Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-14 Thread Ivo Wever
Philipp Lehman wrote: Ivo Wever [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some people advise to repeat this procedure several times. Can anyone explain why? I see no reason why one pass doesn't suffice. [..] http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html Thanks for the replies and especially

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya philip pick the method best for your paranoia level... ( more paranoia.. -- more time/$$$ to securely shred the disks http://www.Linux-Sec.net/Txt/erase.txt c ya alvin - 100% sure way... take a hammer... and make itty=bitty pieces of the disks and than burn it at high

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Robert Waldner
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:37:04 +0200, Philipp Lehman writes: I want to sell an old machine that I don't use any more but there's still sensitive stuff like personal emails, gpg keys, and passwords on the hdd. What's the recommended way to securely 'shred' this data so that it cannot be undeleted

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Joris
I want to sell an old machine that I don't use any more but there's still sensitive stuff like personal emails, gpg keys, and passwords on the hdd. What's the recommended way to securely 'shred' this data so that it cannot be undeleted by the next owner? I assume I need to do something like

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 01:37:04PM +0200, Philipp Lehman wrote: I want to sell an old machine that I don't use any more but there's still sensitive stuff like personal emails, gpg keys, and passwords on the hdd. What's the recommended way to securely 'shred' this data so that it cannot be

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Ivo Wever
Robert Waldner wrote: Philipp Lehman writes: I want to sell an old machine that I don't use any more but there's still sensitive stuff like personal emails, gpg keys, and passwords on the hdd. What's the recommended way to securely 'shred' this data so that it cannot be undeleted by the next

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Ross Burton
On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 13:54, Ivo Wever wrote: But, for all practical values, a simple `dd if=dev/urandom bs=1M \ of=/dev/hdX` should be quite sufficient. Some people advise to repeat this procedure several times. Can anyone explain why? I see no reason why one pass doesn't suffice. Data can

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 02:54:44PM +0200, Ivo Wever wrote: Robert Waldner wrote: But, for all practical values, a simple `dd if=dev/urandom bs=1M \ of=/dev/hdX` should be quite sufficient. Some people advise to repeat this procedure several times. Can anyone explain why? I see no reason

RE: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Jan Johansson
I remember reading about a data recovery team that recovered files after the data had supposedly been removed with a 'dd' command like above. www.ibas.no they claim to be able to see under 3 layers of overwrites. And since they are a public contractor.. wonder what the not-so-public people

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Nicos Gollan
On Thursday 13 June 2002 14:54, Ivo Wever wrote: Some people advise to repeat this procedure several times. Can anyone explain why? I see no reason why one pass doesn't suffice. IIRC, this has to do with minor mis-calibrations of the read/write heads that may leave tiny traces of the old data

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Ian D. Stewart
On 2002.06.13 09:16 Jan Johansson wrote: I remember reading about a data recovery team that recovered files after the data had supposedly been removed with a 'dd' command like above. www.ibas.no they claim to be able to see under 3 layers of overwrites. And since they are a public

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Loren Jordan
At 10:38 AM 6/13/2002 -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: On 2002.06.13 09:16 Jan Johansson wrote: I remember reading about a data recovery team that recovered files after the data had supposedly been removed with a 'dd' command like above. www.ibas.no they claim to be able to see under 3 layers of

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 12:21:33PM -0400, Loren Jordan wrote: At 10:38 AM 6/13/2002 -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: When I was in the (US) Navy, a hard drive that contained classified data wasn't considered clean until after 7 swipes. There are places that only consider a smoldering pile of