Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks Tyler Durden Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:56:08 -0800 Oh No Way overly simplistic. Also, you are comparing apples to bushels of wheat. [James Donald:] However Confucianism vs Daoism/Taoism is rather different from what you would get in the west

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

: Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:53:07 +0800 Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks Tyler Durden Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:56:08 -0800 Oh No Way overly simplistic. Also, you are comparing apples to bushels of wheat. [James Donald:] However Confucianism vs Daoism

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

-- James Donald: However Confucianism vs Daoism/Taoism is rather different from what you would get in the west. Confucianism is somewhat similar to what you would get if western cultural conservatives allied themselves with nazi/commies, in the way that the commies are prone to

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

-- On 12 Nov 2004 at 11:12, Tyler Durden wrote: However, blaming the Chinese response to the Meiji restoration on officially unsanctioned thought illustrates a complete cluelessness about China. During that time Chinese intellectuals (which at the time meant practically anyone who had

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

-- ken wrote: And when was this stagnation? R.A. Hettinga wrote: Two words: Ming Navy For those who need more words, the Qing Dynasty forbade ownership or building of ocean going vessels, on pain of death - the early equivalent of the iron curtain. --digsig James A.

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

-- On 12 Nov 2004 at 15:08, Tyler Durden wrote: The Qing were 1) Manchus (ie, not Han Chinese)...they were basically a foreign occupation that stuck around for a while; and 2) (Nominally Tibetan) Buddhists. Although they of course adhered to the larger Confucian notions, they in many ways

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

China stagnated because no thought other than official thought occurred. And when was this stagnation? And what were the reasons China did not stagnate for the previous thousand years?

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

-- On 12 Nov 2004 at 14:29, Tyler Durden wrote: OK, Mr Donald. You clearly imagine the China of 2,500 years ago to operate like a modern 20th century nation-state. You need to rethink this, given a few simple facts: My delusion is evidently widely shared: I did a google search for

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

(and the Japanese) more or less forced this new way of life on them. Hell..come to think of it, the closest precedent to the US invasion of Iraq might be the Japanese invasion of China in 1937. -TD From: ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cypherpunks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: China's wealthy bypass

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

-- James A. Donald. China stagnated because no thought other than official thought occurred. On 12 Nov 2004 at 15:40, ken wrote: And when was this stagnation? Started soon after the Qing dynasty And what were the reasons China did not stagnate for the previous thousand years? When

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

At 3:40 PM + 11/12/04, ken wrote: And when was this stagnation? Two words: Ming Navy Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may

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That is the revisionist version - that china was a free and capitalist society, therefore freedom is not enough to ensure modernity and industrialization - a proposition as ludicrous as similar accounts of more recently existent despotic states. I can't tell if you're arguing me with or just

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

-- On 12 Nov 2004 at 9:51, Tyler Durden wrote: As far as I'm concerned, what Kung Tze does ca 5 BCE is really consdolidate and codify a large and diverse body of practices and beliefs under a fairly unified set of ethical ideas. In that sense, the Legalists were merely a refocusing of the

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cypherpunks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:11:09 -0800 -- ken wrote: And when was this stagnation? R.A. Hettinga wrote: Two words: Ming Navy For those who need more words, the Qing Dynasty forbade ownership

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

words, perception is often reality, and until you (and others like you) accept that, then we'll continue to have bloodbath after bloodbath, initated by 'Christian' and 'Islamic' true believers alike. -TD From: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: China's wealthy

RE: China's wealthy bypass the banks

Fascinating. And typical of the unusual Chinese seesaw that has occurred throuout the aeons between hyper-strict centralized control and something approaching a lite version of anarchy. There's no good mapping of this into Western ideas of fascism, marxism, and economics. Interesting too that

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

-- Tyler Durden wrote: Fascinating. And typical of the unusual Chinese seesaw that has occurred throuout the aeons between hyper-strict centralized control and something approaching a lite version of anarchy. There's no good mapping of this into Western ideas of fascism, marxism, and

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

Oh No Way overly simplistic. Also, you are comparing apples to bushels of wheat. However Confucianism vs Daoism/Taoism is rather different from what you would get in the west. Confucianism is somewhat similar to what you would get if western cultural conservatives allied themselves with