Re: [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, David Sutherland wrote:

 Give 'em hell, Rabbi David!
 FWP

 Hahahahahahaha

 Well Rabbi LEZ (ggg) I was just thinking what great reBUTTers of HEADy
 proportions Granny June and lost loch nessie are!!!

Rabbi David:
 It is clear that we must put this in the context of the CTRL
Conspiracy which has to do with enforcing the neodialectic paradigm of
consensus that includes language as a whole, aka "Totem and Taboo in Bongo
Bongo Land" (formerly America). From the superior vantage points of more
advanced cultures in Australia and Canada we can see what is taking place
with respect to the dialectic of the dialectic. That of course translates
into talking about what we don't talk about, otherwise how can we comply
with the CTRL Conspiracy to substitute the superstition of taboo in the
dialectic for the reasoned and free discourse of civilized people living
in liberty? In particular, one must ask about the CTRL taboo in the footer
of every posting, a taboo which applies only to one group in the predicate
but many though not all groups in the subject. For example one of the CTRL
conspirators (oops I mean moderators) posted what appeared to be a
dialectical taboo last week but a certain un-named group is apparently
allowed to both construct and participate in the deconstruction of taboos
in Bongo Bongo Land. One might say that applies only to one taboo. But I
say it is a clear and powerful precedent established by arbitrary and
irrational criteria which leads to many other taboos such as those against
speaking against perverts and child murderers. In other words the CTRL
Conspiracy is nothing less than a conspiracy set on the path of the
paganization of America, thereby converting it into Bongo Bongo Land by
successive approximations via the neodialectic paradigm of enforced
consensus using the ages old mechanism of ostracization (list removal) as
the penalty for soundness of mind and expressed reasoning in the service
of liberty.
FWP

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[CTRL] CTRL's Conspiracy Against Liberty and Justice

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

The author of the information below will remain nameless as reprisal from
the Priesthood which enforces the Holy Taboos of Bongo Bongo South might
be forthcoming. However, the dialectic of the dialectic mandates that we
consider a posting by a CTRL moderator last week proferring a degree of
holocaust denial. The question is whether those who create a taboo in the
course of the paganization of America are also those who can destroy the
taboo? OTOH, perhaps there is only one priestly caste in Bongo Bongo Land
which has monopoly on the construction and deconstruction of ALL
taboos. Now these are sensible questions and they are vitally important in
understanding the insidious progression of paganization in America. The
moderator retorted by calling me "psychotic" BTW which is also a
traditional method for dealing with those who violate the tabos of
primitive and banal cultures, ie character assassination.
FWP

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Yad Vashem is the official holocaust memorial organization in UN-Israel.
It's the same outfit that had an official State burial for a bar of
alleged "jewish soap," some years back. After about 40 years of making a
fortune on the belief, they finally confessed that there was no soap made
from jews, blaming the highly venerated jewish legend on "German
propaganda."

Krissy at CTRL will delete the
information before it hits the List.

  There was a statement by the Yad Vashem in an article a while back,
 where they noted that 80% or more of the 'eyewitness testimonies' are
 "highly unreliable."

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[CTRL] [BCPolitics] Objectivism, capitalist theory and postcapitalist modern theory (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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 capitalist theory and postcapitalist modern theory

I have foudn the following very short paper that may shed light on
some of the issues re False Creek and Robot Consciousness.



Objectivism, capitalist theory and postcapitalist modern theory

Jane K. Parry
Department of Literature, Harvard University



1. Rushdie and neocultural conceptualism


In the works of Rushdie, a predominant concept is the concept of
dialectic art.  Sontag promotes the use of the modernist paradigm of
reality to attack the status quo. If textual theory holds, we have to
choose between capitalist theory and neocultural conceptualism.

Therefore, Marx suggests the use of textual theory to challenge
sexism.  Hanfkopf [1] suggests that the works of Rushdie are
modernistic.

Foucault's model of Baudrillardist simulacra holds that society,
somewhat paradoxically, has intrinsic meaning. It could be said that
the economy, and subsequent meaninglessness, of textual theory
prevalent in Midnight's Children emerges again in Midnight's Children.

However, the subject is interpolated into a capitalist theory that
includes consciousness as a whole.

2. Rushdie and capitalist deappropriation


If one examines neocultural conceptualism, one is faced with a choice:
either accept textual theory or conclude that sexual identity,
somewhat surprisingly, has intrinsic meaning. However, Sontag promotes
the use of capitalist theory to attack class divisions. Lyotard uses
the term 'textual theory' to denote the bridge between sexuality and
society.

However, the main theme of the works of Rushdie is the role of the
poet as observer.

Any number of narratives concerning prepatriarchial textual theory may
be found. The subject is contextualised into a neodialectic paradigm
of concensus that includes language as a whole. Neocultural
conceptualism states that culture is intrinsically a legal
fiction. Therefore, if textual theory holds, we have to choose between
capitalist theory and neocultural conceptualism.



1. Hanfkopf, T. S. ed. (1987) The Collapse of Narrative: Capitalist
theory and textual theory. Cambridge University Press




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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Leonardo da Vinci

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

But then you haven't met my Roboleonardo have you?
FWP

On Sun, 2 Jul 2000, Aleisha Saba wrote:

 This Leonardo da Vinci is my favorite person; today all around this
 world, there is none to comparelook at this idiot who had the
 picture of the Black Madonna and used Dung for paint in part.and
 dare they put the garbage of this man in a museum?

 Leonardo painted the Last Supper; I still have an engraving of this
 painting that is over 200 years old; but never have I read of a man such
 as da Vinciwe praise Frank Lloyd Wright, who said one got an
 inferiority complex walking into the great cathdral of Notre Dame.he
 put the title of genius upon himself - no wonder he got an inferiority
 complex walking into such great monuments of man's past history.me,
 I feel inspired walking into our local St. Josephs with its majestic
 celing.and the steeples on some churches look almost like a rocket
 going to the moon if you use a little imagination.

 This world needs men like da Vinci - but you can tell from his work,
 that guy had also a sense of humor, and I do not believe a mean bone in
 his body.

 Today this "modern art" - it is garbage; for a modern artist to make the
 true test, let him sit down a paint a Mona Lisa - da Vinci makes them
 all look like what they are today - frauds.

 And that idiot President would have us think he is a genius?   A lawyer
 with his own laws?   How did that guy get out of grade schoolwonder
 what his IQ was for this guy is just a programmed idiot - when he speaks
 on his own, he is not too bright - but I give him = no he is not even a
 good liar, for he gets caught.

 A. Saba
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[CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Christian Design of Healthy Villages and Cities (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Christian Design of Healthy Villages and Cities

Dear Christian Medical Association:
My Gospel of St. Luke begins with the
recognition of the author/biographer as "Luke, The Beloved
Physician". Further to Mr. Jennings journalism on "The Greatest Story Ever
Told" I am reminded that the report of Luke was a historical report and
that this is a historically based faith. When Life-Gazette was in tabloid
format in the late 80's and early 90's, one of its columnists was a
retired Christian physician who impressed me greatly with his statements
on the CREDIBILITY of this faith. Dr. Hugh Macphail (MD, 1948,
U. Manitoba) was even a creationist. He said he thought there was literal
evidence for creation, ie for some-thing coming out of no-nothing in the
outer regions of space. In particular he said that he thought hydrogen
could be created in space. I have to admit that I was incredulous until I
read the book by scientist-astronaut Brian O'Leary titled "Miracle In The
Void". Not only does O'Leary say that mass-energy can be created in the
void but that he thinks the "zero point field" as he calls space, is
conscious in and of itself. Once again I was incredulous until I read the
web site of another scientist-astronaut, Edgar D. Mitchell, on quantum
holograms as "nature's mind". If the "observer effect" as it is called in
quantum physics manifests itself everywhere we have a scientific statement
giving credence to omniscience, another central tenet in the teachings of
Christ. Dr. Macphail pointed out that this faith we have is a "credible
faith, not a credulous faith". It is not based on the tooth fairy (the
latter kind of faith) but upon HISTORICAL EVIDENCE. IT STANDS OR FALLS ON
HISTORICAL REPORTS LIKE THAT OF LUKE. So it is not a matter of "secular
history" vs. "religious history". It is a matter of history which is valid
vs. history which is invalid.
   I have never come across a single piece of evidence which would prove
beyond reasonable doubt that any Biblical account of history or science or
philosophy is invalid. On the other hand, many related pieces of evidence
support the Biblical account of history which is, I remind you, the
established history of Christendom (while histories to the contrary are
revisionist). With only summary stories available for events millennia in
the past it is easy to question the validity of the historical events
reported. Mr. Jennings questions Joseph taking Mary to Bethlehem because
it was not "standard practice" re Roman taxation. That question can be
raised but it does not refute anything. Nor does the incredulity of many
concerning the miracle of the resurrection. On that point, discussed in a
Jennings-King interview, I should add that THE FAITH IS UTTERLY
INVALIDATED IF THE RESURRECTION IS A HOAX. In scientific terms, the
ancient (Old Testament) teaching of the resurrection of the body had
been empirically demonstrated by Jesus Christ. Doesn't medical science
today support the conclusion that a human body with no vital signs can be
revived under certain conditions?
   The "medical approach" to our faith could help us greatly today. I am
on a list called "Healthy Cities". I think the last posting was over a
year ago. What would a healthy city (including its villages, surrounding
farms and individual estates etc.) be like? The carnage on the streets of
our cities today is hideous. There are designs for new villages and cities
which would almost totally eliminate this. Pollution ruins health and
takes lives. According to Dean of Architecture, William McDonough, any new
community planned today, not meeting the criterion of "little or no
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shalt not kill". One could go on with the "medical approach" until a
complete "healthy city" is described.
   St. Luke quotes Jesus in his historical biography: "And why call y

Re: [CTRL] HATE LITERATURE - [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

However, since nobody can articulate "Culture X" of "us" or "them" it
becomes an exercise like Spy vs. Spy in Mad Magazine. US culture has lost
its way. An individual with so little awareness of self and ego-ideal
would be deemed in urgent need of therapy.
FWP

On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, tenebroust wrote:

 Yep.  First it's Jewish conspiracies against "our American way", and now the "fags" 
are out to destroy heterosexual society.  All distraction, and counterproductive in a 
group which should be fostering support from all groups who are disenfranchised and 
who seek to uncover the truth of what is really going on.  Doesn't anyone realize (or 
perhaps the problem is that they DO realize) that dissension is exactly what "they" 
want.  If we are divided against one another then how can we ever become strong 
enough to oppose or at least expose the true evils that are threatening us in 
society.  More bickering and name calling just plays into their hands.


 On Fri, 30 June 2000, "Robert F. Tatman" wrote:

 
  Alfred, you're right on the money. The "fags" posts, IMHO, are deliberately
  planned to divert our attention from the REAL issues we should be dealing
  with, namely the Oligarchs and their efforts to keep the people from
  discovering the truth about how (and for whom) the world is run. Let's take
  a look at THAT particular conspiracy, folks--examine how misinformation and
  disinformation are used to cloud the minds and obscure the vision of
  researchers who might otherwise penetrate the layers of deception. And note
  the way certain individuals, and ONLY those individuals, keep bringing up
  this diversionary subject whenever the attention of the list starts to focus
  on economics and the power elite. (I'm not talking about the elitist
  pedophile rings; there's good, hard evidence that they do exist, and I want
  to see as much daylight shed on them as possible. What I'm talking about is
  stuff like "Facts and Statistics About Fags," which uses false "statistics"
  and loaded obscenities to elicit a purely emotional response from its
  readers.)
 
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   Does this report not begin to border on hate literature? I beleive the
  Third
   Reich
   began homphobic hate literature in earnest, as a prelude to a policy of
   extermination of gays, much as they exterminated Jews, gypsys, and
   free-thinkers.  The homophobic literature surrounding the trial of Oscar
   Wilde was relatively tame compared to this. This post is hate literature:
  It
   contains systematic distortions of reality designed to further base human
   prejudice, result in the denial of human rights, incite others to physical
  or
   psychological violence, or result in the denial of human rights to an
   identifiable groups based on sexual and gender preferences.  Racial hate
   literature is not acceptable on this list; Homophobic literature lacks
   redeeming social value. Is it acceptable?
  
   Alfred Webre, Vancouver
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Re: [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

Did you get a "reprimand" from the moderators for this?
FWP

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Re: [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Eagle 1 wrote:

 Facts and Statistics About FagsI agree with Nessie ...  who said...
 (1.) Those stats are bogus.
   (2.) It's none of your business what other people do in bed.

 Interesting posts lately...
 We take the focus off the 'JEWS'...
 and take a Jewish  [Hebrew]  set of standards and
 manipulate the Word of God to fit the agenda at hand.
 How convenient.

In what way? (I don't follow what you mean by "to fit the agenda at
hand"). But then I'm still trying to put the rest of the pieces together
in the code of "Totem and Taboo" in Bongo Bongo South, as exemplified by
the policies of this list. I know that the greatest taboo is to deny one
genocide among the many of recent history. I wonder why it isn't taboo to
deny the adverse health effects of the homosexual lifestyle. Or is it?
FWP

 No wonder so many people feel that the Bible is full of   " it "

 eagle 1

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 From: David Sutherland
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 Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 1:30 AM
 Subject: [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags


 Facts and Statistics About Fags
 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
 -- Leviticus 18:22

 "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of
 iniquity." Psalm 5:5

 Note: The facts and statistics contained below are nothing more than a
 summary of various sources (which are listed at the bottom of this page).
 You may or may not agree with them. You may have seen different numbers in
 different sources. Everything provided below is information that most
 homosexuals don't want you to know about, but it needs to be known.

 Fags live filthy, unhealty, dangerous, unhappy, and in many cases, violent
 lives.
 Fags prey on children.
 The fag agenda.
 The true number of fags.
 Fags aren't discriminated against in employment, so why should they be a
 protected class?
 Sexual Orientation

 ETC

 .
 zz

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[CTRL] FC: Germany's justice minister demands global ban on hate speech (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Subject: FC: Germany's justice minister demands global ban on "hate speech"

[A nice touch: "Self regulation" has much the same effect as government
censorship, but is harder to challenge in court. And it sounds so much
kindler and gentler, no? Perhaps next we'll see European ministers call for
"self regulation" of sites that expose ethnic groups to hatred (anti-Irish
joke lists and late-night comedian home pages, for instance), inspire
dislike of the government or some other such nonsense. But it's
"regulation," a good thing, right? --Declan]


http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0%2C1283%2C37251%2C00.html

Germany Wants Hate Crackdown
Reuters

7:00 a.m. Jun. 27, 2000 PDT
BERLIN -- Germany's justice minister Tuesday called for global rules
against hate speech on the Internet and urged stronger self-regulation by
Web companies to beat racism and xenophobia.

"What is forbidden offline must be forbidden online," Herta Däubler-Gmelin
told a conference in Berlin on hate speech on the Web.

"Given the global character of the Internet, our goal must be to achieve a
global value consensus and to agree an international minimum level of
regulation."

Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal
Center, said the explosion of extremist websites in the United States
proved the need for action.

"We have gone from one hate site on the Internet in 1995 to over 2,000," he
said. "There are dozens of sites that teach people how to build bombs."

[...]

She also said that Internet companies had an obligation to make sure they
did not sell extremist books or music, while service providers could block
websites promoting hatred.

[...]

She noted that the majority of extremist websites originated in the United
States and said it was a shame that U.S. representatives had not turned up
at the conference.

[...]

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Re: [CTRL] HATE LITERATURE - [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

Cite a specific law which would proscribe this as illegal hate literature.
FWP

On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, DIG alfred webre wrote:

 Does this report not begin to border on hate literature? I beleive the Third
 Reich
 began homphobic hate literature in earnest, as a prelude to a policy of
 extermination of gays, much as they exterminated Jews, gypsys, and
 free-thinkers.  The homophobic literature surrounding the trial of Oscar
 Wilde was relatively tame compared to this. This post is hate literature: It
 contains systematic distortions of reality designed to further base human
 prejudice, result in the denial of human rights, incite others to physical or
 psychological violence, or result in the denial of human rights to an
 identifiable groups based on sexual and gender preferences.  Racial hate
 literature is not acceptable on this list; Homophobic literature lacks
 redeeming social value. Is it acceptable?

 Alfred Webre, Vancouver
 =
 In a message dated 00-06-30 02:32:41 EDT, you write:

 
  Facts and Statistics About FagsFacts and Statistics About Fags
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

-- Leviticus 18:22


"The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of
 iniquity." Psalm 5:5




 --

Note: The facts and statistics contained below are nothing more than a
 summary of various sources (which are listed at the bottom of this page). You
 may or may not agree with them. You may have seen different numbers in
 different sources. Everything provided below is information that most
 homosexuals don't want you to know about, but it needs to be known.



 --

  a.. Fags live filthy, unhealty, dangerous, unhappy, and in many cases,
 violent lives.
  b.. Fags prey on children.
  c.. The fag agenda.
  d.. The true number of fags.
  e.. Fags aren't discriminated against in employment, so why should they
 be a protected class?
  f.. Sexual Orientation


 --

Fags live filthy, unhealty, dangerous, unhappy, and in many cases, violent
 lives.
  a.. Fags fellate almost 100% of their sexual contacts and ingest semen
 from about half of those. Semen contains virtually every germ carried in the
 blood stream, so this is about equivalent to ingesting raw human blood (6).
  b.. One study reports 70% of fags admitting to having sex only one time
 with over 50% of their partners (3).
  c.. One study reports that the average fag has between 20 and 106
 partners per year (6). The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime.
  d.. Sperm readily penetrates the anal wall (which is only one cell
 thick) and gains direct access to the blood stream. This causes massive
 immunological damage to the body's T- and B-cell defensive systems (14).
  e.. 50% of male syphilis is carried by fags as a rectal infection and
 can enter through the urethra of another fag during anal sex (7).
  f.. Around 67-80% of fags lick and/or insert their tongues into the
 anuses of their partners (called "rimming", anilingus, fecal sex, etc.) and
 ingest biologically significant amounts of feces (7), which is the chief
 cause of hepatitis and parasitic infections among fags (8). This practice is
 called the "prime taste treat in sex" in the bestseller The Joy of Gay Sex.
  g.. 33% of fags admit to fisting (inserting the hand, sometimes part of
 the arm, into the rectum of his partner) (7).
  h.. Urinating on each other ("golden showers") and torture has doubled
 among fags since the 1940s, and fisting has increased astronomically (7).
  i.. 17% of fags eat and/or rub the feces of their partners on themselves
 (4).
  j.. 12% of fags give/receive enemas as part of sexual pleasure (4).
  k.. In one study, the average fag fellated somewhere between 20 and 106
 men, swallowed 50 seminal discharges, had 72 penile penetrations of the anus,
 and ingested feces of 23 different men EVERY YEAR (6).
  l.. Many fag sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in
 an orgy setting (7).
  m.. Many fags don't pay heed to warnings of their lifestyles: "Knowledge
 of health guidelines was quite high, but this knowledge had no relation to
 sexual behavior" (16).
  n.. Activities of fags involve rimming (anilingus), golden showers,
 fisting, and using "toys" (21).
  o.. Fags got homosexuality removed from the list of mental illnesses in
 the early 70s by storming the annual American Psychiatric Association (APA)
 conference on successive years. "Guerrilla theater tactics and more
 straight-forward shouting matches characterized their presence" (2). Since
 homosexuality has been removed from the APA list of mental illnesses, so has
 pedophilia (except when the adult feels 

Re: [CTRL] HATE LITERATURE - [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Aleisha Saba wrote:

 I read about 20 lines of this garbage, nearly got sick to my stomach,
 and used the delete key which is there for all of us.

 If it is okay for someone in New York City to Paint a Black Madonna
 using Elephant Dung and it is called Art, by our Supreme Court
 Standards, Facs and Statistics About Fags, is maybe a work of art and
 comes under Freedom of Speech.

According to the BC Human Rights Code, it is the holding up of certain
groups to "contempt" and "hate" which is illegal. Religious groups are
explicitly cited. However, the unwritten law is that CERTAIN groups in
society can heap filth and desecration and hate on certain other
groups. Guess who is at the top of "Totem and Taboo" and who is at the
bottom? Let us call this the new "common law" of the State-religion of
Secular Humanism.
FWP

 But Mr. Sutherland - if he likes that kind of stuff, so be it.   He put
 into words what they will soon be teaching our kids in schools - that
 homosexuality and lesbianism is an alternativ lifestyle, for dogs do it,
 cats do it,  so why don't we let our kids do it?   Janet Reno does it,
 Barney Frank does it and so does Ellen and Chasity Bono does it.and
 never thought about birds and bees being fags, but if they do it, well
 ever get bit by a bee?

 Now with those lovely thought for today, remember the article while
 crude at least as far as I got,  this is what they will be teaching
 little elementary kids in schools.

 Now yes, I had a cat once and I told my vet that I thought it was a
 homosexual for it attacked its mother.   The doctor said no, animals
 naturally act this way.

 Then this one man told me he had a newspaper for his dog and when it was
 bad, he slapped its nose, with a newsspaper which broke it of any bad
 habits that came naturally when company was around.I nicknamed that
 dog "No Nose".

 So my two cents..maybe this article though crude and to me seemingly
 obscene, maybe we take as wake up call before we have kids like little
 Barney Frank running around, and Janet Reno - with no noses.

 After all, monkey see and monkey do - but we are supposed to be
 civilized and certain standards we have set.And as for that Boy
 Scout flack - well they did ot get that organization to accept sodomy as
 a Christian life style.

 A. Saba
 Dare To Call It Conspiracy

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Re: [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Kris Millegan wrote:

 In a message dated 6/30/00 6:20:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Their heads are so far up their "Conspiracy Theory" holes, they've become
 
 that which for long they have beheld.
 
 snip blah blah

  Ya ever heard of the word sanctimonius?

Ya ever hear of the word honest?
FWP

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[CTRL] [BCPolitics] Fwd: Urgent recent developments in the Franklin satanic cult/sex/drug ring (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Subject: [BCPolitics] Fwd: Urgent recent developments in the Franklin
satanic cult/sex/drug ring (fwd)

Dear Mr. Decamp:
 Essentially it came down to "Which side do we believe?"
So much so that citizens of Nebraska were walking around wearing "Believe
The Children" buttons. But Paul Bonacci and Alisha Owen came from "the
wrong side of the tracks" so who would believe their word against the
"distinguished citizens" allegedly running drugs, pedophile sex rings and
pandering to satanic ritual abuse? In my little presentation with the
others at the Press Club Restaurant/Speaking Room in Lincoln or Omaha
(can't remember which) I emphasized the "marketing" aspect of these
activities and I downplayed the sensationalism of "satanism", preferring
the medical psychology jargon of "sadistic personality disorders".
   Earlier I had suggested that just one DNA test would reveal a lot. I
hold to that. Alisha had said the Chief of Police (of Omaha or
Lincoln) was the father of her child. He was one of those "distinguishd
citizens". At the time fairly large samples of tissue were required but
now someone could just pick up a used tissue paper after he has blown his
nose and that would likely give a sufficient sample. So let's see whose
story is right on this. But ask Alisha first how sure she is.
FWP

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Subject: Fwd: Urgent recent developments in the Franklin satanic
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 Original Message 
Subject: Urgent recent developments in the Franklin satanic cult/sex/drug ring
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:32:26 -0700
From: Ellen Lacter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

June 28, 2000

Urgent News

Dear Interested Party,

The enclosed report describes in detail:

1. Urgent recent developments in the Franklin satanic cult/sex/drug ring
case, involving a key witness, Russell Nelson, whose life may now be in
danger.

2. Franklin connections to new evidence of corruption linking the FBI,
CIA, some top political figures, missing children, including kidnap
victim Johnny Gosch, CIA MK-Ultra Mind Control, and Iran-Contra.

3. Two June, 2000, arrests of possible CIA American terrorists in Mexico.

4. Notice of the suspicious "suicide" of John Millis, Staff Director of
the House Intelligence Committee, which has received inexplicably little
media attention.

PLEASE REFER TO FIRST PAGE SYNOPSIS

I hope you will CITE THIS, POST IT ON YOUR WEB-SITE, and FORWARD IT  to
other web-sites

I have not copyrighted this.

I want this information to be widely disseminated.


Respectfully submitted,

Ted L. Gunderson
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P.S. I apologize that the e-mail eliminated the page numbers. Please
write to me at my address immediately below for the original report
(Please send $15.00 to cover our copying and postal costs)


RUSSELL NELSON: WILL HE BE KILLED IN OREGON?
OR WILL HE  BE ALLOWED TO DOCUMENT CORRUPTION
 AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT?

KELLY FORD: IS SHE BEING SILENCED IN AN INSTITUTION IN CALIFORNIA?
 OR WILL SHE BE ALLOWED TO RECOVER FROM HER PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAUMA AND
VERIFY REPORTS BY RUSTY NELSON AND HER MOTHER, BRICE TAYLOR
OF HIGH LEVEL GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION ?

(Evidence of corruption linking the FBI, CIA, some top political
figures, the Franklin case, missing children, including kidnap-victim
Johnny Gosch, satanic abuse, CIA MK-Ultra Mind Control, Iran-Contra, and
new arrests of possible American terrorists in Mexico)

Published on the World Wide Web June 28, 2000
in Efforts to Save this Young Man’s Life and To Free Kelly From State
Conservatorship

by Ted L. Gunderson, FBI Senior Special Agent in Charge (Ret.),
California P.I. License # 12878
2118 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 422, Santa Monica, CA 90403-5784
Mail: P.O. Box 18000-259, Las Vegas, NV 89114
(301) 364-2280 or (702) 791-5195; Fax: (702) 791-2906

SYNOPSIS

Russell (Rusty) Nelson: Russell Nelson, central figure in the Franklin
Credit Union scandal (1989 to present), has evidence, including
photographs, that implicates prominent law enforcement and political
figures, including two past U.S. presidents, in crimes of child abuse,
pornography, kidnapping (e.g., missing-child Johnny Gosch), drug
smuggling, money laundering,  illegal campaign financing,  and illegal
activities by the FBI and CIA.  There appear to b

Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Jesus Christ: Quintessential Ewe?

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

Saarinen:
 As for new testament implications, what is Jesus saying when he states
 in KJV NT John 4:22 "... for salvation is of the Jews."?  A clue may lie
 in John 14:6 "... I am the way, the truth, and the life:  no man cometh
 unto the father, but by me."  That is, ultimately Biblical salvation is
 only through Jesus the Christ, Yeshua the Messiah, the "Quintessential
 Jew."

 And who is this type of "Jew?" As Paul ([formerly Saul] of Tarsus, a
 genetic Benjamite, but a certain type of "Jew" in more ways than one [a.
 via Judaism; b. by culture/education; c. via the spirit]) clarifies in
 Romans 2:28-29 "...he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is that
 circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:  But he is a Jew, which is
 one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and
 not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."  This is the
 way Gentiles and "outward" Jews become "inward" Jews.

Given that the Constitutional documents of Israel say the "law of
return" applies only to Jews, do you not think Franklin Poley should have
as much chance to park his ass and camel on a patch of sand and fight
Arabs forever, as Frank Poley?
FWP

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[CTRL] Who is more Ewe-ish, Frank or Franklin?

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Which Poley Can Claim Citizenship in Israel: Frank
or Franklin? 1/2

On Thu, 8 Jun 2000,  wrote:

 Chag Sameach!

 By some incredibly weird coincidence, are you the Frank Poley who was a member
 of Shearith Israel in Columbus, Georgia back in the early 80s?

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Thank you for the information, --. Please give Frank my email address
if you meet him again. Sometimes I encounter people doing Poley
geneological work. Bob Cohen, another of my Internet correspondents has
also provided some interesting information.
FWP
(Learned Elder of Zion)


What would a complete society be like if it were to "do all for the glory of God"? (I 
Corinthians 10:31). What would Canada be like if it were a "Godly Society" functioning 
in this manner?

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[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:58:23 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: [Religionornotnow] Two Witnesses

Listen asswipe. If any shit head "preacher" is going to tell me that a
stinking nation with a PROVEN track record worse than Sodom and Gomorrhah
is "New Jerusalem" I don't need any other "facts".
FWP

On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, John Lee wrote:

 Rabbi,
 Why in the fuck don't you prove Willie wrong? Can you? Hell no, you rant
 and rave like the idiot you are but never offer substantial facts for you
 assumptions.

 John Lee


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 Subject: Re: [Religionornotnow] Two Witnesses


  On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Willie Martin wrote:
 
"And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall
 prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the
 God of the earth." (Revelation 11:3-4)
  
Due to the fact that I sincerely believe that the
   United States of America is New Jerusalem and New Zion
   that was spoken of in the Scriptures,
 
  ha, ha ha, haa filthy anti-christ nation. Sodom South, which murders
  its unborn children by the millions. Sodom and Gomorrhah at least had
  excuses. You have revealed yourself for who you are, Anti-Christ "Pope
  Willie", Quintessential Whore of Babylon the Whore...America.
  FWP
 
   I believe that
   the attempt by our government to destroy Christianity
   in America appears to prove out the thought that these
   two witness in Revelation 11 is the Old Testament and
   the New Testament.
  
That the Jews were able to put on that anti-Christ
   show on ABC last night June 25, 2000 at 8:00 p.m. is the
   sign that the Word of God, the Old and the New Testament
   are being destroyed in Jerusalem (New Jerusalem) as
   the Scriptures foretold.
 
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[CTRL] The Alleged Conversing Computer on BCPOLITICS

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

Is AKC for real? I don't know. COULD it be a computer program using
various aliases? I am 99% sure it could be; and that the
17th. Machine-Learning Conference to be held in a few days will COVER IT
UP. Indeed they won't even ask the question as I have done. If Internet
discussion becomes the medium for the best minds in the citizenry of our
democracies, what happens when even better artificial minds are pitted
against them? We become slaves without even knowing it.
FWP

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:02:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [BCPolitics] [EDTV-Robotics-State-Of-The-Art] [ML] A Challenge for
ICML-2000

But AKC, Jones-Jose-Catweasle-Barry-et-al is way ahead of us! Now what
does that do to the "body politic" of the near future when the
Constitution of Canada is written and rewritten on blank computer screens?
Who can compete in an Internet political debate with a state-of-the-art
computer?
FWP

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Subject: [EDTV-Robotics-State-Of-The-Art] [ML] A Challenge for ICML-2000
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James Gluck
IBM

Dear Mr. Gluck:
   If the Human Genome Project can decipher 3.2 billion pieces
of code, I have to think that it is reasonable to undertake a similar
scale mega-project to decipher the English vernacular. That is what I had
called IBM about a couple of years ago when I first completed a draft of
"Machine Psychology". I think it would take a company as large as IBM to
even get the project started by declaring that it can be done and that an
estimate of the time/funding required would be ?
Sincerely-FWP

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Subject: [ML] A Challenge for ICML-2000

 -- Forwarded message --
 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:19:52 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Kiri Wagstaff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [ML] NLP 1/2

  Actually, Tom, what drives my questions is not understanding = getting it
  but contemplating that all those experts in natural language out there
  (educators, psychologists, linguists etc.) might already "have it". They
  might already KNOW all the rules for first rate conversational ability (if
  they pool their knowledge)...and frankly my opinion right now is that they
  probably already DO 'have it'. I will hold to that opinion until I see a
  detailed example of a situation/scenario/set of circumstances where the
  author is saying...we can't figure out the rules here.

 I have been following this conversation with interest.  Frank, your
 question (as you explain it) implies the assumption that the NLP
 (Natural Language Processing, which often includes NLU and NLG)
 problem *can* be solved by a set of rules.

Yes it does. (BTW, what is NLG? I take it NLU is natural language
understanding). My training and experience tell me language is orderly,
not chaotic. I think those are the only two choices we have: orderly or
chaotic; and a probabilistic/statistical model is not chaotic as
statistics has rules too. I repeat what I posted earlier which is that I
would like to see the detailed presentation of a circumstance in which
humans use words yet the word usage has no rules, ie it is chaotic. I
would like to see it presented well enough that it would be accepted in a
peer reviewed journal (eg one of the phil/psych journals now online). I
think it would be an excellent challenge to the educators, philosophers,
psychologists and linguists who spend life long careers trying to find the
orderliness, ie rules, in word usage. Until I see such a presentation I
will assume that all word usage has rules and I will go one further and
say I assume that the global community of experts could pool its talents
now and SET OUT ALL THE RULES FOR WORD USAGE IN HUMANS.

  This is unlikely to be the
 case.  You can get pretty far with a set of rules (see the Eliza
 program for a very simple example), but it would appear that there is
 a point beyond which rules aren't going to be sufficient.  This is
 where the need for knowledge about the topic of the conversation comes
 in, but the problem goes beyond having a database to access: in order
 to have "human equivalent" language abilities, the computer needs some
 way to comprehend human common sense, emotion, and humor (among other
 things) - all of which are big chall

Re: [CTRL] [BCPolitics] What's central to Jewishness? (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Jose Klingbeil wrote:

 FWP wrote:
 If the teachings of Jesus Christ are valid, then He was "King of the
 Jews" and His followers should have aliyeh rights in Israel.

 Explain that to the Israeli government.

Your wish is my command.

 I'm not the correct person for that.
 When they understand what you are saying, they'll probably hang up on
 you, but you can try. ;-)

 In other words, He was THE "Central Jew" of all time. Understand Jose?

 The hell if I care, the hell if they care. ;-)

A think they do care. I saw a Judge Cohen (ret'd) Supreme Court of Israel
on tv a couple of years ago and he said the Trial of Jesus was a
mis-trial. So the "Evidence That Demands A Verdict" (title of Josh
McDowell's 6 m. copy best seller) should be RECONSIDERED.
FWP

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[CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Jesus Christ: Quintessential Jew (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Jesus Christ: Quintessential Jew

If the teachings of Jesus Christ are valid, then He was "King of the
Jews" and His followers should have aliyeh rights in Israel.
In other words, He was THE "Central Jew" of all time. Understand Jose?

On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Jose Klingbeil wrote:

 FWP wrote:
 You can't even spell, cognitive defective.

 There you reached the bottom, Poley. ;-)))

 The matter of aliyeh rights has
 to do with a congregation claiming the monopoly on being the true
 descendents of the Israelites and Judahites defining who is "in" and who
 is "out".

 Poley, your obsessions are funny. Aliyeh rights are defined by a sovereign
 nation. What has this to do with any personal claim of being or not being a
 Jew ?

 Is Frank Poley, the Jew of Georgia "in" while the FWPster of
 Vancouver is "out"?

 Let both claim your 'rights' and see if one gets them, Poley. I doubt that
 Israeli officials will let Christian bigots like you go in, but you can try.

 So it is a matter of definition in law (laws of
 inheritance) as to who has the right to park their asses and camels on a
 miserable patch of sand and genocide their neighbours to their hearts
 content.

 Fallacy of Straw Man, Poley. The fact is that Arab countries, as allies of
 Nazi
 Germany wanted to genocide Israeli Jews.

 It is not an "operational definition". It is the law of
 Israel.

 And it is operational (meaning it can be applied effectively, stupid).

 Gawdalmighty you are STUPID.

 Jones the Stupid Liar's propaganda finally reached your half-neuron. ;-

 The interpretation of this law is
 100% clear that though someone like Paul/Saul might be a follower of
 Christ and call himself "The Jew of Tarsus", he is excommunicated.

 So ?

 He loses aliyeh rights BECAUSE he is redefined by an erroneous belief
 system translated into unjust law.

 So ? Aliyeh rights are not automatically granted to non-Jews. This law
 favors Jews (as defined in the law), it does not prevent any other from
 emigrating to Israel. So your 'follower of Christ' may still emigrate, as
 anyone from any free country can do. He would probably have much
 less trouble doing so than emigrating to USA or even Canada. ;-)

Repeat: Some 2,000 years ago there was a schism. Jew Group X was
anti-Christ; Jew Group Y (eg Paul, "The Jew of Tarsus") was
pro-Christ. The two groups must have had a close day-to-day interaction
for a long time as the archaelogical supplement of my Bible says there are
600 miles of catacombs beneath Rome and 6,000,000 graves of which 90% are
Christian and 10% are Jewish. But Jew Group Y changed its name after a
time and no-longer called itself "Jewish". The real issue here is which
group is CLOSER TO JACOB/ISRAEL and therefore entitled to make a claim
under some kind of laws of inheritance?

  A visit to your shrink seems necesary, Poley.
 
 I am the shrink of all shrinks.

 Then, they deserve our pity as well. ;-)))

They are a rather pitiful lot. Just watch "Frazier".
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Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Jesus Christ: Quintessential Jew (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Aleisha Saba wrote:

 Dr. Poley:   You going to let that wind bag talk to you like that?

Why not? I won the argument. "Suffer fools gladly seeing ye are wise".
I especially apply that to Pope Willie and John Lee the Baptist.
FWP

 Not once is the word Jew mentioned in old Testament.   Only word that
 comes close is "Ewe" and sometimes he letter J was omitted in some
 alphabet soups ike the K once did not exist.

 Note difference in bibles.   KJV uses Habakkuk, while Douhey Version,
 Catholic, uses Habaccuc.

 So what is in a name?   Well you got to prove that pedigree - and to
 claim land, you got to have the right legal documents signed and
 sealed..get it in writing - so did he King or Queen sign the
 "authorized" versions of the bible?

 Does this make all covenants or contracts binding and if so upon whom.
 No way here Jose.for this is land of free and home of brave and
 Micky Mouse.

 So when the bible was the law essentially - when they landed on the Rock
 in America - all they had in way of law was the bible.

 This is the promised land.belongs to all of us who set foot on the
 soil and claimed same.   Like we landed on moon and put up flag?   Did
 anyone salute?

 So Jomo Kenyatta, a freemason, wanted to restore lost boundaries and
 wanted secular education return, etc., and he worked with Mau Mau

 So its that one big step back?

 Back to jungle . when we tossed out the Kings and Queens, we took
 physical control and left the spiritual stuff to the Church in all
 flavors.

 How binding is a biblical covenant and Clinton just made new covenant
 when elected?

 Therefore his Emergency Orders are binding only so long as he sits on
 his let us say seat of President.

 So St. Paul must have been runnning for public office or something, for
 he well you know that story better than I...his favorite color had
 to be plaid.?

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Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Jesus Christ: Quintessential Jew (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Ray Mutzel wrote:

 At Sunday 06/25/2000 13:11-0700, you wrote:
 The real issue here is which
 group is CLOSER TO JACOB/ISRAEL and therefore entitled to make a claim
 under some kind of laws of inheritance?

 WHO'S issue is it ???

Oh why should 2 b. Christians care if Jesus Christ was indeed "The Lion of
Judah" and "King of the Jews"?
Get real.
FWP


 Certainly not an issue with two billion Christians in this world.
 One need not foist his personal perspective on others under the
 guise of fact.  Doesn't wash here at all, my friend.

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Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Jesus Christ: Quintessential Jew (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

In my best Elvis drawl...Thank you. Thank you vvvery much.
FWP

On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Ray Mutzel wrote:

 EXACTLY . . . Your own words, very succinct, VERY apropos . . .

 "GET REAL"

 -Ray

 At Sunday 06/25/2000 13:50-0700, you wrote:
 On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Ray Mutzel wrote:
 
   At Sunday 06/25/2000 13:11-0700, you wrote:
   The real issue here is which
   group is CLOSER TO JACOB/ISRAEL and therefore entitled to make a claim
   under some kind of laws of inheritance?
  
   WHO'S issue is it ???
 
 Oh why should 2 b. Christians care if Jesus Christ was indeed "The Lion of
 Judah" and "King of the Jews"?
 Get real.
 FWP
 
 
   Certainly not an issue with two billion Christians in this world.
   One need not foist his personal perspective on others under the
   guise of fact.  Doesn't wash here at all, my friend.
  
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Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Jesus Christ: Quintessential Ewe?

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

May I ask what you think the implications of this are? A rose by any other
name is still a rose is it not?
FWP

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 Information  - regarding occurrence of th word Jew (and Jews) in the Old
 Testament King James Version -

 From post it was stated -

 "Not once is the word Jew mentioned in old Testament.   Only word that
 comes close is "Ewe" and sometimes he letter J was omitted in some
 alphabet soups ike the K once did not exist."

 The word "Jew" occurs 10 times in the KJV OT.  The word "Jews" occurs 82 times in
 the KJV OT.

 Est 2:5 (KJV)
 Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Jew, whose name was Mordecai, the
 son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite;

 Est 3:4 (KJV)
 Now it came to pass, when they spake daily unto him, and he hearkened not unto
 them, that they told Haman, to see whether Mordecai's matters would stand: for he
 had told them that he was a Jew.

 Est 5:13 (KJV)
 Yet all this availeth me nothing, so long as I see Mordecai the Jew sitting at
 the king's gate.

 Est 6:10 (KJV)
 Then the king said to Haman, Make haste, and take the apparel and the horse, as
 thou hast said, and do even so to Mordecai the Jew, that sitteth at the king's
 gate: let nothing fail of all that thou hast spoken.

 Est 8:7 (KJV)
 Then the king Ahasuerus said unto Esther the queen and to Mordecai the Jew,
 Behold, I have given Esther the house of Haman, and him they have hanged upon the
 gallows, because he laid his hand upon the Jews.

 Est 9:29 (KJV)
 Then Esther the queen, the daughter of Abihail, and Mordecai the Jew, wrote with
 all authority, to confirm this second letter of Purim.

 Est 9:31 (KJV)
 To confirm these days of Purim in their times appointed, according as Mordecai
 the Jew and Esther the queen had enjoined them, and as they had decreed for
 themselves and for their seed, the matters of the fastings and their cry.

 Est 10:3 (KJV)
 For Mordecai the Jew was next unto king Ahasuerus, and great among the Jews, and
 accepted of the multitude of his brethren, seeking the wealth of his people, and
 speaking peace to all his seed.

 Jer 34:9 (KJV)
 That every man should let his manservant, and every man his maidservant, being an
 Hebrew or an Hebrewess, go free; that none should serve himself of them, to wit,
 of a Jew his brother.

 Zec 8:23 (KJV)
 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men
 shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the
 skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that
 God is with you.

 2 Ki 16:6 (KJV)
 At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave the Jews
 from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath, and dwelt there unto this day.

  2 Ki 18:26 (KJV)
 Then said Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, and Shebna, and Joah, unto Rabshakeh,
 Speak, I pray thee, to thy servants in the Syrian language; for we understand it:
 and talk not with us in the Jews' language in the ears of the people that are on
 the wall.

 2 Ki 18:28 (KJV)
 Then Rabshakeh stood and cried with a loud voice in the Jews' language, and
 spake, saying, Hear the word of the great king, the king of Assyria:

 2 Ki 25:25 (KJV)
 But it came to pass in the seventh month, that Ishmael the son of Nethaniah, the
 son of Elishama, of the seed royal, came, and ten men with him, and smote
 Gedaliah, that he died, and the Jews and the Chaldees that were with him at
 Mizpah.

 2 Chr 32:18 (KJV)
 Then they cried with a loud voice in the Jews' speech unto the people of
 Jerusalem that were on the wall, to affright them, and to trouble them; that they
 might take the city.

 Ezra 4:12 (KJV)
 Be it known unto the king, that the Jews which came up from thee to us are come
 unto Jerusalem, building the rebellious and the bad city, and have set up the
 walls thereof, and joined the foundations.

 Ezra 4:23 (KJV)
 Now when the copy of king Artaxerxes' letter was read before Rehum, and Shimshai
 the scribe, and their companions, they went up in haste to Jerusalem unto the
 Jews, and made them to cease by force and power.

 Ezra 5:1 (KJV)
 Then the prophets, Haggai the prophet, and Zechariah the son of Iddo, prophesied
 unto the Jews that were in Judah and Jerusalem in the name of the God of Israel,
 even unto them.

 Ezra 5:5 (KJV)
 But the eye of their God was upon the elders of the Jews, that they could not
 cause them to cease, till the matter came to Darius: and then they returned
 answer by letter concerning this matter.

 Ezra 6:7 (KJV)
 Let the work of this house of God alone; let the governor of the Jews and the
 elders of the Jews build this house of God in his place.

 Ezra 6:8 (KJV)
 Moreover I make a decree what ye 

Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Eagle 1 wrote:

 May I add...
 Jesus was rejected by the Pharisees' temple cult of darkness. In fact, Jesus
 said: "This is your hour and the power of darkness." (Luke 22:53) Regardless
 of how many may try, no one will ever be able to apply this identification
 of the overspreading of the abomination desolation over the Temple and
 Jerusalem to anyone else. Jesus was crucified by these same ones who took
 Him. (Luke 22:52-54)

 Regardless of how hard many try, the evil deed of rejecting and plotting the
 murder of Jesus can never be attributed to Rome Imperial or Rome Papal.
 Regardless of how hard some deny it, the Apostles always accused the
 Phariseees of this wicked and evil deed (Acts 2:23; 3:14-15; 7:52; 1
 Thessalonians 2:15; James 5:6). The Romans were trapped into this murder by
 the Sanhedrin and coercing Pilate with threats of reporting him to Rome for
 allowing another man in the Roman Empire to be called a King. The Romans
 were never blamed by the Apostles for the death of Jesus.

 eagle 1

That is a well written essay, Eagle 1. I have been on the L-Torah list for
a couple of years now and I can't find anything in the New Testament which
would be in conflict with the Torah. So 2,000 years ago there was a Jewish
schism. One faction made a big mistake. The other carried on deeming Jesus
Christ to be the "Prince of the Prophets". The Anti-Christ/Talmudic
faction was pre-eminent in the holocaust of 66 million in Russia and
neighbouring countries (up to 1957 according to Solzhenitsyn). J2's point
that "real Jews don't worship a man" doesn't hold water. Followers of
Christ do not worship the man any more than people going to a temple or
synagogue worship the physical structures there.
FWP

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 Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed


  Your response illustrates my contention exactly.  The Roman rulers of
 Palestine had the final say in all executions, it is a historic fact.  The
 Jews could not condemn anyone, it had to be the Roman legal system that did
 it, so Pilate could not wash his hands.  There is no historical evidence of
 there ever being any practice of allowing people to be freed for Passover or
 any other holiday, prisoners stayed in prison or were executed, never
 released because people wanted it.  Jesus was a prisoner of the Romans, not
 the Jews.  Jesus was killed by Roman soldiers, on the orders of Roman
 rulers.  But if you want to believe the Pharisees or anyone else was at
 fault be my guest.
 
 





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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Jewish Denial of Holocaust Survivor's Story

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

Is it just coincidence that the usual footer was left off this post? Maybe
you should change it to : "Holocaust denial VERBOTEN unless done so by
Jews/Semites; although of course other holocausts/genocides can be
denied; unless it is a leap year, babble, babble" Then it will all be
clear.
FWP

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Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: [Religionornotnow] Re: [demand] Oath of Office (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Subject: Re: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: [Religionornotnow] Re: [demand] Oath of
Office

John:
  You are an idiot and you have an idiot for a preacher on
religionornotnow..."Pope Willie". Neither of you would know a true
Christian "Culture X" to save your souls so don't talk to me about "true
Christians" (below) or for that matter, false "Jews". You got kicked off
CTRL more for your stupid and bigoted disinformation campaign than
anything else. It sure as hell wasn't because of your wit, you
half-wit. Reminder to you (and Pope Willie) that head transplants are on
the way...Good News! (see below).
FWP

On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, John Lee wrote:

 Come on, David,
 Can't you do better than this? For crying out loud, you're talking like
 a two year old, just had her ass spanked, pussy.

 John


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 Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 8:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: [Religionornotnow] Re: [demand] Oath of
 Office


 
  Dear FWP - I do believe that your "several years" buddy, honky Pinko
  FemiNazi little John is what Aussies would call in the vernacular, a total
  "Fuckwit" - that is of course, if he could produce a semblance of 'wit'.
 
  It does further appear he is somewhat envious of the Jewish spawn, not
  having the wherewithal to produce any honky spawn himself!
 
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  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 7:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: [Religionornotnow] Re: [demand] Oath of
  Office
 
 
   Rabbi,
   The reason I started calling you Rabbi several years ago was because
  you
   preach the jewish bullshit more often than not. It makes me wonder what
  you
   are up to when you do that because a true Christian knows better. But
  then,
   true Christians are damned far between. Most that claim to be, like
  Falwell,
   are but liars and thieves; you know this as well as I do. True
 Christians,
   such as Christian Israel, know the jews ARE NOT the chosen people of the
   Holy Bible. According to the Holy Bible, JEWS are the spawn of the
 Devil.
   But why, with my half of a brain, do I bother with you, Rabbi? You mix
   copper and zinc and come short a true penny weight. With all of your
   supposed intelligence, you really surprise me, but I should know better
  than
   to be surprised by anything you say. You play both ends against the
  middle,
   hoping, it seems, to gain favor with jews while you sometimes act like a
   christian. In short, Rabbi, stick to robots. They just might teach you
   something.
  
   John Lee
  
  
  
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   Office
  
  
Putting the insults and gibberish aside there is an important issue
here. If government officials don't know what their oaths of office
 mean
how can they expect the public to know what their oaths mean when they
  go
to court? Recently one of the directors of the political party I lead
("Party of Citizens") went to court and when he was presented with a
  Bible
to take an oath "so help me God" he said, "Hold on. Which God are we
talking about here?" This made the judge very angry.
   Maybe it wasn't the right time or place to deal with this issue but
somebody has to. This is especially important for Canada where the
 very
Constitution has a foundation clause which reads in part "...Canada is
founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God" Which
  God
are we talking about here?
   It is not a frivolous question. F

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Jewish Denial of Holocaust Survivor's Story

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

Now is that nice...? And I was just trying to be helpful and constructive
so that you might make the bias/prejudice of this list a little more
"sophisticated". But you took the bait, didn't you?
FWP

On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Kris Millegan wrote:

 FWP, you might just start using your head for more than a hatrack and your
 foot as more than a tongue depressor. On fowarded posts there is never "the
 usual footer" . . . just a trigger for your psychoses to overflow?

 MHO
 Om
 K
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 In a message dated 6/23/00 9:54:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Is it just coincidence that the usual footer was left off this post? Maybe
 you should change it to : "Holocaust denial VERBOTEN unless done so by
 Jews/Semites; although of course other holocausts/genocides can be
 denied; unless it is a leap year, babble, babble" Then it will all
 be
 clear.
 FWP
 -
 Aloha, He'Ping,
 Om, Shalom, Salaam.
 Em Hotep, Peace Be,
 All My Relations.
 Omnia Bona Bonis,
 Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
 Amen.
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Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, tenebroust wrote:

 On Thu, 22 June 2000, Nicky Molloy wrote:

 
  Tenebrous you spend nearly every day attacking people's beliefs and lately
  you have attacked me non stop, no matter what I post. You are generalising
  saying the 'Catholic Church' did this or that. What you mean is individuals
  in the Catholic Church in this place and time did murder these people. You
  can't say 'ALL CHRISTIANS' either. What do you think we are on this planet -
  sheep all thinking  alike? Grab some history books please and learn to
  differentiate between what has occured in history by individuals who were in
  particular religions at the time.
 
  Catholics, in my opinion are not Christians, they follow the Virgin Mary I
  know I was brought up as one. She has just been voted in as Co Regent with
  God. So don't preach the hype, you are a product of your beliefs when young.
  I never believed Catholicism ever, no matter how many times it was rammed
  down my throat. It is possible to be an athiest even if you were
  indoctrinated year after year and this goes for other people.
 
  People can be Mormons, Baptists and many other religions and still not
  absorb the lies. You don't allow anyone to be 'freethinking' you are trying
  to indoctrinate with your vague generalisations about Christians, Catholics,
  Jews and now even 'White Europeans'. Go buy yourself the history of the
  world on CD and get some homework done please. Try not the get the English
  (UK) produced version either, that's biased as well. Better still travel to
  Europe and see that people are all different, and then maybe you won't
  divide Italians, Irish, French, Spanish into one umbrella - "Catholics" and
  come and tell us Catholics did something when I was in Europe so all are
  responsible.

Branding all members of a group the same will seldom (but sometimes) be
valid. But describing groups as "generally this way" or "ocasionally that
way" etc. is a valid WAY to proceed in our understanding of
society. Whether the actual data, etc. put forward is valid or not is
another matter. In the early post-1917 years the study of both individual
and group differences in the USSR was PROSCRIBED BY LAW because it is such
a powerful discipline and this knowledge was to be held only by the
Jewish/Semite genocidalists. I initially had a section on these laws in my
1976 text, "Individual Differences" but my New York Jewish/Semite
co-author or publisher (not sure which) had it taken out!
FWP

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Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, tenebroust wrote:

 There is a good reason that the only writers which comment on this issue are 
Christian, and not Islamic, or Buddhist, etc.  It's because the whole subject is 
invented by, and propagated by CHRISTIANS.  No other group gives a damn.  I do not 
want to see anyone here attacking other list members BELIEFS.  You are totally free, 
and have my blessing, to believe what you will.  I, and everyone else here is free to 
challenge information brought here.  The Talmud business, the Protocals, etc., are 
all part of a systematic concocted "history" that has been perpetrated by the 
Catholic Church, and other prominent European (and now American) groups to place the 
"Jew" in the context of evil, cheapskate, cheat, etc.  This has led to and been used 
to kill and imprison them, as well as take their land and property.
 Sadly they aren't the only group to be so affected, just the one that most 
consistently is targetted, because they haven't yet been wiped out (despite many 
attempts to do so) like the others (Cathars, Anabaptists, etc.).

No attacking of beliefs you say...but you can attack the beliefs of
Christians even though you can't prove with certainty that they espoused
those beliefs. Did the ADL pay you to post this?
FWP


 On Wed, 21 June 2000, Nicky Molloy wrote:

 
  Josh,
 
  You've hurt my feelings now, to think I'm in your tribe too. So we take it
  that you endorse the Talmud then? I'd like to know why it isn't available in
  the public library, I think we all know why. Perhaps I could find some
  better writings on the Talmud, written by Jews. Would that appeal? I
  wouldn't want you to think I was only writing the Christian view.
 
  Perhaps the Kaballa? If I send something on that written by Christians would
  you say I particularly am deluded?
  Ahh if I send something on the Protocols written by a Christian will you
  also cut me down?
 
  I'm not particularly looking for Christian writers but bud you are
  outnumbered in USA. the chances of finding someone other than a Christian
  writer on this is slim. I have never seen a Moslem, Buddhist, Hindu ever
  take the trouble to write on these tabu subjects. Yet you particularly enjoy
  slandering Christians and Christianity and that's supposed to be Ok tarring
  everyone with the same brush.
 
  I posted it because it makes a change from always hearing bad things about
  Christianity and I thought it may be valuable to some. I'm not anti Jewish.
  Even some Jews don't know what's in the book. Just pick out what you want
  and leave the rest, if you don't then you are reduced to not sending stuff
  and commenting endlessly and tediously on those people's that do send..Its
  getting like a flock of seagulls pouncing on a tidbit to tear a piece for
  themselves.
 
  My posts are generating too many arguments. I haven't got time to pander to
  people's egos, its just information. I am interested in religious views of
  all kinds among other things.Pick on someone yer own size you big bully!
 
  Nicky
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Date: Tuesday, 20 June 2000 03:07
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
 
 
  Nicky Molloy wrote:
  
   Talmud Exposed
   http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmud.htm#Talmud Exposed
   --
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   http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/natural.htm
  
   Contents:
   The Talmud is Judasim's Holiest Book
   Some Teachings of The Jewish Talmud
   Insults Against The Blessed Virgin Mary
   Talmud Attacks Christians
   Christian Book Burning
   Sick and Insane Teachings of the Jewish Talmud
   Tales of a Roman Holocaust
   A Revealing Admission
   Pharisiac Rituals
   A Great Rabbi Deceives A Woman
   Genocide Advocated by The Talmud
   Jewish Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews are Not Humans
   The Teachings of Maimonides
   Deception and Dissimulation
   Judean-Christian Response to The Talmud
  
   The Talmud is Judaism's Holiest Book
 
  Wrong! No Jew who ever lived thought that. EVER!
 
   The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its
   authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism.
 
  Wrong! No Jew in all of history ever thought that.
 
   Evidence of
   this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My
   son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in
   the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."
 
  Total bullshit.
 
   The supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also
  be
   seen in the case of the Black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians have more
  knowledge
   of the Old Testament than the Israelis.
 
  Wrong! The Talmud is only studied by the ultra ortodox. Just about everyone
  in
  Israel has studied the actual Bible because the Bible is Jewish national
  history and part of school studies in the same way we 

[CTRL] ADL Conspiracy

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

New report “Behind the mask of Respectability” exposes the hidden agenda of
the Anti-Defamation League.

New York, New York, June 21, 2000 … A new report released this week by the
National Organization For European American Rights (N.O.F.E.A.R.) entitled
“Behind the Mash of Respectability: The truth about the Anti-Defamation League
of B’nai B’rith” exposes the ADL as the most dangerous organization in country
working to end free speech in America.

The Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, or ADL for short, presents itself
as an organization against ethnic, racial or religious intolerance. Its very
name suggests that it opposes "defamation."

In reality, the Anti-Defamation League is an organization that supports Jewish
ethnic and religious supremacy, and relentlessly "defames" anyone who dares to
point out its own hypocrisy. While supposedly opposing ethnic segregation and
ethnic superiority, the ADL supports Israel and international Zionism, which
promotes not a vision of a "multi-cultural," "multi-ethnic" Israel, but of a
"Jewish state." That state is openly dedicated to the advancement of the
Jewish religion, culture, and even the genetic preservation of the Jewish
people. This is, of course, the very opposite of the policies it proposes for
our American nation.

The new report exposes ADL links to organized crime, murder and death squads,
a massive spy ring used to gather information on left and right wing groups,
and the ADL’s role in promoting thought crime laws and Internet censorship.

“With a budget of 60 million dollars a year, and with the help of a friendly
media, the ADL has become the number one lobby for thought crime laws in
America,” said Vincent Edwards, National Community Relations Director for
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Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

The Christian Science Church in USA has long been attacked because of its
religious beliefs re "faith healing" leading to a long string of
convictions. These attacks come from the political-legal establishment and
many other cults and religions have also been attacked by due process of
law for their beliefs and practices.
FWP

On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Eagle 1 wrote:

 tenebroust said,
 I do not want to see anyone here attacking other list members BELIEFS. 

 I couldn't agree more...  However,
 shouldn't that be clarified further to include a more indepth definition...?
 For we all believe something,  even if it is disbelief,  because we all post
 articles,  comments,  and opinions,  regularly.  What I'm saying is,  the
 definition here, that I'm *assuming* you are trying to get across,  is that
 you
 do not want to see people attacked for their RELIGIOUS or SPIRITUAL BELIEFS?
 Correct me if I'm wrong in this...

 BUT,  there is still a loophole;  for all religious beliefs and tenents,  if
 taken seriously, are a way of life for those people who do.  It is not
 opinion or
 comment,  but rather when they disagree,  they would be contending for their
 beliefs.  As a Christian,  I am instructed to 'contend' for the faith...
 (Jude v3).
 To sit back and say nothing is worse, in my opinion,  than attempting to
 expose,  what I would believe, is a lie.

 To censor someone for their religious beliefs,  and disallow them to
 comment,
 is like saying,  it's okay for you to perfectly agree with the homosexuals
 agenda (using this strictly as a scenario), but because I may disagree
 because
 of my religious or spiritual beliefs.  I am to say nothing???   Am I not
 allowed
 to contend for my beliefs,  because it infringes on YOUR rights to believe a
 certain way,  but not for me?
 With this I totally disagree.

 tenebroust also said,
 The Talmud business, the Protocals, etc., are all part of a systematic
 concocted "history" that has been perpetrated by the Catholic Church, and
 other prominent European (and now American) groups to place the "Jew" in the
 context of evil, cheapskate, cheat, etc.

 This is simply not true...
 Judah has wrongly taken the rap for those who "say" they are Jews (God's
 chosen)
 for hundreds of years...   There is more than religiosity involved in this.
 You must
 calculate the number of the beast...  The word calculate in the Greek means
 to 'ennumerate the smooth stones over a long period of time'.  The only way
 to calculate this is to follow the bloodline and historical record.  You can
 find
 easily in the Hebrews history of the Chronicles where there are those who
 came in as bedouines and took over the bookkeeping,  the scribeship,  and
 the priest duties...  By Jesus' time,  they were known as Pharisees,  and
 continue today in various communities and cultural statures.
 THESE have also taken on the title "JEW"  when they
 actually have no inheritance, heritage or bloodline to sustain their claim.
 These are those that are spoken of in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9...  "those who
 say they are Jews,  but are not..."   Once you find out WHO these are,  you
 can clearly see how,  over the past,  that Christians have mistaken
 and stereotyped these in with the true Jews and how the confusion has come
 around to the present day.  True Jews of the tribe of Judah have been blamed
 for way too much evil and cataclysmic atrosities!!!

 If you want to blame someone for propagating this information, go to the
 priests, preachers and teachers...  they are the ones who teach ignorantly
 and
 continue to keep the pot stirred and boiling.  I suppose this is why it is
 taught in
 Ezekiel ch 34 that God will start his judgment in the pulpit,  with the
 shepherds...

 People need to do their homework and find out just exactly WHO they are
 speaking of here...   and quit believing lies and gossip.   Jews of the
 tribe
 of Judah *ARE innocent* as charged.   But tell me...  how do you tell the
 tares
 from the wheat?  While maturing,  or coming of age,  one cannot tell,  and
 this is why the lessons were taught throughout the gospels to leave the
 tares
 alone.

 I have absolutely nothing against the true Jews of Judah...  and am actually
 very sympathetic with their plight.  But,   it is written that there were
 those
 who came in and took their identity and claim to be Jews,  but are not.
 THESE are those that we should be concerned about,  and when the truth
 comes out in the end...  I believe that you will find that even these false
 ones
 are the very ones who wrote the protocols...  and started all the other
 ugliness
 regarding the Jews,  so as they could develop a sympathy and blend in to
 absorb that sympathy they created.  And yes,  there is also blood on the
 Catholic Church's hands regarding some of this...  but the blame cannot
 be placed completely there.  They too,  by utilizing certain religious
 tenents
 and by brainwashing have their congregation believing that their faith is
 the
 only 

Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, tenebroust wrote:

 I attack no beliefs, I only let these groups actions speak for themselves.  The 
Catholic Church (not ALL Christians) have murdered millions over the years, as have 
White Europeans.  It is just a fact.  I present it to illustrate the true enemies of 
free thinking and free living man, and it isn't the Jews.


Do you agree that the genocide in the USSR which began in 1917 under a
Jewish-dominated Government accompanied by the abortion holocaust in that
region is also fact?
FWP



 On Thu, 22 June 2000, Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:

 
  On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, tenebroust wrote:
 
   There is a good reason that the only writers which comment on this issue are 
Christian, and not Islamic, or Buddhist, etc.  It's because the whole subject is 
invented by, and propagated by CHRISTIANS.  No other group gives a damn.  I do not 
want to see anyone here attacking other list members BELIEFS.  You are totally free, 
and have my blessing, to believe what you will.  I, and everyone else here is free to 
challenge information brought here.  The Talmud business, the Protocals, etc., are 
all part of a systematic concocted "history" that has been perpetrated by the 
Catholic Church, and other prominent European (and now American) groups to place the 
"Jew" in the context of evil, cheapskate, cheat, etc.  This has led to and been used 
to kill and imprison them, as well as take their land and property.
   Sadly they aren't the only group to be so affected, just the one that most 
consistently is targetted, because they haven't yet been wiped out (despite many 
attempts to do so) like the others (Cathars, Anabaptists, etc.).
 
  No attacking of beliefs you say...but you can attack the beliefs of
  Christians even though you can't prove with certainty that they espoused
  those beliefs. Did the ADL pay you to post this?
  FWP
 
  
   On Wed, 21 June 2000, Nicky Molloy wrote:
  
   
Josh,
   
You've hurt my feelings now, to think I'm in your tribe too. So we take it
that you endorse the Talmud then? I'd like to know why it isn't available in
the public library, I think we all know why. Perhaps I could find some
better writings on the Talmud, written by Jews. Would that appeal? I
wouldn't want you to think I was only writing the Christian view.
   
Perhaps the Kaballa? If I send something on that written by Christians would
you say I particularly am deluded?
Ahh if I send something on the Protocols written by a Christian will you
also cut me down?
   
I'm not particularly looking for Christian writers but bud you are
outnumbered in USA. the chances of finding someone other than a Christian
writer on this is slim. I have never seen a Moslem, Buddhist, Hindu ever
take the trouble to write on these tabu subjects. Yet you particularly enjoy
slandering Christians and Christianity and that's supposed to be Ok tarring
everyone with the same brush.
   
I posted it because it makes a change from always hearing bad things about
Christianity and I thought it may be valuable to some. I'm not anti Jewish.
Even some Jews don't know what's in the book. Just pick out what you want
and leave the rest, if you don't then you are reduced to not sending stuff
and commenting endlessly and tediously on those people's that do send..Its
getting like a flock of seagulls pouncing on a tidbit to tear a piece for
themselves.
   
My posts are generating too many arguments. I haven't got time to pander to
people's egos, its just information. I am interested in religious views of
all kinds among other things.Pick on someone yer own size you big bully!
   
Nicky
   
   
   
   
-Original Message-
From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, 20 June 2000 03:07
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
   
   
Nicky Molloy wrote:

 Talmud Exposed
 http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmud.htm#Talmud Exposed
 --
--
 
 http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/natural.htm

 Contents:
 The Talmud is Judasim's Holiest Book
 Some Teachings of The Jewish Talmud
 Insults Against The Blessed Virgin Mary
 Talmud Attacks Christians
 Christian Book Burning
 Sick and Insane Teachings of the Jewish Talmud
 Tales of a Roman Holocaust
 A Revealing Admission
 Pharisiac Rituals
 A Great Rabbi Deceives A Woman
 Genocide Advocated by The Talmud
 Jewish Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews are Not Humans
 The Teachings of Maimonides
 Deception and Dissimulation
 Judean-Christian Response to The Talmud

 The Talmud is Judaism's Holiest Book
   
Wrong! No Jew who ever lived thought that. EVER!
   
 The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its

Re: [CTRL] Mind Reading Machine, TIME- JULY 1, 1974

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

This research seems very advanced at first, but I was doing EEG
biofeedback in a  mental hospital in the 1970's and it was considered as a
rather routine procedure even then. You train the patient to recognize the
association between particular EEG patterns and states of consciousness
(eg relaxation). When the patient is successful it means that person is
actually controlling the machine as well as the brain waves. For example
the alpha waves associated with relaxation might turn on a light or
tone. Today the control over such brain waves is then used to control a
cursor. No difference except that what science is going for now is much
greater control over machines by thought control. It gets rather spooky if
you project it to its ultimate state of development.
FWP


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 Subject: [CTRL] "Mind Reading Machine," "TIME"- JULY 1, 1974

 "TIME MAGAZINE" (JULY 1, 1974- page 37)

 "MIND-READING COMPUTER"

 The experiment looks like some ingenious test of
 mental telepathy. Seated inside a small isolation
 booth with wires trailing from the helmet on her head,
 the subject seems deep in concentration. She does not
 speak or move. Near by, a white-coated scientist
 intently watches a TV screen. Suddenly, a little white
 dot hovering in the center of the screen comes to
 life. It sweeps to the top of the svreen, then
 reverses itself and comes back down. After a pause, it
 veers to the right, stops, moves to the left,
 momentarily speeds up and finally halts - almost as if
 it were under the control of some external
 intelligence.

 In fact, it is. The unusual experiment, conducted at
 the Standford Research nstitute in Menlo, Park,
 California, is a graphic display of one of the newest
 and most dazzling breakthroughs in cybernetics.* It
 shows that a computer can, in a very real sense, read
 human minds. Although the dot's gyrations were
 directed by a computer, the machine was only carriying
 the orders of the test subject. She, in turn, did
 nothing more than think about what the dot's movements
 should be.

 Brainchild of S.R.I. Researcher Lawrence Pinneo, a 46
 year-old neurophysiologist and electronics engineer,
 the computer mind-reading technique is far more than a
 laboratory stunt. Though computers can solve
 extraordinarily complex problems with incredible
 speed, the information they digest is fed to them by
 such slow, cumbersome tools as typewriter keyboards or
 punched tapes. It is for this reasons that scientists
 have long been tantalized by the possibility of
 opening up a more direct link between human and
 electronic brains.

 [Brain Waves]

 Although Pinneo and others have experimented with
 computer systems that respond to voice commands, he
 decided that there might be a more direct method than
 speech. The key to his scheme: the
 electroencephalograph, a device used by medical
 researchers to pick up electrical currents from
 various parts of the brain. If he could learn to
 identify brain waves generated by specific thoughts or
 commands, Pinneo figured, he might be able to teach
 the same skill to a computer. The machine might even
 be able to react to those commands by, say, moving a
 dot across a TV screen.

 Pinneo could readily pick out specific commands. But,
 like fingerprints, the patterns varied sufficiently
 from one human test subject to another to fool the
 computer. Pinneo found a way to deal with this problem
 by storing a large variety of patterns in the
 computer's memory. When the computer had to deal with
 fresh pattern, it could search its memory for the
 brain waves most like it. So far the S.R.I. computer
 has been taught to recognize seven different
 commands-up, down, left, right, slow, fast and stop.
 Working with a total of 25 different people, it makes
 the right move 60% of the time.

 Pinneo is convinced that his barely passing grade can
 be vastly improved. He foresees the day when computers
 will be able to recognize the smallest units in the
 English language-the 40-odd basic sounds (or phonemes)
 out of which all words or verbalized thoughts can be
 constructed. Such skills could e put to many practical
 uses. The pilot of a high-speed plane or spacecraft,
 for instance, could simply order by thought alone some
 vital flight information for an all-purpose cockpit
 display. There would be no need to search for the
 right dials or switches on a crowded instrument
 pannel.

 Pinneo does not worry that mind-reading computers
 might be abused by Big Brotherly governments or overly
 zealous police trying to ferret out the innermost
 thoughts of the citizens. Rather than a menace, he
 says, they could be a high-civilizing influence. In
 the future, Pinneo speculates, technology may well be
 sufficently advanced to feed a computer directly back
 into the brain. People with 

Re: [CTRL] SNET: Semitic Celts

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

A honky by any other name is still a honky.
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Re: [CTRL] SNET: Semitic Celtic Mother Fuckers

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, David Sutherland wrote:

 Say FWP? - I thought that honky Pink Swatsika got the boot from here (g)

 Homosexuality in the Nazi Party
 http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/pinkswastika/index.html

 I see his kicked Nazi ass is still stinging on your forum FWP!

Heil, General (John) Lee - Stupid honky mo fo doesn't realize that AOL
will allow you to

SHIT ON ALL THAT IS HOLY AND DECENT,

eg

Call the Virgin Mary a cheap whore which is the OFFICIAL POSITION OF
"ISRAEL" and Vatican, Inc. but

"Because filth and blasphemy was the way of AOL and all of its
Hitlerian-Stalinist 'lists'. Verily, verily."
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The beat goes on.

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Re: [CTRL] SNET: Semitic Celtic Mother Fxxxxxx

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Kris Millegan wrote:

 Please Mr. Foley, let us keep the headers "decent."

 Thank-you.

 Om
 K

You are welcome, Om. IMe and Bender (my alter ego) are about to go out and
wash our mouths out with soap. And don't worry, Big Guy. We know that any
filthy and blasphemous scatological shit and crap and desecration is AOK
with CTRL as long as it doesn't deny THE holocaust (the only genocide that
matters to Babylon the Whore). So  "we" will abide by the rules of AOL.
...as will the "made-in-usa whores" like Grahams, Dobsons, Flawells, Pope
Willies, Van Imps, Hagees et albut for different reasons.
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Re: [CTRL] Talmud Unmasked

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, tenebroust wrote:

 Ah, yes.  Written by a Roman Catholic priest, so this is GOSPEL, eh?  What a bunch 
of tripe.  There is as much of a conspiracy to "get everyone else", in any other 
group, including Christians, whose own teachings condemn non-believers to an eternity 
of suffering.
 Pure drivel.

"Give us something better, bung hole."
-I Beavis and Butt-Head 7:11

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 On Tue, 20 June 2000, Nicky Molloy wrote:

 
  Subject: Talmud Unmasked
 
 
  Index to Talmud Unmasked
  http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmudx.htm#Talmud Unmasked
  http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/natural.htm
 
  The Secret Rabbinical Teachings Concerning Christians
 
  By
 
  Rev. I. B. Pranaitis
 
  Roman Catholic Priest; Master of Theology and Professor
  of the Hebrew Language at the Imperial Ecclesiastical
  Academy of the Roman Catholic Church
  in Old St. Petersburg.
 
  St. Petersburg
  Printing office of the
  Imperial Academy of Sciences
  1892
 
 
  
  
 
  ANTIPHONE
  PROLOGUE
  DESCRIPTION OF THE TALMUD
  SOURCE
  PART ONE
  THE TEACHING OF THE TALMUD CONCERNING CHRISTIANS
  CHAPTER I - JESUS CHRIST IN THE TALMUD
  Article I. - CONCERNING THE NAMES OF JESUS CHRIST
  Article II. - THE LIFE OF CHRIST
  Note About The Cross
  Article III. - THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST
  CHAPTER II - CHRISTIANS IN THE TALMUD
  Article I. - The Names Given to Christians in the Talmud
  Article II. - What the Talmud Teaches About Christians
  Article III. - Christian Worship
  PART TWO
  PRECEPTS OF THE TALMUD CONCERNING CHRISTIANS
  CHAPTER I - CHRISTIANS ARE TO BE AVOIDED
  Article I. - Christians Unworthy to Share With Jews
  Article II. - Christians Are Unclean
  Article III. - Christians Are Idolaters
  Article IV. - Christians Are Evil
  CHAPTER II - CHRISTIANS ARE TO BE EXTERMINATED
  Article I. - CHRISTIANS TO BE HARMED INDIRECTLY
  I. By not helping them
  II. By interfering in their work
  III. By deceit in legal matters
  IV. By harming them in things necessary for life
  Article II. - CHRISTIANS ARE TO BE HARMED DIRECTLY
  1. Renegades to be killed
  2. Apostates
  3. Princes, especially the Prince of Rome (the Pope) to be exterminated
  4. All Christians to be killed
  5. Killing a Christian is an acceptable sacrifice to God
  6. Heaven promised to those who kill Christians
  7. A Christian may be beheaded on the most solemn festivals
  8. The Messiah expected will be revengeful
  9. Jewish prayers against Christians
  10. Christian prayers for the Jews
  11. Objective of Jewish prayers is the destruction of Christianity
  12. Jews pray for a revengeful Messiah
 
  .../PART ONE
  .../PART TWO
  .../Back to Index
 
 
  
  
 
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Re: [CTRL] SNET: Semitic Celtic Mother Fuckers

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Go and kiss a few more of the world's most poisonous snakes, "Down Under"!
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, David Sutherland wrote:

 ROTFLMAO

 Whops! Sorry! Forgot -  this a serious list!!!

 Well i see what you mean -  the honky "general" must be quite "eclectic" in
 his tastes ... takes it from ALL SIDES ... (ggg)

  he's still in search of his Gnostic "Mysteries", even for the WORLDS
 SMALLEST MAN, possibly an "alien" they "speak" to ... contained in the
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Re: [CTRL] SNET: Semitic Celtic Mother Fxxxxxx

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On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
 
  On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Kris Millegan wrote:
 
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[CTRL] Verbose Idiocy Exposed, was Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Aleisha Saba wrote:

 I think the most important statement attributed to Jesus the Christ, was
 "beware of those who say they are Jews and are not".   Zionists - are
 these those who say they are Jews and are not?

There are Mormon Zionists, Lutheran Zionists and Evangelical-Protestant
Zionists. Some have their own churches designated as Zionist
churches. When is this bunch of narrow-minded, bigoted know-nothings on
the right who post the same tired old lines as we see, going to learn?
In the same Chapter of Rev. you are told to beware those who say they are
Apostles (Christians) and are not. Like who? How about Pope Willie The
Idiot?
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Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed

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On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 Wrong! The Talmud is only studied by the ultra ortodox. Just about everyone in
 Israel has studied the actual Bible because the Bible is Jewish national
 history and part of school studies in the same way we learn about American
 history in schools here.

Especially the New Testament part of the Bible!
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[CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] A Light Unto The Nations...Contested. (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] "A Light Unto The Nations"...Contested.

 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:08:38 EDT
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 Subject: Some Jews Who Converted To Christianity

 You may forward this to any lists if you want to.

 I suggest/perceive that immigration  citizenship rights, laws  rules are
 arbitrarily   subjectively applied. Israel's laws are seemingly as
 capricious  confused as any, perhaps more so than  the norms of other
 nations-States-Countries.

"Officially", from the Constitutional documents I have read, Israel is
first and foremost to be a haven for those defined as "Jews". However, I
like the slogan better, ie "A Light Unto The Nations". I think it should
be put to a contest, sort of a "God's Chosen People" contest or "Who is
Numero Uno?"

 Israeli poster Hannah Weiss indeed has the best
 take on this phenomena as I've encountered. It would be neat if she would
 respond to your solicitation for participation. She is passionate and
 articulate.

Her material is scholarly.

 One ought not be too shocked  super-critical by Israel's inconsistencies 
 contradictions.

I'm not. I just think it was premature. The Soviets offered the
Jews/Semites an autonomous region in the far east. They should have taken
it for a dry run before instigating 50 years of war in the Middle East.
If that had succeeded they could have "cashed out" and moved on. After
all, a shekel is a shekel even if it is called a ruble.

 If it were up to me:  IMHO: The aspect of "persecution" 
 "discrimination against" for being considered a "jew" (whether religious or
 not), genetic  (whether "semitic" or not) has to be the raison d'etre for
 full welcome admission to modern Israel.

The persecution here is not primarily against Jews/Semites. They are the
subculture most protected from even criticism. The most hated subculture
in Canada-USA are those who believe the teachings of Christ, ie TRUTH, or
as the Romans said "Veritas odium parit". And the gaggle of churchocratic
parasites paraded on CBC's "Moral Divide" are not the real McCoys. They
don't have what it takes, from RC's to Salvation Army. As Jesus Christ
said, "You will be hated of all people". When the Grahams or Wojtylas
stand before huge adoring crowds are they "hated of all people"? I rest my
case.
   It is easy to prove by social-psych study that followers of Christ are
most hated in Canada. It is easy to prove that Jews/Semites are almost
immune even from scholarly critism.

 The over-riding religious  folk culture  cannot be dismissed. Jews are not
 born as sterile intellectuals 
 agnostics  cynics  skeptics  agnostics.

You forgot "atheists". Somewhere here I have a quote from Golda Meier
lamenting the difficulty of national cohesiveness when some 30% of
Israelis were atheists. Is that the spiritual legacy which Jacob/Israel
wanted passed on? Would Jacob/Israel grant aliyeh rights to White Atheists
(as some of these people are)?

 "Jews," whether mostly secularized
 or not, exist in a World full of competiting theologies  philosophies 
 ethno cultures.

Well, you know what Mao said on this.

 For instance: IMHO: Most "real Jews" are proud of HATIKVAH, the Israeli
 national anthem.

 It sounds a lot like the Czech Smetna's symphonic MOLDAU (sp?) (i think).
 When I heard it in MUSIC APPRECIATION 231, I was kinda shocked. When I heard
 the ancient Roman Catholic GREGORIAN CHANTS, I may have initially identified
 it as
 Hebrew prayer chanting.

 Furthermore: I observe a whoie lot of Islamic affectations in Hebrew prayer
 service, or is that Hebrew affectations in Islamic prayer services (?).

 There is a  universal human element in incantations to deity(ies).

They started to teach us Gregorian Chants during my short career as an
Anglican choir boy:

"O' come ye Immanuel,
O' come ye to Israel"

But don't ask me to sing/chant it!

 Last sentence but not least: You cannot get it out of your mind that  the
 original dichotomy of Jewish theology versus the Christian theology is the
 KEY differentiation.

OK, I'll accept that this is so. Now, all you, Hannah, Yair Davidy et al
have to do is provided a REASONED explanation as to why
"Antichristism" which began with the arrival of Jesus Christ is
justified. Or, as the De Sola Poole Traditional Jewish Prayer Book says,
"Judaism has never called for an unreasoned faith". CONVINCE ME that the
Antichrist position is more reasonable and you win. I think I've heard
about all the Semite/Jewish arguments there are. Surprise me!

 The "Jews For Jesu

[CTRL] [BCPolitics] re Light Unto The Nations Contested... (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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or "Who has the mandate of heaven?"
FWP

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Subject: [Chineseproverbs] "Mandate of Heaven"

Does anyone know the origin of the above Chinese saying?
FWP


[Moderator's note: Hello - it is an interesting question in Confucianism, so though it 
is not a proverb, per se, I'd like to offer a quick note. 'Tianming' is the Chinese, 
and it plays an important role in government in ancient China. Essentially 'Heaven' 
bestows its authority on a human being (a 'tianzi' or 'wang' or 'jun') to rule the 
empire, and instigates changes in rulers when the former ceases to upholding his 
reverence for, and virtues of, his forefathers; the mandate implies acting humanely 
towards the ruled peoples, and reducing their overall hardships.

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Re: [CTRL] The Jewish Plan

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, Nicky Molloy wrote:

 Well FWP you could be right there. Someone has to be top dog and Judah was
 the chosen son to produce the royalty of this planet according to the Bible.
 HOWEVER it is just a matter of defining who exactly is tribe of Judah now.
 We know European royalty is from King David and no doubt some of those
 middle eastern royals could be too. If we read the Protocols of Zion it says
 throughout -The Seed of David only has the right to rule this planet.Not
 necessarily officially Jewish.

  However I think we can tell that the Rothschilds (plus other banker buddies
 from former Babylonian bankers)  is the top dog with half the gold in the
 world etc but (we think) they have a little something extra in their genes
 which would make poor Jacob turn in his grave. Something a little scaley.

 Brit - Am and the Northern Ireland section of British Israel are good
 buddies too. I think other sections of the "Seed of David" and the other
 tribes of Israel will get together to rid the world of that Jewish imposter
 Rothschild. DNA testing will do it i.e. bring together people who will now
 claim to be 'the' chosen of Israel. Once it comes out that each of the 12
 tribes can be proved genetically we may even get world peace. Then we won't
 get Jews putting themselves apart hopefully. They are just the same as
 everyone else genetically apart from a predominance of blood type B. Though
 I do think the tribe of Levi have been kept especially apart.

  That Jewish entertainers list is laughable. It is obvious that many are
 half breeds even less. Lenny Kravitz is Jewish, Indian and black.

He is also Christian according to a radio interview with him I heard a few
years ago. Bob Dylan is another Jewish-Christian. But the Jewish
Establishment excommunicates them as soon as they convert. However, they
could convert to atheism and not be excommunicated. How do you figure
that? J2 for example says he is White and Atheist. But he can step off a
plane in Israel and immediately becomes a citizen of Israel entitled to
park his ass (or camel) on the sand and fight Arabs forever.
   A great puzzlement. Do you think this is what Jacob/Israel had in mind?
FWP


 Don't
 forget how many Jews were converted by the Spanish or who changed to
 Christianity right from the time of Jesus. There would be tribe of Judah
 over every square inch of the planet now genetically, but they've forgotten
 their own origins.Now do we need to call 'Jews', those with a little blood
 like Elvis, who is said to be also part Hawaiian. Its crazy.(shrug)

 Nicky


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 On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

  John Lee wrote:
  
   Josh,
   Keep it coming! Every White and every other race needs to know how
 you
   jews think.
 
  No. They need to know how YOU think. Thanks for helping out.
 
   What surprises me is, you continue to promote you hatred of
   other races and especially Whites
 
  I don't hate other races at all. And I am white you moron. What I am not
 is
  a white (Jewish.N) supremacist.

 Don't you think someone has to be Top Dog (or Top D-g if you prefer)? Who
 should it be?
 FWP

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Re: [CTRL] Offensive' words are history, says British college

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

I think this is an excellent idea. We used to have a booklet on good
speak, bad speak and no speak (ie "Totem and Taboo in North Bongo
Bongo") issued under Multiculturalism Minister Jerry Wiener. Long, long
ago (when Barney Frank was just a little Fairy and Jerry was just a little
Wiener) Canada/USA were very different countries and we didn't think we
needed such guidelines. But every culture has such a code. Levity aside I
think it is something which we should have in the utmost detail so we all
know where matters stand. Gosh, I wonder...when it is all set out who will
be at the top of the totem and who will be at the bottom of multicultural
Bongo Bongo North. And what kind of caricatures will the wood carvers
give us while avoiding political incorrectness?
FWP

On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, Carl Amedio wrote:

 `Offensive' words are history, says British college

 By MARTIN BENTHAM
 LONDON
 Tuesday 13 June 2000

 A British college has banned the use of more than 40 "offensive" words and
 phrases including "normal couple" and "slaving over a hot stove" under equal
 opportunities rules that staff and students must follow.

 Stockport College, in Greater Manchester, has also outlawed "taking the
 mickey" (anti-Irish), "history" (sexist), "lady" and "gentleman" (have class
 implications).

 Among the groups that college officials said could be offended are women,
 homosexuals and ethnic minorities.

 Students are also told not to risk upsetting the mentally ill through the use
 of words such as "mad", "manic" and "crazy".

 Meanwhile, the expression "slaving over a hot stove" is ruled to be
 inappropriate because it "minimises the horror and oppression of the slave
 trade".

 To ensure that its rules on language are followed, the college, which has
 15,000 students aged from 16, says that it "will make it a condition of
 service and admission that employees and students adhere to this policy".


 But Nick Seaton, the chairman of the Campaign for Real Education, condemned
 the guidelines.

 "They should be concentrating on teaching their students, instead of trying
 to ban words, which any ordinary person would regard as an everyday part of
 the English language," he said.

 The college guidelines, titled Equal Opportunities - Policy into Practice,
 concedes that concern over language can go "too far".

 But it gives a warning that it is easy to create offence.

 The use of "normal couple" is questioned, with the guidelines asking: "How do
 you define normal?"And the words "queer" and "cripple" are banned, except
 where homosexuals and disabled people have "reclaimed" them.

 Richard Tuson, a college spokesman, insisted that the use of appropriate
 language was important.

 "We vigorously pursue an equal opportunities policy and we try to be as
 politically correct as possible, without being tedious," he said.

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Re: [CTRL] 'Rapists Should be Punished with Full Force of Law'

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

Why? It's just another "sexual orientation" isn't it?
FWP

On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, MICHAEL SPITZER wrote:

 [Too bad the Secret Service won't allow questions about this.  --MS]



 Newsmax-Inside Cover

 Tuesday June 13, 2000; 12:30 AM EDT

 Hillary: 'Rapists Should be Punished with Full Force of Law'

 First Lady Hillary Clinton has yet to say whether she believes
 Arkansas businesswoman Juanita Broaddrick, who leveled a rape
 accusation against the president last year.

 But on Monday Mrs. Clinton said it should be a "national
 priority" to see that men who commit sexual assault, rape and
 other forms of domestic violence are tracked down and punished
 with the full force of the law.

  The first lady spoke out in support of Congressional
 reauthorization for the Violence Against Women Act at an event
 she hosted at the White House:

  "One million women are stalked each year," said Mrs. Clinton.
 "And when women are still being raped and assaulted more than
 300,000 times in 1998 alone, our job is far from done. I don't
 believe law enforcement yet has the resources needed to track
 down and to punish those who hurt women with the full force of
 the law."

  In a dramatic interview with NBC's Lisa Myers broadcast two
 weeks after the Senate acquitted the president on Sexgate
 impeachment charges, Broaddrick said Clinton accosted her in a
 Little Rock hotel room in April 1978, pushed her down on the bed,
 ripped her clothing and bit her lip until she submitted to the
 assault.

  The Clinton rape accuser said she remained silent for 20 years
 because she thought no one would believe her.

  Mrs. Clinton's remarks on Monday echoed that concern:

  "For centuries of domestic violence, women suffered in silence.
 But now that is no longer the case. But we cannot permit our
 country to take s step back. We must reauthorize the Violence
 Against Women Act so the message goes out loudly and clearly:

 "Make no mistake about it, this is still a national priority that
 we intend to keep focusing on and pushing until we see that every
 woman has the protection she needs and law enforcement has the
 resources they require and protective orders actually protect
 women."

  In Arkansas, Mrs. Clinton was among the country's earliest
 crusaders against gender related violence and is credited with
 establishing the state's first rape crisis hotline.

  Six women have accused the president of making unwanted sexual
 advances, including Broaddrick, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey and
 flight attendant Cristy Zercher. A Little Rock lawyer who asked
 Clinton biographer Roger Morris not to identify her said the
 president sexually attacked her in 1978, "biting and bruising her
 in the process."

 A six victim, who also requested anonymity, told Newsweek
 reporter Michael Isikoff that Clinton sexually assaulted her in
 the Oval Office. Isikoff documented the incident in his 1999
 book, "Uncovering Clinton."

  In the book Isikoff raised questions about a seventh possible
 assault victim, former Miss America Elizabeth Ward Gracen, who
 has acknowledged a consensual one night stand with the
 then-Arkansas governor in 1983. But the Newsweek reporter
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 which he described as "rough."

  Gracen friend Judy Stokes has said the beauty queen came to her
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Re: [CTRL] The Jewish Plan

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 John Lee wrote:
 
  Josh,
  Keep it coming! Every White and every other race needs to know how you
  jews think.

 No. They need to know how YOU think. Thanks for helping out.

  What surprises me is, you continue to promote you hatred of
  other races and especially Whites

 I don't hate other races at all. And I am white you moron. What I am not is
 a white supremacist.

Don't you think someone has to be Top Dog (or Top D-g if you prefer)? Who
should it be?
FWP

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Re: [CTRL] The Jewish Plan

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

With all due respect, is there a place here for detailed discussion of
whether your statement below holds up to the scrutiny of intelligent and
fair minded people?
FWP

On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, tenebroust wrote:

 I don't want to censor anybody.  This list will NOT, however, be a discussion list 
for how bad the Jews are or for the dissemination of any racist diatribes.  No one 
who has as their agenda the villification of any race, or group of people as a WHOLE 
for whatever there is as problems in society or in your own personal circle has any 
place here, putting out their ridiculous bullshit.
 As I have said before and will say again.  There are Jews who do evil, there are 
blacks who do evil, there are gays who do evil, and guess what?, there are plenty of 
WHITES and plenty of ARYANS, and plenty of others on that list as well.  Are SOME of 
them involved in the various conspiracies that we all are talking about?  YES, 
without a doubt, but take your "the whole (insert preferred culprit race, or 
nationality, or religious group here) are evil and need to be stopped" crap and ram 
it.  It has no place here.  You wanna talk about the USS LIberty, then go ahead.  But 
you might want to ask what the hell we were doing there interfering in the first 
place.  You wanna talk about some of the evil Jewish men who have done evil bad 
things in history or who were involved in conspiracies, or are currently involved, 
then please do.  But I have had enough of the villification of a whole group of 
people based on what some obscure Rabbi says sometime.  Give us all a break.  If you 
do decide to post something about real Jewish conspirators, while your at it why 
don't you round up all the names of good old white European Males who are involved in 
conspiracies to enslave ALL of us, regardless of creed, etc.  I bet the list is a 
hell of a lot longer than the Jewish one.  I don't want any villification of any 
entire group of people, that includes Jews, Blacks, Gays, Women, Whites, White Males, 
Aryans, or whatever.  None of them are "all in on it".


 On Sun, 11 June 2000, Aleisha Saba wrote:

 
  I agree here but then why is it some insidious assholes like ADl and
  Morris Dees are permitted to put all White Christian Men virtually, all
  Moslems, and  Militias, and anyone with whom they disagree, on a Hit
  List?
 
  Dare not call this conspiracy?   No this is big time money.  ADL and
  Dees thrive upon hatred and they are not to be challenged for their
  actions?
 
  Was John F. Kenned and little John John and the Princess of Wales and
  Dodi Fayed - were these people on Mossad list?   Will Mossad murder
  Clinton physically not that they got him character wise - not that he
  had much character going in.
 
  Anti Semite?   European Zionism wants all that oil.   Day we go into
  solar energy and other means to survine on this planet, no more fighting
  between jews, christians, or moslems.
 
  All Quiet on the Eastern Front.   But you say again we sit back and see
  our country torn apart, going through the sixty period again - our
  President to be elected told he will be murdered, while Diane Feinstein
  sits in wings waiting for blessed hand to be placed on shoulder for Vice
  President.
 
  Hey look to the Mayor out their in California and Jonestown -
  Feinstein's stepping stone - he alegiance to Russian Zionismand then
  dare to say Conspiracy.
 
  My family had friends on the Arizona and the USS Liberty - a
  relative.old family names like Carpenter and Welsh and - well all is
  well that ends well.
 
  Dare we not wonder why Klebold of Jewish Mafia family - dare we not
  question why he killed 12 christian children in fireor why he and
  his little friend wanted to blow up entire block killing over 200 kids
  and teachers?
 
  And JDO still maintains neo nazis did this?
 
  Buford Neo Nazi - really, had all his  little literature neatly in
  place
 
  People have a right to discuss anything they wish.   Where there is
  smoke there is fire.
  So Barney Frank is Jewish - and Janet Reno is of Danish descent - does
  that make all queers and lesbians of this extraction.
 
  You do not like what you begin to read delete it.
 
  Our Israelie friends tried to sink the Liberty and murder everybody on
  board to cover their crime - this ship was in INTERNATIONAL
  WATERS.OH remember Holocaust of 55 million people, but forget USS
  Liberty?
 
  I get sick of the holocaust shit.  In particular when I visit Arlington
  Cemetary where friends are buried who died for their country and some of
  whom wre murdered, cause of death - killed by oh so friendly fire, and
  napalmed
 
  If Israel gets into any more trouble with their bullishness and
  admitting how they will murder anyone whom they feel a threat.well,
  now I see truth closer and closerJFK was threat to Russian Mafia
  Jewish Meyer Lansky.they said aim for the head - let tail alone.
 
  And we are told this is 2000 - and a 

Re: [CTRL] re God Part of the Brain

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

In my first reply to the Vatican re its call for papers, I drew their
attention to Silverberg's script on "Robopope" titled "Good News From The
Vatican". It is in "Machine Psychology". (Silverberg of course is an old
Irish name. It used to be O'Silverberg). But in all fairness it could also
be "Roborabbi".
FWP

On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
 
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  Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: [Robot-for-President] Health-Care Applications
  of Robotic Interlocutors ?
 
  On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, L Misek-Falkoff wrote:
 
   2. But for all my intellectual interests in computational matters, I am most
   hopeful that eg. the Emotional Categories of Elliot, can have Health Care
   ramifications. E.g. a reactive interlocutor (discussant) which can convey
   *caring* as well as hold a *conversation.*  Can you suggest links?
 
  I hope Paolo Braccini will soon have a web site up for the Vatican
  Conference on "Architecture of the Mind/Architecture of the Brain" (Sept
  6-8, 2000 AD). I would expect it to deal with the status of the
  "psyche" in an era of developing robots simulating complete psychological
  systems. So far we have seen a "call for papers" for this conference. As
  soon as I have a URL, I will circulate it on the net.
 Is there much difference between rule, algorithm and law? Paolo knows
  the Summary of the Law. When Jesus was asked to say which commandment is
  greatest, He gave the Summary of the Law. "Love God with all your heart
  and soul and mind and strength" If we call that an 'algorithm', it
  must be the algorithm of all algorithms. How can we even 'relate' to the
  Creator of billions of stars x billions of galaxies (just for
  starters)? How can we relate to a Creator we don't see or hear or touch?
  Yet, to the extent that this "love for God" is real, the Vatican must know
  how it is to be expressed.
 If love can be expressed, can it not then be simulated in a robot? Is
  there any aspect of this love which cannot be expressed and programmed?
  Now, let's combine that with the notion that "Quantum Robotic Controllers
  MUST Be Conscious" as we were discussing with Terry on this list. Does the
  Summary of the Law apply to humanoid robots?
 There is a Bjork music video titled "All Is In Love". It depicts two
  humanoid robots kissing and caressing. Even though the robots are
  deliberately shown as having gears and wires and so on behind the
  fascades, the fascades themselves are so realistic that I empathized with
  them immediately. I was rather "touched" by the scene. Yet the
  expressive/emotional features of the robots weren't much more advanced
  than what I've seen on ed tv for some Japanese humanoids under
  development.
 This Vatican Conference is indeed timely...and "vitally" important for
  the future of humanity on this planet.
  FWP

 Nah not really Poley. Most of the world doesn't really give a shit about
 what the Vatican thinks and does anymore. This is a good thing considering
 its past history.

 As for Robot Love, well...

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[CTRL] Poleymics of a Multi-Poley World, 1/2 (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Which Poley Can Claim Citizenship in Israel: Frank
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On Thu, 8 Jun 2000,  wrote:

 Chag Sameach!

 By some incredibly weird coincidence, are you the Frank Poley who was a member
 of Shearith Israel in Columbus, Georgia back in the early 80s?

--

Thank you for the information, --. Please give Frank my email address
if you meet him again. Sometimes I encounter people doing Poley
geneological work. Bob Cohen, another of my Internet correspondents has
also provided some interesting information.
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[CTRL] Poleymics of a Multi-Poley World, 2/2 (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Which Poley Can Claim Citizenship in Israel: Frank
or Franklin? 2/2

On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Jose Klingbeil wrote:

 FWP wrote:
 Try an honest answer for once, Jose.

 When will you stop beating your wife, Poley ? Try a honest answer
 for once. ;-)

 You know damned well that what
 Harris, Jones and I have been asking has to do with the attributes of
 Jews/Semites other than a lot of bs.

 What f... attributes are you speaking about, Poley ?

I asked the question. What is the answer? To be satisfactory, that answer
would also explain why these characteristics justify the "laws of
return" (aliyeh rights) which are the very CONSTITUTIONAL FOUNDATION OF
ISRAEL. Otherwise, you could have a bunch of bed-sheet-wearing,
cross-burning yahoos from Hayden Lake Idaho rushing into the Holy Land to
claim the "nation of their ancestors". We wouldn't want that, would we?
I mean we have to know if it is Frank Poley or Franklin Poley who is the
"Real Israelite". Should I both ask the question and give the answer?
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Re: [CTRL] [Religionornotnow] Israel's Assassination Policy

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

Ahhh Grasshoppers, I ask you, "And what is the assassination policy of
Tibet?"
Master Fang Wang

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Re: [CTRL] Jew Watch - Jewish Entertainment

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, David Sutherland wrote:

 Yeah - you missed honky John Lee-otard - he's quite the mauvais
 plaisanterie, the wannabe Jesuit turned wannabe Nazi, and of course his
 three stooges - Adolf, Benito, Franco, and their side-kick the hilarious and
 fun loving Fascist dope - pope pius XII.

You missed Master Fang Wang, Honky Mo' Fo', Chosenite King Franklin the
First and Leaned Elder of Zion, Upholder of the Royal Finger

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[CTRL] Master Fang Wang...Upholder of the Royal Finger says...

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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...who HAS the Royal Finger? Is it Conrad-the-Magnificent, Prince of
Toronto? Mayor Gooniani of Jew York? Dr. Jones, Dr. Jones...calling
Dr. Jones?  Or is is KING FRANKLIN THE FIRST OF FALSE CREEK?

FWP

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[CTRL] [canada-votes] Re: Congratulations for Methodical Thinking! (fwd)

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Dear Richard,

Thank you very much for taking time out to write to
me.

 I notice that independents feature largely in your
 organisation and would
 like
 to remind you that the Cambridge, Mass.-type voting
 system is the only
 one to proportionally represent Independents, as
 well as party candidates.

I would very much appreciate if could briefly tell me
about Cambridge type voting system, or perhaps give me
a reference that would tell me about the same.

I think one of the main purpose of the list-serves on
electoral reforms is to discuss pros and cons of
different PR system. One thing that I am glad to note
is that among those who seem to know even a little bit
about PR, there is no doubt in their mind that PR is
better than FPTP. So we no longer need to spend too
much time on the need for replacing FPTP by a PR
system - most people seem to agree on that. However,
for the uninitiated, it would not hurt to some times
delve into justification of replacing FPTP by PR.

On the question of which kind of PR is the best one,
it seems to me, it will be difficult to resolve.
Innumerable combinations of various types are
possible. Today one type may appear to be clear
winner. Tomorrow another type may appear to be
unbeatable. Besides, theory may say one thing, and
practice may give different results. I think it would
be best to convince the agencies of change to accept
flexible attitude towards change. There need not be
one and the same kind of PR at various levels and in
various regions. Let hundreds of flowers bloom and
evolve towards better and better ones.
==


 As you know, systems using list counts all
 undemocratically discriminate
 against any candidate standing as an individual.
 And, in truth, what are we
 all but individuals, who deserve respect as such,
 whether we belong to a
 party
 or not?

An individual standing by himself or herself is
equivalent to a new party with its new manifesto. This
independent person could allow other people to join
hands with him or her and contest the election on the
basis of the same manifesto. In such a case, the
individual is just like a party. Now, just because
this person does not allow others to contest the
election on the basis of same manifesto, we can't
think of it to be different from a party, and think of
him or her as being discriminated against. However,
one can think of variations list-PR system wherein
such discriminations may be eliminated. In my next
letter in a few days I would be discussing those
variations. I would then appreciate comments about the
same from you.
==

 With respect to your world PR rally schemes, I'm
 reminded of how the
 British government of the day responded to a mass
 petition for PR.
 The PM merely dismissed it with a comment to the
 effect that the petition
 amounted to no practical proposal.

World PR rally would have two purpose. (1) One is to
put pressure on various governments towards a PR
system, no matter what kind, any kind of PR is far
superior to the archaic FPTP system. Once we have some
kind of PR, I think it may not be difficult from one
kind to a better kind. The biggest hurdle is getting
off the FPTP. (2) There are unbelievably large number
of people in the countries with FPTP who do not know
anything about PR. They have no idea of any other kind
of voting system. I did not know anything about it
until 1993. It is important to bring PR to their
attention, and to get them to understand pros and so
called cons of the same. A world rally for PR will
bring PR to the notice of all. Once people come to
know about PR, I think it would not take too long to
convince them to be pro-PR.

From the point of view of applying pressure on the
government to make a change, I think massive rallies
have much greater impact than mass petitions.
Particularly think of a "World Rally". Barring
observations of "Environment Day" on world wide basis,
which not many people oppose, I am not sure if a world
rally has been organized to demand a substantial
change in the form of governments. Even in the
countries that already have PR, sympathy rallies could
be organized in support of PR all over. Else they
might prefer to rally for what they might consider to
be a better PR than their existing one. I think a
"World Rally for PR" (WRPR) would really make us
realize how this world has shrunk into a small
village!
==


 One of the weaknesses of the electoral reform
 movement was that they could
 not agree on a system. After putting off 

[CTRL] re God Part of the Brain

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: [Robot-for-President] Health-Care Applications
of Robotic Interlocutors ?

On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, L Misek-Falkoff wrote:

 2. But for all my intellectual interests in computational matters, I am most
 hopeful that eg. the Emotional Categories of Elliot, can have Health Care
 ramifications. E.g. a reactive interlocutor (discussant) which can convey
 *caring* as well as hold a *conversation.*  Can you suggest links?

I hope Paolo Braccini will soon have a web site up for the Vatican
Conference on "Architecture of the Mind/Architecture of the Brain" (Sept
6-8, 2000 AD). I would expect it to deal with the status of the
"psyche" in an era of developing robots simulating complete psychological
systems. So far we have seen a "call for papers" for this conference. As
soon as I have a URL, I will circulate it on the net.
   Is there much difference between rule, algorithm and law? Paolo knows
the Summary of the Law. When Jesus was asked to say which commandment is
greatest, He gave the Summary of the Law. "Love God with all your heart
and soul and mind and strength" If we call that an 'algorithm', it
must be the algorithm of all algorithms. How can we even 'relate' to the
Creator of billions of stars x billions of galaxies (just for
starters)? How can we relate to a Creator we don't see or hear or touch?
Yet, to the extent that this "love for God" is real, the Vatican must know
how it is to be expressed.
   If love can be expressed, can it not then be simulated in a robot? Is
there any aspect of this love which cannot be expressed and programmed?
Now, let's combine that with the notion that "Quantum Robotic Controllers
MUST Be Conscious" as we were discussing with Terry on this list. Does the
Summary of the Law apply to humanoid robots?
   There is a Bjork music video titled "All Is In Love". It depicts two
humanoid robots kissing and caressing. Even though the robots are
deliberately shown as having gears and wires and so on behind the
fascades, the fascades themselves are so realistic that I empathized with
them immediately. I was rather "touched" by the scene. Yet the
expressive/emotional features of the robots weren't much more advanced
than what I've seen on ed tv for some Japanese humanoids under
development.
   This Vatican Conference is indeed timely...and "vitally" important for
the future of humanity on this planet.
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Re: [CTRL] The Jewish Plan

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Aleisha Saba wrote:

 ...are you saying John Lee is a Nazi

 Have you ever read one word of Klebold coming from a jewish mafia
 associated family?  Did you know some say Klebold a jewish kid was a neo
 nazi?  Do you know KGB formed KKK's in this country and used one for
 Walker spies?

What if John Lee is a Jewish Nazi in disguise? According to Encyclopedia
Britannica (under 'fascism' as I recall), Jews were among the early
leaders of fascism in Europe of the 20's and 30's.
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Re: [CTRL] The Jewish Plan

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 POLEY

 Still alive? Too bad.

 How did I know this subject would flush you out? And I dooo mean flush.

The PROOF! There is a Jewish Plan...an insidious proctological conspiracy.
FWP
(LEZ)


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 Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
 
  On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Aleisha Saba wrote:
 
   ...are you saying John Lee is a Nazi
 
   Have you ever read one word of Klebold coming from a jewish mafia
   associated family?  Did you know some say Klebold a jewish kid was a neo
   nazi?  Do you know KGB formed KKK's in this country and used one for
   Walker spies?
 
  What if John Lee is a Jewish Nazi in disguise? According to Encyclopedia
  Britannica (under 'fascism' as I recall), Jews were among the early
  leaders of fascism in Europe of the 20's and 30's.
  FWP
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Re: [CTRL] Yemeni Martians Fight For Secrecy!!!

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

Please tell me: Is there a parallel between these people saying they are
Martians and the rightful heirs to Mars and the "Jews" or "Semites" saying
they are the rightful heirs to the lands of the Ancient Israelites?
FWP
(Learned Elder of Zion)

On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, William Shannon wrote:

 London Telegraph Reports "Martians' Arab heirs fight NASA over Pathfinder
 Spacecraft"


 London Telegraph Reports "Martians' Arab heirs fight NASA over Pathfinder
 Spacecraft"
 Yemeni Men Claim They Own Mars, Their Ancestral Home
 Aisling Irwin, the London Telegraph Science Correspondent, reported Wednesday
 that a lawsuit has been filed against NASA "to prevent it revealing any more
 details about conditions on Mars."

 It seems that three men, from Yemen claim that they own Mars and that their
 permission should have been sought by NASA before the US Pathfinder
 spacecraft landed on July 4 and released a buggy called Sojourner which has
 been testing the planet's rocks and soil, sending back photos which reveal a
 landscape as inhospitable as the Arizona desert.

 The Yemeni men, Adam Ismail, Mustafa Khalil and Abdullah al-Umari say,
 apparently with a straight face, that Mars was the home of their ancestors
 thousands of years ago, the Al-Thawn weekly newspaper reported.

 The men want NASA to suspend releasing the results of any further
 explorations, and any information about the Martian atmosphere, surface or
 gravity, until the court case is over. In documents presented to Yemen's
 prosecutor general, the men claimed: "We inherited the planet from our
 ancestors who lived on it 3,000 years ago."

 Just think. If we Americans had known about this sooner we could have save
 millions of dollars. Instead of sending Pathfinder to Mars, we could have
 just asked Adam, Mustaf and Abdullah to tell us all about their ancestral
 home.

 In spite of this remarkable revelation, the Telegraph observed, "NASA showed
 no sign of suspending its activities yesterday announcing that the soil on
 Mars is made up of a silt that is finer than talcum powder."

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: 'Cash register' Li Ka-Shing

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

"Poly Technologies, Inc." an arms company owned directly by the Chinese
army? What did I tell you about that Multi-Poley World?
FWP.

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[CTRL] The Conspiracy to Balkanize BC...then the Domino Effect....

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

and maybe even Texas will be liberated!

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Subject: [BCPolitics] Pacific Island Nations...BC First Nation Support?

And what about Vancouver Island, Queen Charlottes etc. Aren't they part of
the Pacific Island Community of Nations? Seems to me these First Nations
would be willing to support a bid by First Nations in BC to enter the UN
General Assembly...especially if prominent Non-FN BC'ers like David Ingram
keep saying the whole province was STOLEN from FN's. BTW, what is Green
Party platform on FN Sovereignty?
EE/LWP

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Subject: Solomon Islands coup

From ABC News Online at http://www.abc.net.au/news/default.htm

Unconfirmed reports suggest Solomon Islands coup attempt

Reports are beginning to emerge of another possible coup attempt in the
Pacific, this time in the Solomon Islands.

Australian Foreign Affairs officials have heard similar reports, but are
still unable to confirm them.

However, callers to the ABC say a militia group called the Eagles [Malaita
Eagle Force] have put armed men on to the streets of the capital, Honiara.

The militia is also said to have taken the Prime Minister hostage, along
with an unspecified number of other people.

Where the hostages are being held and what the demands of their captors are
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Re: [CTRL] Conspiring Toward a Multi-Poley World

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Sun, 4 Jun 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 Aleisha Saba wrote:
 
  Mr. Poley:  I see you are Ph.D.  What do you think of this speed of
  light being broken,

I think it is a good idea. I am all for it.

 like sound barrier which produced really nothing but
  big booms in the sky and fast planes going no where.

Exactly

  So, speed of light; does this mean Beam Me Up Scottie is here and
  someday we will travel to Venus on a beam from the sun or moon?

I'm communicating with you from Pluto, right now.

  A. Saba
  Dare To Call It Conspiracy

 Dear A. Saba,

 In Poley's case PHD stands for Phoney Horse Doctor.

That Prehensile Hebonics Director
(Rabbi) FWP.

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[CTRL] Conspiring Toward a Multi-Poley World

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Subject: Re: [BCPolitics] Re: Everything You Wanted To Know About Jews But
Were Afraid To Ask

On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Barry Schwartz wrote:

 I never said anything about Semites.  I was talking about Jews and
 non-Jews, and I simply put them into separate groups.  I put them
 there.  That made them different.

What!!! If I have a big bag of randomly mixed, multi-coloured marbles and
I arbitrarily divide them into two bags, that makes them different? Great,
great, great grandpa Shlomo Poley would roll over in his grave.
Now maybe if you, Barry, sprinkle one group with "pixie dust" they will
differ. Otherwise

 Incidentally, we don't call it Hebonics, we call it Poleymics.

I hope it is not too "Poleymical" but this is after all, a "Multi-Poley
World" ever since Yeltysn's announcement and I have to say that until
"Jews" stop referring to their enemies with that piece of semantic
pollution, "antisemite", we should refer to them as "semites". Meanwhile,
thanks to Bob Cohen's sleuthing the "Saga of Shlomo Poley" continues on
the net. Bob discovered the Semite Poley branch of the family. Great,
great, great...grandpa Shlomo Poley invented the bagel, founded the
University of Khazaria and wrote the Protocols of the Learned Elder of
Zion. Now there's a semite for you!
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Re: [CTRL] Physical evidence of Alien Abduction.

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote:

 No evidence of 'Alien Abduction' [sic] at all.

 Evidence perhaps of some sort of phenomenon which fuses common silicates
 commonly found in household dust into glassy bulbs.  But it tells us
 nothing about what CAUSED it.

Maybe what we have here is evidence of alien 'poop'.
FWP.

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[CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Bush on Life: What is Life? (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Bush on Life: What is Life?

First the philosopher Fang Wang said "What is life"? And how would we know
if a homo sapiens in the Whitehouse is any more alive than robo sapiens in
the Whitehouse? After all, an Artificial Life Form can exhibit more vital
signs than Bush, Gore and Buchanan put together...and MUCH more
intelligence. "Robot-for-PresidentNOW!" I say.
FWP.

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Subject: [RightToLife] Judie Brown Asks G.W. Bush to Clarify His Position
on Life

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/000531/dc_all_bus.html

Wednesday May 31, 9:04 am Eastern Time

Company Press Release

SOURCE: American Life League

Judie Brown Asks George W. Bush to Clarify His
Position on Life

WASHINGTON, May 31 /PRNewswire/ -- Speculation about George W.
Bush's pro-
life stance is increasing this week, as his decision on a running mate draws
nearer.
Others who claim to be pro-life are already satisfied with Bush's stance on
abortion.

Some contend that with the future makeup of the United States Supreme
Court at hand, a Bush White House would
protect the nation's legislative powers, usurped by Roe v. Wade, from further
erosion by the Court. Others contend
that Bush is the lesser of two evils, the greater evil being his opponent, Al
Gore.

``I do not totally agree with any of these statements,'' Judie Brown,
president of American Life League, wrote today in a
personal letter to Bush. ``While you take a pragmatic posture that allows for
children to be killed in some cases, Gore
never met an act of abortion he didn't like and says so. But the fact is that
both of you sanction the killing of innocent
babies in the womb.''

Brown pointed out that on Bush's web site, he states that ``all children
should be welcomed into life.'' However, Bush
admits a number of exceptions to abortion and continues to avoid the
essential issue of personhood.

``It occurs to me, Governor Bush, that perhaps you might make one
fundamental point rather than the continued flow
of rhetoric,'' Brown wrote. ``If it is true that you consider yourself to be
pro-
life ... then perhaps you should define who
you mean when you talk about children.''

Brown asked Bush to re-evaluate his position by considering three
questions:

1)  Do you know that a human being-a person-exists at conception
(fertilization)?

2)  Do you recognize that a person is always and in every case equally
valuable?

3)  Do you truly think that the act of abortion kills a person just like
you?


``If you answer these three questions in the affirmative,'' Brown wrote,
``then
why don't you articulate your view that to
be pro-life is to recognize the person in law, in public policy, and in the
culture? This would mean NOT saying that you
discriminate against children because of rape, incest or alleged threats to
the life of the mother.''

Judie Brown is president of American Life League, the nation's largest pro-
life educational organization with more than
367,000 supporting families.

SOURCE: American Life League


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[CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Wang's Wisdom: Faster than Light, 1/2 (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:13:04 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Wang's Wisdom: Faster than Light, 1/2

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Subject: [Htech] Light Exceeds Its Own Speed Limit, or Does It?

Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:18:52 -0700
From: "Scott, Mark I" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Light Exceeds Its Own Speed Limit, or Does It?

By JAMES GLANZ

The speed at which light travels through a vacuum, about 186,000 miles per
second, is enshrined in physics lore as a universal speed limit. Nothing can
travel faster than that speed, according freshman textbooks and conversation
at sophisticated wine bars; Einstein's theory of relativity would crumble,
theoretical physics would fall into disarray, if anything could.

Two new experiments have demonstrated how wrong that comfortable wisdom is.
Einstein's theory survives, physicists say, but the results of the
experiments are so mind-bending and weird that the easily unnerved are
advised--in all seriousness--not to read beyond this point.

In the most striking of the new experiments a pulse of light that enters a
transparent chamber filled with specially prepared cesium gas is pushed to
speeds of 300 times the normal speed of light. That is so fast that, under
these peculiar circumstances, the main part of the pulse exits the far side
of the chamber even before it enters at the near side.

It is as if someone looking through a window from home were to see a man
slip and fall on a patch of ice while crossing the street well before
witnesses on the sidewalk saw the mishap occur--a preview of the future. But
Einstein's theory, and at least a shred of common sense, seem to survive
because the effect could never be used to signal back in time to change the
past--avert the accident, in the example.

A paper on the experiment, by Lijun Wang of the NEC Research Institute in
Princeton, N.J., has been submitted to Nature and is currently undergoing
peer review. It is only the most spectacular example of work by a wide range
of researchers recently who have produced superluminal speeds of propagation
in various materials, in hopes of finding a chink in Einstein's armor and
using the effect in practical applications like speeding up electrical
circuits.

"It looks like a beautiful experiment," said Raymond Chiao, a professor of
physics at the University of California in Berkeley, who, like a number of
physicists in the close-knit community of optics research, is knowledgeable
about Dr. Wang's work.

Dr. Chiao, whose own research laid some of the groundwork for the
experiment, added that "there's been a lot of controversy" over whether the
finding means that actual information--like the news of an impending
accident--could be sent faster than c, the velocity of light. But he said
that he and most other physicists agreed that it could not.

Though declining to provide details of his paper because it is under review,
Dr. Wang said: "Our light pulses can indeed be made to travel faster than c.
This is a special property of light itself, which is different from a
familiar object like a brick," since light is a wave with no mass. A brick
could not travel so fast without creating truly big problems for physics,
not to mention humanity as a whole.

A paper on the second new experiment, by Daniela Mugnai, Anedio Ranfagni and
Rocco Ruggeri of the Italian National Research Council, described what
appeared to be slightly faster-than-c propagation of microwaves through
ordinary air, and was published in the May 22 issue of Physical Review
Letters.

The kind of chamber in Dr. Wang's experiment is normally used to amplify
waves of laser light, not speed them up, said Aephraim M. Steinberg, a
physicist at the University of Toronto. In the usual arrangement, one beam
of light is shone on the chamber, exciting the cesium atoms, and then a
second beam passing thorugh the chamber soaks up some of that energy and
gets amplified when it passes through them.

But the amplification occurs only if the second beam is tuned to a certain
precise wavelength, Dr. Steinberg said. By cleverly choosing a slightly
different wavelength, Dr. Wang induced the cesium to speed up a light pulse
without distorting it in any way. "If you look at the total pulse that comes
out, it doesn't actually get amplified," Dr. Steinberg said.

There is a further twist in the experiment, since only a particularly
strange type of wave can propagate through the cesium. Waves Light signals,
consisting of packets of waves, actually have two imp

[CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Wang's Wisdom, 2/2. (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:13:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Wang's Wisdom, 2/2.

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Subject: [nanotech] Faster Than Light

In searching for Higgs' Field and faster than light,
I've found some natural events that are faster than light,
"Sprites and Elves"

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Re: [CTRL] The Emperor Wang's Conspiracy

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Wed, 31 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
 
  On Tue, 30 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:
 
   Don't let your wang go to your head.
 
  Thank you Rabbi. Where do I send my cheque?
  FWP.

 I am not a Rabbi. I am an atheist.
 And it's spelled 'check' you goddamn-d foreign devil.

How about an atheistic robot as Chief Rabbi of Israel, programmed with
every religious Q and A ever recorded and the logical ability to invent
new ones better than any human? We could name it after you!
FWP
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[CTRL] The Emperor Wang's Conspiracy

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Smart Cookies.

One day the Emperor Fang Wang went forth from the Forbidden City and
contemplated the humble Chinese Fortune Cookie. "I see that there are
smart weapons and smart buildings and smart villages" said Wang. "Now let
there be smart fortune cookies." And with that a whole new era in Chinese
civilization was born as China learned to make smart,
self-constructing, self-improving, self-replicating machines which would
take them to the stars as leaders of the New World Order for all of
humankind. Wang, you see had read the book "Machine Psychology" at
the "Atoma" or "Atomic Machines" web site,
http://www.atoma.f2s.com/atomareport.html (Report #10). He was a very wise
emperor, indeed!
FWP.



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Corinthians 10:31). What would Canada be like if it were a "Godly Society" functioning 
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Re: [CTRL] The Emperor Wang's Conspiracy

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Tue, 30 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 Don't let your wang go to your head.

Thank you Rabbi. Where do I send my cheque?
FWP.

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Re: [CTRL] SNET: CHRISTIAN VIOLENCE IN AMERICA

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

Violence or counter-violence? ie a reaction to having their way of life
desecrated by filthy, blasphemous anti-christ swine and their bum boys
like Grahams, Falwells, Hagees, etc?
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Re: [CTRL] Would the real idiot please stand up?

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Sat, 27 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
 
   yair davidi wrote:
 
you are the idiot not they.
 
  J2 replied cogently:
 
   It may be. Or it might be. Perhaps it could be.
 
  and...
 
   OTHERWISE YOU FRAUD.
 
  and...
 
   This isn't about racial purity.
 
  and...
 
   ... you are basically throwing shit up at the ceiling and
   what sticks is your theory.
 
  Carry on J2. And hey, how do I buy stock in your bagel hole marketing
  scheme?
  FWP.
  (LEZ)

 Poley. You have taken my clear and cogent reply to this con man Davidy
 and turned it into chopped liver.

You didn't say, "Thank you".

 What the hell kind of quoting technique is this? Is this how your mind works?

 No stocks for you until you clean up your act.

 Joshua2

 PS: How did you like this one...
  " ... you are basically throwing shit up at the ceiling and
   what sticks is your theory."
Good one eh? I made it up myself.

Excellent. Must be those superior "jew genes".
FWP
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[CTRL] Would the real idiot please stand up?

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

 yair davidi wrote:

  you are the idiot not they.

J2 replied cogently:

 It may be. Or it might be. Perhaps it could be.

and...

 OTHERWISE YOU FRAUD.

and...

 This isn't about racial purity.

and...

 ... you are basically throwing shit up at the ceiling and
 what sticks is your theory.

Carry on J2. And hey, how do I buy stock in your bagel hole marketing
scheme?
FWP.
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[CTRL] Sexual Orientation.

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

Why is it not defined in Canada? A conspiracy? Is it defined in the US?

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Subject: [BCPolitics] Which Sexual Orientations are CONSTITUTIONAL?

We don't even have a definition of sexual orientation in Canada while a
mountain of legislation is being built upon it...and everything else under
the sun gets defined as a preface to the various provincial and federal
laws. I ASSUME that pedophilia, homosexuality, necrophilia, incest
etc. are all sexual orientations. Are they all CONSTITUTIONAL, ie in
accord with "principles that recognize the supremacy of God"?

On Thu, 25 May 2000, Barry Schwartz wrote:

 brent rooney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Mr. Barry Schwartz,

  Hi.  To use a hypothetical example of a student picking red and white
  spheroids from a bucket and think that relates to the statistic about
  8 of the top ten serial killers being homosexual, suggests to me that
  you have "lost your marbles".

 Your posting, even if the figures stated turn out 'true', was as good
 as spiking the water fountains at election polls with a euphoric drug,
 if fed to a populace that is as susceptible to bad 'mathematics' as it
 is to euphoric drugs.

Why? What is "bad" mathematics? Math which doesn't give us the results we
want? I suppose from the standpoint of the Christian community, that
Humanist report which said Christian councillors are twice as likely to
sexually abuse their patients as nonchristian councillors could be "bad
math". IF THE FIGURES STATED TURN OUT TO BE TRUE I sure as heck want to
know. I watched a seasoned, intelligent lawyer on tv one night tell us how
he went into a deep depression and couldn't work for five years after
being exposed to the stories of his clients on the Mount Cashell/Christian
Brothers case. If the Humanist report is true then there is a general
characteristic of the community. What then causes this terrible social
problem? What would be needed for a remedy? The recidivism rate of
convicted pedophiles is another example. This SEXUAL ORIENTATION is a big
concern to the community. IF THE FIGURES AS STATED TURN OUT TO BE TRUE,
most parents want to know...so they can take effective action. The SEXUAL
PERVERSIONS (including pedophilia) associated with another SEXUAL
ORIENTATION...the homosexual sexual orientation AS REPORTED are surely a
grave concern...IF THE FIGURES STATED TURN OUT TO BE TRUE! I want to know
if they are true. Do you?
FWP.



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Re: [CTRL] You are a fraud.

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Tue, 23 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 5/23/00

 It's over now Yair. Genetics have put an end to your con game. No more
 extracting
 book money from those pathetic Biblical Israelite wannabes.

 You should be made to pay back every penny you got from these idiots.

 If I lived in Israel, I would have you and those Bible Code con men arrested
 for intentionally defrauding the public.

 Find new snake oil to sell the idiots buddy, this con is over. Genetic markers
 have defined who's who.

 Joshua2

What markers, J2?
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Re: [CTRL] Was America Founded as a Christian Nation?

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Tue, 23 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 How could this ever compare with my main rival Allan Greenspan whose economic
 theories are based on those of yet another co-religionist of ours, Ayn Rand.

Are all you co-religionists atheists or do you all have the same "genetic
markers" for religion x?
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Re: [CTRL] Was America Founded as a Christian Nation?

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Wed, 24 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
 
  On Tue, 23 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:
 
   How could this ever compare with my main rival Allan Greenspan whose economic
   theories are based on those of yet another co-religionist of ours, Ayn Rand.
 
  Are all you co-religionists atheists or do you all have the same "genetic
  markers" for religion x?
  FWP.
 

 Poley, That is a very intelligent question.

Thank you. Would it surprise you if there was a set of "jew genes" which
determined who was entitled to aliyeh rights and who wasn't? It would
change the Constitution of Israel of course since the documents on right
of return say that those who convert to another religion may be denied
aliyeh rights. (Though they would still be carrying those 'jew genes').
FWP.
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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: [The Grip] Fwd: Homosexuals commit 55% of child molestations.

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Tue, 23 May 2000, Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote:

 From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  How other people choose to live their lives is nobody's business but their
  own.

 Yes, whatever consenting adults choose to do in or with their lives is no
 one's business...definitely not the government's...

 After all, there is nothing that consenting adult homosexuals do that
 consenting adult heterosexuals don't also indulge in...

The originator of this thread claimed otherwise (ie they have an
inordinately high propensity to be child molestors) and now doesn't seem
to be inclined to defend his position.
FWP.

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Re: [CTRL] SNET: Martin Lindstedt, the raving fascist on homosexuals

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

I don't care if he is from the Militia or Mars. Are the FACTS correct?
FWP.

On Mon, 22 May 2000, Michael Pugliese wrote:

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  This is from the Holy War listserv at egroups.com
 This list is a "Christian Identity" listserv.
Martin Lindstedt is a militiaman in Missouri, extreme even by the
 standards of the militia movement. Forever going on about the "hook nosed
 Khazars." Harold Covington is the "leader" of the National Socialist White
 People's Party. His group was the one that killed five, stupid Maoists in
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 Both the NSWWP and Lindstedt have URL's easily findable, embedded in the
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 www.wehatehumanity.org
  URL, like I do on other lists.) The amount of "information" that leaches
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Michael Pugliese
 
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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:10:30 -0500
From: Martin Lindstedt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Fwd: Homosexuals commit 55% of child molestations.

 From Harold Covington's Listserver:
 =

 Subject: The Truth about Queers

 Dear Mr. Covington:

An academic in Canada has defended Dr. Laura (see article further
 down) . The most remarkable statement in his reply was:

 In fact, male homosexuals, as low as their numbers are,
 perpetrate up to half of all child molestations. Gay
 teachers alone commit up to 80 per cent of all
 sexual assaults on pupils.

 I made the extra effort to look up the facts on this phenomenon. It turns
 out the homosexual population of America, which is estimated at 1.4 to 1.7%
 of the population by realistic surveys, commits 50.5% of the molestations
 of children. Lesbian child molestation is actually significantly worse than
 homosexual male child molestation. (See chart further down.)

 We could eliminate over 50% of the child molestation in the United States
 if we went back to the pre-1972 American Psychiatric Association evaluation
 of homosexuals, which classified them as "mentally defective". If we
 quarantined these people on island insane asylums (or just removed them
 from where they had access to children), we could potentially stop 50% of
 the child molestations in the United States.

 Why is there no effort to defend children from these predators? Homosexuals
 wield tremendous power within the Democrat Party. There is also speculation
 that a much larger percentage of politicians are secretly homosexual than
 most people suspect. There is further speculation that a significant number
 of politicians are secret child molesters. Remember when Barney Frank's
 homosexual pal set up a homosexual prostitution ring using underage boys
 out of one of Frank's properties in Washington D.C.?

 The liberal web sites that I found on this topic were all defending
 homosexuals and arguing that homosexuals rarely molested children. These
 sites actually used the argument that "a grown man, who molests a boy, is
 not necessarily a homosexual". I am not making that up either.

 With logic like that, I quickly decided that liberals, as usual, were more
 interested in protecting a large faction of their political alliance than
 getting to the truth of the matter.

 One individual, who has bravely done research on the subject of homosexual
 child molestation, Paul Cameron, was treated with the usual liberal hatred
 reserved for someone doing a criminal investigation of Bill Clinton.

 Another interesting point is that there are at least seven organizations
 (see excerpt further down) that support legalizing homosexual molestation
 of boys. I do not believe that there are any organizations that support
 heterosexual molestation of children. Doesn't the existence of seven
 homosexual child molestation organizations speak volumes?

   Obviously, the claims that homosexuals don't pose a huge threat to
 innocent children is another liberal lie. The facts clearly contradict the
 liberals, and the existence of formal organizations by homosexuals to
 promote child molestation is another glaring sign that this is a huge
 problem that has been covered up by corrupt politicians on the left and
 cowardly politicians on the right.

 88!
 Clark Kent

 

 http://www.all.org/encyclopedia/plae121.htm

 Therefore, the sexual abuse rates for the 17-year period by gender of both
 victim and abuser are shown below.




 Sexual Abuse of Children by Gender of Victim and Abuser
   Sexual abuse of boys by men:  (8,500,000) X (0.45) X (0.45) = 1,720,000
  Sexual abuse of girls by men:  (8,500,000) X (0.55) X (0.45) = 

[CTRL] Roboconspiracy...cont'd

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:40:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Robot-for-President] Robopoliticians on the Internet...What are
the implications?

On Mon, 22 May 2000, Barry Schwartz wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If I couldn't make a "waterfall" from some mud to
  work _exactly_ as I wished, then I would be back
  at kindergarten age like the Schwartzie mentally.

 Be that as it may, the point is that when you are not dealing with a
 lump of flesh and bone such as issues from a human mother, when there
 are subtle differences in the material of which a 'person' is made,
 then you are dealing with different problems in the most basic
 functions.  You just can't get the same thing out of different
 materials; you can only get a similar thing.

 One might realize, for instance, that if you are dealing with
 'electronic intelligences', you are not simply faced, for example,
 with how to count this 'person' in elections, 'e-democracy', and so
 forth.  You have considerably more _basic_ political and practical
 problems.  You do _not_ have the _same_ person.

You bet your boots you don't. And what happens when (yes WHEN) my robot is
able to participate in thousands of Internet discussions and can LEARN
PERSUASION SKILLS as it goes along? Kurzweil (1999) says a robot could
pass the Turing Test by the criterion of general conversational ability in
20 years. I seriously wonder if it could do so now. And I expect to find
out definitively soon and put it on an ed tv show.
FWP.



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[CTRL] [BCPolitics] Having Semites Set The Rules of Engagement re Revisionism (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Subject: [BCPolitics] Having "Semites" Set The Rules of Engagement re
"Revisionism"

Hi Bob: The topic of "antisemitism" has come up on BCPOLITICS. Do you see
the information below as a remedy? The two URL's set out complex and
scholarly arguments in their revisionism re established history in
Christian and Muslim nations. "Semites" are setting this standard. Of
course not all Semites are alike. What is your opinion?
FWP.

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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 07:31:16 -0700 (PDT)
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Jewish Revisionism

http://shamash.org:70/00/judaica/answers/missionaries/mythj.txt

http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2000/05/12/Opinion/Opinion.6557.html

Both Christianity and Islam are faiths set in reports of actual historical
events. The validity of these histories has been accepted by most people
of Christian and Muslim nations for many centuries. Do those who issue a
great and righteous hue and cry when someone challenges Neo-Khazar secular
history re the death toll of this ethnicity during the Third Reich also
issue a comparable hue and cry when the history of events in Christian
and Muslim nations is also questioned? Is there a kind of discrimination
here or should we accept one standard for all?
   The two web sites above are Neo-Khazar revisionism against the
standard, accepted histories in the Christian and Muslim worlds. Some
regard them as calumny and hate propaganda. I will argue that they should
be countered in REASONED DEBATE on lists like Life-Gazette rather than
through protest, litigation and violence. I propose this as the "one
standard for all".
FWP.

What would a complete society be like if it were to "do all for the glory of God"? (I 
Corinthians 10:31). What would Canada be like if it were a "Godly Society" functioning 
in this manner?





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[CTRL] Raving J2.

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Mon, 22 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
 
  I don't care if he is from the Militia or Mars. Are the FACTS correct?
  FWP.

 Poley, you intellectual FRAUD.

Give one example

 Are you still getting your information from
 those red neck pig fuck*rs on SNET?

Is that a nice way to talk?

 Aren't they the mutants who taught you
 about Khazars?

What do you know about Khazars? I get my info from Jewish Encyclodedias.

 Who can ever take you seriously?

I don't.
FWP
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Re: [CTRL] THE GREAT APE LEGAL PROJECT

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Tue, 23 May 2000, Andrew Hennessey wrote:

 THE GREAT APE LEGAL PROJECT -

  Because the similarities between us are
 so compelling, there is no ethical justification for the difference in legal
 status." David McCord, writing on the possibility of an ape giving testimony
 in a court of law, makes similar use of the idea of identity: "Human DNA and
 chimp DNA are 98.4 percent identical

Now I understand J2!
FWP.

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: [The Grip] Fwd: Homosexuals commit 55% of child molestations.]

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Mon, 22 May 2000, Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote:

 From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Seems to me that Bard is overly interested in homosexuals...wonder why??

 Yes, to paraphrase the other bard, Will Shakespeare (who may have been at
 least bisexual, if not outright gay, himself), methinks he, Bard, does
 protest too much...  ;-)

 June

It is simply a question of whether he can defend his argument or not. Why
the "ad homonem" attack, June?
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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: [The Grip] Fwd: Homosexuals commit 55% of child molestations.

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Mon, 22 May 2000, nessie wrote:

 If you were gay, what strategy would you pursue to gain acceptance?

How about keeping one's mouth shut and acting like everyone else,
otherwise?
FWP.

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Re: [CTRL] Was America Founded as a Christian Nation?

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

OK, so let's say it's a new day. How would America differ NOW if it were
governed according to "principles that recognize the supremacy of
God" (wording from the Canadian Constitution) with those principles
defined by Christians, Muslims, Neo-Khazars, Buddhists, Atheists or
whatever? Would it make any difference in THIS world? You Yanks will sell
everything you can get your hands on and even some things you can't (like
bagel holes). So sell us a set of "Godly principles".
FWP
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Re: [CTRL] Was America Founded as a Christian Nation?

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Sun, 21 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
 
  OK, so let's say it's a new day. How would America differ NOW if it were
  governed according to "principles that recognize the supremacy of
  God" (wording from the Canadian Constitution) with those principles
  defined by Christians, Muslims, Neo-Khazars, Buddhists, Atheists or
  whatever? Would it make any difference in THIS world? You Yanks will sell
  everything you can get your hands on and even some things you can't (like
  bagel holes). So sell us a set of "Godly principles".
  FWP
  (LEZ)

 Gee Poley. This is so fuck*n deep.
 Deeper than a bagel hole.

Could be worth a lot more shekels than selling bagel holes, J2. Keep
thinking of that Jewish Nobel Prize in economics!
FWP.

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[CTRL] How To Win The Jewish Nobel Prize in Economics...

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

...give away a future village or future city with each bagel hole sold!
FWP.

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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:50:45 +0300 (EDT)
From: Avi Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Jerusalem and the Planning of Future World Cities.


i could run part of this as a reader's letter, but i need a city as well
asyour name on the letter.
thanx,

On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:

 I noticed that a couple of people from India just subscribed so I
 thought I'd post a reminder on Navi Mumbai or New Bombay. Navi Mumbai was
 a city-built-anew for 250,000 in the 1970's. Today it is over 1,000,000.
 There is a book in the Vancouver library by Chief Architect Charles Correa
 on Navi Mumbai called "The New Landscape".
The issue is not whether Navi Mumbai was a great success or not. It
 solved some problems and didn't solve others. Likewise "International
 Village" in Vancouver has just been completed and it solved some problems
 and didn't solve others. The issue has to do with putting a city or
 village (or individual home) under the microscope so to speak and
 PERFECTING IT.
With this new blessing of the Internet and with world population
 increasing at 100,000,000/year I think we will have many opportunities
 in years to come to perfect human habitat at all levels. It has long
 struck me that those who offer an ideology to humankind, whether it is
 Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Atheist or whatever also have an obligation to
 spell out a real, in-this-world way of life which "makes sense". Charles
 Correa gives a sketch of a "MANDALA" for a city in Ancient India. This was
 a preliminary "architectural drawing" for the proposed new city and it was
 said to be INSPIRED BY THE IDEOLOGY of those people. That is what is
 significant.
Prime Minister Chretien of Canada is now in the Middle East on a trade
 and peace-keeping tour. If Israel-Palestine go back to UN-proposed borders
 from 1947, Jerusalem would be neither Isreali nor Palestinian. It would be
 an International City. Why not then have Jerusalem serve as that "light
 unto the nations" which will plan Future Cities and Future Villages the
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Re: [CTRL] If You are a Missionary, then Genocide is Your Profession

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

I have some litigation underway against Missions Fest 2000 in Vancouver
(which has billed itself in the past as the largest missionary meet in
North America). The litigation is under the BC Human Rights Act as I am
claiming religious discrimination against my proposal for a "Life
Gazette" journalism booth to articulate the nature of a "Godly nation" (a
la Canadian Constitution eh?). You can send shekels to support this good
cause to moi, anytime, J2.
FWP

On Sun, 21 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 The Christian Heritage:
 Mission: Possible

If You are a Missionary, then Genocide is Your Profession

   Oh, how happy a thing had it been,
if you had converted some before you killed any!
 John Robinson, Puritan Minister
on a group of massacred Indians, ca. 1630


 Are not missionaries those nice and friendly people who, abroad, in some
 distant, underdeveloped countries, do good, feed hungry children, and teach
 the ignorant, savage, or uneducated population?

 Do you really believe this?

 Almost certainly you belong to the majority of people who have seen them
 walking around with their collecting-boxes, maybe even put some coins into
 them. In any case, since the missionary organizations near all have tax
 exempt status, if you ever paid taxes, you have indirectly funded them.

 What exactly did you support?

 Excerpt from the genocide convention:

 Article II

 In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed
 with
 the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or
 religious group, as such:

   a.Killing members of the group;
   b.Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
   c.Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring
 its
  physical destruction in whole or in part;
   d.Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
   e.Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

 Missionaries have done all of the above, and continue to do most of these
 things even today (supported with your money, donations, and taxes).

 Since the effects of missionary work, the cultural traditions of a people
 being replaced by some form of Christianity, are intentional, this means by
 definition that genocide is the missionary profession: converting other
 peoples to Christianity and thus destroying them as an ethnical group, and
 denying the right of native peoples to exist as what they are, with their
 own culture, language, religion. For a variety of reasons a massive
 depopulation, in other words the death of a large percentage of the native
 population, follows.

 You say this is history? I'm afraid it is not. Just a few years ago, on a
 concert tour in Italy, I've seen the mission shops in Assissi (the place of
 Saint Francis) run by monks who sell the sculptures and other articles the
 wretched mission Indians must make for them...
 Read about missionaries today.


  Tahiti | California | Mission Today


 Tahiti.

 Let us see how missionaries - like a contagious disease infecting
 civilizations - annihilate native cultures, destroy the happiness of
 peoples, and depopulate countries even without actively killing them...
 (reading this account of missionary conquest for the first time left me
 almost speechless with anger:)

  IN 1767 THE ENGLISH navigator Wallis discovered the island of Tahiti. His
  visit was rapidly followed by those of the French explorer de
  Bougainville, and Captain James Cook... All three captains were
  overwhelmed by their reception at the hands of the people of Tahiti,
  and by the gifts showered upon them... When Cook left Tahiti... he
  wrote in his journal: "I directed my course to the West and we took our
  final leave of these happy islands and the good people on them." Some
  years later he was to write: "It would have been far better for these
  poor people never to have known us."

  Captain Bligh of the Bounty - that stern judge of men - was if possible
  more impressed...: "I left these happy islanders with much distress,
  for the utmost affection, regard and good fellowship was among us
  during our stay..." A few days later the famous mutiny on the Bounty
  took place, due to the determination of members of his crew not to
  return to England but to remain and settle on the islands where they
  had found so much happiness...

  A counter-attack by the religious orthodoxy of the day was inevitable.
  In 1795 the London Missionary Society was formed, its immediate
  attention focused upon the Pacific; two years later a convict ship
  bound for Australia put the first missionaries ashore on Tahiti. They,
  too, were overwhelmed by the warmth of their welcome...

  The Tahitians built their houses, fed them, and 

[CTRL] Fw: vacancy LL project (fwd)

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Subject: Fw: vacancy LL project

VACANCY NOTICE

Experienced Impact Assessment Consultant needed to evaluate local peace building 
project in Osijek, Eastern Croatia

Position:  Experienced Impact Assessment Consultant

Type  of Appointment:  Fixed  term; summer 2000, 2 months, full time

Programme:Building a Democratic Society Based on a Culture 
of   Nonviolence: Post-war Peace  Building in Eastern Croatia.

Project:   Peace Teams Learning Project

Duty Station:   Osijek, Croatia

Date of Entry on  Duty:   Immediately

Vacancy  Notice issued:17 May 2000

Deadline  for  Application   30  May 2000

The Centre for Peace, Non-violence and Human Rights  in Osijek is looking for  a 
consultant for  an external evaluation of  its Lessons learned project.

Description of the project :

The project is an effort to build a democratic and just society in a conflictive 
post-war setting through locally based peace teams. Various strategically chosen 
approaches to empower the communities are being used by the peace teams in five 
localities, and the assessment will focus on the strength and weaknesses of the peace 
team approach and the lessons learnt about locally based peace building processes.

 Description of the tasks

 In close collaboration with a prearranged project group headed by a project champion, 
the consultant is required to fulfill the following tasks:

Responsible for strategic oversight of overall plan

Coordinate various qualitative and quantitative processes of research

Ability to implement focus groups research strategy or work closely with focus groups 
specialist

Analyse gathered data and write report

Obligated to attend and participate in whole systems event related to report

Maintain communication with project group

Qualifications required:

Experience in setting up, managing and implementing Impact Assessment evaluations

Experience in participatory evaluation with stress on empowerment processes

Good analytical and organisational skills coupled with "doer" capacity

Good oral and written communication skills in English

Knowledge of Croatian language would be an asset.

Ability to work with professionals in a multicultural team

Ability to work under short  deadlines and time constraints

Be able to be located in the region during intensive workperiods

Facilitative style of leadership

Ability to work within fixed budget

Alternative approaches to above job description:

The Center is open to alternative configurations of responsibility:

1.   An Expert Impact Assessment Consultant who does both the evaluation and the 
focus group work.

2.   The work is divided between an Impact Assessment Consultant with 
responsibility for the overall impact assessment while working in close collaboration 
with a focus group specialist who is fluent in Croatian .

The latter alternative will require less time in the region for the  Impact Assessment 
Consultant.

Renumeration package

Please submit tender at NGO/Charity rates.

  If you are interested in this position, please send  your  application, C.V., 2 
references preferably by e-mail to:

  Centre for Peace, Non-violence and Human Rights

Att. Michelle Kurtz

U. Zupaniska 8

HR- 31000 Osijek

email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.zamir.net/~czmos

 For questions please call Dr Katarina Kruhonja, Project Leader

Tel/fax. +385(0) 31 206 886

+385(0) 31 206 889

e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 or

Michelle Kurtz, Project Organizer

tel +385(0) 31 506 420

e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



  Background

Building a Democratic Society Based on the Culture of Non-violence - Post-war 
Peace-building in Eastern Croatia

  The goal of the project Building a Democratic Society Based on the Culture of 
Non-violence - Post-war Peacebuilding in Eastern Croatia is transformation of the 
war-torn, post-socialist society in Eastern Croatia towards sustainable peace, common 
security and democracy based on citizen participation, pluralism, human and minority 
rights, social justice and sustainable development. A network of trained multi-ethnic, 
multi-national, multi-religious (Croats, Serbs, internationals) development 
peacebuilding teams (DPT) has been established in 5 multiethnic communities (Okuèani, 
Tenja, Dalj, Beli Manastir a

[CTRL] Jewish Nobel Prize...

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

...I nominate J2 and Uncle Hymie in the field of economics for their
unique theory re marketing the bagel hole (and thereby taking over the
world).
FWP.

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Subject: Israel Line 5/19/00

ATTENTION ISRAEL LINE RECIPIENTS

Friday, May 19, 2000

*THREE SOLDIERS WOUNDED IN LEBANON
*PALESTINIAN, ISRAELI CLASHES CONTINUE
*U.S., ISRAEL, PA EXPERTS DISCUSS WATER ISSUES
*BEILIN EXTENDS EMERGENCY LAWS
*TEL AVIV UNIVERSITY TO INAUGURATE "JEWISH PEOPLE’S NOBEL PRIZE"
*ECONOMIC BRIEFS

THREE SOLDIERS WOUNDED IN LEBANON

  Three Israel Defense Forces soldiers were wounded on Thursday, two of them
seriously, during heavy Hizbullah shelling of outposts across the southern
Lebanon security zone, HA’ARETZ reported. Shells also fell inside Israel.
  According to Israel Radio, KOL YISRAEL, a senior IDF source said today
that weapon deliveries to Hizbullah have increased in recent months,
facilitating an increase in attacks. According to THE JERUSALEM POST, the
IDF Spokesman announced yesterday that Israel Air Force warplanes destroyed
a tank used by Hizbullah as well as other heavy artillery pieces, marking
the existence, for the first time, of hard evidence that Hizbullah possesses
such equipment. IDF Chief of Staff  Lt.-Gen. Shaul Mofaz said on Thursday
that Israel must refrain from walking into a Hizbullah trap and escalating
the situation.
  Meanwhile, the United Nations declared on Thursday that the disputed
Shebaa farm area, located on the western face of Mount Hermon on the
approach to an IDF outpost on Har Dov, does not lie within Lebanese
territory. Because the farm is not part of Lebanon, the IDF will be able to
maintain several outposts in the area in conformance with UN Resolution 425.

PALESTINIAN, ISRAELI CLASHES CONTINUE

  Palestinians clashed with Israeli security forces in renewed outbreaks of
violence in Hebron and Bethlehem today when hundreds of Palestinian students
marched to demand the release of additional Palestinian prisoners, HA’ARETZ
reported.
  Senior officials in the Palestinian Authority security establishment met
with senior Israel Defense Forces officers on Thursday night and said that
they intend to prevent shooting incidents over the weekend. The IDF demanded
that the PA take severe measures against Palestinian police who fired at IDF
troops on Monday.
  According to MA’ARIV, the IDF is maintaining a high level of alertness in
the West Bank and soldiers have been ordered to return fire. OC Central
Command, Maj.-Gen. Moshe (Bougy) Ya’alon said on Thursday that "the
Palestinians are firing up tensions in the field in order to obtain
achievements in other areas."

U.S., Israel, PA Experts Discuss Water Issues

  A U.S. delegation of water experts visited Israel on Thursday to discuss
solutions to the water problems faced by Israel and the Palestinian
Authority, HA’ARETZ reported.
  The delegation met with the Israeli team responsible for water issues,
headed by Ministry of Defense official Noah Kinarti, and discussed plans for
desalination projects. The U.S. and Israeli teams then met with the
Palestinian team. Discussions were described as "productive," and the
Israeli and Palestinian teams presented their short-and long term  water
needs, as well as possible solutions.

BEILIN EXTENDS EMERGENCY LAWS

  Minister of Justice Yossi Beilin asked the Cabinet on Thursday to approve
an extension of the state of emergency, under which Israel has formally
operated for 52 years, due to a conflict with the Histadrut labor union,
HA’ARETZ reported. Emergency regulations, many of them initiated during
British mandatory rule, empower the Government to take measures to protect
state security.
 Although cancellation of the emergency laws is one of Beilin’s primary
goals as Minister, he said that a six-month extension from the current July
26 expiration date is necessary to ensure a "safety net" to maintain
specific Government powers in the event that alternative legislation is not
passed in time.
 At issue with the union is the legislation enabling the Government to
operate vital services during a strike. The Histadrut strongly opposes
efforts to legislate limits on strike actions, but lack of a legal
alternative to the emergency regulations would leave the Government without
authority to curb strikes affecting essential services such as hospitals and
airports.

TEL AVIV UNIVERSITY TO INAUGURATE "JEWISH PEOPLE’S NOBEL PRIZE"

  Tel Aviv University President Professor Itamar Rabinovich announced on
Thursday that the University would set up a fund to award three $1 million
prizes annually to 

[CTRL] KKK Screws Up

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

Kentucky Kommunist Konversion indeed...I knew those guys couldn't be
trusted any more than that bunch of hymies who want to take the holes out
of the bagels...and sell them!
(Rabbi) FWP.

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[CTRL] JOBS- Counselor Positions for Georgia/Abkhazia Summer Project (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

J2: Khazar U also has a special project to "reinvent the bagel" (the only
great contribution of Khazar ("Jewish") civilization to this planet.
Professors Henry Ayre, Biophilos and Bob Cohen will decide which is the
winning entry.
FWP.

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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 05:07:22 -0400
From: Carmela Vetri [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: JOBS- Counselor Positions for Georgia/Abkhazia Summer Project

A distribution of: CentralAsia-L - Announcement List for Central Asian Studies


JOBS- Counselor Positions for Georgia/Abkhazia Summer Project

YOUTH FOR UNDERSTANDING
YOUTH DEVELOPMENT III, COUNSELOR JOB DESCRIPTION

PURPOSE OF POSITION: to work with youth from Georgia and Abkhazia in the
Youth Development III program; to cooperate with program teaching staff
using prepared materials and to assist in other program activities; to
provide participants opportunities for conversational English in the context
of structured classroom activities, group activities, and while learning
about American government, history, culture and the environment; to assist
in all program activities, including recreational, and to interact with
youth throughout the day.

DESCRIPTION OF DUTIES:

1. Understand and work to achieve the established goals and objectives of
the Youth Development III program.

2. Be thoroughly familiar with concept, format, and content of prepared
curriculum.

3. Be able to effectively work, in English and Russian, with groups of
approximately 12-18 students, and to team-teach with facilitators and alumni
of last year's program.

4. Be able to create a classroom atmosphere that is well organized, keeps to
a time schedule, and encourages student participa-tion.

5. Be willing to assist with creative and spontaneous activities and to
supervise youth as needed.

6. Serve as interpreter (Russian and English) as necessary.

7. In advance of staff training program, be thoroughly familiar with program
materials that have been provided.

8. Assist Site Director and Assistant Site Director as requested.

9. Attend staff training program and participate in complete Youth
Development III program.

SUPERVISION RECEIVED: Site Director

QUALIFICATIONS:

1. If a US citizen, must have recent living experience in one or more
countries of the NIS and possess Russian language skills; if a NIS citizen
must have permit to work in the US, must have recent experience in the
United States and must possess English language skills.

2. Must have previous teaching experience, preferably with high school
students.

3. Must have experience in cross-cultural training and be willing to learn
and utilize prepared curriculum.

4. Experience teaching English as a Second Language (ESL) preferred, but not
required.

5. Experience in conflict resolution/mediation preferred, but not required.

6. Must possess the following characteristics: adaptability, enthusiasm,
patience, humor, dedication and ability to deal with ambiguity.

7. Must be a "team player"-able to work as a group member.

8. Must have excellent interpersonal skills and be able to team-teach and
function with a diverse staff.

9. Must be willing to work in a full-time, residential program.

10. Must be available approximately July 2 - August 5, 2000.

Contact: For more information or to apply, please call or email Carmela
Vetri (1-800-424-3691, ext.149, or [EMAIL PROTECTED]).  If you are applying
please forward a letter of interest outlining your qualifications and a
current resume or curriculum vitae.

Note: Please only apply if you meet the qualifications (see below). All
applicants must have authorization to work in the US and be currently living
in the United States.  Applicants also must have experience working with
youth and must be bilingual (English/Russian).

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Re: [CTRL] Jewish Hate Propaganda...or words of wisdom?

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Mon, 15 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
 
  And how is Uncle Shlomo doing? Has he reinvented the bagel yet?
  FWP.

 That's uncle Hymie. You always did have trouble keeping your facts straight.

I stand corrected...and humbled. I was going to cover my ass by saying I
just said that to see if you were paying attention but after reading the
cogent epistle below, I knew I had met my match.
FWP.
(LEZ, Demoted)

 Uncle Hymie says if it aint broke don't fix it.

 Now that he got you gentiles hooked on bagels, he's working on a marketing
 scheme to sell you guys bagel holes in bulk. By piece, not by weight.

 Whadda guy, he's not the head of the Learned Elders of Zion for nothing.

 Joshua2

 
  On Mon, 15 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:
 
   POLEY, YOUR ALIVE
   Too bad.
  
   Your buddy,
   J2
   ===
   Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
   
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Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:46:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Pipes (Jerusalem Post) vs. Islam
   
Let's put this beside
   
http://shamash.org:70/00/judaica/answers/missionaries/mythj.txt
   
(a similar Jewish diatribe against Christianity)
   
In olden days nations went to war over such words. Today we have the
Internet. In my opinion, the incessant "Jewish hate propaganda" as it is
called by many, should be handled by REASONED DEBATE...over the Internet.
   In the motto of The Times of India, "Let Truth Prevail".
FWP.

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Re: [CTRL] Jewish Gene Study

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

On Tue, 16 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 Nicky Molloy wrote:
 
  Saddam Hussein was developing a virus that targets Jews.Just as the Israelis
  were developing one that targets Iraqis.

 How right you are. What you need to be is a geneticist instead.
 You must be kidding. Go to Israel sometime and try to differentiate between
 similarly dressed Jews and Arabs.

Bull's eye. Now if there ain't no unique Jew genes and there ain't no
unique Jew ideology, what do you have left? THE BAGEL!
FWP.

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[CTRL] The Biggest Political Transformation in World History

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Subject: [BCPolitics] Bill C-2: ALTERNATIVE VOTING MEANS

Thank you for the reply, Mr. Kingsley. I have cc'd some of the parties I
have been corresponding with in attempting to bring the necessary
information to public attention. Some time ago I asked Ted White, MP (re
his private member's Bill C-229) and Dr. Tomorrow/Frank Ogden (re his
notion of the "electronic guillotine") if they would be willing to appear
together on a talk tv show to tell us what they think the future of EDD is
in BC and Canada. Ted would approach the subject from the political side
and Frank from the high technology side. Both agreed to participate but I
couldn't find a willing studio (some of which are cc'd above). Perhaps if
we bring in the relevant provincial and federal bureaucracies we can
"round out" the picture and expertise necessary to see what is likely to
transpire.
   Frankly I was surprised to hear Peter Mansbridge (OneonOne) and his
guest, Internet expert Jim Carroll, say a few months ago that just over
50% of Canadians have used the Internet. My "guestimate" would have been
half that. But it is the growth rate which is of most interest now. If
Mr. Campbell and his Official Opposition form the new government in BC (as
the odds-makers expect), there is no doubt that before the next BC
election (ca. 2005), Internet will be as ubiquitous as radio, telephone
and television or very close to it. Thus I emailed Barry Penner, MLA when
I read his newsletter in Chilliwack re his party's support for a
"Citizens' Assembly". He replid by email that this was the platform for
the Liberal Party. And Liberal Leader, Mr. Campbell confirmed that while
adding that the Liberal Party wants to lead high technology in BC more
generally.

On 15 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Following your comments received by Elections Canada by e-mail  on April 13,
 please find below the reply  from the Chief Electoral Officer Jean Pierre
 Kingsley.

 Thank you

 REPLY:

 May 12, 2000

 Mr. Franklin Wayne Poley
 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Dear Mr. Poley:

   This refers to your e-mail of April 13, 2000, inviting Mr. Robert
 Patterson, Chief Electoral Officer, Elections British Columbia, and my Office
 to look into the issue of electronic voting.  In this e-mail, you also wish
 to see both Mr. Patterson and myself appear on a television talk show to
 discuss this issue.

Yes, those are the two key points.

   The feasibility of alternate voting methods is of keen interest to Elections
 Canada, given the rate of development of telecommunication and
 Internet-related technology.

I am pleased that you are following these developments in Canada.
EDD is imminent and inevitable. One doesn't have to be
a technowizard with a (silicon of course) crystal ball to see that. It
doesn't require any "manifestos" or even political leadership for this to
happen. However, to the extent that all levels of society are aware of
these developments and participate in shaping them the results will turn
out better.

   I wish to bring to your attention the fact that Elections Canada
 commissioned KPMG Canada and Sussex Circle to conduct a study on the broad
 issues surrounding new information technology and their possible impact on
 the voting process in Canada.  Completed in June 1998, the study provided an
 examination of the implications of information technology for the voting
 process in Canada. It is an analysis of the changing values and expectations
 of Canadians respecting the democratic process and the changing technological
 environment in which electoral administration takes place. The study reaches
 several conclusions including the need to maintain administrative efficacy
 and integrity of the electoral process.  Elections Canada's study, Technology
 and the Voting Process, is available on the Electi

Re: [CTRL] Jewish Hate Propaganda...or words of wisdom?

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

And how is Uncle Shlomo doing? Has he reinvented the bagel yet?
FWP.

On Mon, 15 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 POLEY, YOUR ALIVE
 Too bad.

 Your buddy,
 J2
 ===
 Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
 
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  Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:46:55 -0700 (PDT)
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  Subject: Re: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Pipes (Jerusalem Post) vs. Islam
 
  Let's put this beside
 
  http://shamash.org:70/00/judaica/answers/missionaries/mythj.txt
 
  (a similar Jewish diatribe against Christianity)
 
  In olden days nations went to war over such words. Today we have the
  Internet. In my opinion, the incessant "Jewish hate propaganda" as it is
  called by many, should be handled by REASONED DEBATE...over the Internet.
 In the motto of The Times of India, "Let Truth Prevail".
  FWP.
 
  On Sun, 14 May 2000, Party of Citizens wrote:
 
   http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2000/05/12/Opinion/Opinion.6557.html
  
   Quotes From Pipes:
  
   "The Koran is a not 'a product of Muhammad or even of Arabia,' but a collection
   of earlier Judeo-Christian liturgical materials stitched together to meet the
   needs of a later age."
  
   "The huge body of detail, revisionist scholars find, is almost completely
   spurious."
  
   What would a complete society be like if it were to "do all for the glory of 
God"? (I Corinthians 10:31). What would Canada be like if it were a "Godly Society" 
functioning in this manner?
 
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[CTRL] Jewish Hate Propaganda...or words of wisdom?

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Subject: Re: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Pipes (Jerusalem Post) vs. Islam

Let's put this beside

http://shamash.org:70/00/judaica/answers/missionaries/mythj.txt

(a similar Jewish diatribe against Christianity)

In olden days nations went to war over such words. Today we have the
Internet. In my opinion, the incessant "Jewish hate propaganda" as it is
called by many, should be handled by REASONED DEBATE...over the Internet.
   In the motto of The Times of India, "Let Truth Prevail".
FWP.

On Sun, 14 May 2000, Party of Citizens wrote:

 http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2000/05/12/Opinion/Opinion.6557.html

 Quotes From Pipes:

 "The Koran is a not 'a product of Muhammad or even of Arabia,' but a collection
 of earlier Judeo-Christian liturgical materials stitched together to meet the
 needs of a later age."

 "The huge body of detail, revisionist scholars find, is almost completely
 spurious."

 What would a complete society be like if it were to "do all for the glory of God"? 
(I Corinthians 10:31). What would Canada be like if it were a "Godly Society" 
functioning in this manner?

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Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry
experiments.
http://click.egroups.com/1/4051/2/_/564407/_/958355355/


What would a complete society be like if it were to "do all for the glory of God"? (I 
Corinthians 10:31). What would Canada be like if it were a "Godly Society" functioning 
in this manner?

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