Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-20 Thread Andy Tai
So long as GNOME provides the same experience when these technologies are not present... On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Seif Lotfys...@lotfy.com wrote: 2009/8/19 Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Seif Lotfys...@lotfy.com wrote: Problem with

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-20 Thread Seif Lotfy
- Tracker finds relationships between data over content. Song A and Song B are form Artist Y who is from the same hometown of Artsit X - Zeitgeist finds relationships between data over usage. Last week google.com and Project A were used alot together. So google is now in

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-19 Thread Florian Ludwig
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 17:40 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: 1. what problems we want to solve for the user Here some use cases I think that could be solved with some of those shiny new technologies - but I'm not involved with any of tracker, zeitgeist, couchdb, whatever, so I can't tell if they

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-19 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 18:38 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 00:27 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 16:48 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: I think this recent discussion about tracker as a gnome module is somewhat backwards. I don't think it is leading us

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-19 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 00:36 +0200, Philip Van Hoof wrote: We evaluated CouchDB as a primary store over sqlite, but CouchDB lacked *very* important features. This makes it undoable. Feel free to get in touch with us to discuss which precise features I mean. I talked to some tracker people at

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-19 Thread Ivan Frade
Hi, On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Thomas H.P. Andersen pho...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:48, Matthias Clasenmatthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: I think this recent discussion about tracker as a gnome module is somewhat backwards. I don't think it is leading us anywhere to

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-19 Thread John Carr
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Ivan Fradeivan.fr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Thomas H.P. Andersen pho...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:48, Matthias Clasenmatthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: I think this recent discussion about tracker as a gnome

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-19 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 15:50 +0100, John Carr wrote: CouchDB is also a storage but with a different philosophy. The nicest part is the synchronization... but maybe we could wrap tracker in a similar code to allow the online replication. This is just a wild guess. I think its possible -

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-19 Thread Ross Burton
On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 11:23 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: i also think there is some mileage in using couchdb as the primary store and just have tracker index that. one of the strengths of couchdb is its mvcc architecture which means its completely corruption proof as updates are always

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-19 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2009/8/19 Ross Burton r...@burtonini.com: On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 11:23 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: i also think there is some mileage in using couchdb as the primary store and just have tracker index that. one of the strengths of couchdb is its mvcc architecture which means its completely

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-19 Thread Rob Taylor
Ross Burton wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 11:23 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: i also think there is some mileage in using couchdb as the primary store and just have tracker index that. one of the strengths of couchdb is its mvcc architecture which means its completely corruption proof as

Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
I think this recent discussion about tracker as a gnome module is somewhat backwards. I don't think it is leading us anywhere to talk about ontologies and rdf and events and timelines and metadata stores and kernel apis before we answer the first question: What is the user problem that we are

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-18 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Matthias Clasenmatthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: I think this recent discussion about tracker as a gnome module is somewhat backwards. I don't think it is leading us anywhere to talk about ontologies and rdf and events and timelines and metadata stores and

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-18 Thread Maciej Piechotka
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 16:48 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: I think this recent discussion about tracker as a gnome module is somewhat backwards. I don't think it is leading us anywhere to talk about ontologies and rdf and events and timelines and metadata stores and kernel apis before we answer

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-18 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 18 août 2009 à 17:01 -0400, Colin Walters a écrit : Tracker the arguments are more complex; I think what they're effectively arguing is not that one individual use case but more the network effects from having all of them in one database (where did I put that download from the email

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-18 Thread David Zeuthen
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 16:48 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: I think this recent discussion about tracker as a gnome module is somewhat backwards. I don't think it is leading us anywhere to talk about ontologies and rdf and events and timelines and metadata stores and kernel apis before we answer

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-18 Thread Seif Lotfy
- Tracker finds relationships between data over content. Song A and Song B are form Artist Y who is from the same hometown of Artsit X - Zeitgeist finds relationships between data over usage. Last week google.com and Project A were used alot together. So google is now in

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-18 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 23:02 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Matthias Clasenmatthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: I think this recent discussion about tracker as a gnome module is somewhat backwards. I don't think it is leading us anywhere to talk about ontologies

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-18 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 23:18 +0200, Maciej Piechotka wrote: CouchDB: I don't really think it is needed. I'm not convinced - how many times do I need to change email client. Without proper definition of storage (such as FirstName vs. firstName vs ...) it won't help we are defining the storage

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-18 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 00:27 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 16:48 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: I think this recent discussion about tracker as a gnome module is somewhat backwards. I don't think it is leading us anywhere to talk about ontologies and rdf and events and

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-18 Thread Seif Lotfy
Problem with thinking of these tecnologies as what wil lit give the user is a wrong approach IMHO. The 3 technologies provide developers of applications standards and tools to provide better user experience. Unless the technology has a client (Such as the Tracker Search uses the Tracker Storage)

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-18 Thread Thomas H.P. Andersen
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:48, Matthias Clasenmatthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: I think this recent discussion about tracker as a gnome module is somewhat backwards. I don't think it is leading us anywhere to talk about ontologies and rdf and events and timelines and metadata stores and kernel

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-18 Thread Seif Lotfy
2009/8/19 Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Seif Lotfys...@lotfy.com wrote: Problem with thinking of these tecnologies as what wil lit give the user is a wrong approach IMHO. 'Designing' the next desktop by picking the cool-sounding technologies