Re: [A bit OT] Diagnosing home network

> On May 20, 2017, at 9:38 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> On Saturday 20 May 2017 01:41:20 Mark Fletcher wrote: >> >> Hello! >> >> I have some doubts about the throughput of my home network and I'm >> hoping for some advice on tools that might help me diagnose it. >> >>

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

> On Apr 13, 2017, at 5:23 AM, GiaThnYgeia <giathnyg...@openmailbox.org> wrote: > > Catherine Gramze: >> /snip... > > I did not ask for advice on what to do, we are discussing the freedom of > choice, remember? Yes, your freedom of choice to attempt to do somethi

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

> On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:05 PM, GiaThnYgeia wrote: > > The "choice" of going cheap on ancient hardware is that you all knowing > expert "technical" but not "political" folk are really clueless of what > those non-free eight-core gadgets you port your code on contain.

Re: GPU advice for Debian stretch?

On Apr 05, 2017, at 01:25 PM, Joshua Schaeffer wrote: However, Almost any discrete, modern, mainline card (Geforce or ATI) will work. If you want to use proprietary drives then just check the manufacturers website if that particular card has a Linux driver for

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

Sent from my iPad > On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:47 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote: > Counter-argument: One word. Apple. > > (Not that I am an Apple fan by any means, but Apple have for decades > been highly successful making zero effort at backwards compatibility. I > speak from

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

Sent from my iPad > On Apr 1, 2017, at 7:30 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > Never came across those during my research before posting my initial > query here. And I read a lot of articles. Still have found nothing > stating exactly why Linux distros don't offer a choice

Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt

> On Mar 30, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Lisi Reisz <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thursday 30 March 2017 21:22:57 Catherine Gramze wrote: >> This reminds me of the time a professor gave a coding assignment on >> Tuesday, due "next Thursday." To most of t

Re: Remove topic

> On Mar 30, 2017, at 4:16 PM, Lounis ILLOURMANE wrote: > > Hello, > Can you please remove the topic on this URL > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/06/msg02062.html > There's my first and family name, some people try to use this informations to > hurt me. >

Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt

> On Mar 30, 2017, at 3:56 PM, Terence wrote: > > Lisi asks "And is London "up" or "down"from York?" > > London is "up". "Up trains" were those travelling to London terminii, "Down > trains" departed from London terminii to other parts of the rail network. I have run

Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt

> On Mar 29, 2017, at 5:29 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > Don't Yankees come from the United States?? Or is Curt an expat?? > The term Yankee refers specifically to a person from the northern, rather than southern, part of the USA, when used by a US native, usually one from

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

> On Mar 24, 2017, at 6:05 PM, David Wright <deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote: > >> On Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 15:44:15 (-0400), Catherine Gramze wrote: >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Mar 24, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Steve McIntyre <st...@einval.com> wrote: >

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

Sent from my iPad > On Mar 24, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > but that went away years ago. At the end of the single installer run, > it should be finished. Do you mean "reboots into the newly installed > system" instead, maybe? > Yes, it boots into that bare

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

Sent from my iPad > On Mar 24, 2017, at 2:08 PM, Curt wrote: > > I'd just wish you'd wrap your lines in accordance to rule number 87 of the > "Debian Etiquette Guidelines," by I.M. Sikothis. Thank you for mentioning this. I was not aware that my iPad does not wrap lines

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 9:20 PM, David Wright wrote: > > It's not really polite to call this "expert" (only in the sense > described by the Advanced options in the installer) rabid, and what > I do with the installer ridiculous. > > I don't wish to accept arbitrary

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 9:22 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Catherine, I'm curious - when was the last time you installed Debian > using d-i? I've now seen you several times write (like above) about > "backing out of the installer after the reboot". Are you talking about > a

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > Anyone who reads this knows that the net-install disc cannot include non-free > firmware and that there could be a problem with connecting to the net. No, they don't. They know it can't can't contain non-free

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Lisi Reisz <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thursday 23 March 2017 22:18:53 Catherine Gramze wrote: >>> Mar 23, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Lisi Reisz <lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> This is of course incorrect

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

> Mar 23, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Lisi Reisz > This is of course incorrect. But I doubt that I could refute it without > appearing aggressive again. :-( What part of what I said is incorrect? > It does indeed incense me that Catherine should demand that the net >

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

Sent from my iPad > On Mar 23, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Please calm down, why the aggression? :-( Lisi is incensed with my suggestion that the netinst installer should refuse to continue if no network card is recognized and configured. She sincerely

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Steve McIntyre <st...@einval.com> wrote: > > Catherine Gramze wrote: >>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Lisi Reisz <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Particularly where you have encountered it where it takes you p

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

Sent from my iPad > On Mar 21, 2017, at 7:20 PM, David Wright <deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote: > >> On Tue 21 Mar 2017 at 15:44:18 (-0400), Catherine Gramze wrote: >> >> The installer allows you to continue the installation without a configured >> network

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

Sent from my iPad > On Mar 21, 2017, at 3:10 PM, Greg Wooledge <wool...@eeg.ccf.org> wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 02:44:42PM -0400, Catherine Gramze wrote: >>> On Mar 21, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Greg Wooledge <wool...@eeg.ccf.org> wrote: >>> >>

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

Sent from my iPad > On Mar 21, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > That doesn't mean the installer should refuse to work. There is > absolutely nothing wrong with doing a minimal install using a netinst > image to get a working Debian system. Maybe you want to

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

Sent from my iPad > On Mar 21, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > wrong Then use a different installer! The netinst dvd leaves you with what would be considered a crippled system by most people. Requiring a functioning network card removes that possibility for

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

Sent from my iPad > On Mar 21, 2017, at 2:01 PM, Lisi Reisz <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tuesday 21 March 2017 17:15:32 Catherine Gramze wrote: >> Sent from my iPad >> >>>> On Mar 21, 2017, at 11:10 AM, Greg Wooledge <wool...@eeg.ccf.or

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

Sent from my iPad > On Mar 21, 2017, at 11:10 AM, Greg Wooledge <wool...@eeg.ccf.org> wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 02:55:07PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: >>> On Tuesday 21 March 2017 14:33:29 Catherine Gramze wrote: >>> Refusing to continue an installati

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

Sent from my iPad > On Mar 21, 2017, at 6:31 AM, Lisi Reisz <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tuesday 21 March 2017 02:58:50 Catherine Gramze wrote: >> The installer allows you to continue the installation without a configured >> network card, and it shoul

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

> On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Lisi Reisz <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tuesday 21 March 2017 00:19:52 Catherine Gramze wrote: >>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Lisi Reisz <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote >> > What I was asking is where yo

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

> On Mar 20, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > That sounds as though it is the message that is at fault, not the installer > or > installation method. It should perhaps mention that you have to carry on to > get a desktop. Is this in the set of DVDs? > > Lisi >

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

> On Mar 20, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> On 03/20/2017 03:06 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: >>> On Monday 20 March 2017 09:46:45 Jonathan Dowland wrote: >>> I don't have an installation image locally to test this as I write, but >>> your messages indicate that the

Re: Suggested edit

Sent from my iPad > On Mar 17, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > Not, it isn't. Debian is for experts, or would-be experts, or those who will > never be experts but like to pretend. > I strongly disagree. The point of a genuinely free and open operating system

Re: Suggested edit

Sent from my iPad > On Mar 17, 2017, at 12:04 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > There are plenty of dumbed down Debian derivatives for those that want them. > Please don't let's dumb Debian down any further. Base install means base > install. The net install disk by default

Re: Suggested edit

> On Mar 17, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > That would presume that the majority of users of the installer wanted to > install a desktop environment. This is not necessarily true even for > beginners, > on say, server machines. Beginners are installing server

Re: Suggested edit

> debian-8.7.1-amd64-CD-1.iso > > The reason I bring this up is because people in support groups and forums as > about why they didn't get a desktop environment, even when they use that > specific CD. That "feature" is not limited to the cd version. It is also in the netinst version and the

Re: radeon black screen

On Mar 14, 2017, at 12:35 AM, Felix Miata wrote: Something is defective, MSI's motherboard BIOS/firmware, Radeon's VBIOS, hardware, display or some combination. If all acquired together, it ought to have been taken up with the vendors when new so that you would have

Re: radeon black screen

On Mar 13, 2017, at 09:50 PM, Felix Miata <mrma...@earthlink.net> wrote: Catherine Gramze composed on 2017-03-13 20:56 (UTC-0400): Probably not impossible, but difficult I cannot doubt. It ought to go into setup automatically regardless of video connection if you do a BIOS reset via

Re: radeon black screen

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Felix Miata <mrma...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Catherine Gramze composed on 2017-03-13 18:49 (UTC-0400): > > Is Plymouth installed? ​No, it is not. I checked.​ According to that URI it is a refresh of Radeon HD 7870 that apparently > nobody ever

Re: radeon black screen (was: Apology to siduction...)

Meanwhile, my MSI Z87-43G motherboard boot screen doesn't display unless I > >> use the built-in graphics card. When I use my Radeon R9 270X it just goes >> blank, but still boots through to the default first grub menu item. 4K >> > > Goes blank when exactly? Do kernel and initrd load first? Do

Re: Apology to siduction 17.01 (was Re: why??why?why??)

Sent from my iPad > On Mar 13, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Rob van der Putten wrote: > > Hi there > > >> On 13/03/17 15:54, GiaThnYgeia wrote: >> >> Out of my frustration and lack of understanding, or the belief that all >> systems should run as trouble-free as clean-debian, and

Re: A Strange Firefox Problem

Can you verify which type of AT Uverse you have? They have renamed their 3 meg or so DSL as Uverse, as well as their fiber 30 meg or more service.  On Feb 21, 2017, at 01:42 PM, "Stephen P. Molnar" wrote: I have the Debian 8 version of Firefox installed and have

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 4:37 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > Can we all agree to ignore this clown > ​?​ > ​I can. PLONK.​

Missing ifuse package in Jessie

I thought it would be nice to see if I could sync my iPad with my Jessie box. I downloaded all the packages that online research suggested I would need: apt-get install ideviceinstaller python-imobiledevice libimobiledevice-utils libimobiledevice4 libplist2 python-plist ifuse However, the ifuse

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: > > The thread and the responses by Catherine Gramze is one example of that. > She defends bad writing. She comes up with all kinds of excuses as to not > want to explain anything. Saying it is Good to not explain

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Xen wrote: > > More importantly the man system or man format does not preclude such > documents being written as tutorials so basically it is being done all > around. > > So your assertion here does not really have a basis in reality I must

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Xen wrote: > But if you are going to say the purpose of a man page is to be a complete > reference guide unto its options, then you will write dirt poor man pages. > That is all I can say here > ​. > ​But that is precisely the original

System settings -fglrx disabled it?

In the default Debian desktop (Gnome, I believe, definitely not KDE) I have lost the ability to open the system settings item in either the Applications/System Tools/Preferences menu or the dropdown menu from the username in the upper right corner. This was triggered by my installation of a new

WINE not working

I installed WINE from synaptic. I chose Wine, wine64, and q4wine. While attempting to configure using q4wine I was unable to find the wineserver daemon. I used the search in Files to search the entire filesystem and got no results. I tried to install an app, the World of Warcraft installer, and

Re: Blacklisting threads

On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 21:24:28 +0400 Dmitrii Kashin free...@freehck.ru wrote: Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: How do I blacklist a thread? In Claws I have the option of creating either a filtering or processing rule to deal with unwanted threads. I suspect the processing rule might

Re: Logitech unified wireless

On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 17:17:56 +0200 Gareth de Vaux deb...@lordcow.org wrote: I could use the keyboard/mouse in the BIOS from the start fine. I do need to redo the pairing on each boot in the OS though. If anyone's interested: snip Odd. Once paired using my Mac my mouse and keyboard have

Re: dvd Jessie images

On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:33:39 +0300 andrey.ry...@bilkent.edu.tr wrote: hi all. I want download full set of dvd Jessie images. But on official site http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/i386/iso-dvd/ i can find only 4 images. Where i can find all 10 official dvd images? Thanks in advance

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 23:37:25 -0400 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: No, a cable modem does both MOdulation and DEModulation - which is why it is called a MODEM. On the internet, input/output on one side of the modem is digital, through an RJ-45 to category cable. But you can

Re: who could take the time to figure out how to contact linux ? so complicated !

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:19:15 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Please, lets merge the two threads into one? http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/10/msg00703.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/10/msg00705.html Perhaps the OP and anybody else could continue

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:12:32 -0400 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: Maybe where you are, but not in the world scheme of things. A router is a specific box. A (A)DSL modem may also contain a firewall, etc. But most (A)DSL modems, cable modems, etc., only have one Ethernet port.

Logitech unified wireless

I ran into a snag getting this set up on my new computer. I found a gem of info online, telling me I had to use a USB 2 port and not a USB 3 port, but it still wouldn't work. I finally figured out it was a pairing problem, due to me having multiple keyboards, mice, and unifying receivers. I used

Re: Building computer

On Sep 30, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Actually they were, up to the point you finally told us what screen resolution you use. That changes things quite a bit, or I should say changed one thing dramatically. I recommended a fast dual core CPU because more

Re: Can't create folder on empty partition - suspect permission issue

On Sep 30, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Suspect indicator that you are decades younger than I. But I've been wrong before. I suspect not, unless you are an octogenarian at minimum. This seems unlikely, so my best guess is that we are roughly the same age,

Re: Can't create folder on empty partition - suspect permission issue

On Sep 30, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote: Richard seems to need to believe himself to be extremely unusually old for the list and to have used computers for far longer than anyone else. He is younger than I am, and I am by no means the oldest on this

Re: Building computer

On Sep 30, 2013, at 5:00 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: No, no. Context is important here. The OP stated she needed more than 4GB of RAM. I stated that WOW on Wine shouldn't even require 2GB, but for argument's sake, if it did need 2GB, then all of her other stuff would

Re: Building computer

On Sep 28, 2013, at 9:15 AM, Jack Malmostoso fabio.rosci...@gmail.com wrote: I hope I'm not late to the party, but here's my new setup (bought in June) which runs Debian Sid without problems: You may be too late for me, but not late for somebody else. This type of info is sadly hard to find

Re: Building computer

On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Jack Malmostoso fabio.rosci...@gmail.com wrote: The onboard graphics depend on the CPU. In my case, it's HD4600, which is the fastest you can get with a socketed CPU. It's supported by the Intel driver in Wheezy for most things, however now in Sid it is used

Re: Building computer

On Sep 28, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Jack Malmostoso fabio.rosci...@gmail.com wrote: I was scrolling through the thread and I see you want to add a video card, and I checked on the Zareason website what they offer. I hope you got a power supply with more than the 350W standard. I am not sure it has

Re: duplicate emails

On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:06 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: The formatting of your mails also is very unusual ^^. I suspect an issue with your mailers, Apple Mail (2.1510) and iPad Mail (11A465). The spamming of myself seems to have stopped. I did nothing to cure

Re: duplicate emails

On Sep 27, 2013, at 11:22 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I upgrade from 7 to 7.0.2, so I was already on iOS 7, however, I only can use the iPad off-line (no mailing), because the ad-hoc connections by Linux are unstable, they might hold for 3 seconds. I don't know if it's

Re: Building computer

I contacted MSI to ask if they made a motherboard I could use. Here is the exchange: Me: I want to purchase a motherboard for a Linux computer. I would prefer one that would accept the new Haswell processor. The BIOS must allow for Secure Boot to be disabled, and CSM mode to be enabled, e.g.

duplicate emails

I am getting numerous posts by me in my inbox, partially completed posts plus duplicate of full posts, but only for the debian-user emails. If this is happening on the entire list, I apologize. I am not repeatedly sending! I do not know the cause of this and will be trying to eliminate these if

Re: Building computer

On Sep 26, 2013, at 1:57 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I don't know any vendor, for any kind of hardware, that does support Linux, even not the Linux friendly vendors that cooperate with the Linux community usually don't support Linux. That Linux isn't supported, doesn't

Re: Building computer

On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Darko Gavrilovic d.gavrilo...@gmail.com wrote: What's the motherboard model number? A quick Google indicates you may not be able to disable UEFI but you can enable legacy compatibility mode for MSI m/b's. The specific model I am considering is the MSI H87-43G.

Re: Building computer

On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Catherine Gramze rhia...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Darko Gavrilovic d.gavrilo...@gmail.com wrote: What's the motherboard model number? A quick Google indicates you may not be able to disable UEFI but you can enable legacy compatibility

Re: building computer

I have received a response from MSI again. I do like the swiftness of their email responses, even if the responses are a bit cryptic. Me: Please advise me as to whether this motherboard: http://us.msi.com/product/mb/H87-G43.html#/?div=Overview 1. allows Secure Boot to be disabled and 2.

Re: building computer

On Sep 26, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Charles Kroeger ckro...@frankensteinface.com wrote: Can Charles Kroeger give a source for his information? He can: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface sub heading: Platforms using EFI/UEFI 10th paragraph down I figured

Re: Building computer

On Sep 26, 2013, at 10:50 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: I'd call it obscure rather than magical. Any sufficiently obscure technique is indistinguishable from magic - (my apologies to Arthur C. Clark). On my recent ill-fated Gateway it took spamming the delete key during boot, and then

Re: Volunteer in need of a mentor

On Sep 26, 2013, at 11:00 PM, Beco r...@beco.cc wrote: I sent to debian-ment...@lists.debian.org They told they don't appoint mentors. I also sent to mentor...@women.debian.org but got no response till now. They are currently advertising for mentors for the Outreach Project for Women in

Re: Building computer

On Sep 25, 2013, at 12:52 AM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: There's a huge amount of what we call channel or DIY hardware out there that works fine with Linux. The only real issues are 1. What's available in your local market and at what price point 2. Choice of

Building computer

I intend to build a computer for the specific purpose of running Debian. I have had a bad experience with a store-bought computer, which seemed to be wholly unable to boot to anything but Windows 8 - there was no option in the BIOS to boot to the hard drive, or even to the EFI partition, but