Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
Kelly Corbin wrote: But if you can't wait the week or two for the CD's... Will Lowe wrote: I install Debian with a 14.4 modem. Trust me, it only takes patience. Or CDs. They're cheap. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null I got my 2.0 and 2.1 CDs from linux emporium [UK company]. Both times they came in 2 days. frankie -- Confession is good for the soul only in the sense that a tweed coat is good for dandruff. --Peter de Vries http://www.skunkpussy.freeserve.co.uk - Drum'n'Bass music, samples and links. ICQ://25576761 begin:vcard n:;Frankie x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] note:Trainee Linux Guru x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Frankie end:vcard smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [comp.os.linux.misc] I am not impressed with Debian so far.
Paul Seelig wrote: Please note that it was not me writing this message. I use Debian but you decided to tease the list ... hafi
Re: [comp.os.linux.misc] I am not impressed with Debian so far.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Barry Samuels) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: I am not impressed with Debian so far. [...] I have been using SuSE since v5.2 ( now on 6.0 ) and, having heard about apt-get, I thought that I would give Debian a try. [...] After finishing the install, configuring X and trying the system briefly to make sure it worked, I decided to recompile the kernel. Everything here went without a hitch until I rebooted the machine. It seemed from some error messages during boot that some support functions which I had included in the kernel were also being loaded as modules. Before anyone starts suggesting what I didn't do, I did: make dep make clean make zImage make modules make modules_install copy resultant image to /boot/vmlinuz copy System.map to /boot run lilo I then recompiled again but this time modularising those support functions which caused error messages. On reboot this time everything was fine. So why should it be necessary to have some support functions as modules rather than included in the kernel? I went through the same process with SuSE without any of these problems. I guess he didn't remove /lib/modules/2.his.kernel.version. You will be reminded to do this when using make-kpkg. Maybe the README should state that there is kernel-package and how to use it. Jens P.S.: Please vote against Spam! At http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ (Sorry Europeans only) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 2048/E451C639 Jens Ritter Key fingerprint: 5F 3D 43 1E 24 1E CC 48 1E 05 93 3A A7 10 73 37
Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:06:12 -0400 Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for sound, I must say that I've had a few problems with it. Of course, I had similar problems in previous versions of RH... Go fig. Anyway, once you've compiled in the kernel modules that you'll need, try this: Grab an rpm of RH's sndconfig, alien it over to a .deb, and install it. I used it, and it worked the first time (SB AWE-64 PNP). Is there a comparable Debian tool that I've been missing? I would think that, due to the way sound is set up in 2.2 (ie, all the relevant variables are passed to the module, rather the hard-coded into the kernel), it should be quite easy to make an automatic configuration program for it... -- Damon Muller | Did a large procession wave their torches ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | As my head fell in the basket, Network Administrator | And was everyone dancing on the casket... EmpireNET | - TBMG, Dead
RE: [comp.os.linux.misc] I am not impressed with Debian so far.
I mostly agree with his point about not knowing to put the second CD in while installing debian. I missed that also the first try. I didn't experience his problem with makeing the symlink, and i'm not sure how obvious modconf is to a new user. I don't remeber it being mentioned during install, but i could be wrong. Well, I hope his luck improves. I agree it is dificult for someone to jump right into debian even if they have used other distributions. I spent a whole day playing with it the fist time I set it up, and still had problems for awhile. Actually, i'm still having problems to this day, but I'm use to Debian, so i firgure most of them out quickly... well, except for ALSA that is =) ... Brendon -Original Message- From: Paul Seelig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 8:34 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: [comp.os.linux.misc] I am not impressed with Debian so far. Message: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
RE: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
On Tue, 08 Jun 1999, Brendon Baumgartner wrote: I mostly agree with his point about not knowing to put the second CD in while installing debian. I missed that also the first try. I didn't experience his problem with makeing the symlink, and i'm not sure how obvious modconf is to a new user. I don't remeber it being mentioned during install, but i could be wrong. Well, I hope his luck improves. I agree it is dificult for someone to jump right into debian even if they have used other distributions. I spent a whole day playing with it the fist time I set it up, and still had problems for awhile. Actually, i'm still having problems to this day, but I'm use to Debian, so i firgure most of them out quickly... well, except for ALSA that is =) ... Ditto from me. I started with Red Hat. It took me a *few days* to get Debian up and running. I still haven't got sound going -- I'm amazed that I have to recompile the kernel just to add sound support. I'm reluctant to do it, as I keep reading newsgroup and mail list messages from people who had trouble with recompiling. Sound support needs to be improved, as Red Hat have done -- I don't know what they have done, but I just selected my sound card and that was it. dselect needs better documentation, and also a nice GUI -- I still haven't figured out how to drive the Select section. Multi-CD needs to be streamlined. having said all that however, I like Debian, much more than my Red Hat system. I especially like its non-commercial nature. I reckon it's well worth going through a few hassles. But again, something happened today -- probably not Debian's fault. My hard drive suddenly got real busy. I wasn't actually using the PC, and I presume Linux does some housekeeping when it gets a chance. Or KDE? Then I started to use KMail, and suddenly my hard drive made a terrible sound and stopped, and everything hung, dead. I did a hard reboot and everything worked as though nothing had happened. That's a real worry. Regards,
RE: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
Hey, my hard drive did the sudden thrashing thing last night too. Its never done it before (well it has in NT but not in Linux). All I was doing was reading mail remotely over a dialup line using xemacs in a kterm in KDE 1.1.1 (from snowcrash). It stopped after a while (about 4 minutes) and has been fine since. This never happened before in RedHat or with Hamm. Is this a KDE thing perhaps ?. I am running on an AST M series Laptop which has 48Mb ram and a 2GB Linux partition with about 1300MB free and a 92MB swap file. Pat
RE: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:17:06 +0800, Barry Kauler wrote: I started with Red Hat. It took me a *few days* to get Debian up and running. Took me days as well. Oh, wait, that was because I downloaded it over a 33.6k modem. Silly me. I still haven't got sound going -- I'm amazed that I have to recompile the kernel just to add sound support. Why? What would you rather have, everything compiled into a single monolithic kernel where 90% of the stuff isn't used? I'm reluctant to do it, as I keep reading newsgroup and mail list messages from people who had trouble with recompiling. Because those people don't know what they're doing and don't RTFM. I've been compiling kernels since the 1.2.x days, no problems at all. You end up with a better running machine at the end because only what you need is installed and there isn't any cruft taking up RAM that can be better used elsewhere. In short, you *WANT* to compile your kernel, it is better for your system that you do. Sound support needs to be improved, as Red Hat have done -- I don't know what they have done, but I just selected my sound card and that was it. And they also have everything compiled as a module which could lead to problems. Multi-CD needs to be streamlined. No, it doesn't. Why use a CD at all when you van get the latest and greatest direct from the net? Better documentation, maybe, so people can get a base install working, but beyond that, nothing but net. Then I started to use KMail, and suddenly my hard drive made a terrible sound and stopped, and everything hung, dead. I did a hard reboot and everything worked as though nothing had happened. That's a real worry. Can we say Hard drive failure? I knew we could. That has nothing to do with the software running at the time, that is a hardware issue. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBN1z4h3pf7K2LbpnFEQJscwCgqn2/jd2rb0+xb3SBmSFEFo4xpzMAni4Y i9jhHJBb0gq1YAfLOPZxQYaA =3dkR -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:46:50 +0100 (BST), Patrick Colbeck wrote: minutes) and has been fine since. This never happened before in RedHat or with Hamm. Is this a KDE thing perhaps ?. I am running on an AST M Are you sure it isn't the locate database updating? - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBN1z4oHpf7K2LbpnFEQLKQwCg2B0gQJFkAlFOJY9KTAdDsBHk1p8AoPkP EAhYQw3T1PLBHP0vlaR8Mz/E =FqEG -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
That also happened to me a few weeks ago while I was running Netscape. I heard my drive going nuts, and I ran df to check the free space. Well, the free space kept getting lower and lower and ... finally my machine stopped and I got a Kernel Panic. After I rebooted however, fsck found bad sectors on the disk. YMMV. - Original Message - From: Patrick Colbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Barry Kauler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 6:46 AM Subject: RE: I am not impressed with Debian so far. Hey, my hard drive did the sudden thrashing thing last night too. Its never done it before (well it has in NT but not in Linux). All I was doing was reading mail remotely over a dialup line using xemacs in a kterm in KDE 1.1.1 (from snowcrash). It stopped after a while (about 4 minutes) and has been fine since. This never happened before in RedHat or with Hamm. Is this a KDE thing perhaps ?. I am running on an AST M series Laptop which has 48Mb ram and a 2GB Linux partition with about 1300MB free and a 92MB swap file. Pat -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
On Tue, 08 Jun 1999, Steve Lamb wrote: Multi-CD needs to be streamlined. No, it doesn't. Why use a CD at all when you van get the latest and greatest direct from the net? Better documentation, maybe, so people can get a base install working, but beyond that, nothing but net. Yes, that's what I did. I regret paying for the 4-CD set! dpkg and apt-get I'm very happy with. Great stuff. Then I started to use KMail, and suddenly my hard drive made a terrible sound and stopped, and everything hung, dead. I did a hard reboot and everything worked as though nothing had happened. That's a real worry. Can we say Hard drive failure? I knew we could. That has nothing to do with the software running at the time, that is a hardware issue. The hard drive does this thrashing thing occassionally, when the PC is just sitting there. No problem with that, as an OS can be doing some background housecleaning. The terrible noise and system freeze may be a hardware thing -- there, I said it. -- but the drive's only two years old. Well, we'll see. Regards, Barry Kauler
RE: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
On 08-Jun-99 Steve Lamb wrote: Multi-CD needs to be streamlined. No, it doesn't. Why use a CD at all when you van get the latest and greatest direct from the net? Better documentation, maybe, so people can get a base install working, but beyond that, nothing but net. I'll tell you why. Like millions of others who have to go on line by modem, with costs here in Europe at about $1.00 per hour at cheapest, at max 10MB/hour its going to take you ages, and cost you much more than a good packaged CD set, to download 1 CD's worth of stuff. Comparatively, CDs are cheap, very fast, and easy to go back to many times. That's why we use them! Best wishes, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 08-Jun-99 Time: 13:09:50 -- XFMail --
Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
Patrick Colbeck wrote: Hey, my hard drive did the sudden thrashing thing last night too. Its never done it before (well it has in NT but not in Linux). All I was doing was reading mail remotely over a dialup line using xemacs in a kterm in KDE 1.1.1 (from snowcrash). It stopped after a while (about 4 minutes) and has been fine since. This never happened before in RedHat or with Hamm. Is this a KDE thing perhaps ?. I am running on an AST M series Laptop which has 48Mb ram and a 2GB Linux partition with about 1300MB free and a 92MB swap file. Pat Run the program Xconsole or top or ps aux at command line to see what is happening. There are cron daily, weekly, and monthly jobs that are run periodically. kent
RE: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
Debian does seem to lack some of the 'luster' that redhat 6.0 now has (BTW Red Hat has just filed for IPO, the proposed stock symbol will be RHAT), but this will change in potatoe with the new GNOME stuff. I hope that the install scripts will make GNOME standard, or at least have a menu item to install GNOME along with X. (And PLEASE someone package that real neat LCARS enlightenment theme!) I have (so far) been buying the cdrom sets because I can't keep my phone line tied up upgrading via the net, this will change when I get broadband! Even so I would probably burn my own cd's to keep the source packages on line and to help others without BB connections install Linux. On compiling kernels ... I have had few problems but it sometimes does go wrong. 'make dep ; make clean' can be your friend! Also I had the sound stuff not compile when using make xconfig to config the kernel, I had to use make menuconfig and use the 'old' sound config to get it to work. There is a bug here somewheres, some symbols do not get set for sound in the config script otherwise. If you have a PNP sound card then you MUST compile as a module and install and config ISAPNP for it to work. (At least for kernels through 2.0.36, I havn't tried the 2.2 stuff yet). Another good tip for kernel compiles, is to get the debian kernel package. It allows you to build a debian package of your new kernel and then install it with dpkg -i. This takes ALL the worrry about installing your new kernel. (well almost all, you still need to configure the modules with modconf, this will look familiar as you ran this utility when you installed debian) In short please don't sell debian short. Yes it does seem to run behind red hat in the glamour curve, but IMHO, ahead of it in the power curve. === Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
Jim B wrote: That also happened to me a few weeks ago while I was running Netscape. I heard my drive going nuts, and I ran df to check the free space. Well, the free space kept getting lower and lower and ... finally my machine stopped and I got a Kernel Panic. After I rebooted however, fsck found bad sectors on the disk. YMMV. - Original Message - From: Patrick Colbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Barry Kauler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 6:46 AM Subject: RE: I am not impressed with Debian so far. Hey, my hard drive did the sudden thrashing thing last night too. Its never done it before (well it has in NT but not in Linux). All I was doing was reading mail remotely over a dialup line using xemacs in a kterm in KDE 1.1.1 (from snowcrash). It stopped after a while (about 4 minutes) and has been fine since. This never happened before in RedHat or with Hamm. Is this a KDE thing perhaps ?. I am running on an AST M series Laptop which has 48Mb ram and a 2GB Linux partition with about 1300MB free and a 92MB swap file. Pat Run a program such as Top that monitors your processes. Find the pid that is sucking the memory and then kill it. Look at man top htht, kent
Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
On Tue, Jun 08, 1999 at 04:03:35AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Multi-CD needs to be streamlined. No, it doesn't. Why use a CD at all when you van get the latest and greatest direct from the net? Better documentation, maybe, so people can get a base install working, but beyond that, nothing but net. Modem, that's why. All I have is about 28.8K to the Internet, and it takes a long time to download a whole Debian install on that. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB (ex-VK3TYD). CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome.
Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
I ran top while all this was happening. No process appeared to be using any more than its usual allotment of resources (CPU or RAM). There was nothing I could do but just watch my machine croak. =\ - Original Message - From: ktb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 8:38 AM Subject: Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far. Jim B wrote: That also happened to me a few weeks ago while I was running Netscape. I heard my drive going nuts, and I ran df to check the free space. Well, the free space kept getting lower and lower and ... finally my machine stopped and I got a Kernel Panic. After I rebooted however, fsck found bad sectors on the disk. YMMV. - Original Message - From: Patrick Colbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Barry Kauler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 6:46 AM Subject: RE: I am not impressed with Debian so far. Hey, my hard drive did the sudden thrashing thing last night too. Its never done it before (well it has in NT but not in Linux). All I was doing was reading mail remotely over a dialup line using xemacs in a kterm in KDE 1.1.1 (from snowcrash). It stopped after a while (about 4 minutes) and has been fine since. This never happened before in RedHat or with Hamm. Is this a KDE thing perhaps ?. I am running on an AST M series Laptop which has 48Mb ram and a 2GB Linux partition with about 1300MB free and a 92MB swap file. Pat Run a program such as Top that monitors your processes. Find the pid that is sucking the memory and then kill it. Look at man top htht, kent -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
Patrick Colbeck wrote: Hey, my hard drive did the sudden thrashing thing last night too. Its never done it before (well it has in NT but not in Linux). All I was doing was reading mail remotely over a dialup line using xemacs in a kterm in KDE 1.1.1 (from snowcrash). It stopped after a while (about 4 minutes) and has been fine since. This never happened before in RedHat or with Hamm. Is this a KDE thing perhaps ?. I am running on an AST M series Laptop which has 48Mb ram and a 2GB Linux partition with about 1300MB free and a 92MB swap file. Pat -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null It sounds like a 'cron' job was running. -- Gregory Wood Farsight Computer 1219 W University Blvd Odessa TX 79764 Voice: 1-915-335-0879 CT Pioneers Board Member Novell CNE Appgen VAR
Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:53:30 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Modem, that's why. All I have is about 28.8K to the Internet, and it takes a long time to download a whole Debian install on that. When I first installed Debian I had a 28.8k connection to the net. That was Hamm frozen. I've done every upgrade since then on a 28.8k connection. When I installed Hamm onto my Laptop I had a 28.8k connection to the net. Every update to it has been over the net. I only got my cable modem last month. I've never done an install or upgrade of Debian *except* by 28.8k modem. I've never owned a Debian CD that I've installed off of (I have a bo CD around here from Infomagic somewhere, never used it). Trust me, I know what it is like. It is a dream. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBN10tHnpf7K2LbpnFEQILIQCg/uePszhn4PVrdbUzjAeVMkT1zM4AoIjm d4Iqa+ZXfN9kugeByW6xGk+p =l7Tc -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
On 06/07/99 at 18:36:20, Barry Samuels wrote concerning I am not impressed with Debian so far.: I bought a 4 CD Debian distribution and installed alongside SuSE. Whence did you buy it? SuSE makes all their own CD's, I think, but Debian, in contrast, relies on 3rd party CD vendors to make CD's. Not all of them follow the rules all the time, making CD's that deviate from Official Debian. I've had some snags with Cheap Bytes CD's in the past that required symlink contortions to make it work. This factor could be pertinent to most of your problems. I managed to miss the bit about putting the second CD in first when first running dselect. That instruction should really be more prominent. I've heard things to that effect before -- never had to deal with it myself because of the vintage of my install CD's. Maybe this should go on debian-devel? The installation went well until dselect was first run. It then failed because dselect could not find the file: 'var/lib/dpkg/methods/multicd/available' this was not surprising as it was actually in 'var/lib/dpkg/'. So I put in a symbolic link to point to it and was then able to run dselect. Not a promising start. Since others have not had this problem, I would suspect the CD's themselves. After finishing the install, configuring X and trying the system briefly to make sure it worked, I decided to recompile the kernel. Everything here went without a hitch until I rebooted the machine. It seemed from some error messages during boot that some support functions which I had included in the kernel were also being loaded as modules. This is how I understand what you wrote: you compiled some functions *not* as modules, but your system tried to insmod modules for those functions anyway... right? Before anyone starts suggesting what I didn't do, I did: make dep make clean make zImage make modules make modules_install copy resultant image to /boot/vmlinuz copy System.map to /boot run lilo Just a guess... your /lib/modules/2.x.x/ tree had old module files in it that, when found, made your system think it was supposed to insmod them. To avoid this altogether while taking advantage of the Debian packaging system's convenience, you should install the kernel-package package and use it (see /usr/doc/kernel-package). This automates many of the steps you listed above, while making sure that your module tree and everything else is handled properly. So why should it be necessary to have some support functions as modules rather than included in the kernel? I went through the same process with SuSE without any of these problems. If my guess is correct, then with SuSE, you didn't have those old module files hanging around under your modules directory. Perhaps you were compiling a kernel version you hadn't previously installed, or at least you weren't de-modularizing any of the functions in your current kernel. Aside: It's often more advantageous to have things compiled as modules rather than into the kernel itself -- what is your reason in this case for choosing the latter? The next process was to run pppconfig and try pon. All went well for a time until, on starting pon, I began to get General Protection errors. Sometimes, immediately after booting, pon would run and connect without any problems but mostly it wouldn't. Sorry, never heard of that. Sounds alarmingly like Windows terminology. :-) This is a stable version of Debian, right? I'm using pon/poff, but I didn't set it up with pppconfig. I originally included wdm and xdm in the install but decided to remove wdm temporarily. Having done that I cannot now re-install it. If I run dselect, mark wdm for install, then install I get a message 'Install OK' but it has not installed and is still marked for installation. If I then set it for a complete uninstall (purge) it goes throught the motions but apparently does nothing. There appears to be no trace of wdm on the partition but I cannot install it. How do you know wdm doesn't get installed? It could be that it's just not fully configured for use. I don't use wdm, so I don't know much about it. This may also be a good use for apt, either apt-get or the apt dselect method. Not an entirely satisfactory experience. I have not yet been able to try apt-get but I hope to do that soon and I shall probably need my fingers crossed. Consider mine crossed as well. :-) Another reason many like Debian is because of the quick and complete support they receive on the mailing lists. In fact, I'd say that's even more important than the ease-of-use that apt offers. I would not yet regard this Debian installation as reliable. Only time will tell. Good call. Over time, you should get more comfortable with it while you have fewer and fewer problems. They say that Debian is one of the more difficult distributions to install, but by far the best to maintain. Now with Corel's cooperation
Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:53:30 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Modem, that's why. All I have is about 28.8K to the Internet, and it takes a long time to download a whole Debian install on that. When I first installed Debian I had a 28.8k connection to the net. That was Hamm frozen. I've done every upgrade since then on a 28.8k connection. When I installed Hamm onto my Laptop I had a 28.8k connection to the net. Every update to it has been over the net. Did you have to pay by the minute or by the megabyte? There are some that do have to. For them it's much cheaper to get a CD, then upgrade the few important things over the net. What if you're going to reinstall a few times before everything is set up properly? Would you want to be able to reinstall immediately, or would you rather wait 10 hours each time? Not that i'm saying reinstallation is necessary, but for some people it's much easier to correct major screw-ups that way rather than juggling packages. Net works for you? Great! But for some people it's not the best option. Respect that.
Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
I install Debian with a 14.4 modem. Trust me, it only takes patience. Hamish Moffatt wrote: Modem, that's why. All I have is about 28.8K to the Internet, and it takes a long time to download a whole Debian install on that. Hamish
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Patrick Colbeck wrote: Hey, my hard drive did the sudden thrashing thing last night too. Its never done it before (well it has in NT but not in Linux). All I was doing was reading mail remotely over a dialup line using xemacs in a kterm in KDE 1.1.1 (from snowcrash). It stopped after a while (about 4 minutes) and has been fine since. This never happened before in RedHat or with Hamm. Is this a KDE thing perhaps ?. I am running on an AST M series Laptop which has 48Mb ram and a 2GB Linux partition with about 1300MB free and a 92MB swap file. Pat It's probably just some scheduled housekeeping, such as an updatedb (which updates the database used by the locate command). As root, you can run updatedb manually to see if it sounds/feels comparable to what you experienced last night. Also, you can run updatedb manually after you've installed some new package(s) if you need to locate a file before the scheduled updatedb runs. It may also be some other scheduled process, but on my machines the scheduled run of updatedb is the usual cause of late-night thrashing.
Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
I install Debian with a 14.4 modem. Trust me, it only takes patience. Or CDs. They're cheap. Will -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ | |PGP Public Key: http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/index.html#pgpkey| -- | And if you hold on tight to what you think is your thing | |you may find you're missing all the rest ...| |- Dave Matthews, Best of What's Around | --
Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
But if you can't wait the week or two for the CD's... Will Lowe wrote: I install Debian with a 14.4 modem. Trust me, it only takes patience. Or CDs. They're cheap.
Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:22:38 -0500 (CDT), Brad wrote: What if you're going to reinstall a few times before everything is set up properly? Would you want to be able to reinstall immediately, or would you rather wait 10 hours each time? Not that i'm saying reinstallation is necessary, but for some people it's much easier to correct major screw-ups that way rather than juggling packages. That is their perogative. However, I don't think that needs a smoothing of the multi-CD, esp. as one person pointed out, it may not even be Debian at fault. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBN11C33pf7K2LbpnFEQJnoACg3g079VDkmdnhKVP/qwzrlfbOWhkAnjLh 5LoCMb1AkQHLvz5LDfi1Vv/9 =yQMp -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
This mail was sent from a 100% Microsoft-free (aka GPF-free) environment. Have a stable day. Use Linux. On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Patrick Colbeck wrote: Hey, my hard drive did the sudden thrashing thing last night too. Its never done it before (well it has in NT but not in Linux). All I was doing was reading mail remotely over a dialup line using xemacs in a kterm in KDE 1.1.1 (from snowcrash). It stopped after a while (about 4 minutes) and has been fine since. This never happened before in RedHat or with Hamm. Is this a KDE thing perhaps ?. I am running on an AST M series Laptop which has 48Mb ram and a 2GB Linux partition with about 1300MB free and a 92MB swap file. Pat I don't think it's a KDE thing. I think it is a cron thing (or an anacron thing, or whatever scheduler you are using.) -Ben
Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
Hi, I thought I'd just throw in that I have used both Red Hat (5.0 -) and SuSE (5.1 -) and am mightily impressed by The Debian Experience. The install process is rather rough, I'll admit. I just pick the installation type from the custom menu on the Slink disk and grit my teeth as dselect does its work. Am I the only one that finds dselect to be a horrible package manager to work with? Once it's installed, though, Debian works beautifully. I run bleeding-edge Potato (weekly updates) and have run into only minor problems (suid su, [EMAIL PROTECTED] /etc/ppp permissions) so far. Apt is a wonderful tool, and Gnome-Apt completes the package. One question: How do I point Apt at something else besides an http connection? I'd like to use it on CD-ROM images, if possible. Dpkg would take forever to use and, as I've said before, I hate dselect. As for sound, I must say that I've had a few problems with it. Of course, I had similar problems in previous versions of RH... Go fig. Anyway, once you've compiled in the kernel modules that you'll need, try this: Grab an rpm of RH's sndconfig, alien it over to a .deb, and install it. I used it, and it worked the first time (SB AWE-64 PNP). Is there a comparable Debian tool that I've been missing? Anyway, I just thought I'd share :-) Keep up the good work! I am currently working on getting my local RH-dominated LUG to convert :-) -Chris
Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
On Wed, 09 Jun 1999, Chris wrote: As for sound, I must say that I've had a few problems with it. Of course, I had similar problems in previous versions of RH... Go fig. Anyway, once you've compiled in the kernel modules that you'll need, try this: Grab an rpm of RH's sndconfig, alien it over to a .deb, and install it. I used it, and it worked the first time (SB AWE-64 PNP). Is there a comparable Debian tool that I've been missing? Great that you've tried sndconfig and it works on Debian. Maybe the Debian development guys could include it in the distribution -- would that be legal? Regards, Barry Kauler
Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
On Tue, Jun 08, 1999 at 11:06:44AM -0500, Kelly Corbin wrote: I install Debian with a 14.4 modem. Trust me, it only takes patience. And a lot of money! For me in Poland it is much cheaper to download once the whole CD-image (through the T1 network in my University), burn it and use for all the computers I need to upgrade, then to upgrade all of them through the modem. -- Wojciech Zabolotny [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gnupg.org Gnu Privacy Guard - protect your mail data with the FREE cryptographic system
