Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-12-09 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 09:57:07AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Hi everybody, thanks a lot to Francesco for getting me back into the loop and for providing some additional useful feedback. To keep you posted on this issue: I've forwarded a request for advice to the SPI board. My suggestion

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-12-06 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 07:54:03PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: Thanks Joss for the Cc, as I'm not subscribed to -legal (so please keep the Cc on replies). Done. Hi everybody, thanks a lot to Francesco for getting me back into the loop and for providing some additional useful feedback.

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-12-02 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 05:24:05PM -0600, Michael Cassano wrote: I didn't get the exact parameters needed to obtain Debian's logo, but I did show that they are not default. But you didn't show they aren't trivial to unpurposefully reproduce. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-12-01 Thread Arthur Machlas
But copyright doesn't apply to independent invention, which he claims this is, and which seems fairly reasonable.  If he independently invented it we only have a trademark claim; if we don't have a trademark claim we have none Have you actually looked at it? It's not similar. It's identical.

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-12-01 Thread Alessandro Rubini
Can it really be reasonable, in any sense of the word, to believe that this company would independently invent an identical logo, pixel for pixel, changing only the hue. No, not reasonable. Unless both copied from the same swirl. Which seems reasonable. See

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-12-01 Thread Arthur Machlas
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Alessandro Rubini rub...@arcana.linux.it wrote: Can it really be reasonable, in any sense of the word, to believe that this company would independently invent an identical logo, pixel for pixel, changing only the hue. No, not reasonable. Unless both copied from

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-12-01 Thread Michael Cassano
The message from 2005 seems to indicate it was produced using Illustrator, not Photoshop. Attached is an image I just created using Illustrator 14.0.0, my goal was to recreate the Debian logo. I used the 'rough charcoal' brush with the swirl tool. I didn't create the original Debian logo but it

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-12-01 Thread Michael Cassano
Correct, I swirled it too much, that is my point. What are the odds that the blue logo in question swirled their logo pixel-for-pixel the same as Debian's? I believe the odds are low given the couple minutes of work I put into using the tool (Illustrator). Mike On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:30 AM,

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-12-01 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 10:40:55AM -0600, Michael Cassano wrote: Correct, I swirled it too much, that is my point. What are the odds that the blue logo in question swirled their logo pixel-for-pixel the same as Debian's? I believe the odds are low given the couple minutes of work I put into

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-12-01 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:47:23 +0100 Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: [...] Thanks Joss for the Cc, as I'm not subscribed to -legal (so please keep the Cc on replies). Done. I've read the thread and I do have some questions for the list. As far as I can tell, there is no *trademark* violation

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-12-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:36:44AM +0100, Alessandro Rubini wrote: FYI - A computer shop has taken the Debian logo and used it for his business. http://imgur.com/gFKfs.jpg Thank you for making this jpeg, it's very clear. [...] The comapny Logo was created by photoshop and Logo

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-12-01 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 02:50:04PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:36:44AM +0100, Alessandro Rubini wrote: FYI - A computer shop has taken the Debian logo and used it for his business. http://imgur.com/gFKfs.jpg Thank you for making this jpeg, it's very

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-12-01 Thread Michael Cassano
I didn't get the exact parameters needed to obtain Debian's logo, but I did show that they are not default. Mike On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Mike Hommey m...@glandium.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 02:50:04PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:36:44AM +0100,

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-11-30 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 02:40:25PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Stefano just mentioned that it would be better to CC him if we want something to be done to do something. So here we go. Thanks Joss for the Cc, as I'm not subscribed to -legal (so please keep the Cc on replies). I've read the

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-11-30 Thread Arnaud Fouquaut
Hi, Josselin Mouette a écrit : A trademark is a trademark. If we don’t enforce it, we lose it. Absolutly but I believe that the swirl is not include in the Debian's trademark. So, currently, the blue swirl could only be a copyright violation. Bye, -- Arnaud Fouquaut http://arno.skamp.eu.org

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-11-30 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: As far as I can tell (IANAL, and before contacting SPI lawyer) what we should ask Legend PC is then to come into compliance of the license, by mentioning copyright and permission notices. But copyright doesn't apply to independent invention, which

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-11-30 Thread Thibaut Paumard
Hi, Le 30/11/10 23:46, Ken Arromdee a écrit : But copyright doesn't apply to independent invention, which he claims this is, and which seems fairly reasonable. If he independently invented it we only have a trademark claim; if we don't have a trademark claim we have none. IANAL, but as far

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-11-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 28 novembre 2010 à 10:36 +0100, Alessandro Rubini a écrit : http://imgur.com/gFKfs.jpg Thank you for making this jpeg, it's very clear. [...] The comapny Logo was created by photoshop and Logo software, we desgined it from the stretch. if you have somethins to say, give us

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-11-28 Thread Alessandro Rubini
FYI - A computer shop has taken the Debian logo and used it for his business. http://imgur.com/gFKfs.jpg Thank you for making this jpeg, it's very clear. [...] The comapny Logo was created by photoshop and Logo software, we desgined it from the stretch. if you have somethins to say, give

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-11-28 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Sam McLeod sam...@gmail.com writes: FYI - A computer shop has taken the Debian logo and used it for his business. Nowhere does the business mention Debian and when I sent the owner an email informing him of the misuse and linking him to debian.org/logos - he claimed he created the logo from

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-11-28 Thread Sam McLeod
Thanks for pointing this out. I guess this one is case closed! Sam. On 28 November 2010 22:36, Alessandro Rubini rub...@arcana.linux.it wrote: FYI - A computer shop has taken the Debian logo and used it for his business. http://imgur.com/gFKfs.jpg Thank you for making this jpeg, it's

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-11-28 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 22:01:33 +1300 Sam McLeod wrote: FYI - A computer shop has taken the Debian logo and used it for his business. Nowhere does the business mention Debian and when I sent the owner an email informing him of the misuse and linking him to debian.org/logos - he claimed he

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-11-28 Thread Ben Finney
Alessandro Rubini rub...@arcana.linux.it writes: [...] The comapny Logo was created by photoshop and Logo software, we desgined it from the stretch. if you have somethins to say, give us a call. Unfortunately, they may be right and in good faith. Right. But that may not matter, since

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-11-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Alessandro Rubini rub...@arcana.linux.it writes: This message confirms the swirl is just one of the defaults:       http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/06/msg00340.html [which, may I say, was quite a naive

Re: Inappropriate use of Debian logo.

2010-11-28 Thread Ben Finney
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: But it's a burden to be borne now. I don't really agree, we can have another logo competition. These days we have several artists involved with Debian so we might get a great