Le dimanche 17 janvier 2016 à 20:41 +0100, Pascal Hambourg a écrit :
> Francois Lafont a écrit :
> >
> > Mais alors, si jamais on monte un disque SSD sans l'option discard _et_ sans
> > prendre le soin de faire un fstrim régulièrement, alors que se passe-t-il ?
> > Le disque va se remplir
A mi em passa quelcom semblant,
Ja fa dies ho reportava a la llista ( Canvi d'ISP i problemes en el
rendiment de la connexió. ).
I encara estic intentant acotar on rau el problema ... ja direu si ho
esbrineu ;-)
El dia 17 de gener de 2016, 21:16, Narcis Garcia ha
escrit:
Déjà merci Sébastien et Pascal pour toutes ces explications.
On 17/01/2016 20:41, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
>> Mais alors, si jamais on monte un disque SSD sans l'option discard _et_ sans
>> prendre le soin de faire un fstrim régulièrement, alors que se passe-t-il ?
>> Le disque va se remplir
Tonteras, estaba mejor el clásico. Ami me sirve mucho los iconos de la
versión clásica, y la "moderna" , se me hace muy apelmazado
On Jan 17, 2016 3:03 PM, "Miguel Matos" wrote:
> Vía Genbeta.
>
> GNOME es uno de los entornos de escritorio más utilizados del ecosistema
>
Understood!
On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 7:38 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 12:09:47PM +0200, / vt wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for the rant but this is driving me crazy - I don't see the point
> of
> > this change. It makes me a thousand times slower.
>
>
On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 03:59:57PM +0200, Moreanu Robert - Nicolae wrote:
> hi
> i'm looking to resolve this problem when I want to install debian 8.2 or
> 8.1. I receive this message after it's take to Grub install
>
> " the 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/ "
> after the
Vía Genbeta.
GNOME es uno de los entornos de escritorio más utilizados del ecosistema
GNU/Linux. No sólo es uno de los sabores que casi todas las distros
incluyen en su repertorio, sino que incluso otros que no apuestan por él
como Ubuntu acaban tomando prestado alguno de sus componentes. Un
Le Fri, 15 Jan 2016 22:00:02 +0100, andre_debian a écrit :
> Quel revirement de la majorité depuis la circulaire 2012 de j.m.
> Ayrault...
> => vers Micro$oft toutes !
ça paye plus :-(
On Sunday 17 January 2016 22:19:34 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 17 January 2016 09:14:33 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > I think you'll find the 'tail' command is in your path, in this
> > instance.
>
> tail is the program, not the argument. The argument of course is the
> list of options between
El sáb, 16-01-2016 a las 18:28 -0600, Debia Linux escribió:
> 2016-01-13 18:09 GMT-06:00 Jorge Chaves :
> > Sí, me gusta mucho la filosofía del software libre, por eso uso Debian
> > y porque también soy un poco enreda, la verdad, me gusta curiosear.
> > Actualmente
Eddy F. a écrit :
> Si quelqu'un peut me rassurer :-)
Je ne sais pas si l'interruption de fstrim est ravageuse ou pas (je ne
le pense pas vu ce qu'elle fait) mais s'il s'agit de te rassurer, tu
peux la lancer à la main :
sudo /sbin/fstrim /
Sur mon poste, son exécution prend une poignée de
Le 17 jan 2016 à 19:57 (+0100)
Sébastien Dinot a écrit:
> Je ne sais pas si l'interruption de fstrim est ravageuse ou pas (je ne
> le pense pas vu ce qu'elle fait) mais s'il s'agit de te rassurer, tu
> peux la lancer à la main :
>
> sudo /sbin/fstrim /
Oui mais le
Fa una setmana que m'han instal.lat la fibra óptica. La velocitat hauria
de ser de 300 meges peró la realitat és que amb cap dels dos ordinadors
que tinc l'assoleixo, com a máxim 30 meges per cable i per la wifi del
portátil unes 40 meges.
Vaig trucar a telefónica, van venir a revisar-ho tot i
Regards. I installed Debian Xfce 8.2 jessie 3 times . In the three times the
installed sound to work. After installing these applications : Gufw , ClamTk ,
icedtea , GEARY , GPARTED , SHUTTER , Kolourpaint , KEEPASX , GNOME -
PACKAGEDIT & CHROME sound stopped working and although I installed
Hi, Dan.
Thanks for your reply.
On 17/01/16 09:56, Dan Ritter wrote:
>> In fact, I tested it with a new TP-Link card with the same Realtek
>> chipset and I have observed the same behavior.
>>
>> Any idea what could be the problem?
> Disable autonegotiation on both sides; set it to full duplex
On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 03:33:05PM +0200, Moreanu Robert - Nicolae wrote:
> hi,
> i'm looking to resolve this problem when I want to install debian 8.2 or
> 8.1. I receive this message after it's take to Grub install
>
> " the 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/ "
> after the
On Sunday 17 January 2016 21:48:48 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 03:59:57PM +0200, Moreanu Robert - Nicolae wrote:
> > hi
> > i'm looking to resolve this problem when I want to install debian 8.2 or
> > 8.1. I receive this message after it's take to Grub install
> >
> > " the
Le 17 jan 2016 à 14:21 (+0100)
Sébastien Dinot a écrit:
> En outre, à ma connaissance, l'option discard a plutôt un effet
> négatif sur les performances. Cf. le point 3 de l'article ci-dessous :
>
>
Francois Lafont a écrit :
>
> Mais alors, si jamais on monte un disque SSD sans l'option discard _et_ sans
> prendre le soin de faire un fstrim régulièrement, alors que se passe-t-il ?
> Le disque va se remplir inexorablement au fil du temps
Oui, en quelque sorte.
> et à un moment donné je ne
Saludos,
Este fin de semana actualicé algunos servidores y en uno de ellos me
apareció el siguiente mensaje al actualizar grub:
warning: Sector 32 is already in use by the program `FlexNet';
avoiding it. This software may cause boot or other problems in future.
Please ask its authors
On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 05:07:20PM -0300, Daniel Bareiro wrote:
> Hi, Dan.
>
> Thanks for your reply.
...
> That is, it seems that the communication notebook <---> router works
> well regardless of the type of negotiation on the notebook side.
>
> But when I reconnect the firewall to the
On Sunday 17 January 2016 09:46:36 Joe wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 20:28:50 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Bugs in the gcode exporter are my main beefs. In the gcode output
> > for bottom.ngc, with spot drilling enabled, it outputs a line for
> > each of the holes, but
It may be a 2003 machine, though it has to have a bios install since
it's too old to handle uefi.
On Mon, 18 Jan 2016, Stuart Longland wrote:
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 12:48:19
From: Stuart Longland
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Is anybody Running
A mi m'estan funcionant els 300mbps de connexions a internet de
Telefónica/Movistar tant amb Debian 7 com amb Debian 8.
En un ordinador amb Debian 7 hi tinc una Realtek RTL8169
En un ordinador amb Debian 8 hi tinc una Intel I218-V
L'ordinador amb Debian 7 és el més antic, i deu ser anterior al
On Mon 18 Jan 2016 at 05:33:41 +1000, Stuart Longland wrote:
> On 18/01/16 05:26, Jude DaShiell **TOP-POSTED**:
Deary me! What is the world coming to? Is this shouting insight for the
sightless?
> > It may be a 2003 machine, though it has to have a bios install since
> > it's too old to handle
On Sunday 17 January 2016 22:21:38 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 17 January 2016 09:46:36 Joe wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 20:28:50 -0500
> >
> > Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Bugs in the gcode exporter are my main beefs. In the gcode output
> > > for bottom.ngc, with spot
Le 17/01/2016 20:24, Eddy F. a écrit :
/sbin/fstrim /
moins d'une minute sur mon ssd de 480Go, mais ca ne veut rien dire car
il n'y avait sans doute pas grand chose à trimmer.
mais pourquoi se faire du souci? il suffit de le faire si on sent un
ralentissement...
et pas trop souvent, ca
On 18/01/16 05:26, Jude DaShiell **TOP-POSTED**:
> It may be a 2003 machine, though it has to have a bios install since
> it's too old to handle uefi.
That does not surprise me, as UEFI came much later. Apple who were one
of the first to really push EFI, were still cranking out PowerBooks back
On Sunday 17 January 2016 09:14:33 Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 12:28:32PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 16 January 2016 10:57:55 Curt wrote:
> > > On 2016-01-16, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > >> So its full path is
Boa noite, pessoal.
Eu comprei um laptop lenovo g40-80, e eu gostaria de contribuir com a
wiki do Debian adicionando uma página explicando como funciona o modelo,
assim como o que se deve fazer para configurá-lo depois (são necessários
alguns pacotes não-livres e atualizar o xserver-xorg-intel).
On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 08:37:21PM -0200, Gustavo Rodrigues wrote:
> Boa noite, pessoal.
> Eu comprei um laptop lenovo g40-80, e eu gostaria de contribuir com a
> wiki do Debian adicionando uma página explicando como funciona o modelo,
> assim como o que se deve fazer para configurá-lo depois (são
Yesterday while updating my system via dselect (I'm using testing) I've
received the warning that "init and systemd-sysv" were going to be
uninstalled and I had to approve or deny that action.
I've thought that as in previous cases (to be frank not recently but
many years ago) there was a
2016-01-17 00:48 keltezéssel, Steve Matzura írta:
>> modprobe cifs maybe can help you.
>
> What is supposed to happen when I enter that command? All I got was
> another shell prompt.
After modprobe try mount again
--
--- Friczy ---
'Death is not a bug, it's a feature'
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On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 04:55:23PM +0100, Thierry Rascle wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> xmessage does not work properly any more on my sid system. The window
> is displayed as expected, it has a working okay button, but the actual
> message is not readable.
Le 16/01/2016 23:31, Benoit B a écrit :
Bonjour,
Y a-t-il quelque chose de particulier à faire pour utiliser un SSD ?
A l'installation ?
Configuration (moins loguer, écritures sur le SWAP) ?
Merci d'avance
--
Benoit
Bonjour,
J'ai plusieurs systèmes sur des SSD depuis 3 ou 4 ans maintenant,
Bonjour,
Merci pour cette réponse avec un lien si précis.
Le 16 janvier 2016 à 23:54, Bernard Schoenacker bonjour,
>
> voici un tuto presque complet ayant trait à la question :
>
>
> http://www.dmesg.fr/gestion-hardware/144-optimiser-un-disque-dur-ssd-sous-debian-linux-mint-ubuntu-et-derives
>
i looking to resolve this problem when I want to install debian 8.2 or 8.1.
I receive this message after it's take to Grub install
" the 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/ "
after the operation of clean up on installing, i have a failed operations.
I don't have such expertise,
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 04:24:15PM -0300, Daniel Bareiro wrote:
>
> In fact, I tested it with a new TP-Link card with the same Realtek
> chipset and I have observed the same behavior.
>
> Any idea what could be the problem?
Disable autonegotiation on both sides; set it to full duplex
100.
If
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On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 09:45:58AM -0700, Brandon Vincent wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Curt wrote:
> > Thank you for your time. Just another misapprehension I've been laboring
> > under these many years.
>
> I actually
Le 17 janvier 2016 à 13:36, C. Mourad Jaber a écrit :
>
> Bonjour,
>
> J'ai plusieurs systèmes sur des SSD depuis 3 ou 4 ans maintenant, pas de
> choses particulières mise à part des trucs très lights :
> - les options "discard,noatime,nodiratime" sur les montages
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On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:42:25PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 16 January 2016 17:28:32 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > somebody forgot to tell my mostly wheezy system.
> [snip]
> > this system with many years of cruft accumulated.
>
> And it
On 01/16/2016 10:57 AM, Reco wrote:
> - anyone can connect up to 16 times via ssh.
> - anyone exceeding the connection limit is tarpitted, and must wait
> for an hour to try again.
Note that while this may be adequate for your use case, I would
caution that 16 connections / hour can easily (!) be
Benoit B a écrit :
>
> Pas de bol ! :(
> https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization#WARNING
>
> Pour mon Samsung SSD 850 EVO
>
> /* devices that don't properly handle queued TRIM commands */
>
> { "Samsung SSD 8*", NULL, ATA_HORKAGE_NO_NCQ_TRIM |
>
Bonjour,
C. Mourad Jaber a écrit :
> - les options "discard,noatime,nodiratime" sur les montages
>"utilisateur" (home directory),
Pourquoi limiter ces options à /home ?
L'option noatime implique l'option nodiratime. Préciser la seconde est
donc inutile quand on indique la première. Depuis
On 18/01/2016 12:08 AM, "Christian Seiler" wrote:
>
> On 01/16/2016 10:57 AM, Reco wrote:
> > - anyone can connect up to 16 times via ssh.
> > - anyone exceeding the connection limit is tarpitted, and must wait
> > for an hour to try again.
>
> Note that while this may be
hi,
i'm looking to resolve this problem when I want to install debian 8.2 or
8.1. I receive this message after it's take to Grub install
" the 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/ "
after the operation of clean up on installing, i have a failed operations.
I don't have such
On Sunday 17 January 2016 12:08:55 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Blijkbaar is het voor Debian lastig om meerdere
> init-systemen goed te ondersteunen.
Nee hoor, dat is niet het geval.
Het is alleen zo dat het systemd project functionaliteit biedt die kennelijk
geen enkele andere library heeft. En
On 17-01-16 08:52, Richard Lucassen wrote:
> Opstarttijd verkorten kun je ook door alle meuk eruit te gooien, maar
> dat terzijde
Niet alleen meuk er uit halen, maar ook paralleliseren. Systemd maakt
het makkelijker om dingen die tegelijk opgestart kunnen worden ook
tegelijk op te starten. Ook
Sorry,
The problem was solved using sec=ntlm
2016-01-17 11:26 GMT+01:00 Nemeth Gyorgy :
> 2016-01-17 00:48 keltezéssel, Steve Matzura írta:
>>> modprobe cifs maybe can help you.
>>
>> What is supposed to happen when I enter that command? All I got was
>> another shell prompt.
On Sunday 17 January 2016 13:36:46 C. Mourad Jaber wrote:
>
> Les SSD sont très bien gérés par le système.
sauf lorsqu'ils tombent en rade, les SSD n'apprécient guère
trop d'écritures.
André
On Sunday 17 January 2016 12:33:40 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:42:25PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Saturday 16 January 2016 17:28:32 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > somebody forgot to tell my mostly wheezy system.
> >
> >
hi
i'm looking to resolve this problem when I want to install debian 8.2 or
8.1. I receive this message after it's take to Grub install
" the 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/ "
after the operation of clean up on installing, i have a failed operations.
i make the install of
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 12:19:54 +0100
Nicolas George wrote:
> L'octidi 28 nivôse, an CCXXIV, Thierry Rascle a écrit :
> > For a reason I don't understand (related to the font ?), the
> > xmessage window now opens with a dimension which is slightly too
> > small and this makes the
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 01:39:47 +0100
Huub Reuver wrote:
> - door optimalisatie op opstarttijd, moeten systemd en dbus op een
> laag niveau in de kernel werken
Ha. Dat is nou technisch gezien het grootste lulverhaal van Poettering.
Opstarttijd verkorten kun je ook door
Yesterday while updating my system via dselect (I'm using testing) I've
received the warning that "init and systemd-sysv" were going to be
uninstalled and I had to approve or deny that action.
I've thought that as in previous cases (to be frank not recently but
many years ago) there was a
El dom, 17-01-2016 a las 02:39 -0430, Jose Maldonado escribió:
> Mucha vuelta con esto de las fuentes, como le he comentado al amigo
> anteriormente la forma más fácil, sencilla y definitiva de solucionar
> ese problema es usar las configuraciones de fuentes que están en el
> directorio
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 09:11:42 +0100
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> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 04:55:23PM +0100, Thierry Rascle wrote:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > xmessage does not work properly any more on my sid system. The
> > window is displayed as
L'octidi 28 nivôse, an CCXXIV, Thierry Rascle a écrit :
> For a reason I don't understand (related to the font ?), the xmessage
> window now opens with a dimension which is slightly too small and this
> makes the text totally invisible and unselectable.
This could be a stray geometry option in
Op 16-01-16 om 19:34 schreef Aquarius:
> Hallo,
>
> In het draadje '1 not upgraded' van Richard Lucassen komt systemd ter
> sprake en een overstap naar devuam
Het is Devuan.
> Ik heb mijn systeem nog op wheezy en wilde de overstap naar jessie
> voorbereiden. Ik heb wel het een en ander gelezen
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 04:55:23PM +0100, Thierry Rascle wrote:
> xmessage does not work properly any more on my sid system. The window
> is displayed as expected, it has a working okay button, but the actual
> message is not readable. It could be that the message is displayed in
> the background
L'octidi 28 nivôse, an CCXXIV, Thierry Rascle a écrit :
> I don't know how to entirely blank the X11 server. Removing my
xrdb /dev/null would do the trick.
> custom .Xresources makes the output of xrdb -query almost empty but it
> does not fix the issue.
>
> The output of xrdb -query after
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 12:28:32PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 16 January 2016 10:57:55 Curt wrote:
>
> > On 2016-01-16, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >> So its full path is /home/gene/eagle-7.5.0/bin/eagle, not
> > >> /bin/eagle?
> > >>
> > >> Lisi
> > >
> > > I was
Op 17-01-16 om 14:14 schreef Diederik de Haas:
> On Sunday 17 January 2016 12:08:55 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
>> Blijkbaar is het voor Debian lastig om meerdere
>> init-systemen goed te ondersteunen.
>
> Nee hoor, dat is niet het geval.
> Het is alleen zo dat het systemd project functionaliteit
Francois Lafont a écrit :
> Mais alors, si jamais on monte un disque SSD sans l'option discard
> _et_ sans prendre le soin de faire un fstrim régulièrement, alors que
> se passe-t-il ? Le disque va se remplir inexorablement au fil du temps
> et à un moment donné je ne pourrai tout simplement plus
Bonjour,
On 17/01/2016 14:21, Sébastien Dinot wrote:
> En outre, à ma connaissance, l'option discard a plutôt un effet négatif
> sur les performances. Cf. le point 3 de l'article ci-dessous :
>
>
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 20:28:50 -0500
Gene Heskett wrote:
> >
> Bugs in the gcode exporter are my main beefs. In the gcode output for
> bottom.ngc, with spot drilling enabled, it outputs a line for each of
> the holes, but fills the first 6 of those lines with X0 Y0, so
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016, Moreanu Robert - Nicolae wrote:
> i looking to resolve this problem when I want to install debian 8.2
> or 8.1. I receive this message after it's take to Grub install
>
> " the 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/ "
> after the operation of clean up on
El dom, 17-01-2016 a las 12:15 +0100, Jorge Chaves escribió:
> El dom, 17-01-2016 a las 02:39 -0430, Jose Maldonado escribió:
> > Mucha vuelta con esto de las fuentes, como le he comentado al amigo
> > anteriormente la forma más fácil, sencilla y definitiva de solucionar
> > ese problema es usar
Hola listos
Datos:
1 DD de 1TB particionado MBR y BIOS modo legacy
Tengo ganas de comprar 1 DD de 3 TB pero, si lo compro tendría que
particionarlo con GPT y activar UEFI, entonces:
¿el s.o. que tengo en el DD de 1 TB quedaría inutilizable?
¿en caso tal que sí, se puede recuperar?
saludos;
On Sunday 17 Jan 2016 14:53:19 Moreanu Robert - Nicolae wrote:
> i looking to resolve this problem when I want to install debian 8.2 or 8.1.
> I receive this message after it's take to Grub install
>
> " the 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/ "
> after the operation of clean up on
El Sun, 17 Jan 2016 11:24:45 -0500, listascor...@msjs.co escribió:
> Hola listos
>
> Datos:
> 1 DD de 1TB particionado MBR y BIOS modo legacy
>
> Tengo ganas de comprar 1 DD de 3 TB pero, si lo compro tendría que
> particionarlo con GPT y activar UEFI,
Hum... pues no necesariamente. Si lo
El 17/01/16 a las 11:39, Camaleón escribió:
El Sun, 17 Jan 2016 11:24:45 -0500, listascor...@msjs.co escribió:
Hola listos
Datos:
1 DD de 1TB particionado MBR y BIOS modo legacy
Tengo ganas de comprar 1 DD de 3 TB pero, si lo compro tendría que
particionarlo con GPT y activar UEFI,
Hum...
On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 02:14:58PM +0100, Diederik de Haas wrote:
>
> Maar zodra het woord systemd valt of een library van het systemd project
> wordt
> genoemd, hebben de systemd haters weer genoeg ammunitie om los te gaan.
> En aan die emotie gestuurde/gebaseerde discussie waarin feiten geen
Sébastien Dinot a écrit :
>
> L'avantage du tmpfs sur les ramdisks traditionnels est qu'il ne consomme
> que la mémoire nécessaire avec un plafond fixé à 50 % de la mémoire vive
> disponible.
Bien que ce soit un peu hors sujet dans ce fil, je voudrais nuancer à
cette affirmation.
D'abord un
Le 17/01/2016 14:54, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
On Sunday 17 January 2016 13:36:46 C. Mourad Jaber wrote:
Les SSD sont très bien gérés par le système.
sauf lorsqu'ils tombent en rade, les SSD n'apprécient guère
trop d'écritures.
André
as-tu une expérience personnelle de la
El Sun, 17 Jan 2016 12:03:28 -0500, listascor...@msjs.co escribió:
> El 17/01/16 a las 11:39, Camaleón escribió:
>> El Sun, 17 Jan 2016 11:24:45 -0500, listascor...@msjs.co escribió:
>>
>>> Hola listos
>>>
>>> Datos:
>>> 1 DD de 1TB particionado MBR y BIOS modo legacy
>>>
>>> Tengo ganas de
Le 17/01/2016 18:39, jdd a écrit :
> Le 17/01/2016 14:54, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
>> On Sunday 17 January 2016 13:36:46 C. Mourad Jaber wrote:
>>>
>>> Les SSD sont très bien gérés par le système.
>>
>> sauf lorsqu'ils tombent en rade, les SSD n'apprécient guère
>> trop
On 13/01/16 22:04, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> It sure is, and Acer Aspire computers generally are cut down AMD Athelon
> x64 clones. I proved this since I also have a real AMD K8 Athelon
> computer vintage 1994 that is still running (how old does it have to get
> before the Smithsonian Museum gets
Le 17/01/2016 18:43, Erwan David a écrit :
On a déjà des SSD de 4 et 6 To, voire même de 13To (mais sur controlleur
proprio pour ces derniers et compter ~ 1000 $ HT du To)
je commence à regarder en dessous de cent euros... à peu près (je viens
d'acheter deux disques usb de 5To pour mes
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