:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Israeli banks and the Israel Land Development Company have resisted opening up their records. As the victims' lawyer Roland Roth argued, both the Israeli and Swiss banks are motivated by a desire to preserve their assets. "Every economic body has an interest in holding on to what it can," he said. Isn't it intriguing that the very people who call shame on the rest of the world about the circumstances of the Holocaust are only too willing to cheat its victims? So much for Zion which like Utopia and Agape has become only a word. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Chelsea risks all for taste of the limelight
In a message dated 09/03/2000 9:55:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Anybody who attacks Chelsea is a fool," said Dane Strother, a Democratic political consultant. "It's a fundamental law: you don't attack someone's children, however old they are." As students of American politics are only too aware, however, the Clintons have broken every rule in the book; their opponents may decide to do the same. Their opponents already have. I remember that just at the time they were whining that Monica was just a young innocent of 23 who had been taken advantage of by the big bad Clinton, Chelsea was receiving some really nasty press, but they said it was okay because she was l8 and therefore an adult. One expects Republicans to continue to adhere to their policy that "any means to an end" is the way for them to go. There is no question that the Republicans have family values. The same family values entertained by the Borgias. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Chelsea risks all for taste of the limelight
In a message dated 09/03/2000 10:13:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I want Andy Griffith for president. My, my Saba. How well do you know this family? You have such rancor. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Chelsea risks all for taste of the limelight
Well, Prudy, SAYING something about a young person and having oral sex with them are not the same thing. And of course things will be said, jokes made, etc. as it always is. It has always been done by both sides. That is the nature of politics in this country. Remember Barbara Walters disbelief that Amy Carter could have even a vague concept of nuclear proliferation? My own kids grasped the concept that young and I have no doubt it had been discussed in the Carter family but it became a source of doubt. Anyway, I just don't think it is the same as having sex with somebody to say something negative about them. I am sure she fully expects things to be said. Who has been spared this? I cannot think of anybody in recent years. It might be more of an insult to be ignored. "Tis the way the game is played. It is certainly not peculiar to one political party nor the other. AKE - Original Message - From: "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Chelsea risks all for taste of the limelight In a message dated 09/03/2000 9:55:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Anybody who attacks Chelsea is a fool," said Dane Strother, a Democratic political consultant. "It's a fundamental law: you don't attack someone's children, however old they are." As students of American politics are only too aware, however, the Clintons have broken every rule in the book; their opponents may decide to do the same. Their opponents already have. I remember that just at the time they were whining that Monica was just a young innocent of 23 who had been taken advantage of by the big bad Clinton, Chelsea was receiving some really nasty press, but they said it was okay because she was l8 and therefore an adult. One expects Republicans to continue to adhere to their policy that "any means to an end" is the way for them to go. There is no question that the Republicans have family values. The same family values entertained by the Borgias. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Mummy's Curse and Worse....
Well June, do not know what happened; this keyboard is a little battery operated thing, and I must have gotten off a key..should have proofed, but I do not look when I type and often miss errors for I do not look at my hands - and was copying data from book. I type with keyboard on my lap; you ask why I do not use table? Because I sit back in a big chair with coke on table, and all the good stuff and cannot relax at table.Besides, I do not want to get secretary spread, sitting in chair. Now I admit, my letter might have been confusing.. once I went to sleep typing and do not even remember what I sent but boy, I nearly left town on that one. Saba By the way the people the richest set, was returning from Upper Egypt..so goodbye Titanic with little High Priestess aboard in golden coffin. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Crowley biography
In a message dated 9/4/00 4:17:45 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Crowley started Satanism and then followers followed and that is how Satanism got so widespread then other satanists learned on how to become etc Uh huh...I guess this "birdie" is a dodo then? This analysis is so ridiculous and simplistic that the factual errors are almost lost...Crowley "started satanism"?? Hm...not even clear that he practised "satanism" much less "started" it...What tripe! Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Flight800: ABCNews on Witnesses
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: "Ian Goddard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Flight800: ABCNews on Witnesses Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 3:31 AM ABC NEWS BREAKS RANK LISTENS TO FLIGHT 800 WITNESSES Amazingly, ABC News just covered witnesses of the TWA Flight 800 crash in an atmosphere that did not criminalize the consideration of witness accuracy. Suddenly it's safe to second-guess the FBI/NTSB!? While covering the terrorist-missile theory, the Navy-missile theory wasn't to be mentioned once. ABCNews also notably failed to acknowledge the 30 unidentified large surface vessels below Flight 800, most of which were either in or headed toward the reported-to-be activated naval-warning zone W-105. Well, maybe next year ABCNews will discover that too, until then there's always, Ian Goddard's Journal: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/twa-core.htm = ABC NEWS BREAKS RANK LISTENS TO FLIGHT 800 WITNESSES === http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/TWA800Missile000716.html === ABCNews.com Could 100 Witnesses Have Been Mistaken? Questions Linger Over TWA Flight 800 Disaster Four Years Later Joe Lychner is accompanied by an expert as he views the wreckage of TWA Flight 800 at a hangar in Calverton, N.Y. in this Nov. 19, 1997, file photo. Lychner lost his wife and two daughters in the crash. (Mark Lennihan/AP Photo) By David Ruppe N E W Y O R K, July 17 -- Today is the fourth anniversary of one of the most mysterious, tragic and controversial air crashes in U.S. history -- the explosion of TWA Flight 800 off the coast of Long Island, which killed 230 passengers and crew. It is also roughly a month before the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is scheduled to announce the conclusions of its four-year investigation into the cause of the crash. The government's investigation of the TWA 800 crash, considered the largest and most expensive in commercial air disaster history, has been controversial from the start. In the days following, nearly 100 of more than 700 eyewitnesses interviewed by the FBI described seeing a streak of light move from the Earth leading to an explosion, which seemed to suggest a missile had struck the Boeing 747. Initially, law enforcement officials also strongly believed a criminal act -- either a bomb or a missile -- was the likeliest explanation for the catastrophic explosion, which severed the plane's front end, including the cockpit, from the rest of the fuselage. But now, government officials from the FBI, CIA and, privately, the NTSB, say they are fairly convinced no such thing occurred. All that investigators will say they know for sure is that the plane's center fuel tank blew up. To date, no single source of ignition for that explosion has been identified, although investigators say they have closed in on several possibilities. So why have government officials dismissed the missile theory? How could so many eyewitnesses be wrong? Largely because of the absence of any physical evidence supporting the theory and the unreliability of memory, current and former officials say. But ABCNEWS.com's examination of the main arguments and evidence used by various government agencies to dismiss the missile theory reveals a degree of conjecture, along with disagreements about key eyewitness accounts. Compelling Eyewitness Accounts The most compelling case for the missile theory is made by the 755 FBI records of eyewitness interviews, which were recorded on standardized FBI "FD-302" forms typically used by the bureau in court. Recently posted on the Internet and given little notice by the press, the FBI records seem to tell a dramatic story of a missile striking the plane. Ninety-six of the eyewitnesses -- from boats, from the Long Island shore, and from a nearby jet and helicopter -- described seeing a streak of light or what appeared to be a flare moving up from the Earth and eventually leading to an explosion over the Atlantic, according to the FBI reports. One eyewitness, for instance, described "what he thought was a shooting star traveling west to east, coming form the south shore, over Fire Island," an FBI agent wrote. The "object he observed was more like a bottle-rocket with a dull orange glow to it" and he "further stated that the glow moved faster than an aircraft." Yet another witness on Long Island's south shore said she observed "what appeared to be a 'contrail' which appeared to be coming from an object which was flying toward the plane which she had been watching," according to another FBI record. That eyewitness said she thought the
Re: [CTRL] Andrew D Basiago's phone call - 9/4/00
Krissounds like the guy could be having a breakdown.I lost a lot of mail lately as I could not keep up with all.and I am not even sure who this guy is. Why target you for words of others? Is it an attempt at censorship? What is he doing reading this list if he is so sensitive - there are so many plants about they have all taken root by now and probably just attempt at censorship. Now I am so curious I am going to pull up his name when I get home. Somebody is always trying to shut someone up..got to be a reason, but I think he is having breakdown and needs money.and that is my own personal opinion. saba He verges on intimidating calls and I hope you record them..depriving CTRL of First Amendment Rights is civil rights violation? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Mind Control Cabal Terrorizing Phoenix, AZ ?
I found this anonymously posted article at the following URL: http://www.geocities.com:0080/CapitolHill/Lobby/2168/Phoenix.htm This information is well worth reading, IMHO. 9/4/00 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) MARtin F. ABErnathy Religious and Psychological Warfare Tactics in Phoenix, AZ -- -- How innocent people's lives are likely being ruined by "God's Chosen People" abusing Remote Neural Monitoring Technology in an attempt to create the "Perfect Utopian Society" or "Nanotopia". -- -- Are you familiar with the terms Nanotechnology and Biotechnology ? If not you should be. These two powerful weapons are being unleashed on an unaware population in an all out attempt to take over our country. Nanotechnology is the study of molecules or manipulation of matter on a molecular level. This includes computers and microchips. Biotechnology is the process by which sophisticated technology is combined with the manipulation of human behavior and body function. Remote Neural Monitoring is a process by which these new technologies are being used to control, monitor and manipulate human behavior on a massive scale utilizing supercomputers. Cellular phone frequencies, microwave radar and radio frequencies are likely being used to "connect" to the body's Bio-Electric Field, allowing for total around-the-clock surveillance of our thoughts, usually via satellite. Brain to brain links (linking your thoughts to your neighbors, or anyone else for that matter) are easily achieved with nanotechnology supercomputers capable of processing massive amounts of data in a few seconds. The National Security Agency in Ft. Meade and Bowie, MD as well as Raytheon's E-Systems in Dallas, TX and The Cray Supercomputer Research Centers in Minneapolis and Eagan, MN are major supercomputer sites within the United States that implement this surveillance on millions of citizens around our country and the world. DOMINT, COMINT and SIGINT are the main code names for the NSA's covert surveillance operations. This RNM procedure can create both brain to brain links and brain to computer links. In other words, along with supercomputers directly filling your brain with images and thoughts, there is the capability to create the illusion of mind reading abilities with the brain to brain links. Phoenix, AZ is a "technological mecca" where people are likely being used as "guinea pigs" by large defense contractors who work alone or in conjunction with The Department of Defense to test their latest behavior modification technology. People are being connected to these electromagnetic frequencies, their thoughts are being monitored and recorded and the people implementing this procedure basically have total control over their lives. Religious beliefs are being forced on people, jobs are being lost, crimes are being committed, privacy is being invaded and people are becoming addicted to drugs and losing their lives as a result of this psychological terrorism. People's innermost thoughts are being "broadcast" over these frequencies to others around them in an attempt to stress everyone out and bring people to their knees. What's worse is that artificial, repulsive ideas and images are being sent to people's minds as well, creating the perfect stress scenario. Imagine how you would feel knowing everyone around you was picking up on your thoughts, chances are you would try to think only neutral, positive things that would not offend anyone. With this technology, trying to do that is a losing battle since any type of image or idea that a supercomputer operator wishes to conjure up can be sent directly to the brain of the intended victim where it will be perceived by others as the victim's own thoughts. Please understand that your personality can be studied and all events you have witnessed in your life can be stored on their database, allowing them ample ammunition to be used to control you. They will use emotions such as love or anger against you to disrupt your life and your normal decision making process. Acts or thoughts you previously considered to be completely out of character for you can be slowly introduced into your mind in a clever attempt to "take you down" and cause to to lose your assets and appear unsavory. Perversion of all kinds that will cause an emotionally charged reaction from others is a common tactic such as thoughts relating to child molestation, etc. . . Sad that children have to be used by their own parents as weapons to gain money and power over others. Religious Organizations can easily abuse this procedure, telling any targeted subject that it is simply Satan and that they should quickly repent and allow the beliefs of the Religious Organization to completely domineer their lives. Judgement of elected officials and others can be influenced and changed
[CTRL] Fwd: Breatharian Cult
Independence Avenue An independent British view for the US Students urged to boycott 'Breatharian' cult lecture By Jack O'Sullivan, Scotland Correspondent 14 March 2000 The rector of Edinburgh University has warned students not to attend a lecture to be given by a New Age guru who says it is possible to live without eating and survive on air and light. Robin Harper, who is also a Green member of the Scottish Parliament, calls Ellen Greve dangerous and has issued his warning after a number of student suicides at the university. Ms Greve, an Australian also known as Jasmuheen, will lecture on her belief in "Breatharianism" on 5 April. She claims not to have eaten since 1993. Last year, Verity Linn, 49, a Scottish disciple of the "live on light" doctrine, died after apparently not drinking or eating for at least eight days. Ms Linn was the third person to have died after following the teachings of Breatharianism. Mr Harper, who has a degree in pastoral care, accused Ms Greve of preying on vulnerable and impressionable students. "She is a very dangerous woman and I am very worried about her visit," he said. "It is a strange decision to let her come and talk and it is fraught with difficulties. People have said this is an issue of free speech but that won't stop me standing outside and trying to warn people off." Mr Harper said he was not empowered to ban the lecture. "But I will ensure that student body will be there to stand outside and warn people off. "With 20,000 students at Edinburgh, there has to be one or two that might be taken in by her powers of persuasion." During her visit, Ms Greve is also expected to pay her respects at the Highland grave of Ms Linn, who lived at Findhorn on the Moray coast for 10 years before her death last year. The Findhorn Foundation, the respected educational and spiritual establishment of which Ms Linn was a member, said it was angered by her visit. During a European tour last year, Ms Greve was questioned about Ms Linn's death and challenged her critics for not instead focusing on the thousands of people who died each year from obesity. She said Ms Linn "did not follow my guidelines. She did not act responsibly". Ms Greve claims to be able to live on air and light alone. However, an attempt last year to test her capabilities ended in near disaster. The controlled experiment, held under tight security, ended after four days amid fears for Ms Greve's rapidly deteriorating health. She blamed the failure of the experiment on the stressful circumstances under which it was conducted rather than on her lack of food and water.
Re: [CTRL] Andrew D Basiago's phone call - 9/4/00
In a message dated 9/4/00 12:22:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but I think he is having breakdown and needs money.and that is my own personal opinion. Mine also, when he called in July, he mentioned carrying $100,000 in student loans. Om K A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] World Of The Strange Newsletter 9/4/00
from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:640183"World Of The Strange Newsletter 9/4/00/A - Subject: World Of The Strange Newsletter 9/4/00 From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED] /A (SHnSASSY1) Date: Mon, Sep 4, 2000 1:30 PM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] World Of The Strange Newsletter 9/4/00~~~ Your Sponsorship Can Be Running In This Spot-For More Information Contact Me At [EMAIL PROTECTED] Incident At Fort Benning By: John Vasquez Bruce Stephen Holms ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Timeless Voyager Press PO Box 6678 Santa Barbara, CA 93160 A HREF="http://www.timelessvoyager.com"http://www.timeless voyager.com/A 1-800-576-8463 **World of The Strange BB** A HREF="http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb78028"http://www. insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb78028/A Come to the best Message Board Around, you will find a host of articles ranging from conspiracies, UFOs, Aliens, Big Foot, Ghosts, Strange Creatures, other newsletters, and just plain conversation on the weird and strange, please join us. The Roswell Encyclopedia by: Kevin D. Randle, Ph.D Harper Collins Publishers 10 East 53rd Street New York, N.Y. 10022-5299 0-380-79853-0 Hope that everyone has a fantastic Holiday! Be Safe Be Careful! Main Web-Site: A HREF="http://www.worldofthestrange.com"http://www.worldofth estrange.com/A This Issue's Site: A HREF="http://www.worldofthestrange.com/Archives/090400.htm"http://www.worldof thestrange.com/Archives/090400.htm/A CONTENTS #1.UFO Event (s) Account of August 10, 1972 Seen By Randi L. Season (Randi T. Loftsgaarden) Reported Researched by: Brian Vike [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF="http://www.homestead.com/ufo3/ufo.html"http://www.homestead.com/ufo3 /ufo.html/A #2. Extracted from: The Soviet UFO Files/Paranormal Encounters behind the Iron Curtain. By Paul Stonehill Director of the Russian Ufology Center #3. The Green Man of Fingest by: Daphne Phillips Forwarded by: (Mystery Magazine)[EMAIL PROTECTED] #4. Mystery Chupacabras-Like Creature Slain in Nicaragua By Marianela Flores Vergara (Malpaisillo) A HREF="http://www.sightings.com/general3/chupa.htm"http://www.sightings.com /general3/chupa.htm/A #5. Chupacabra Killed - Corpse Found in Nicaragua - Photo By Marianela Flores Vergara (Malpaisillo) A HREF="http://www.sightings.com/general3/corpse.htm"http://www.sightings.co m/general3/corpse.htm/A #6. WOTS Excellence Award Winner Of The Month! Mark A. LeCuyer's Alien Astronomer "Exploring Our Universe" A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/"http://www.geociti es.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583//A Mark A. LeCuyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] #7. Uh-Monsters Have Rights Too! World's Largest Animal Rights Organization Asks Norway's Minister of the Environment to Cancel Plans to Capture Rare Animal in Seljord Lake A HREF="http://www.peta-online.org/g4/news/800/800seljordltr.html"http://www .peta-online.org/g4/news/800/800seljordltr.html/A #8. Is There a Landing Strip on The Moon? A HREF="http://cassiopaea.org/images/landstrip.jpg"http://cassiopaea.org/ima ges/landstrip.jpg/A Forwarded by: DK Nihoa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sponsorship being taken for the "WOTS" Newsletter a Donation of a Book is ONLY the Cost! Contact me for Details! ~Louise A. Lowry~ ICQ#86017775 "World Of The Strange Weekly Newsletter" Main Web Site: A HREF="http://www.worldofthestrange.com"http://www.worldofth estrange.com/A WOTS Message Board: A HREF="http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb78028"http://www.ins idetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb78028/A WOTS Subscription: A HREF="http://www.egroups.com/group/WorldOfTheStrange"ht tp://www.egroups.com/group/WorldOfTheStrange/A To subscribe to WOTS Newsletter, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para-Discussion List: A HREF="http://www.egroups.com/group/para-discuss"http ://www.egroups.com/group/para-discuss/A To subscribe to this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All Articles and Comments Are Welcomed! E-mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Tis Strange-but true; For truth is always strange; Stranger than fiction!" - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia
[CTRL] Recent quake, blue flashes, weird vibes
from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:640062"Recent quake, blue flashes, weird vibes /A - Subject: Recent quake, blue flashes, weird vibes From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED] /A (Phikent) Date: Sun, Sep 3, 2000 9:38 PM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recent quake, blue flashes, weird vibes RECENT QUAKE: 5.2 2000/09/03 01:36:30 38.377N 122.414W 9.4 5 km ( 3 mi) WSW of Yountville, CA Date: 9/3/00 2:10:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time Hi. Found the following in a Reuters story about the 5.2 earthquake in Napa County. The full story is at: A HREF="http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2903/ts/quake_california_dc_3.html" http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2903/ts/quake_california_dc_3.html/A "I woke up and jumped out of bed and screamed,'' one woman told a reporter. "I looked out my window and just [saw] blue flashes of light all over the place. '' Maybe just downed power lines...or? ARCHIVES: [China Lake Quakes] "I'll call a friend and check it out...thanks for the update...p.s. there are some RF weapons being tested out there...pretty nasty and unpredictable. . .we air tested them but were restricted from testing below 25,000 ft. due to unknown consequences...the air tests cause topical damage in higher terrain." ARCHIVES: [Orange County, CA] BULLETIN BOARD, Saturday, 16 October 1999, at 5:08 a.m.: About two hours ago, I woke up right before an earthquake at about 2:45 a.m. PDT in Orange County, California. While the shaking was subsiding, there was this HUGE flash of blue light from the sky, right above my place. ARCHIVES: A Moscow newspaper reports that Russian scientists tried to harness earthquakes as a means of mass destruction, and the research continued under the new Russian government long after the Soviet Union collapsed. The Moscow News called it 'Earthquakes Made To Order.' In a detailed article, the newspaper says research of the so-called tectonic weapons began under the Communists in the 1970s. By late 1987, the Soviet government ordered a major effort to develop such a weapon. It was code-named Project Mercury and Project Vulcan, and involved almost two dozen major scientific and manufacturing centers. The theory was that underground nuclear explosions could trigger earthquakes far from the site of the original blast. Researchers speculated the destructive force released would be many times greater than the nuclear blast, that it could be directed toward any point on earth and that there was no way to guard against it. BEARDEN: One of the greatest man-induced dangers we face as a planet today is the development of electromagnetic frequencies to be used as wave warfare. In April of 1997 Secretary of Defense William Cohen admitted he was concerned about threats of terrorism with weapons that can cause earthquakes and trigger volcanoes. Date: 9/3/00 6:29:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time This is a little late being sent--first time sending you any info. Last Monday Aug 28 around 2:00 p.m. huge black clouds popped up in the High Desert, Antelope Valley, CA. Very little rain fell but after reading about the horizontal lightning reported by another reader--just had to add my two cents. I'm fascinated by lightning and was amazed when I watched the lightning go straight across the sky instead of the zigzag up and down. Told my daughter--something strange is going on--this is not normal lightning. RIGHT? Have also heard the sound of multiple jets but nary one to be seen. I live approximately 15 miles or so from Edwards Airforce Base SHIVA FIRE MISSION, DIRECTED ENERGY, DOD Develop, integrate, and transition science and technology for Directed Energy to include high power microwaves, lasers, adaptive optics, imaging and effects to assure the preeminence of U.S. in air and space. Full story and links: CyberSpace ORBIT A HREF="http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com"http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/A A HREF="http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/frontpage.html"http://www.cyberspaceo rbit.com/frontpage.html/A Kent Steadman - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives
Re: [CTRL] Recent quake, blue flashes, weird vibes
Well.Beardon fears for artificial earthquakes; it is documented in this one book, this it was Footsteps of Orpheus, that USA pulled off a minor earthquake out west, possibily by Rocky Mountains, and it backfired on them. Might add.I always belived Mt. Helene was induced to go off.full of rare gems, I guessfor they sell this beautiful stone that looks like turqoise colored saphire on of all places, Home Shopping; but how about this - Mel Fischers gold was also sold on this show at one time Mt. Helen was keyed to bible code and for a clue look at Psalm 46 times to that one..note the Chariots of Fire at the End, and the "There Is A River"...when Mt. Helene went off I was reading Cayce's "There Is A River"...coincidence, or not...wouldn't you know Harry Truman lost his life on that one. This is psalm that the astronauts quoted when Challenger when down.God Set Their Chariots on Fire.Chariots of Fire, was name of Dodi Fayed's moviethis is psalm that holds the Shakespeare code..mystical psalm, but those in the know know what is up. SoHoward Hughes years ago flew Nicaragua day before quake hit..still think that guy was dead for long long time and really on ice.what to do with a legend.wwtch out Bill Gates and Ted Turner. Mt. Helene exploded May 18...very interesting day, May 18.. So these acts no longer acts of GOD so why shuld I higher insurance and insurance companies go busto all over USA? One big thing they want to divert water now to Mexico and it will be our water.CFR has their men in but stilll only hold congress hostage with blackmail. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] transcription of conference presentation on mind control
Hi ! Below please find a URL for Annie McKenna's â99 Conference Presentation Sincerely, Neil PS This may be very triggering for survivors of abuse and mind control. http://members.aol.com/smartnews/am99.htm This transcript is from a presentation by Annie McKenna at The Second Annual Ritual Abuse, Secretive Organizations and Mind Control Conference, August 14 â 15, 1999 at the DoubleTree Hotel in Windsor Locks, CT. Some of the topics discussed may be triggering. The conference is educational and not intended as therapy or treatment. All accusations are alleged. Our providing the information below does not necessarily constitute our endorsement of it. Annie McKenna will speak about "Healing from the Horror: What Has Worked for Me." She is an alleged survivor of Project Monarch; the government mind control program involving the military, various intelligence agencies and the Nazis ushered into the US under Operation Paperclip. Project Monarch was used to create multiple personalities. She owes her rapid healing and integration process to a strong, cooperative system and scrapbook therapy. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] And It's 5,6,7,8 ...
Another one for the modern day 'Crusaders'. I guess the real question becomes, "Is escalation possible only unilaterally?" This was also a question in VietNam, the answer to which has become all too clear. Time, again, will tell. AER From http://www.independent.co.uk/argument/Regular_columnists/Joan_Smith/smith030900. shtml }}}Begin The President of hypocrites Clinton's intervention in Colombia's drugs war is high risk. It won't help the chaotic country and it could backfire on the US By Joan Smith 3 September 2000 I suppose there are bigger hypocrites than Bill Clinton, but their names escape me for the moment. The US President made a flying visit to Colombia last week, after assuring the population in a video broadcast that the US has no military objective in their country. I'm sorry? Wasn't he about to hand over $1.3bn some £900m in mostly military aid to Colombia's President Andres Pastrana? Well, yes, but you would barely know it from Mr Clinton's trademark blend of personal anecdote and stomach-churning sentimentality. He insisted he was merely providing assist- ance in a campaign against drugs led by the Colombian government, before going on to salute ordinary people who are marching for peace, for justice, for the quiet miracle of a normal life. The compliment was not whole-heartedly returned. Bomb-making equipment was found in Cartagena, the Caribbean port where Mr Clinton spent precisely eight hours, well away from the capital, Bogota, and the southern provinces which the government has ceded to drug traffickers and left-wing guerrillas. Even so, Mr Clinton's brief presence required protection from no fewer than 5,000 soldiers and police, 350 US Secret Service agents, helicopter gunships and several navy patrol boats. Six people, including three children, died in guerrilla attacks apparently prompted by the visit, and eight soldiers were injured. Protesters marched in Bogota, signalling that Mr Clinton's assurance that he wanted to make life better for people had not been universally believed. With very good reason. The Colombian military, whose involvement with paramilitary death squads is admitted even by its own government, is about to receive 60 helicopters and training for two special army battalions. At present, they do not have enough helicopter pilots or hangars, but their job will be to protect police as they attempt to destroy coca plantations. This is not a task for which Colombians have shown much aptitude; in the decade since fumigation of coca crops began, according to one recent calculation, annual production has risen by more than 750 per cent. Since there is no meaningful distinction between members of drugs cartels and the two main guerrilla groups, the US military is taking sides in a long- running civil war which is set to become, Mr Clinton's harshest critics say, another Vietnam. The comparison is fuelled by the fact that the chief architect of Plan Colombia, as it is called, is the US's drugs tsar Barry McCaffrey, a decorated Vietnam veteran whose own record in the immediate aftermath of the Gulf War has come under hostile scrutiny. (In March 1991, General McCaffrey ordered an attack on retreating Iraqi soldiers which turned, in his words, into "one of the most astounding scenes of destruction I have ever participated in". Eye-witnesses have questioned whether the Iraqis began shooting first, as McCaffrey claimed.) * Another close parallel is the Reagan administration's military aid to the government of El Salvador and the opposition Contras in Nicaragua. Mr Clinton may be a Democrat but, like Mr Reagan, he has invoked national security in waiving human-rights conditions attached to military aid by Congress an admission that the war on drugs is more important than anything else, including murder. According to Human Rights Watch, there is "detailed, compelling and abundant evidence" of the Colombian army's connections with paramilitary death squads; half of its 18 brigades have been linked to these groups, including those operating in areas which are about to get US assistance. Mr Clinton visited a law centre in Cartagena last week and posed in a silly hat for photographers before scuttling back to Washington. The US intervention leaves ordinary Colombians, who face a human-rights crisis of "alarming proportions" according to Amnesty International, acutely vulnerable in a civil war which is almost certainly about to intensify. The Colombian military is as incompetent as it is brutal; two weeks ago, an army patrol mistook a party of schoolchildren for rebels, opened fire and killed six. Mr Clinton has not said what the US government will do if its military advisers are attacked in rebel- controlled areas. But the spectre of US involvement in a protracted jungle war in South America is belatedly setting off alarm bells in Washington. Why should Mr Clinton take any notice? This most shameless of US presidents will be out of office in four months, leaving
Re: [CTRL] Andrew D Basiago's phone call - 9/4/00
Hey Nessie, What great practical advice. I want you on my side in any court battle I may ever have . . . Jenny Decker - Original Message - From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Andrew D Basiago's phone call - 9/4/00 [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Que? Who cares, but let us all keep an eye out. Immediately call the police and file a complaint. Get a restraining order against this guy. That way you'll save a lot of money on your legal defense if he actually comes to your house later and you have to shoot him. You'll still need a lawyer, but you wont need Johnny Cochran. Also, it always looks better if the body falls inside the house. So if he comes through the door or window, let him. Then shoot. Then call the police immediately. Do NOT handle the body or his weapon. It's best to kill him with the first shot because a coup de grace sometimes gets dicey in court. I recommend a 12 guage. You wont need a second shot. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WND: The Supreme Court Scam..Harry Browne
The Supreme Court Scam
© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com
For the past year, Republicans have been trying to explain to us
small-government advocates why we should vote for George W. Bush.
But since Mr. Bush has no plans to reduce government or improve
our lives in any significant way, Republicans have had only one
argument: he isn't Al Gore. ("You don't want Al Gore in the White
House, do you?") But after seeing the Republican convention --
with its theme, "big government can be compassionate government"
-- it turns out that George Bush is Al Gore after all.
Since George Bush loves big government as much as Al Gore does,
Republicans have had to find another reason for us to choose Bush
over Gore. So they remind us that the next President may select
as many as three or four new Supreme Court judges. "Do you want
Al Gore choosing those judges?" they ask. The Supreme Court is a
favorite Republican whipping boy. They blame the court for many
of today's ills -- hoping we'll ignore the role of the
big-spending Reagan and Bush administrations and the
pork-obsessed, over-regulating, power-hungry Republican Congress.
They neglect to mention that Republican presidents appointed
seven of the nine judges on the court they love so much to hate.
They expect us to jump at the chance to vote for a president who
will undoubtedly appoint more judges like Anthony Kennedy, Sandra
Day O'Connor, and David Souter. And they ignore the fact that
even their favorite judges -- Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia
-- often ignore the plain meaning of the Constitution in an
effort to impose their own values on America.
Picking a Supreme Court judge.
We have bad Supreme Court judges because bad presidents have
chosen them. And the court won't be improved by electing another
big-government president -- whether his name is Al Gore or George
Bush.
Every modern Supreme Court justice decides constitutional
questions by referring to something other than the plain language
of the Constitution. They invoke "original intent," a "living
Constitution," "penumbras," "the greater good," or the
"compelling interest" of government. In so doing, they
demonstrate that they're unqualified to sit on the Supreme Court.
What should be the proper qualifications of a Supreme Court
judge? Should the president apply a litmus test in choosing
nominees? Yes, he should. If I become president, I will ask six
simple questions of any potential judge.
The First Amendment says, Congress shall make no law respecting
an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or
the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition
the Government for a redress of grievances. And yet, when
Congress or a legislature makes a law censoring the Internet,
restricting political advocacy, prohibiting cigarette advertising
on TV, or barring hate speech, the judges don't strike it down
automatically. They deliberate to determine whether the
government has a "compelling interest" in regulating speech or
the press. But the First Amendment says, "Congress shall make no
law. ..." It doesn't speak of the government's "compelling
interest" or provide for any exceptions or qualifications. It
says very simply, "Congress shall make no law. ..." No law. So
the first question I would pose to any potential Supreme Court
judge is:
1. Can you read? If the prospect can pass a reading test, we can
move on to the second question:
2. What do the words "Congress shall make no law" mean? The
Second Amendment says: A well regulated Militia, being necessary
to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep
and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Again, no exceptions or
qualifications are given. So my next question is:
3. What do the words "shall not be infringed" mean? And on from
there:
4. Do the thousands of gun laws now on the books infringe in any
way whatsoever on the "right of the people to keep and bear
arms"? The Ninth Amendment says: The enumeration in the
Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny
or disparage others retained by the people. Nowhere in the
Constitution is the government given the power to take away your
right to privacy, your right to defend yourself, your right to
keep your property, your right to choose your own retirement
program, or in fact any other right. So my next question is:
5. What rights do the people no longer have, and where in the
Constitution were those rights taken from the people? The 10th
Amendment says: The powers not delegated to the United States by
the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are
reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. My final
question will be:
6. Where in the Constitution was it delegated to the United
States government the power to interfere in education, health
care, law enforcement, welfare, charity, corporate welfare, or
any of the many other areas that form a part of today's
overbearing,
[CTRL] Flame Out
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Air Force Losing Altitude?
Bush/Cheney Challenge to Gore/Lieberman on military readiness pops loose
documents showing USAF not up to snuff readiness shockingly down!
9/4/00 - The issue of U.S. military readiness has become a hot political topic
since Republican presidential contender George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, the GOP
vice presidential running mate, began battling about it in recent speeches.
Vice President Al Gore and outgoing commander-in-chief Bill Clinton have denied
readiness is at all time lows or that under their watch the overall military
readiness has declined.
Joe Lieberman, Gores running mate, has suggested its unpatriotic of Bush and
Cheney to raise the issue of military readiness notwithstanding the fact that
even those within the military openly talk about the issue with growing
frustration.
Consider a set of documents obtained by Insight that show Air Force readiness
is shockingly down in two major categories: overall combat and combat commands
stateside.
According to the documents, used recently at the Pentagon in closed-door
briefings that include rank-and-file airmen, overall readiness for the Air
Force is down 24 percent from 91 percent in January 1996 to 67 percent in June
2000.
Equally discouraging for top brass is that, for air combat command stateside,
active readiness is down a whopping 42 percent, from 86 percent in January 1996
to a disturbing 44 percent in June 2000.
Moreover, according to the documents obtained by Insight, the average age of
the total Air Force fleet is about 23.5 years, while for fighters the average
age is about 19 years. "These numbers show you we are in trouble," says a high-
ranking Air Force officer who reviewed the briefing papers.
"This is not new and we dont want to hide such information from the public but
were being told to keep our traps shut," the Air Force officer tells Insight.
"Congress has known about this for quite some time. The problem is that nobody
seems to care."
By: Paul M. Rodriguez
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Or, do some candidates bathe extensively in North African waters, drawn from
Da Nile? Pal Joey seems to have found that part of the formula for
globalisation is parity among military forces. As the U.S. outfought its
"allies" of the Kosovariac Combat Unity Force (NEATO, i.e.), the only way for
them to save face is bring the Americans down to their level, eh, what?
AER
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Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960)
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking
new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust
The libertarian therefore considers one of his prime educational
tasks is to spread the demystification and desanctification of the
State among its hapless subjects. His task is to demonstrate
repeatedly and in depth that not only the emperor but even the
"democratic" State has no clothes; that all governments subsist
by exploitive rule over the public; and that such rule is the reverse
of objective necessity. He strives to show that the existence of
taxation and the State necessarily sets up a class division between
the exploiting rulers and the exploited ruled. He seeks to show that
the task of the court intellectuals who have always supported the State
has ever been to weave mystification in order to induce the public to
accept State rule and that these intellectuals obtain, in return, a
share in the power and pelf extracted by the rulers from their deluded
subjects.
[[For a New Liberty: The Libertarian Manifesto, Murray N. Rothbard,
Fox Wilkes, 1973, 1978, p. 25]]
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[CTRL] Silk Purse From A Sow's Ear
?Here's what $$$Billions of cooperation and understanding (Weimarisation, i.e.) get you, you taxpayers. AER From http://www.theglobeandmail.com/gam/International/2904/USPYYN.html }}Begin Moscow denounces U.S. threat in spy flap GEOFFREY YORK Moscow Bureau Monday, September 4, 2000 Moscow -- A bitter dispute over an alleged American spy is fuelling new tensions between Moscow and Washington, culminating in an extraordinary U.S. threat of economic pressure against Russia. Russian politicians are angrily accusing Washington of "blackmail" for its threat to discourage Americans from travelling to Russia unless the Kremlin frees Edmond Pope from a Moscow jail. On the weekend, parliamentary speaker Gennady Seleznyov warned the United States not to interfere in the charges against Mr. Pope. "If Pope's guilt is proven, then he will have to answer before the law," he said. In an echo of Cold War tactics, some Russian analysts say the Kremlin could try to swap Mr. Pope for convicted spy Aldrich Ames. Mr. Ames is a former Central Intelligence Agency officer who is serving a life prison term in the United States for passing secrets to the former Soviet Union's secret service from 1985 to 1993. The controversy also is casting a shadow over a planned meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and U.S. President Bill Clinton during a United Nations summit in New York later this week. It coincides with another surge in anti-Western rhetoric from Russian politicians and military leaders, many of whom claim that a Western submarine caused the sinking of a Russian nuclear submarine and the deaths of 118 crewmen last month. The spy dispute began in April when Russia's Federal Security Services (FSB), the successor to the Soviet KGB, arrested Mr. Pope on espionage charges. They accused him of covertly meeting Russian scientists and trying to buy secret torpedo technology. Mr. Pope, 54, is a businessman and retired U.S. naval intelligence officer who travelled often to Russia and had created two private companies to acquire Russian marine technologies for commercial uses in the West. After almost five months in the infamous Lefortovo Prison, where political prisoners and foreign spies are traditionally kept, Mr. Pope is said to be weak and in deteriorating health. His wife, who visited him last week, said he has lost 30 pounds and is not getting proper treatment for a thyroid condition and a rare form of bone cancer that is in remission but needs constant monitoring. He faces a 20-year prison term if he is convicted on the espionage charges. No trial date has been set, although the FSB says it has completed its investigation. The United States has repeatedly proclaimed Mr. Pope's innocence, and more than 140 members of Congress have demanded his release from prison. In an unusual pressure tactic, Washington escalated its campaign by threatening to issue a formal warning about travel to Russia. It would discourage Americans from visiting Russia, damaging tourism and investment. Washington argues that the jailing of Mr. Pope demonstrates that other Americans might not be safe in Russia. "We're examining the implications of this [case] for other Americans, business people who might travel to Russia, and we are looking at the consular information that we provide," U.S. State Department spokesman Richard Boucher told reporters. The Russian government has reacted with outrage to the U.S. threat, calling it an "especially worrying" development. "Attempts to put pressure on the investigating and judicial bodies do not add to the prestige of the United States," the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a terse statement. "What we are witnessing is a new manifestation of double standards. The U.S. authorities show no lenience to people convicted on similar charges inside the United States, whatever the state of their health, but expect other countries to use a different approach." Sergei Shishkarev, deputy chairman of the foreign affairs committee of the lower house of the Russian parliament, termed the U.S. threat "open blackmail" against Russia. "It's time for the Americans to learn to lose with dignity," he told a Russian news agency. The Russian media also have lashed back at Washington, denouncing the threat as an unprecedented case of "hard-line pressure" by the U.S. administration, probably motivated by the politics of the U.S. election season this fall. "Russia has in effect been issued with an ultimatum: either Pope is freed or business contacts are curtailed," the daily newspaper Kommersant commented. "People at the Russian Foreign Ministry could not remember a case where the Americans had raised an ordinary spy scandal to such a high level." It said the Kremlin is in a dilemma because it does not want a quarrel with Washington, yet it also does not want to appear to be yielding to U.S.
[CTRL] NYT: Clymer: And the Winner Is Gore
From: http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/090400wh-gore2.html September 4, 2000 And the Winner Is Gore, if They Got the Math Right By ADAM CLYMER WASHINGTON, Sept. 3 -- For many people who live here, presidential politics is an exciting and uncertain enterprise, where the fate of an ideological principle or, more important, a career, may hang on a slip in a debate or a brilliant 30-second commercial. But for seven visitors seeking to impose a precision and predictability on political life that even those working in its midst cannot discern, Vice President Al Gore has already beaten Gov. George W. Bush of Texas -- sort of. Those seven political scientists, among the more than 2,000 who gathered here this weekend for the 96th annual meeting of the American Political Science Association, have precise mathematical formulas that, if taken at face value, mean that the candidates, their handlers and the press should take the next nine weeks off. Then, the day after Election Day, everyone could look up to see whether Mr. Gore's winning percentage of the two-party vote was the 52.8 forecast by James E. Campbell of the State University of New York at Buffalo, the 60.3 expected by Thomas M. Holbrook of the University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, or something between. The political scientists presented their formulas at a panel on Thursday. The predictions of six of the formulas depend heavily on the health of the economy, by one measure or another, and on presidential popularity or the candidates' standings in Labor Day polls. The seventh, offered by Helmut Norpoth of the State University of New York at Stony Brook, depends on how the nominee of the incumbent party did in the New Hampshire primary. Mr. Norpoth's formula, which allows a forecast as soon as the incumbent party's nominee is clear (in March this year), gave Mr. Gore 55 percent. At one level, the formulas reflect the continuing tendency of political science to seek numerical precision by relating disparate facts: comparing roll call votes with House re-election rates, for example, or determining the frequency of pork-barrel spending by senators of different parties. In recent decades, one trend in political science as a discipline has been a struggle to seem as precise as physics, with equations as the tool. But at another level, these formulas reflect an underlying advantage for the Gore campaign, an economics-based edge that these students of past elections say it will take major efforts by one or both campaigns to overcome. Alan Abramowitz of Emory University said the data reflected the assumption that presidential elections are "largely a reflection on the performance of the incumbent president and the state of the economy." But his formula and some of the others also include a discount when a party is seeking to hold the White House for a third term or more. That is one reason why despite President Clinton's high poll ratings and a booming economy, Mr. Abramowitz's forecast was toward the lower end of the range, expecting Mr. Gore to get 53.2 percent. Mr. Holbrook said his formula and the others assumed that "both candidates will run pretty good campaigns." In 1988, he acknowledged, Governor Bush's father outperformed the predictions because his opponent, Gov. Michael S. Dukakis of Massachusetts, ran a poor general election campaign. Mr. Campbell, the lone acknowledged Republican on the panel, said that in past elections "glitches and gaffes" had accounted for no more than one or two percentage points. "Most of us are predicting that the fundamentals will shift the campaign so that it's pretty remote" that Mr. Bush will win, he said. Elsewhere at the meeting, the panelists' colleagues were treating the election as something still worth studying. One group listened while producers of television commercials discounted their own importance. Ray Strother, a Democratic media consultant, said that political advertisements often "don't work anymore." Noting that they are shown much more frequently than they were 30 years ago, he asked, "If ads are better, why do we have to show them three times more often to make them work?" At another session, three Rutgers University political scientists examined the press coverage of Elizabeth Dole's campaign for the Republican nomination. Caroline Heldman, Susan J. Carroll and Stephanie Olson argued that "the repeated references to Bob Dole in article after article may have subtly undermined her independent stature as a presidential candidate in the minds of voters." But the forecasters, taking comfort in their unanimity of expected result, were sticking by what the panel's chairman, James C. Garand of Louisiana State University, admitted some colleagues sneered at as "recreational political science." As Christopher Wiezien of the University of Houston, with a 55.2 percent forecast for Mr. Gore, observed, "He still might lose, but based on our analysis, it's not very likely."
[CTRL] 50,000 New Cell Phone Towers In RURAL Areas !!
http://www.sightings.com/general3/dsff.htm = 50,000 New Cell Phone Towers For America's Wilderness Areas By Alex Beam - Boston Globe Staff The Boston Globe (8-30-00 pg F1) Here is a different kind of summer hiking story: Not so long ago a group of friends and I were ascending Mount Kearsarge, a not particularly challenging 2,900-foot peak in central New Hampshire. It was rainy and foggy. We had a bunch of children with us and were planning to picnic on the summit, which was obscured from view. Imagine our surprise when we discovered who had arrived there first -- US Cellular Corp., with a 180-foot-tall cellphone antenna tower. The otherworldly forest of high-tech geegaws was footed firmly in concrete blocks, otherwise we might have been tempted to cut it down. The story of what happened to Mount Kearsarge is quite astonishing, and it is one that is being repeated all around the country. The cellphone industry has wired most urban areas and the nation's most-traveled highways so that Muffy always can reach husband, Ralph, in his Jeep Explorer and remind him to bring home that fresh arugula for supper. Now the industry is adding 50,000 new sites to "fill in" the uncovered tracts, which is why cellphone towers are becoming a common sight in state parks and wilderness areas. Mountaintops all over New England are fair game. In Massachusetts, the Department of Environmental Management has leased out 15 of its summit fire towers for cellular transmissions. On Mount Mansfield, Vermont's highest peak, a summit trail has been closed for several years because of excessive microwave radiation from a communications tower. When it comes to siting one of these ungainly monsters, underhanded behavior is the order of the day. The Society for the Protection of New Hampshire Forests deeded the Kearsarge mountaintop to the state "upon the express condition that the state will maintain said tract as a forestry and recreation reservation for public use and benefit." But in 1997, in the proverbial dead of night, New Hampshire's Department of Resources and Economic Development let US Cellular throw up its gargantuan tower. One state bureaucrat counseled that the tower be built without "a general public notice and notification." Soon after the tower went up, 1,000 local residents petitioned Gore administration wannabe Governor Jeanne Shaheen for its removal. She blew them off. Concord Monitor columnist John Skow, who lives near Kearsarge, calls the tower "a huge, glittering one-finger salute from business greedsters and our own state officials." (An un-gelded columnist at a serious American newspaper? That's a story in itself) Two citizens groups and the SPNHF itself have filed lawsuits seeking to tear down the tower. They've lost in lower courts, and the impeachment-depleted New Hampshire Supreme Court is in no condition to hear their appeals. Prodded by the Federal Communications Commission, the telecom industry last year agreed to inform the Appalachian Trail Conference when it planned to site a tower within a mile of the historic Georgia-to-Maine hiking path. But at least seven such towers have been sited, and only one was reported to the ATC. "There is a legal document requiring notification, but the industry associations are not getting the word out," says David Reus of the ATC. Thanks to the Republican Congress and the telecom-friendly Clinton Administration, cell tower opponents hardly have a leg on which to stand. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 says local authorities can review, but not reject, cellphone tower proposals -- quite a dandy present for the wireless industry. So far, attempts to strengthen local autonomy in tower siting have failed. Vermont Senator Patrick Leahy and Representative James Jeffords proposed legislation in Congress that died. The Massachusetts Legislature passed a similar bill that was not enacted. A proposed moratorium on the development of Mount Kearsarge languishes in the New Hampshire Legislature. The broad anti-community wording of the Telecom Act has provided a field day for lawyers, and suits opposing cell towers have sprung up in almost every jurisdiction in America. But no precedent-setting case has yet made its way to the Supreme Court. Meanwhile, the towers keep going up. "They really are changing these mountaintops," says Eleanor Tillinghast, an environmental activist in the town of Mount Washington. "And once they change, they're changed forever." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Bulgaria Under USA Yoke
Michael Pugliese wrote: Jela, your friend, Jared Israel publishes this racist, Buchanan supporter, Bob Djurdjevic and Bob returns the favor by publishing him. What filth. Michael Pugliese Dear Michael P., Bob Djurdjevic is a scumbag of biblical proportions. He is definitely a religious bigot. I know this because I took him on on these very issues. He is everything that's wrong with the religious right. And that's saying a lot. During the war against Yugoslavia in Kosovo I fed him information from Nurev. I don't regret doing it because it served the greater good of trying to stop an imperial war by the NWO. I was then, and am now pro Serb. If you are familiar with my postings, then you know I don't tolerate racists and religious fools. BD is essentially a religious fascist. There are among the Serbs such people just as there are fascist types everywhere. During WWII the fascist Serbs helped Hitler. They were quickly overthrown by the non fascist Serbs who were the only large group of Christians to defend their Jews with the sure knowledge that they would face the wrath of Hitler. These are not racists. The article below is misleading in how it portrays Serbs and Albanians. The Albanians started a secessionist movement and faced vicious elements of the Serb military. The stories about Serb atrocities ARE LIES! And that has been proven quite unambiguously since they were used to dupe stupid Liberals into a vicious war. This is NOT to say that horrors were not committed by elements of the Secret Police and the military. But this was war. One can not paint Serb dominated Yugoslavia as racist. Yugoslavia was the BEST INTEGRATED MULTICULTURAL country in Europe. If Albania, together with the CIA and German Secret Service trained, paid, and armed the Yugoslav Albanians to destabilize Yugoslavia, why the hell should they treat that population with kid gloves? Who is responsible here? The Kosovar Albanians simply wanted to take over part of someone else's country. No nation state tolerates this. And none needs to. So in conclusion, don't confuse pigs like Bob Djurdjevic with the other Serbs. He used to be a full tilt gung ho American Patriot before America attacked and destroyed his ethnic homeland. It was pretty funny to see how quickly the worm can turn. People need to be VERY, VERY careful about the so called atrocities that the Serbs are accused of. Almost all have panned out to be bullshit. Joshua2 http://www.haverford.edu/relg/sells/reports/muttamericabelgrade.htm "Mutt" America, The Religio-Racist Right, and Genocide in the Balkans Michael Sells July 8, 1999 In Illinois and Indiana, a racist goes on a terror spree, shooting blacks, Jews, and Asians in a declared effort to free White, Christian America from the "mud people" (non-white, non-Christian peoples). In Kosovo, peacekeepers are coming across the horror of the wells: wells in which the bodies of Kosovar Albanian women and girls, who had been held, raped for days or weeks, and tortured by Serb police and paramilitaries, had been thrown. In some cases, forensics experts have shown that the victims were alive when then were thrown into the wells and either drowned or were killed after grenades were thrown in on top of them. The numbers of atrocity sites in Kosovo run into many hundreds, perhaps thousands, and the war-crimes investigators can only selectively choose certain sites. This is the continuation of a campaign of "ethnic cleansing" that began in 1992 in Bosnia and lasted in that country for three years. In the areas controlled by the Serbian army every mosque and every trace of Bosnian Muslim civilization was eradicated, including hundreds of mosques and monuments and manuscripts dating to the 15th and 16th century and recognized as masterworks of southeast european architecture and heritage. Those responsible for such atrocities have ingested one of the most virulent forms of racial and religious bigotry I have ever investigated, an ideology that equates both Bosnian Muslims and Kosovar Albanians with Christ-killers, race-traitors, and genetic deformation. I have spent years studying this this ideology of ethnic and religious extermination and how it is based on the manipulation of the mythology of Kosovo /1/. While anyone with a sense of humanity understands that these two incidents, in Kosovo and in the American mid-west, are intimately related, and that any murder of a person out of ethnic or religious bigotry is a murder of all humanity, the ties between U.S. racist and Christianist groups (those that believe the U.S. is by nature and must always remain a Christian state) and the Belgrade proponents of "ethnic cleansing" are now become increasingly strong. In the U.S., supporters of Serb nationalist "ethnic cleansers" are writing that the effort to liberate White, Christian America from the the "browning of America" are like the
Re: [CTRL] Buckley backs off
flw wrote: flw wrote: What a gigantic moron you are Cliff if your understanding of the NWO leads you to believe that William F. Buckley is a communist. You don't have a clue pal. Joshua2 It is childish to think there is any difference between the Corporate Capitalist Elite and the Party Elite. flw J2 writes in part: "There is a huge difference. The difference is in the systems the elites use to get power and wealth. Buckley is a Capitalist elitist. Communism is his nemesis. Stalin was a Communist elitist. Capitalism was his nemesis. Their allegiance to their systems is due to the fact that they are able to extract power and wealth through the systems they operate in." "What's the same, is their elitism." You celebrate form over substance. The Captalist / Socialist goal is political and financial control through manipulation and expansion of the police power of the State. There are merely superficial differences regarding the means to this ultimate end. The only difference between a Rockefeller, Hitler, or Stalin is that the tyranny and meglomania is more transparent in the latter two. Picking sides between "capitalism" and "socialism" is like deciding what side of the road you are marching in a two column army...the same army marching in the same direction. Only dupes and foolish romantics fail to understand this. flw And what kind of people think they will do away with the State? Internationalists like the NWO are one, but they want to replace it with a one world State. Libertarians are another, but they are irrelevent. Anarchists are another, but they are unrealistic. Who is the fool and romantic? Show me where in history social organization gets smaller and goes backwards voluntarily. The State is not the problem. Elites are the problem. Today, Capitalist Elites are the biggest problem. Either they control the State, or we control the State. The Constitution says that we get to control the State. We've been through this before flw. We agree on many things. You persist in the illusion that the State will go away. It will not. But I always had the feeling that you avoid the issue of Capitalism. So let me ask you straight up. Is it good. Or is it bad. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Give up guns, or go to war? What do you think?
nessie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Whose conservative estimate? The NRA's? Mine. It is, admittedly, a difficult thing to estimate. Gun ownership is a lot like sex and drugs. Some people lie about it. Even more simply omit the truth, or part of the truth. So it's impossible to get an absolutely correct figure. An even more conservative estimate than mine can be found at: http://www.ncjrs.org/txtfiles/165476.txt This study says 44 million. It was done by phone. The true figure is undoubtedly higher. How much higher is impossible to ascertain. But for the sake of argument, let's pretend that 44 million is the correct figure. OK. Now you tell me: How many people are in law enforcement and the military combined? How many of them are combat troops and active duty beat cops (as opposed to cooks, drivers and desk jockeys)? How many of those can be counted on to be loyal to their commanders and not to the Constitution they swore to protect? You can ask these questions about any army and police force in the world. The military is always smaller than the population. So what? The military are trained to deal with this. The 44 mil gun owners are not disciplined, not organized, not all men of fighting age or ability, and are surely not all willing to die for that stupid second amendment. There will not be an uprising to defend gun owners. Fuck em. Let them shoot it out with the military. I think most Americans will take this attitude. I know I will. Look to Waco as an example of what most Americans will do. This last question is the most important. Personally, I think the Constitution is a meaningless scrap of paper that the plutocrats use to deceive us into thinking we are ruled by laws and not by plutocrats. I could not agree with you more. And the proof is that only Plutocrats wrote it. Most people in the military and in law enforcement feel differently. How many of them feel how differently remains to be seen. They do what they are told. Always have, always will. When told to shoot down the veterans of a previous war, they did it. When told to shoot down unarmed civilian workers striking Ford. They did it. They don't think. They do what they are told. That is their function. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Microsoft Word Documents that Phone Home
=== Document Web Bugs http://www.privacyfoundation.org/education/docbug.html Microsoft Word Documents that "Phone Home" Richard M. Smith, Chief Technology Officer, Privacy Foundation August 30, 2000 The Privacy Foundation has discovered that it is possible to add "Web bugs" to Microsoft Word documents. A "Web bug" could allow an author to track where a document is being read and how often. In addition, the author can watch how a "bugged" document is passed from one person to another or from one organization to another. Some possible uses of Web bugs in Word documents include: Detecting and tracking leaks of confidential documents from a company. Tracking possible copyright infringement of newsletters and reports. Monitoring the distribution of a press release. Tracking the quoting of text when it is copied from one Word document to a new document. Web bugs are made possible by the ability in Microsoft Word of a document to link to an image file that is located on a remote Web server. Because only the URL of the Web bug is stored in a document and not the actual image, Microsoft Word must fetch the image from a Web server each and every time the document is opened. This image linking feature then puts a remote server in the position to monitor when and where a document file is being opened. The server knows the IP address and host name of the computer that is opening the document. A host name will typically include a company name if a computer is located at a business. The host name of a home computer usually has the name of a user's Internet Service Provider (ISP). An additional issue, and one that could magnify the potential surveillance, is that Web bugs in Word documents can also read and write browser cookies belonging to Internet Explorer. Cookies could allow an author to match up the computer viewer of a Word document to their visits to the author's Web site. Web bugs are used extensively today by Internet advertising companies on Web pages and in HTML-based email messages for tracking. They are typically 1-by-1 pixel in size to make them invisible on the screen to disguise the fact that they are used for tracking. Although the Privacy Foundation has found no evidence that Web bugs are being used in Word documents today, there is little to prevent their use. Short of removing the feature that allows linking to Web images in Microsoft Word, there does not appear to be a good preventative solution. However, the Privacy Foundation has recommended to Microsoft that cookies be disabled in Microsoft Word through a software patch. In addition to Word documents, Web bugs can also be used in Excel 2000 and PowerPoint 2000 documents. Detailed Description Microsoft Word from the beginning has supported the ability to include picture files in Word documents. Originally the picture files would reside on the local hard drive and then be copied into a document as part of Word .DOC file. However, begining with Word 97, Microsoft provided the ability to copy images from the Internet. All that is required to use this feature is to know the URL (Web address) of the image. Besides copying the Web image into the document, Word also allows the Web image to be linked to the document via its URL. Linking to the image results in smaller Word document files because only a URL needs to be stored in the file instead of the entire image. When a document contains a linked Web image, Word will automatically fetch the image each time the document is opened. This is necessary to display the image on the screen or to print it out as part of the document. Because a linked Web image must be fetched from a remote Web server, the server is in a position to track when a Word document is opened and possibly by whom. Furthermore, it is possible to include an image in a Word document solely for the purpose of tracking. Such an image is called a Web Bug. Web bugs today are already used extensively by Internet marketing companies on Web pages and embedded in HTML email messages. When a Web bug is embedded in a Word document, the following information is sent to the remote Web server when the document containing the bug is opened: The full URL of the Web bug image The IP address and the host name of the computer requesting the Web bug A Web browser cookie (optional) This information is typically saved in an ordinary log file by Web server software. Because the author of the document has control of the URL of the document, they can put whatever information they choose in this URL. For example, a URL might contain a unique document ID number or the name of the person to whom the document was orginally sent. These tracking abilities might be used in any number of ways. In most cases, the reader of a particular document will not know that the document is bugged, or that the Web bug is surreptitiously sending identifying information back through the Internet. One example of
[CTRL] The continued rapid concentration of wealth.
Copyright 2000 InterPress Service, all rights reserved. Worldwide distribution via the APC networks. *** 01-Sep-0* *** Title: ECONOMY-US: Inequality Continues to Widen/EMBARGO By Jim Lobe WASHINGTON, Sep 3 (IPS) - Despite low unemployment and the longest uninterrupted economic expansion in US history, the incomes and wealth of middle-class and poor families are falling further and further behind those of wealthy households, according to a new report released here Sunday. Indeed, adults in most families are working harder than ever just to stay in place, according to the report, 'State of Working America,' issued by the Economic Policy Institute (EPI). It found that an increase in the number of hours that families, especially middle-class families, worked each year was the primary factor contributing to income growth over the past decade. And, while more households than ever gained from owning shares of stocks in the booming stock markets of the past decade, those gains were far surpassed by a huge run-up in household debt during the same period, according to the 454-page report. Typical household debt grew by almost 12,000 dollars over the period, while household stock ownership grew by only 5,500 dollars. ''Persistent low unemployment and increases in the minimum wage have helped workers at the bottom recover from 15 years of wage stagnation and decline,'' says Lawrence Mishel, co-author of the EPI report. ''But some alarming trends persist as wage and income inequality remain high, families are working more hours than ever and are saddled with the highest levels of debt in history.'' The report, released every two years on the eve of the annual Labour Day holiday, offers a host of measures on how the working population in the United States is faring in an era of globalisation. This year's report also comes amid a presidential campaign in which the incumbent vice president, Al Gore, is running with a populist, anti-corporate message seemingly out of tune with the conventional wisdom that US families ''have never had it so good.'' EPI's findings, however, suggest reasons why conventional wisdom may be wrong. While they show that wages have risen sharply across the board since 1995, when middle-class and poorer families began to reap the benefits of the boom, most wage-earners have had to work harder than ever just to keep up. Moreover, inequality of both wages and household wealth continued to grow despite the strong gains, particularly by poorer workers, during the same period of record low unemployment. This does not augur well for the much-touted ''new economy,'' according to the report's authors. While investments in information technology have clearly led to higher labour productivity, they conclude, they have not contributed significantly either to job growth or to meaningful wage gains for workers outside the hi-tech sector. Experts have been predicting for years that the big winners in the ''new economy'' will be well-educated workers, and, indeed, recent Census Bureau figures show that the US workforce is better educated than ever before. According to a report by the Population Reference Bureau (PRB) issued last week, more than a quarter of young adults have bachelor's degrees, almost three times more than their counterparts of 40 years ago. But women and African-Americans account for almost all of that improvement. The percentage of college degrees received by white males - the largest demographic group in the workforce - and Hispanic men has remained mostly stagnant over the past 25 years, and real wages for those groups have failed to improve. ''The fact is a majority of people are still not college- educated,'' says John Haaga, co-author of the PRB report. ''In the last couple of decades, only those with a college education have seen their incomes rise.'' As a result, women, who are expected to make up the majority of new workers over the next decade, have narrowed the wage gap with men, although there remains a 25-percent difference in the median full-time wage between the two groups. But if that gap has narrowed, the same is not true for lower- and middle-income households vis- -vis high-income families. While low unemployment since 1995 permitted low-wage earners and the poor to close the gap with the middle, the top continued to pull away from the rest of the pack, according to the EPI report. Perhaps most dramatic in that respect was the 62.7 percent rise in the real wage of the median corporate executive officer (CEO) between 1998 and 1999 alone. The typical CEO earned 107 times than the typical worker last year, according to EPI - almost double the difference of a decade ago. Real incomes of low-income families grew at a 1.9 percent annual rate from 1995 to 1999; those of middle-income families grew at a 2.3 percent rate; while those at the top grew by 3.2 percent. Over a longer time span, from 1979 to 1999, however, real
[CTRL] God, how I love the smell of politics in the morning.
There is no way to scientifically figure what large numbers of humans will do. Just as there is no way to scientifically figure what the weather will do with ANY certainty. These clowns must be ( shudder! ) economists slumming. Only they have the experience flinging bullshit with any certainty and conviction. Anything can happen! All things being equal, Gore is unelectable no matter what the economy is doing. But! He is running against a guy who is only somewhat smarter than a box of hair. This is the state of American democracy in the Corporate era. Yikes!!! J2 == http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/090400wh-gore2.html September 4, 2000 And the Winner Is Gore, if They Got the Math Right By ADAM CLYMER WASHINGTON, Sept. 3 -- For many people who live here, presidential politics is an exciting and uncertain enterprise, where the fate of an ideological principle or, more important, a career, may hang on a slip in a debate or a brilliant 30-second commercial. But for seven visitors seeking to impose a precision and predictability on political life that even those working in its midst cannot discern, Vice President Al Gore has already beaten Gov. George W. Bush of Texas -- sort of. Those seven political scientists, among the more than 2,000 who gathered here this weekend for the 96th annual meeting of the American Political Science Association, have precise mathematical formulas that, if taken at face value, mean that the candidates, their handlers and the press should take the next nine weeks off. Then, the day after Election Day, everyone could look up to see whether Mr. Gore's winning percentage of the two-party vote was the 52.8 forecast by James E. Campbell of the State University of New York at Buffalo, the 60.3 expected by Thomas M. Holbrook of the University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, or something between. The political scientists presented their formulas at a panel on Thursday. The predictions of six of the formulas depend heavily on the health of the economy, by one measure or another, and on presidential popularity or the candidates' standings in Labor Day polls. The seventh, offered by Helmut Norpoth of the State University of New York at Stony Brook, depends on how the nominee of the incumbent party did in the New Hampshire primary. Mr. Norpoth's formula, which allows a forecast as soon as the incumbent party's nominee is clear (in March this year), gave Mr. Gore 55 percent. At one level, the formulas reflect the continuing tendency of political science to seek numerical precision by relating disparate facts: comparing roll call votes with House re-election rates, for example, or determining the frequency of pork-barrel spending by senators of different parties. In recent decades, one trend in political science as a discipline has been a struggle to seem as precise as physics, with equations as the tool. But at another level, these formulas reflect an underlying advantage for the Gore campaign, an economics-based edge that these students of past elections say it will take major efforts by one or both campaigns to overcome. Alan Abramowitz of Emory University said the data reflected the assumption that presidential elections are "largely a reflection on the performance of the incumbent president and the state of the economy." But his formula and some of the others also include a discount when a party is seeking to hold the White House for a third term or more. That is one reason why despite President Clinton's high poll ratings and a booming economy, Mr. Abramowitz's forecast was toward the lower end of the range, expecting Mr. Gore to get 53.2 percent. Mr. Holbrook said his formula and the others assumed that "both candidates will run pretty good campaigns." In 1988, he acknowledged, Governor Bush's father outperformed the predictions because his opponent, Gov. Michael S. Dukakis of Massachusetts, ran a poor general election campaign. Mr. Campbell, the lone acknowledged Republican on the panel, said that in past elections "glitches and gaffes" had accounted for no more than one or two percentage points. "Most of us are predicting that the fundamentals will shift the campaign so that it's pretty remote" that Mr. Bush will win, he said. Elsewhere at the meeting, the panelists' colleagues were treating the election as something still worth studying. One group listened while producers of television commercials discounted their own importance. Ray Strother, a Democratic media consultant, said that political advertisements often "don't work anymore." Noting that they are shown much more frequently than they were 30 years ago, he asked, "If ads are better, why do we have to show them three times more often to make them work?" At another session, three Rutgers University political scientists examined the press coverage of Elizabeth Dole's campaign for the Republican nomination. Caroline Heldman, Susan J.
[CTRL] PsyOp Ties and Lies: Art Bell, Thomas O. Hicks G.W. Bush
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: "Alex Constantine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Lloyd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PsyOp Ties and Lies: Art Bell, Thomas O. Hicks G.W. Bush Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 3:06 AM PsyOp Ties and Lies: Art Bell, Thomas O. Hicks G.W. Bush ___ Art Bell at Chancellor Broadcasting From the Talkwire Website: Art's Bio: Born June 17th, 1945, the son of a Marine Colonel father and a Drill Sergeant mother. By the age of 13, Art was an FCC licensed radio technician. He served in the US Air Force, after which he spent years on the island of Okinawa, living a Japanese lifestyle and working for KSBK. After studying engineering at the University of Maryland, Art got work at various stations in America as a board operator and chief engineer. This led to many opportunities to do on-air work, including his first job as a talk host on KENI in Anchorage, and even to doing a stint in Tijuana, Mexico, driving over the border everyday to "talk back" to U.S. from the giant XTRA. As Chief Engineer for Times Mirror in Las Vegas, Art's love of broadcasting persisted, and before long Art was back on a microphone. When the 50 thousand watt giant in Las Vegas, KDWN, offered him the chance to broadcast all night to 13 Western states, he grabbed the opportunity and never looked back. Later, Art was syndicated through CHANCELLOR BROADCASTING and Coast to Coast AM became the top overnight talk show host in the nation. In 1999, Art Bell left the airwaves for a few months in a veil of mystery and speculation. He was not abducted by aliens, he took time off the air to help his son and family through a tough personal crisis. Art lives in the high desert with his wife Ramona and their cats. _ Thomas O. Hicks, CEO of Chancellor Broadcasting: Chancellor Media Corporation *Address: 300 Crescent Ct., Ste. 600 Dallas, TX 75201 *Phone: 214-922-8700 *FAX: 214-922-8701 *Web Site: http://www.chancellormedia.com Profile: Chancellor Media Corporation is one of the largest radio conglomerates in America today. Chancellor operates 105 or so radio stations in 22 major markets across the country. Chancellor is currently in the process of buying competitor Capstar Broadcasting which will make it the radio group with the largest number of stations at 485. Chancellor Media Corporation is not just a radio holder, however. They are a self-described Diversified Media Group. The corporation also holds a radio spot placement service, Katz Media Group , and AMFM Radio Networks which provides syndicated to programming to Chancellor's radio stations in several markets. In addition Chancellor owns about 36,00 Billboard advertising spots in 37 states. *Annual Income: 1998 Sales: $1,273,900,000 *Number of Employees: 5200 *Ticker Symbol: AMFM *Stock Exchange: NASDAQ *Current Stock Price *10-K Annual Report Officers: *Chairman and CEO: Thomas O. Hicks ___ Thomas O. Hicks and the G.W. Bush Money Machine salon.com Politics2000 March 6, 2000 URL: http://www.salon.com/politics2000/feature/2000/03/06/wyly Tit for tat? How the Texas brothers who secretly funded attack ads against McCain have made millions managing state money under the Bush administration in Austin. - - - - - - - - - - - - By Joe Conason It's now been documented that Texas tycoons Sam and Charles Wyly, who emerged late last week as the secret financers of a television blitz attacking Sen. John McCain's environmental record, have put their wealth at the disposal of Gov. George W. Bush. In addition to buying those $2.5 million "independent expenditure" commercials, which aired in New York, California and Ohio under the sponsorship of the so-called "Republicans for Clean Air," Charles Wyly is a Bush Pioneer, which means he has raised at least $100,000 for the governor's presidential campaign. Moreover, since 1994 the brothers have given more than $200,000 to Bush's two gubernatorial campaigns. Omitted in much of the uproar over the Wyly connection, however, is the little-noticed fact that a lot of public money has been entrusted to the care of the billionaire brothers by Bush appointees at the University of Texas since 1998. That year, the university's financial managers invested $90 million with Maverick Capital Fund, a Dallas-based investment firm founded and controlled by the Wylys. In addition to a substantial share of whatever profits are earned from the investments, the deal
[CTRL] The Diana Forum
from: http://www.anaserve.com/~wethepeople/diforum2.htm Click Here: A HREF="http://www.anaserve.com/~wethepeople/diforum2.htm"The Diana Forum/A - THE DIANA FORUM This site is devoted to exposing the forces behind the wrongful deaths and murders of Diana, Princess of Wales, Dodi Fayed, and Henri Paul in Paris, France on August 31, 1997. The central tenet of WeThePeople is that the primary motive force behind the murders of Diana and Dodi is Elizabeth Regent, current Queen of England, and William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States. Queen Elizabeth ordered the murder of Diana and Dodi because she could not stomach the idea of William and Harry having a Muslim step-father. President Clinton, doing the bidding of New World Order forces, was a willing co-conspirator. New World Order forces, knowing long ago they would be going to war in Serbia, could not risk that Diana, who had shown particular interest in that region via her anti-landmine campaign in Bosnia, would intervene, ala Jesse Jackson, only with far greater effect, to stop the madness and thus undermine their carefully laid plans. We want to thank all of you for your continued support of the Diana Forum. WeThePeople Home Page CIA Drugs Kevin WarrenTheWebTimes IMPORTANT SUPPLEMENTAL NEWS! The above photograph, one of the most historic ever taken, was shot approximately 600 yards from the Le Pitie Salpetriere Hospital, where the ambulance carrying Diana had inexplicably stopped for ten minutes, allegedly to administer a dose of adrenaline to Diana, explicitly denied by the hospital. This photo summarizes the entire scenario behind Diana's murder: Here you have a French official talking on his cell phone, while not more than ten feet away the mother of the future King of England's life drains away, when this official and every other official present should have been yel ling and screaming at the top of their lungs for the ambulance to dispatch with all haste to the hospital, where a medical team of 25 of Paris' most experienced medical professionals had been assembled and could very well have saved the poor woman, if only they would get the ambulance to the hospital! To the Fayed Camp: You should forthwith use all resources necessary to identify who this official is, who he is talking to on his cell phone, and what was said. Further more, you should match photos of the medical personnel in the ambulance with those reported to be on board. Do they match? And if so, are there any other personnel inside the ambulance who are not reported to have been on board? In an extremely good close-up of this photo that we possess and that we forwarded to you (actually a separate photo taken from the same angle, only zoomed in) you can see three distinct people inside the ambulance. Were three people reported to have traveled in the ambulance to the hospital? Did unknown persons enter the ambulance at any point? On this last issue, we will have much more to say in the future. Suffice it to say now a full and complete accounting of all personnel in and around the ambulance that night is an imperative. One email correspondent to this website has speculated the official might not be French, but British. This is a definite possibility. If our hunch is right, a legitimate SAMU crew arrived at the Alma tunnel with the express purpose of doing everything in its power to save Diana. However, once it became clear that high-level powers were involved, and that they (the doctors) were being thwarted from doing their job (by a compromised ambulance driver driving at a snail's pace?), the doctors balked, deciding they wanted no part in what was unfolding, thus necessitating the two stops on the way to the hospital, one only 600 yards away. It may be at either or both of these stops that unknown persons entered the ambulance, for the purpose of doing to Diana what the legitimate SAMU medical personnel would not and could not bring themselves to do. There would be no logical reason for the hospital to have released that statement denying specifically that it had stopped the ambulance in front of the hospital if the doctors aboard had been legitimate. It would be interesting to match up photos of these "doctors" with British embassy personnel known to have been in Paris that weekend, especially when we consider MI6 top officials Richard Spearman and Richard Dearlove were both reported to be in Paris that weekend, operating out of the British Embassy. One thing to constantly remember is that Diana died because of that obscenely long one hour ride to the hospital, and that ambulance ride can never, ever be justified by the French. Master Chronology Of Events Surrounding The Crash That Killed Diana, Princess Of Wales, On 31 August 1997
[CTRL] increase voter turnout: GIVE THEM A CANDIDATE TO HATE
Network Blitzhttp://www.osu.edu/units/research/archive/voteturn.htm WANT TO INCREASE VOTER TURNOUT? GIVE THEM A CANDIDATE TO HATE COLUMBUS, Ohio - It will take more to get Americans to the polls this Election Day than a presidential candidate they really like. A new study suggests people will be more likely to vote if they actively dislike George Bush or Al Gore. "People who have something to lose by not voting are the ones who will go out and vote," said Jon Krosnick, co-author of the study and a professor of psychology and political science at Ohio State University. "A disliked candidate is seen as a threat, and that will be motivation to go to the polls. But a threat alone isn't enough - people need to have a hero to vote for, too, in order to inspire them to turn out on Election Day." These results illuminate some of the issues concerning whether negative campaigning helps or hurts voter turnout, Krosnick said. The study is based on nationwide survey data involving U.S. presidential elections during a 16-year period from 1972 to 1988. The surveys were conducted by the National Election Study and included face-to-face interviews with more than 5,000 Americans over the course of the four elections. Krosnick presented the results September 1 in Washington at the annual meeting of the American Political Science Association. The findings showed that people who said they liked both candidates - even if they liked one significantly more than the other - were not as likely to vote as were those who liked one and disliked another. "This goes against the conventional wisdom in political science, which says the important factor is how much difference there is between how much you like each candidate," Krosnick said. "But what we found makes more sense. If you like both candidates, there is little motivation to vote - you'll be happy no matter who wins." Conversely, voters would be less likely to vote if they dislike both candidates, because they won't be happy no matter who wins. Krosnick said the results put negative campaigning in a different light. Most candidates probably see negative campaigning as a way to persuade voters to vote for them. But what it really does is help ensure that your supporters go to the polls. "If you're a candidate, there's only so much you can do to make people love you. But if you want to make sure people who love you actually vote for you, it helps if you can make them hate your opponent," he explained. However, if there is so much negative campaigning that voters dislike both candidates, then the negativity will probably hurt turnout. "Turnout in this year's election will be high if there are large groups of voters who love Gore and hate Bush, or who love Bush and hate Gore. But we don't want a situation where everybody hates, or likes, both of them." The analysis of voter turnout was part of a larger study that offers a new way of thinking about voter decision-making - a way that is more consistent with psychological theory than with reigning theories in political science, Krosnick said. The larger study involved NES data from seven presidential elections between 1972 and 1996 and more than 25,000 respondents. "We found that voters form impressions about candidates the same way they do about everybody else: neighbors, family members and co- workers," Krosnick said. "Political scientists have assumed that the process of making a voting decision is different than any other decision in a person's life. But we're finding there are a lot of similarities. Our findings may be surprising to some political scientists, but they won't be a surprise to psychologists who study decision-making." Some of the findings that fit with psychological theory: First impressions count more than information learned just before Election Day. This means that the first ideas you develop about a candidate will influence your vote more than those you learn later. For candidates, this means that advertising early in the campaign probably has a bigger positive impact than later ads. "That's counter to the conventional wisdom of political consultants," Krosnick said. Voters start with positive attitudes toward unknown candidates. Most researchers have assumed that people are neutral toward candidates in the beginning, but this study showed that voters have a slightly positive attitude even before they know anything about those who are running, Krosnick said. "Candidates can take advantage of the fact that they start the campaign on the positive side with most potential voters." Negative information has more impact on voters than positive information. "People are moved more by candidates' failings and mistakes than by their successes and good qualities," he said. "This helps explain why negative campaign ads are so effective." Less knowledgeable voters make their decisions in much the same way as do informed voters. "People use the same strategies for making decisions in all areas of life,"
Re: [CTRL] Part One of Two parts. Fitting in to the Scheme of Things. [CTRL] :Buckley backs off; Cliff doesn't. It seems that Joshua 2 wants mor-on Buckley before becoming a believer.
Cliff Hume - Canada.
What a gigantic moron you are Cliff if your understanding of the NWO
leads you to believe that William F. Buckley is a communist.
You don't have a clue pal. Joshua2
There is not a dimes worth of difference between the Right-Wing Socialists
and the Left-Wing Socialists, and the contents of part one and part two of
this post, should be enough to prove this statement to the informed; the
uninformed and misinformed will be left aghast or even angry, but we may
then be able to awaken them to the reality of our present situation.
On page 49 of the 488 page, The Unseen Hand, by A. Ralph Epperson, come
these enlightening words, unfit for Limbaugh "Ditto-heads" and others conned
by the ruse of 'Kommunism', or what Epperson points out as "the "respectable
right" from those the observer would never suspect of being a "closet
communist."
"Take for instance, the thoughts on this subject from two respectable "right
wing Conservatives." One has written: "Congress shall appropriate funds for
social welfare only for the benefit of those states whose per capita income
is below the national average." This writer advocated a newer brand of
Marxism: "From each state according to its ability, to each state according
to its needs." (emphasis added.) This writer advocated that the national
government divide the wealth, taking it from the wealthier states and giving
it to the less productive. Pure Marxism, except the writer involved both the
state and the federal governments rather than just the federal government as
Marx envisioned. This is only expanding Marx one step: the result is the
same. Property is distributed by the government just as before. The shock is
that this new thought came from the pen of William F. Buckley, Jr., hardly a
paragon of Marxism. But notice that Buckley's intent is the same as that of
Marx: to use government to redistribute Consumption and Capital Goods."
On page 206 of Mr. Epperson's book, we also find him peeking in to the roots
of the Order of Skull Bones and its ties to the Bavarian Illuminists. Mr.
Epperson quotes from Ron Rosenbaum's article in the September 1977 issue of
Esquire magazine entitled "The Last Secret of Skull and Bones,". "Mr.
Rosenbaum also mentions the names of this group's more illustrious members.
Included in this list are two names of particular interest to those who
study conspiracies today: William F. Buckley, Jr., the "conservative" who
frequently states that there is "no conspiracy," and George Bush, Ronald
Reagan's Vice President and a member of the Trilateral Commission and the
Council on foreign Relations."
And for mor-on William F. Buckley, Jr., I will take you to Antony C.
Sutton's "America's Secret Establishment - An Introduction to the Order of
Skull Bones". Our counterfeit 'conservative' warrants mention on at least
seven or eight pages.
Taking just page 28 for brevity, and to get on with the task at hand, we
learn that:
"The Law
The major establishment law firms in New york are saturated with The Order.
In Particular, Lord, Day and Lord, dominated by the Lord family already
discussed; also Simpson, Thatcher and Bartlett, especially the thatcher
family; David Polk, Wardwell and Debevoise, Plimpton, the Rockefeller family
law firm.
"Communications
There has been a significant penetration into communications. Some examples:
* Henry Luce of Time-Life is in The Order.
* so is William Buckley ('50) of National Review
* and Alfred Cowles (13), President of Cowles Communication,
Des Moines Register, Minneapolis Star
* and Emmert Bates ('32) of Litton Educational Systems, plus
* Richard Ely Danielson ('07) of Atlantic Monthly
* Russell Wheeler Davenport ('23), Fortune
* John Chipman Farrar ('18), of Farrar, Strauss, the publishers."
There is not much left for the likes of William Buckley to infiltrate and
destroy in the land of the free and the home of the brave, and right at this
moment in time, beginning on the sixth of this month of September, of the
year 2000, these same people and those in cahoots with them, will be holding
a large meeting to plan the forging of our shackles and chains under a New
World Order.
All of these criminals are especially nervous these days and are liable to
try anything to carry their globalist plans to fruition, for they have all
been committing treason, the penalty for which has traditionally been - to
hang by the neck until dead.
I have sent out several letters over the past years asking the American
people to offer amnesty to those who realize they have been tricked, and
surrender themselves to the Sheriffs Departments, or some other branches of
government which may not have yet been taken over by all of these hoods.
These super-rich charlatans who would enslave the entire world, after over
200 years of conniving, cheating, and stealing the people blind, now feel
that they must win or die. If they do win for lack of attention on the part
of the ordinary people, millions of us will die after
[CTRL] Part Two: Fitting in to the Scheme of Things
Subject: Re: [cancercure] Conspiracy in UNITED NATIONS If this woman is correct--Did you know? 1. Gore re-structured the Constitution? 2. Prince Charles' has strong ties to United Nations? 3. We will have a world tax? 4. There is news blackout on the real United Nations? 5. "Sustainable Development" is communism? ...it is United Nations' control of the world's money...and [Hitler's] "population control"? 6. "Public-Private Partnership" is communism fascism--the marriage between government and business? [leads to feudalism] 7. Before 1992, the world is ruled by Judeo-Christian ethic; in 1992, the United Nations perverted and changed it to Gaia, or paganism. 8. House Bill, HR 4453, says Congress to send 6,000 of U.S.'s best troops to United Nations, to quench resistance of any nation to a world government? [also allows UN troops on U.S. soil] 9. Clinton signs New Constitution? 10. Note: This world government (from the European Common Market) is prophecied in Revelations of the Bible to be ruled by the Anti-Christ (a satanic kingdom). Read what the woman says below. Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:53:01 -0400 From: International Advocates for Health Freedom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [IAHF] QA The U.N.'s shocking millennium agenda: Learn How the Rug is Being Pulled Out From Under US If You Value Your Access to Vitamins- (or ANY of your freedoms) Read this Interview! [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ] International Advocates for Health Freedom - http://www.iahf.com IAHF List: This Interview is DEEP. The woman being interviewed has been to numerous UN conferences world wide in an effort to unravel and make sense out of the globalists greed and power driven agenda, and what she reports here is shocking! By reading it you'll begin to grasp the speed with which the globalists are trying to move, and how they're moving to destroy all of our freedoms along with the sovereignty of all nations. I don't want to be a slave, do you? Check out all the links at the end of this. If you value your access to dietary supplements, I hope you grasp the implication of what is being said here. All of us who oppose the Pharma Cartel's UN Codex Vitamin Agenda had better make the effort to grasp what is going on with the fast approaching UN Millenium Assembly- and if you read this you'll see things very clearly. An effort is being made here to pull the rug out from under us, and the people who are trying to do it figure no one will notice or protest...This is a genocide agenda, folks wake up and forward this to more people... Anyone can be on the IAHF distribution list by signing up at http://www.iahf.com or by sending email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUNDAY QA The U.N.'s shocking millennium agenda http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_metcalf_news/2827_xngme_the_uns_sh.shtl Geoff Metcalf interviews United Nations expert Joan Veon http://www.womensgroup.org/ By Geoff Metcalf © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com Several years ago, businesswoman Joan Veon had no idea she would one day be standing toe-to-toe with world leaders, challenging their ideas on global government. Since that time, however, Veon http://www.womensgroup.org/ has done extensive research on the United Nations and the organization's agenda and has attended dozens of U.N. conferences. In her book, "Prince Charles -- The Sustainable Prince," http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1575580217/o/qid=966805581/sr=2-1/103-08 6584-4603863 Veon explores the prince's connections to both the U.N. and the most powerful corporate leaders in the world. WorldNetDaily reporter and talk show host Geoff Metcalf recently interviewed Veon about her analysis of the United Nations and its plans for the future. Metcalf's daily radio show can be heard on TalkNetDaily weekdays from 7 p.m. to 10 p.m. Eastern time. http://www.wnd.com/talknetdaily/ Question: Please explain to our readers the path to your discovery about the United Nations and its agenda. Answer: Before I went to Cairo to attend a U.N. conference, I thought I was sophisticated; I thought I was well informed. I was a community activist and was very concerned with what was going on in the schools -- abortion, condom distribution, outcome-based education. I was testifying at the county level and at the state level on various social issues. I really thought I had it together. I was challenged to go to this economic conference in Cairo because I write an economic newsletter and I really wanted to see up close what the United Nations was, because I realized I didn't know who they were or what they did. I was quite shocked and amazed at what I saw at this United Nations conference. It wasn't just the conference itself, it was the structure. It was the sophistication of advancement of an agenda that I had absolutely no knowledge about. I remember Vice President Gore -- he was just elected at that time -- giving a keynote address
Re: [CTRL] Give up guns, or go to war? What do you think?
In a message dated 9/2/00 7:24:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You guys really live in la-la land don't you? You need to get real. I am in a very real world, but it is out west, not back east. First of all VERY FEW PEOPLE OWN GUNS. That's right. You have lots of guns out there, but a small percentage of the population owns all of them. What facts do you have to support this supposition? This better sink in if you think you are going to take on the most powerful force in history. A very small force of people took on the US military many years ago and won. The US military was very powerful then, but not now; it is a skeleton force at best. Vietnam did this with rifles against thousands of aircraft with an unlimited budget for bombs and against choppers that as thick as fireflies in a Georgia summer night. As for militias, you can discount about half of the militia's membership in an insurrection. Half of those are FBI agents. I wouldn't count on militia people, they are just overgrown boys playing soldier as far as I can see, never met one in person. Mostly a bunch of wannabes. Most importantly, the majority of citizens would not care much if the government wanted to take away guns. That means that gov would have a green light to deal with gun nuts and militia types. Just what is your definition of a "gun nut?'" What makes you think that the military would turn into ATF agents and confiscate guns on the orders of some college-educated officer puke? I was in the USAF for 20 years and many in the armed forces support the right to bear arms against an oppressive government (the true meaning of the second amendment). For eight of those years I worked hand-in-hand with the Army and I know they wouldn't like this idea; most of them are gun owners themselves. If you doubt this, I would remind you of how much the general population cares about Waco. Those people are dead, I am not. Those people were religious and didn't have the stomach for killing ... I am not religious and am fully prepared to defend myself against any hostile person or persons who try to disarm me. As for Waco, the sheep who call themselves people believe everything they hear on the nightly news ... yeah right. Be warned! I understand and have heeded the warning, that's why I'm prepared for the worst should it happen. What will you do? Once the guns are gone the government need not hide their fascist agenda any longer. Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
