CS: Target-Commonwealth Games Volunteers

2000-11-30 Thread Jeremy
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why not offer to assist and take part in the sit-in? One way of guaranteeing entry and making your point - they can't operate without range staff. Regards Jerry -- I'm personally not in favour of doing anything that would actually stop the

CS: Misc-Emperor's New Clothes

2000-11-30 Thread Don
From: Don Baldwin, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I make no apologies for being unpleasant to an American who tries to impose his values on my country. Discussing views with fellow gun owners is "imposing my views"? Sorry if I bruised your self esteem there, mate. Is it because everytime an American

CS: Misc-drugs

2000-11-30 Thread Bippygee
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't dope (marijuana, cannabis, grass) banned in the USA in 1937 within twelve weeks because Philip Morris, the ciggie makers,and others had formed a cartel and started market research to market 'reefers' nationwide? As Jonathan has

CS: Pol-Stop or I'll chant!

2000-11-30 Thread Don
From: Don Baldwin, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can see where you are coming from but these aren't very good examples. Set belts have little red buttons to push to release them and I doubt very much that a Knife or a pepper spray wil have a very swift effect on a Pit Bull. Besides which you can

CS: Misc-Driving on the PROPER side...

2000-11-30 Thread Jeremy
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually the Japanese aircraft carriers were deliberately built with the island the 'wrong' side of the ship. The idea was to operate the carriers in groups with contra-rotating air groups but the theory didn't work and the carriers were later

CS: Misc-drugs

2000-11-30 Thread Tim Jeffreys
From: "Tim Jeffreys", [EMAIL PROTECTED] . One thing I do want to say here is that gun crime may have not been a problem pre-1920, but heroin abuse was, why was it banned in the first place? Why did the Chinese go to war to stop it being imported? If I recall my agricultural and medicinal

CS: Pol-Stop or I'll chant!

2000-11-30 Thread IG
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] IG you are as socially inept as you are legally. Well well well. What a comment form someone who uses the prehistoric American police concept of justifiable use of a firearm. AOJ. My God. That died a death in the 60's! I still have an old black and white training

CS: Pol-self defence

2000-11-30 Thread Don
From: Don Baldwin, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why should someone who had 24 hr police protection need a gun for self defence? On the off chance that the VIP does have a chance to take action in self defense. Yes, very true. So are we thinking more in terms of, say, a house burglar? Look at the

CS: Misc-drugs

2000-11-30 Thread John Daragon
From: "John Daragon", [EMAIL PROTECTED] I said : These things are *directly* the result of proscription and absolutely *nothing* to do either with the pharmacological affect of the drugs nor of the rave culture. That no-one in mainstream politics or the Civil Service appears to be able to

CS: Misc-Virus and Other Pests

2000-11-30 Thread W. Grint.
From: "W. Grint.", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve, Thank you for your warning about the virus. One other pest to beware of is the "Bulletin Boarder". This person has no other interest or hobby than answering bulletin boards. I noticed this breed at the general election, and in hunting debates. The BB

CS: Misc-How do they prove that theory...

2000-11-30 Thread admin
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How do we prove the theory that the reason people "bear left" because of it being the "shield side" of the body? By means of the Sherlock Homes methodonce you have eliminated all other possibilities, that which remains, however improbable, can be the only answer. --

CS: Pol-self defence

2000-11-30 Thread jonathan
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Norwegian Prime Minister. Heh, got ya IG it was the Swedish PM. He was shot in Stockholm when returning with his wife from the Cinema one evening, a bloke walked out from a side Street and killed him with a .357, he didn't have any body guards with him at the

CS: Misc-Police Corruption

2000-11-30 Thread info
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IG, Look what I dug up... The mysterious missing page! This is ancient history, though no-one else got it all. I can't send it you on my revoked FAC because as you know, they aren't returned to the previous owner, and besides, I don't have your address.

CS: Target-Range Safety Rules

2000-11-30 Thread pendrous
From: "pendrous", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve, As a practicing NRA RO and therefore responsible for the Safety of the Public and competitors during shooting, I understand that the MOD Army have introduced new range safety rules. As it is important I know what these are, where can I get

CS: Misc-Driving on the PROPER side...

2000-11-30 Thread don . esslemont
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And how did they prove that theory? One of the early American carriers had the island on the left, it had a far higher degree of accidents than its compatriots. It's one of the first examples of using human factors in design.

CS: Crime-Boy, 8, alleged to have stalked and shot neighbour

2000-11-30 Thread admin
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ananova, 29/11/00 Canadian police believe an eight-year-old boy has stalked a neighbour through woods with his father's hunting rifle before shooting him twice in the chest. Jean-Guy Roy, 64, is in critical but stable condition in hospital in Ottawa, but relatives say

CS: Misc-us and them

2000-11-30 Thread Don
From: Don Baldwin, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. We do not slavishly applaud or emulate everything that comes from America - this is pure fantasy on your part. But since America is a more violent society, in both absolute and relative terms, than our own (with the usual caveats about it depending

CS: Crime-Bullied boy made list of students to shoot

2000-11-30 Thread admin
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ananova, 29/11/00 A Canadian boy who was taunted by bullies has admitted to making a hit-list of his tormentors with details of how many bullets it would take to kill them. The 15-year-old has been ordered to undergo psychiatric assessment and counselling and put on

CS: Misc-Police Corruption - Correction

2000-11-30 Thread Norman
From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED] A CORRECTION to my last posting. The Peace of Brest-Litovsk was signed on 3 March 1918, not in 1917 as I stated. The peace negotiations started after the Bolshevik Revolution of 17 November 1917 (it's called the "October" Revolution because that was the

CS: Misc-Columbine

2000-11-30 Thread KiPng
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is an interesting series of articles on Columbine. http://www.usatoday.com/hphoto.htm Particularly interesting is the attitude of parents who are more afraid of their children being harmed in school even though the other figures show a decrease in school deaths

CS: Pol-self defence

2000-11-30 Thread niel fagan
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "IG", INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, I'll take up that challenge, as you might expect Why should someone who had 24 hr police protection need a gun for self defence IG Following your argument then, we the tax payers, are having vast sums of OUR

CS: Misc-Police Corruption

2000-11-30 Thread Norman
From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is from IG to me privately and posted here with his permission: "NB: The Great War's history IS available, but not very easily. Part of it is the UK police force's work as government bully-boys strike-breaking from mid-1916 to the end of the Great

CS: Misc-Mick North Article

2000-11-30 Thread Kay, Martin \(DEI\)
From: "Kay, Martin (DEI)", [EMAIL PROTECTED] "It may surprise him to know we used our handguns for sport as well.".. "Well the reasoning of someone who can say he thinks shotguns are okay for sport but handguns aren't is obviously a bit strange.". Are you not in danger of being

CS: Misc-'National maturity'

2000-11-30 Thread SADW
From: SADW, [EMAIL PROTECTED] My comments about 'national maturity' relate to the undeniable fact that many Americans believe the groundrules of the pioneer age still apply, and the 'visceral gene' means many tend to shoot first and ask questions afterwards, both figuratively and literally,

CS: Pol-self defence

2000-11-30 Thread jonathan
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] suggest you join the NRA of America, IG, and read the Armed Citizen column. Try, "more Guns less crime" by John Lott. I've got a copy you can borrow if you want. Jonathan Laws -- The problem with that book is that you need a degree in statistical analysis to

CS: Pol-Stop or I'll chant!

2000-11-30 Thread John Hurst
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doesnt alter my own opinion that there are some people who should not be allowed near to any form of weapon, even though they have not been convicted of any offence. IG, Quite so. The Firearms Act of 1920 and subsequent amending legislation have

CS: Misc-Mick North

2000-11-30 Thread Ron Rosenfeld
From: "Ron Rosenfeld", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mick North has my deepest sympathy for both his losses in recent years. Neither would have been easy to cope with and I am sure that losing both your loved ones in so short a period of time would have devastated even the hardiest of us. I was on the

CS: Misc-Emperor's New Clothes

2000-11-30 Thread info
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] So the answer to your question is yes, I'd be "happy" for this guy to own guns, if I was secure in the knowledge that he was hugely outnumbered by ordinary - but armed - citizens, a situation that used to obtain in this country pre-WW1 but which is now reversed,

CS: Pol-self defence

2000-11-30 Thread IG
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're talking about bodyguards being ineffective, which if anything only bolsters the argument for the intended victim to be armed. If the Queen had had a pistol in a holster, she could have shot back. Not if she was lying on the pavement leaking blood all

CS: Misc-Ejection patterns

2000-11-30 Thread Bippygee
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The 'Hollywood goon' 90 degree style of pistol shooting irritates the hell out of me. I was delighted the other night when a character in a film on Sky took the mickey out of the technique. Just wish I could remember the name of the film. Barry Woodward

CS: Pol-Unity

2000-11-30 Thread Tim Jeffreys
From: "Tim Jeffreys", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good thread. Any presentation of ideas, commercial, academic or otherwise, loses its impact by rambling into details; Statements of common objectives should be short and punchy, and instantly understandable. If those objectives are, for example:

CS: Pol-Stop or I'll chant!

2000-11-30 Thread IG
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think this point drives to the heart of the debate on gun control and the fact that you answer it with levity disappoints me. Oh dear. You dont really need me to answer this! Prince Phillip did it better than I could when he quoted the case for cricket bats

CS: Misc-Hello all

2000-11-30 Thread Earl Williamson
From: "Earl Williamson", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all, I have been following the threads at Cybershooters, SAGBNI Bulletin Board, the newsgroups - uk.politics.guns, rec.guns etc. After all having been involved in the shooting sports now for approx. 21 years(ish) it's always good to hear what

CS: Legal-Airgun power limits

2000-11-30 Thread jim.craig
From: "jim.craig", [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think the difference between the limits for air pistols partially reflects the reality of what was possible with the existing spring and piston technology of the times when power depended partly on the strength of the spring which had to be compressed and

CS: Misc-drugs

2000-11-30 Thread jonathan
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] even in places like Switzerland where heroin use was effectively decriminalised for some time. But you said it yourself in an earlier post, decriminalisation is not the point as it dosen't remove the dodgy characters and their crappy products. Establishing a

CS: Legal-pre-1920

2000-11-30 Thread John Hurst
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it is erroneous to argue that no controls existed prior to 1920, because people ignore the Defence of the Realm regulations in force during the Great War. The prospect of those controls being lifted is what led to the Firearms Act 1920. Steve,

CS: Legal-secure storage

2000-11-30 Thread John Hurst
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED] "It should be noted a person who remains on his own property may with impunity go around positively festooned with weapons. If he has a firearm he would need the appropriate certificate. His house may be a veritable arsenal. He will be committing no

CS: Pol-Stop or I'll chant!

2000-11-30 Thread John Hurst
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you lawfully hold a firearm for, say, shooting deer, there is absolutely nothing wrong in using it for self defence in the home PROVIDED that: It is the minimum force required in the circumstances. It is proportional to the perception of the threat at

CS: Pol-One Organisation

2000-11-30 Thread Norman
From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED] IG has a point about shooters arguing among themselves (though it would just be an internal debate if they were all in the ONE organisation) - I notice for example that you've made some comments about supporting age limits which you've not gone into.

CS: Pol-self defence

2000-11-30 Thread pa49
From: "pa49", [EMAIL PROTECTED] When all is said and done we all have the requirement for a level of self defense. But, it appears that we are all, nowadays, automatically expected to relinquish the duty to provide it to an external authority. And then when that authority fails to deliver we