XRCD is not steganographic in the sense that we are disscusing, but merely a
very carefully done 24 bit master mastered down to the normal 16x44 of CD.
They also pay very careful attention to the physical manufacturing of the
disc, and use aluminum as the substrate (instead of the normal
The other formats of note are probably SACD and then DVD-Audio. SACD
is multichannel 16-bit/44.1kHz... so multichannel CD without additional
sample resolution (if I recall). SACD is not backwards compatible
though, whereas HDCD is.
DVD-Audio is really the way to go, though... 24-bit/96kHz
I assume everyone knows the little arrangement that lotus
reached with the NSA over its encrypted secure email?
I'm new here, so do tell if I am wrong. Are you referring to the two levels
of Encryption available in Bogus Notes? (ie, the North American and the
International, the International
or know that their message
is of enough importance to go outside ofLotus Notes or whatever if they have
it.
On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 09:37:52AM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote:
OK, let's assume for the same of argument that it takes about 1 minute
for
Echelon/NSA-like resources to break a weakly
So as a follow on question...what kind of hardware does it take to break the
weak and strong versions of Bogus Notes? Is it possible that NSA or Echelon
have the ability to decode a large number of such messages?
And if the amount of hardware needed to break the strong version is
returns to my original point: the easy availability of strong crypto
products does not mean it is unprofitable for an agency to continue to push
populations towards lighter forms of encryption.
From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Echelon-like...
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:41:21 +0100
Sounds about right. 64 bit crypto in the strong version (which is
not that strong -- the distributed.net challenge recently broke a 64
bit key
Well, there was also some other details left out by that article. A 100kW
beam doesn't tell you very much if you don't know the beam diameter. A
1310nm telecom laser can cause serious eye damage with 10mW, but that's 10mW
into, say 38 um^2. But it ain't going to do nothing to enemy aircraft
: Re: was: Echelon-like resources..
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:57:24 -0700 (PDT)
Tyler Durden
As for Chomsky lying, can you give us
some specific citations? Did he lie
about our support for Sadam Hussein?
No
Our support for Indonesia?
Yes
Our bombing of the sudanese
pharmacuetical
willing to concede that at his point I'm talking completely out of my
arse. (That will change when I get time to do some real homework in this
area, however.)
From: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Echelon-like
Palladium sets up a separate trusted virtual computer inside the PC
processor, with its own OS, called Nexus, and it own applications, called
agents.
Holy crap. So does this mean that MS Windows 2005 with Palladium operating
will take about 15 minutes to boot up? Will Age of Empires 5 even be
Apparently a new Crypto chip from nCipher.
What's the C-punks view on this standard--FIPS 140-2 Level 3? Anyone have a
link to this document?
REDWOOD CITY, Calif. -- Ingrian Networks, the leader in Active Application
Security solutions, announced it has extended its strategic relationship
Notes) on EVERY message they sent.
Or perhaps you've all discussed this before, but the responses I've seen so
far don't indicate that.
From: Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Durden lies, was: Echelon-like resources...
Date: Fri, 11 Oct
Uh, first of all can we get rid of the part of the subject line that says
Durden lies? (Particularly seeing how the quote attributed to me did not
originate from me.)
As for Chomsky lying, can you give us some specific citations? Did he lie
about our support for Sadam Hussein? Our support for
In antoher context I've wondered about the possibility of wireless,
near-real-time video upload. With 3G this will cetainly be easy, but I'm
wondering if there are soft/hard gadgets that can auto-upload stuff.(In
addition, 3G looks like it's going to roll out in the US only in fits and
starts
AM 10/28/02 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
In antoher context I've wondered about the possibility of wireless,
near-real-time video upload. With 3G this will cetainly be easy, but
I'm
wondering if there are soft/hard gadgets that can auto-upload stuff.
Plenty of webcams come with software to auto
Any chance this is the same Dave Emery who does the radio broadcasts? (I
listen from WFMU). If so, man! If a tiny fraction of the stuff you have said
over the years is true, well...brrr. A good example is Los Amigos de
Bush...doesn't have to be true/right...the fact that those theories so
Everyone pretty much knows who all is involved, and has to keep in contact
with each other in order to capture video optimally.
Well, I've been wondering how feasible it would be to implement video
transfer in such a way that the cameras don't know the buffers in
advance. Haven't put pen to
Some of these problems can be avoided by using very short pulses.
Again you get into dwell, the short pulses -must- be made up for by
increasing the PRR and this defeats the who purpose of the short pulses
since you need more of them (we're talking an integration effect here
so it doesn't take
...
From: Trei, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Tyler Durden' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: What email encryption is actually in use?
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:00:56 -0500
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From: Tyler Durden[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 10:13 AM
The subject line says it all, if one remembers Variola's clever dare.
As far as I'm concerned, this big brother bullshit should work two ways: any
tyrrany should expect that any public actions will make it onto the net
somewhere. Of course, one day they'll probably begin a set of countermoves,
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Subject: Re: Photos in transport plane of prisoners: Time for eJazeera?
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 17:53:48 -0800
At 08:32 PM 11/9/02 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
So I'm still playing with the idea of a publically-accessible document
that
outlines
Sorry, I'm new, but does this refer to the notion of splitting up a document
holographically, and placing the various pieces of numerous servers
throughout the 'Net? (Any one piece will probably not contain a complete
copy of the information, and is encrypted too, sot that it is not possible
a little chatty and clumsy at this point.
From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:04:32 -0800
On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 10:22 AM, Tyler Durden wrote:
Well, my main point was that the fact that we
2002 08:26:02 -0800 (PST)
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:
Damn what a pack of geeks! (Looks like I might end up liking this list!)
It's full of nut cases too :-)
I have not, however, heretofore considered that there could exist
systems
that had some form of completeness built in. My
a) Those friggin' war-posters are hilarious.
b) Downstairs and across the street in front of Starbucks I just saw two NYC
cops holding what looked like AK-47s...on their backs it said Emergency
Coercive Unit.
_
Protect your PC -
Damn what a pack of geeks! (Looks like I might end up liking this list!)
When we say complete, are we talking about completeness in the Godelian
sense? According to Godel, and formal system (except for the possibility of
the oddballs mentioned below--I hadn't heard of this possibility) is
How can anyone claim that the U.S. or Israel or corporations or rich
Americans are morally worse than the likes of Hussein?
Can't answer that directly, aside from pointing out that theUS is largely
responsible for Hussein's rise to power. I could be argued that oil in our
hands has created many
Indeed, I've heard the same. One could argue that for someone to believe in
something (religion) so intensely as to shun all moral explanation against
this hypothesis and to persist in those beliefs without any proof is akin to
schizophrenia.
Well, I'm sure this is not an issue that
Holy Shit!
Does that mean that some 18-year-old script kiddie could get LIFE?
If this wasn't such an immense pile of stupidity, I'd get angry over the
obvious invasions of privacy, etc...
Having worked in many a company, I KNOW how most management systems work.
Let's say there's something as
I'm looking for an application that sits on a webserver and receives
encrypted images and audio, de-encrypts them, and auto-posts the images.
This application will have a public key which on-the-ground videographers
(or uploaders) can use. But it's private key no human being knows.
The
Damn. I can't help but think that this sounds kinda Kafka-esque...might we
see something like this in the future?
Court: Please provide a defense for the charges that have been levied
against you.
Gilmore: Sure, if you'll tell me what the charges are, and what law I've
broken.
Court: No.
Who, for instance, sees nothing at all wrong with selling votes. Where I
come from, it's called equity. :-).
Yes, one could argue that the vast majority of the public have their votes
bought and sold all the time, but they are unaware of it and don't reap the
benefits. Wait scratch that...they
And to think some people think Timoth McVeigh was wrong in liquidating a
military target.
Holy Crap May, I'm not quite sure how you meant this but I find this
distrubing (and I agree with a lot of what you post)...by Military Target
do you mean the building, or the people (and children) who
So there's plenty of meat for conspiracy theory for a long time to come
Dave Emory has documented possible links between McVeigh and neo-fascist
groups. Search through http://www.spitfirelist.com/.
He also extensively documents connections between the Bush family and the
bin Ladens
From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: KK wired article on TOE etc
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:48:40 -0800
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 10:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
as just noted by TCM, kevin kelly on a computational/algorithmic TOE,
wolfram, wheeler,
If we left them alone, we'd be in constant
fear of various types of terrorism funded by many governments in that
region. We'd always be a hostage to OPEC.
These are probably the same arguments used by our state department, and I
have to take exception with them. US involvement with the middle
Granted. I wish we could go back to isolationism, but as the worlds only
remaining Super Power, that seems unlikely. No matter what we do, we
simply can't win. When faced with a game I can't win, I either decide to
not play, or I cheat. For the US, the first isn't an option.
Mikey:
I would suggest tangling with Chomsky for a bit. Start with...
http://zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=11ItemID=2312
And then go from there. I have to agree with Peter Trei that your arguments
sound pretty pre-packaged and freeze-dried, very similar to the pablum the
American
and morees. This, of course, does not
absolve what is done in the name of that code, but it does make us realize
that human nature in the Middle East is not significantly different from
human nature in, say, the US.
From: Mike Diehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jim Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED],Tyler
In school yard politics this edge is normally a weapon
of some sort that can equalize the playing field (guns usually in the US,
try going to an inner city public school for 2 years). Saddam sees this and
that is what let him to develop those WMD, to equalize against a superior
foe / bully
A
As to dangerous, I find that most of the people using violence in this
country are anti-drug, not pro.
Can't exactly agree with ya' here. Just watch COPS...most of those actually
committing stupid crimes are apparently pro-Alchohol.
Pot? We can't have THAT be legalized now, or the CIA will lose
Well, they have enough non-central leadership to all be against Israel and
the US. And to have been at war against the Israelies since Bible times...
OK, Mike, this is a good example of the kind of facts that lead to fairly
easy (though erroneous) conclusions.
Let's have some history here.
Sorry to be a blabbermouth folks, but this one is interesting. Delete
anything I've written in the last two days if ya' want.
Here's something I've been thinking about for various reasons. I'm assuming
this doesn't exist yet, but it's such an interesting idea I'm tempted to
brush the dust off
, just 'hides' it a la
Rubberhose.)
And of course, we'd like to be able to do this on a message-by-message
basis.
From: Keith Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Psuedo-Private Key (eJazeera)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:49:43 -0600
Quoting Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED
be something completely innocuous
and unrelated to what they were looking for, or in other cases it could
look like what they were looking for albeit with doctored information.
From: dmolnar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject
Variola wrote...
What's missing? What part of your threat model didn't they consider?
Well, that the recipient of the message may not be on their own machine (not
running Rubberhose), etc...
Stego your activist photos into kiddie porn which is stegoed into random
plaintext cover images.
UBIK is a book by Philip K. Dick.
In the book, the main character is continually receiving messages to imbibe
or otherwise apply the substance UBIK to himself. He is unaware (for most of
the book) that he has died and is in deep freeze, and that his boss Runciter
is sending him UBIK messages so
identifying network miscreants and revoking their network privileges
If one has any doubt, this sentence says it all. In fact,
revoking their network privileges
does it. No, wait,
network privileges is enough.
From: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL
Poindexter is no dummy. And criticism of TIA based on his past felony
trial, the basis of William Safire's main attack, is on the wrong track.
Would TIA be more acceptable if it were being pushed by a true Boy Scout?
Of course not.
Yeah, I was wondering when someone was going to comment on
This assumes the insert doesn't result in negative fitness (could very
well be, if the insert kills a gene).
If the information is the history of human civilization, that may very well
end up being information of great negative fitness! (We shall see...)
Actually, from what I understand, there
I'd bet ya' anything that's a CO (Central Office). That's where the phone
company has its telecom gear for the area.
From: Tarapia Tapioco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: stego building
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:49:29 +0100 (CET)
There is a huge concrete building, hardly
The vast majority of people are not interested in 'getting along' or 'live
and let live', they are interested in creating an environment where the
acceptable views and activities are limited (usually pretty severely). This
problem will only become more clear as the differences in the potential
its possible I am wrong and there is a wonderful distributed-computing
method to solve these purely network routing problems, but it is news to
me.
I just don't see how a single WiFi cloud will be able to scale very far. All
the WiFi users within eyeshot of each other are always going to
(Tyler Durden, _please_ learn to trim your replies. Your quote the entire
thing top posting is getting tiresome. I hear there are night school
classes which teach Outlook Express or whichever braindead mailer you are
using.)
Damn are you grumpy Tim May. Whaddya usin', carrier pigeon
That any particular string can be -precisely- defined as truth or false
as required by the definition of completeness, is what is not possible.
Here we come down to what appears to be at the heart of the confusion as far
as I see it. True, depending on who's saying it (even in a discussion of
Well, this is quite a post, and I agree with most of it.
As for the Godel stuff, there's a part of it with which I disagree (or at
least as far as I take what you said).
If you want
to compare something mathematically you -must- use the same axioms and
rules of derivation. The -only-
I poked around this article and they discussed an issue I had realised
w.r.t. the free Wireless networking issue we were kicking around last week
or so.
I was wondering if there was any way around the intra-zone congestion issue,
and whether a user (and possibly the wireless network that
I'll have to try this (and it should work seeing how I'm Tyler Durden!).
But I have utilized a stopgap strategy for a number of years now that has
worked pretty good:
1) If I hear silence for more than a moment or two I hang up the phone.
2) If I hear a large number of people talking
Technological solutions are preferable over statist solutions (which don't
usually even work, as the statists write the rules and exempt themselves and
their friends).
Ya know Tim May, you say a lotta crazy shit but every now and then you say
something that really makes some sense.
If you put one of these stickers on your car, you are giving the
police permission to pull the car over without probable cause if
they find it on the road late at night (1am-5am, or something like
that), just to check that all is in order.
I think it's being promoted as an anti-theft tool.
eJazeera, Baby!
That guy should have had a tiny laptop or something that could wisk those
images off the moment an 802.l1 port was detected. (Actually, it should wisk
off a copy of the photos EVERY time an 802.11 port is detected!)
In addition, wouldn't it be great if he had actually had a
Actually, Tyler Durden (ie, me) wrote what is attributed to the generic
anonymous name of Norman Nescio. Anyway,...
Part of the problem is that the detection equipment is many fermions
looking at single particles. I think QM is easier to understand when
looking at an ion trap. There are lots
I think you're drifting here from my original point, which that it is in no
way illegal, or even immoral, to run free software on hardware that you own,
and to pick any locks on the hardware you own, which would preclude you from
doing so.
Amen, brudda. So will the cops eventually bust down my
WOW!
While I may agree that Tim May seems to like anarchy as long as he's in
charge of it, he does come up with some truly destabilising and dangerous
ideas every now and then.
Like his alter ego Jim Choate, there's some real signal burried under that
noise so at least token measures of
Do you forget the episode of the Simpsons where Homer has a camera installed
in his 10-gallon hat? (He was catching Apu recycling expired hotdogs or
something.)
-TD
(Who is not RA Hettinga, at least when RAH is awake.)
From: R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: James A. Donald [EMAIL
Tim May wrote...
I've been seeing your nitwitticisms and shallow observations for several
weeks now. Time to plonk you. Bye.
And I can honestly say that based on Tim May's responses, he simply doesn't
get what I am saying most of the time.
In this case I wasn't actually being too clever.
In
Tim May wrote...
Cowboy hats are much more common in Cypherpunks Bay Aryan meetings
Uh...do you actually hold Aryan meetings? Is this a white supremist
thing, or will the following be welcome:
Iranians
Afghans
Most people hailing from Northern India
Turks
And for that matter, what about
the only level that Tim May seems to
think Tyler Durden operates on), the US trial by a jury of your peers and
innocent until proven guilty are not supposed to be Rome-like luxuries of
being a citizen. They in theory represent a system that protects the accused
from basically being the target
that
is concomittant, including hoped-for genocides), in which case bludgeoning
him with a heavy, blunt object in the base of the skull would be a break for
all humanity.
-TD
From: Steve Mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Security
Major Variola wrote...
Reference). Of course, the Bhagavad Gita is a subsection of the
Maybe your highschool has firewalled off anything that will lead
you to Hoffman, Ott, Huxley, etc.
Yeah, read all a lot of that shit 25 years ago. Seems easier to ask in an
email while making some
Some guy wrote
You are moron.
Care to be a little more specific? (I'm not afraid of a little criticism,
particularly if its constructive.)
Even if true, I don't see how that comment pertains to my reply.
For all I know, I've been posting on a list haunted by a bunch of
crypto-white
: 12 Jan 2003 20:55:51 -
At 09:33 PM 01/10/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
For all I know, I've been posting on a list haunted by a bunch of
crypto-white supremists (crypto, as in secret, hidden). And if that's
the case, then I want to know. Figured I'd ask for clarification on
this issue
: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:13:32 -0600 (CST)
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Tyler Durden wrote:
For all I know, I've been posting on a list haunted by a bunch of
crypto-white supremists (crypto, as in secret, hidden). And if that's
the
case, then I want to know
Actually, this may turn out to be more an academic issue than anything.
If someone wanted bubonic or pnuemonic samples, all he'd have to do is just
grab someone from the western hospitals that contract it each year.
Contrary to popular belief, it still exists, but we have effective
treatments
John Keley wrote...
There are terrorists who'd want to do nasty things to us for simply
allowing global trade, or for allowing trade with repressive regimes like
Saudi Arabia or Nigeria, or for selling weapons to countries with bad human
rights records.
Hummm...kind of an odd argument, don't
, we have no particular qualm.
-Tyler Durden
From: Jay h [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Small taste of things to come if the war on Iraq happens.
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 07:45:56 -0500
-- Original Message --
From: Matthew X [EMAIL
Nobody said...
Cops probably deserve *your* thanks, since they maintain *your* cash flow.
Are you sayin' this guy's growing some grade-A hydroponic sensimilla?
-TD
_
MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months
But that girl was really an undercover cop- surfing the web as part
of a police sting operation.
OK, so does this mean that the girl wasn't actually 16, just posing as a 16
year-old? (ie, when did the cops start hiring 16 year olds?)
So, this guy was busted for BELIEVING that the girl was 16,
WH Robinson wrote...
convey the truth about America and the goals we share with people
everywhere.
I agree with your ultimate conclusions, but I'm not sure you need so much
irony in interpreting these words. My favorite example is Nancy Reagan's
Just say NO to drugs...she was a big-time
Tim May wrote...
Ain't gonna be a lot of negroes and Mexicans after this war is over. (I'm
not a racist. It's their leaders and their ideology that is to blame. These
leaders have led their followers to acts which cannot be forgiven, and which
must be punished by death. Nearly all of them need
I got a hold of a little gadget recently that is very nearly perfect for
certain forms of data storage. It's called a Thumbdrive and I bought it
online somewhere (64Meg for about $179 or so).
The cool thing about this drive (small enough that it has holes for use as a
keychain) is that it's
Peter Trei wrote...
What's you're threat model? If it's your wife or kid sister, this
might work. If it's a major corporation or a government, forget
it - they'll bitcopy the whole flash rom, and look at it with ease.
At this point, most of my threat models are on this level or the next one
John Bethancourt wrote...
One of these days, I might build a little device that stores a private key
and does on-board encryption using a microcontroller. I would do it just for
fun, since it is pretty useless if the infrastructure to support it is not
out there.
...while Thomas Shaddack gave
Robert Fripp
has said: Incremental changes are transformative.)
-TD
Cheap, fast, easy, and MASSIVELY scalability: that's the real end-run.
From: John Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas Shaddack
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tyler Durden
XML-specification? Sounds like one of Variola's posts:
bulletableNoam Chomskybulletable
commie-fagsDC Anti-war Protestcommie-fags
nonAmericanelectrifiedPlungerHandleMohammedAkbarelectrifiedPlungerHandlenonAmerican
-TD
From: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC:
Yo! Anyone out there in codeville know if the following is possible?
I'd like to be able digitally shake hands using a Palm Pilot. Is this
possible?
What I mean is,
Let's say some disgruntled and generic crypto-kook (let's call him,
say,...'Tyler Durden') has been signing his (tiring) cyber
And don't forget his promise that we'll all be able to buy Hydrogen-powered
cars by 2020 or so. Guess that's how long he thinks this war on terrorism
will last (and its probability for ending!).
-TD
_
Tired of spam? Get advanced
Mike Rossing wrote...
Just gotta kill off a few more arabs to extend the time when that happens
is all.
That gives me a damned good idea. Perhaps we can use Camp XRay to do some
research on how to melt down Muslims and convert then directly into fossil
fuels, bypassing all the
I don't really understand why examining the current state of affairs in US
transportation is productive.
Who built the highway system? Private companies? Hell no.
Basically, the US government did, and that acted as the initial investment
to make the value of an automobile (via the Network
You folks here pay lip service to aspect of free markets and
anarcho-capitalism,but many of you consistently fail to see the
follow-through, the applicability to the world around you. You need to have
faith that greed is good, that free markets optimize a lot better than
planners in
Great how bush's daughter, the cocaine addict, isn't in jail, but this
man, who was deputized by the city of oakland to grow this marijuana,
is going to be in jail for 20 years. Bush himself was arrested for
DUI, I wish he was rotting in jail instead of ed.
Hold it...Bush's relationship with
Tim May wrote...
Silliness. The name cypherpunks was a pun on cyberpunks, a pun
suggested by Jude Milhon, a woman writer for Mondo 2000 at the time.
Being that there is no body which decides what our group is called, or
even that it _is_ a group, saying that someone's pun on top of someone
Declan:
Yes perhaps. I try not to think too much (I don't trust 'thinking' unless
its mathematics or a good experimental setup), but I'll ponder for a while,
to the extent that I am able
-TD
From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL
Jesus H(I assume the 'H' was instered to avert the condemnation of
blasphemy)...quite a good post.
Heard and duly noted.
-TD
From: John Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Flaming the Clueless
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 09:32:47 -0800 (PST)
It's common for those
Tim May wrote...
Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an information slug at the
bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: Columbia was traveling 18 times faster
than the speed of light.
Yes, speed of light.
Yo Choate! Want to take a crack at this? Please explain using your theories
how
That's redundant in the modern US. Too bad; there needs to be a
counterbalance to the right-wing control freaks, but the left just
isn't up to it.
Good comment. Indeed, the only thing the Democrats seem to stand for is that
they aren't republicans. Meanwhile, the economics of the 'real' left
Tim May wrote...
Even t.v. commercials are spreading the meme that Big Brother is our
friend.
Funny he should mention this. This very morning was watching the news and a
commerical came on for a local monitored Burglar alarm system. It featured a
Customed Superhero Alarmo (I think), going
Don't count on EU, we're just as fucked, albeit with a slight delay.
What about Italy? The Italians seem to be remarkably good at ignoring both
the vatican as well as their government (which changes every few years and
no wonder...do ANY Italians actually pay taxes?). And yet, Northern Italy
hanging from meat hooks very
amusing: Once Fasicism fell out of fashion, they turned on their
ex-dicatator like a pack of wild dogs (they supposedly dragged those bodies
through the streets for days until there wasn't much left!).
-TD
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To: Tyler Durden
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