Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-23 Thread Lukasz Lenart
Jason submitted his patch [1], what should we do? apply or leave it? [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OGNL-239 Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ 2013/11/14 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com: On 14 Nov 2013, at 10:01, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: Le

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-14 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Le 10/11/2013 21:46, Christian Grobmeier a écrit : From all the log4j talks I gave recently there were zero people using commons-logging. For me it is dead. For what it's worth, the install base of commons-logging in Debian is ten times the one of slf4j, and there is no sign of it declining:

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-14 Thread Benedikt Ritter
2013/11/14 Emmanuel Bourg ebo...@apache.org Le 10/11/2013 21:46, Christian Grobmeier a écrit : From all the log4j talks I gave recently there were zero people using commons-logging. For me it is dead. For what it's worth, the install base of commons-logging in Debian is ten times the one

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-14 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 14 Nov 2013, at 10:01, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: Le 10/11/2013 21:46, Christian Grobmeier a écrit : From all the log4j talks I gave recently there were zero people using commons-logging. For me it is dead. For what it's worth, the install base of commons-logging in Debian is ten times the

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-11 Thread Thomas Neidhart
it). Thomas Gary Original message From: Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com Date:11/10/2013 15:46 (GMT-05:00) To: Commons Developers List dev@commons.apache.org Subject: Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging? On 10 Nov 2013, at 21:24, henrib wrote: Would you share why

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-10 Thread Lukasz Lenart
Subject: RE: [OGNL] Make use of logging? IMHO, commons logging is the best choice for this kinds of lib; it does not force the choice of the implementation library. Henrib -- View this message in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/OGNL-Make-use-of-logging

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
...@apache.org Date:11/09/2013 12:23 (GMT-05:00) To: dev@commons.apache.org Subject: RE: [OGNL] Make use of logging? IMHO, commons logging is the best choice for this kinds of lib; it does not force the choice of the implementation library. Henrib -- View this message in context: http://apache

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-10 Thread henrib
Would you share why ? I'm sure it would be beneficial to others (including the commons logging community). -- View this message in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/OGNL-Make-use-of-logging-tp4653577p4656667.html Sent from the Commons - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
thought, sorry. Hope you understand a bit better why I can't support commons-logging going into OGNL. If any more questions please shout. Cheers Christian -- View this message in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/OGNL-Make-use-of-logging-tp4653577p4656667.html Sent from

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-10 Thread Gary Gregory
Well said Christian.  Gary Original message From: Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com Date:11/10/2013 15:46 (GMT-05:00) To: Commons Developers List dev@commons.apache.org Subject: Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging? On 10 Nov 2013, at 21:24, henrib wrote: Would you

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-10 Thread Thomas Neidhart
. Cheers Christian -- View this message in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/OGNL-Make-use-of-logging-tp4653577p4656667.html Sent from the Commons - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com

RE: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-10 Thread Jason Pyeron
-Original Message- From: Lukasz Lenart Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:08 2013/11/7 Jason Pyeron jpye...@pdinc.us: -Original Message- From: Benedikt Ritter Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 11:00 Yes, as long as it's Log4j2 ;-) Now I need a sed script to

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-10 Thread Gary Gregory
thought, sorry. Hope you understand a bit better why I can't support commons-logging going into OGNL. If any more questions please shout. Cheers Christian -- View this message in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/OGNL-Make-use-of-logging-tp4653577p4656667.html Sent

RE: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-09 Thread henrib
IMHO, commons logging is the best choice for this kinds of lib; it does not force the choice of the implementation library. Henrib -- View this message in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/OGNL-Make-use-of-logging-tp4653577p4656625.html Sent from the Commons - Dev mailing

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-09 Thread Gary Gregory
Log4j 2? Original message From: Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com Date:11/09/2013 13:53 (GMT-05:00) To: Commons Developers List dev@commons.apache.org Subject: Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging? On 9 Nov 2013, at 18:23, henrib wrote: IMHO, commons logging is the best

RE: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-09 Thread Gary Gregory
Neither does log4j 2 ;) Original message From: henrib hen...@apache.org Date:11/09/2013 12:23 (GMT-05:00) To: dev@commons.apache.org Subject: RE: [OGNL] Make use of logging? IMHO, commons logging is the best choice for this kinds of lib; it does not force the choice

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-08 Thread sebb
On 7 November 2013 17:08, Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.org wrote: 2013/11/7 Jason Pyeron jpye...@pdinc.us: -Original Message- From: Benedikt Ritter Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 11:00 Yes, as long as it's Log4j2 ;-) Now I need a sed script to replace j.u.l. to it... Is

RE: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-07 Thread Jason Pyeron
-Original Message- From: Lukasz Lenart Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 10:23 2013/11/5 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com: On 5 Nov 2013, at 14:29, Lukasz Lenart wrote: So what's the idea here? Should we apply additional logging layer (as Jason proposed)? Or throw

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-07 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2013/11/7 Jason Pyeron jpye...@pdinc.us: -Original Message- From: Benedikt Ritter Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 11:00 Yes, as long as it's Log4j2 ;-) Now I need a sed script to replace j.u.l. to it... Is Log4j2 the one that is desired? I figured SLF4J was going to be the

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-05 Thread Lukasz Lenart
jpye...@pdinc.us: -Original Message- From: Benedikt Ritter [mailto:brit...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 4:28 To: Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging? 2013/9/4 Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.org 2013/9/3 Christian Grobmeier grobme

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-05 Thread Christian Grobmeier
: -Original Message- From: Benedikt Ritter [mailto:brit...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 4:28 To: Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging? 2013/9/4 Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.org 2013/9/3 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com: I found 11 uses

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-05 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2013/11/5 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com: On 5 Nov 2013, at 14:29, Lukasz Lenart wrote: So what's the idea here? Should we apply additional logging layer (as Jason proposed)? Or throw it away and start thinking about new release? I have reviewed TODOs and I haven't spotted any

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-09-04 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2013/9/3 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com: I found 11 uses of e.printStackTrace and think its pretty bad. Including OgnlException overwrites printStackTrace and writes to System.err for some reason. In addition there are a lot of System.out's, but those are all commented and seem to

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-09-04 Thread Benedikt Ritter
2013/9/4 Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.org 2013/9/3 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com: I found 11 uses of e.printStackTrace and think its pretty bad. Including OgnlException overwrites printStackTrace and writes to System.err for some reason. In addition there are a lot of

RE: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-09-04 Thread Jason Pyeron
-Original Message- From: Benedikt Ritter [mailto:brit...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 4:28 To: Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging? 2013/9/4 Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.org 2013/9/3 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com

[OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-09-03 Thread Christian Grobmeier
I found 11 uses of e.printStackTrace and think its pretty bad. Including OgnlException overwrites printStackTrace and writes to System.err for some reason. In addition there are a lot of System.out's, but those are all commented and seem to have served debugging purposes. I believe small libs