Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-05-01 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Thanks for bringing me into context, Phil. Of course, I agree with all your points. Jochen On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/29/13 5:39 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 April

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-30 Thread Thomas Vandahl
On 30.04.2013 00:01, Gilles wrote: If someone doesn't develop a Commons component, he is not in the developer category for that component. If his app _uses_ a Commons component, he is a user of that component. This kind of users should indeed be encouraged to test snapshots, and report problems

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-30 Thread Phil Steitz
On 4/29/13 11:49 PM, Thomas Vandahl wrote: On 30.04.2013 00:01, Gilles wrote: If someone doesn't develop a Commons component, he is not in the developer category for that component. If his app _uses_ a Commons component, he is a user of that component. This kind of users should indeed be

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-30 Thread Gilles
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:36:10 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: On 4/29/13 11:49 PM, Thomas Vandahl wrote: On 30.04.2013 00:01, Gilles wrote: If someone doesn't develop a Commons component, he is not in the developer category for that component. If his app _uses_ a Commons component, he is a user of

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-30 Thread Phil Steitz
On 4/30/13 7:51 AM, Gilles wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:36:10 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: On 4/29/13 11:49 PM, Thomas Vandahl wrote: On 30.04.2013 00:01, Gilles wrote: If someone doesn't develop a Commons component, he is not in the developer category for that component. If his app _uses_ a

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-30 Thread sebb
On 30 April 2013 15:51, Gilles gil...@harfang.homelinux.org wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:36:10 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: On 4/29/13 11:49 PM, Thomas Vandahl wrote: On 30.04.2013 00:01, Gilles wrote: If someone doesn't develop a Commons component, he is not in the developer category for

[PMC] Alpha Binaries Release Policy (was Re: [collections] beta release - howto)

2013-04-30 Thread Honton, Charles
Is there any policy concern with publishing the binaries of alpha releases, after vote, to a Apache snapshot repository which is not replicated to Maven Central? Chas On 4/30/13 8:28 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 April 2013 15:51, Gilles gil...@harfang.homelinux.org wrote: On Tue,

Re: [PMC] Alpha Binaries Release Policy (was Re: [collections] beta release - howto)

2013-04-30 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Le 30/04/2013 17:59, Honton, Charles a écrit : Is there any policy concern with publishing the binaries of alpha releases, after vote, to a Apache snapshot repository which is not replicated to Maven Central? I don't know, but nightly builds are already pushed to the snapshot repository:

Re: [PMC] Alpha Binaries Release Policy (was Re: [collections] beta release - howto)

2013-04-30 Thread sebb
On 30 April 2013 16:59, Honton, Charles charles_hon...@intuit.com wrote: Is there any policy concern with publishing the binaries of alpha releases, after vote, to a Apache snapshot repository which is not replicated to Maven Central? Not sure that question makes sense as posed. If a build

Re: [PMC] Alpha Binaries Release Policy (was Re: [collections] beta release - howto)

2013-04-30 Thread Phil Steitz
On 4/30/13 9:28 AM, sebb wrote: On 30 April 2013 16:59, Honton, Charles charles_hon...@intuit.com wrote: Is there any policy concern with publishing the binaries of alpha releases, after vote, to a Apache snapshot repository which is not replicated to Maven Central? Not sure that question

Re: [PMC] Alpha Binaries Release Policy (was Re: [collections] beta release - howto)

2013-04-30 Thread sebb
On 30 April 2013 17:52, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/30/13 9:28 AM, sebb wrote: On 30 April 2013 16:59, Honton, Charles charles_hon...@intuit.com wrote: Is there any policy concern with publishing the binaries of alpha releases, after vote, to a Apache snapshot

Re: [PMC] Alpha Binaries Release Policy (was Re: [collections] beta release - howto)

2013-04-30 Thread Phil Steitz
On 4/30/13 10:19 AM, sebb wrote: On 30 April 2013 17:52, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/30/13 9:28 AM, sebb wrote: On 30 April 2013 16:59, Honton, Charles charles_hon...@intuit.com wrote: Is there any policy concern with publishing the binaries of alpha releases, after vote,

Re: [PMC] Alpha Binaries Release Policy (was Re: [collections] beta release - howto)

2013-04-30 Thread sebb
On 30 April 2013 18:25, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/30/13 10:19 AM, sebb wrote: On 30 April 2013 17:52, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/30/13 9:28 AM, sebb wrote: On 30 April 2013 16:59, Honton, Charles charles_hon...@intuit.com wrote: Is there any

Re: [PMC] Alpha Binaries Release Policy (was Re: [collections] beta release - howto)

2013-04-30 Thread Phil Steitz
On 4/30/13 10:29 AM, sebb wrote: On 30 April 2013 18:25, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/30/13 10:19 AM, sebb wrote: On 30 April 2013 17:52, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/30/13 9:28 AM, sebb wrote: On 30 April 2013 16:59, Honton, Charles

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-30 Thread Oliver Heger
Am 30.04.2013 17:17, schrieb Phil Steitz: On 4/30/13 7:51 AM, Gilles wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:36:10 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: On 4/29/13 11:49 PM, Thomas Vandahl wrote: On 30.04.2013 00:01, Gilles wrote: If someone doesn't develop a Commons component, he is not in the developer category

Re: [PMC] Alpha Binaries Release Policy (was Re: [collections] beta release - howto)

2013-04-30 Thread Jörg Schaible
Phil Steitz wrote: On 4/30/13 10:29 AM, sebb wrote: On 30 April 2013 18:25, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/30/13 10:19 AM, sebb wrote: On 30 April 2013 17:52, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/30/13 9:28 AM, sebb wrote: On 30 April 2013 16:59, Honton, Charles

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-29 Thread sebb
On 29 April 2013 09:42, Thomas Neidhart thomas.neidh...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I certainly *want* to change the API if something is broken, so I guess an alpha release would be safer. I could imagine doing a first alpha till next week, and postpone some changes to an alpha2 release, as I will

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-29 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Well, I certainly *want* to change the API if something is broken, so I guess an alpha release would be safer. I could imagine doing a first alpha till next week, and postpone some changes to an alpha2 release, as I will need a bit more time to work on the Trie interface and maybe add a fluent API

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-29 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 April 2013 09:42, Thomas Neidhart thomas.neidh...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I certainly *want* to change the API if something is broken, so I guess an alpha release would be safer. Please keep upwards compatibility to any

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-29 Thread Phil Steitz
On 4/29/13 5:39 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 April 2013 09:42, Thomas Neidhart thomas.neidh...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I certainly *want* to change the API if something is broken, so I guess an alpha release would be safer.

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-29 Thread sebb
On 29 April 2013 15:51, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/29/13 5:39 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 April 2013 09:42, Thomas Neidhart thomas.neidh...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I certainly *want* to change the

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-29 Thread Thomas Neidhart
On 04/29/2013 11:02 AM, sebb wrote: On 29 April 2013 09:42, Thomas Neidhart thomas.neidh...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I certainly *want* to change the API if something is broken, so I guess an alpha release would be safer. I could imagine doing a first alpha till next week, and postpone some

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-29 Thread Thomas Neidhart
On 04/29/2013 04:51 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: On 4/29/13 5:39 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 April 2013 09:42, Thomas Neidhart thomas.neidh...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I certainly *want* to change the API if something is broken, so

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-29 Thread Gilles
On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:56:02 +0100, sebb wrote: On 29 April 2013 15:51, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/29/13 5:39 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 April 2013 09:42, Thomas Neidhart thomas.neidh...@gmail.com

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-29 Thread sebb
On 29 April 2013 21:49, Gilles gil...@harfang.homelinux.org wrote: On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:56:02 +0100, sebb wrote: On 29 April 2013 15:51, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/29/13 5:39 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-29 Thread sebb
On 29 April 2013 19:36, Thomas Neidhart thomas.neidh...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/29/2013 11:02 AM, sebb wrote: On 29 April 2013 09:42, Thomas Neidhart thomas.neidh...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I certainly *want* to change the API if something is broken, so I guess an alpha release would be

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-29 Thread sebb
Sorry, hit wrong button - not yet used to the new GMail. On 29 April 2013 19:36, Thomas Neidhart thomas.neidh...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/29/2013 11:02 AM, sebb wrote: On 29 April 2013 09:42, Thomas Neidhart thomas.neidh...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I certainly *want* to change the API if

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-29 Thread Gilles
On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:47:15 +0100, sebb wrote: On 29 April 2013 21:49, Gilles gil...@harfang.homelinux.org wrote: On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:56:02 +0100, sebb wrote: On 29 April 2013 15:51, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/29/13 5:39 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: On Mon, Apr 29,

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-28 Thread Henri Yandell
Is less attention paid to the API for an alpha/beta? Hen On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote: There is nothing special. Even with alpha, or beta as part of the version number, it is technically an ASF release, and therefore subject to the full

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-28 Thread sebb
On 28 April 2013 18:27, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: Is less attention paid to the API for an alpha/beta? If the idea is to be able to change the API (possibly breaking compatibility) then I don't think a Beta release is appropriate. That would be for an Alpha release - and we

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-27 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
There is nothing special. Even with alpha, or beta as part of the version number, it is technically an ASF release, and therefore subject to the full blown process and rules. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Thomas Neidhart thomas.neidh...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I have seen that the log4j team

Re: [collections] beta release - howto

2013-04-25 Thread Gary Gregory
I think we can make it be the same as releasing a full release. Gary On Apr 25, 2013, at 2:57, Thomas Neidhart thomas.neidh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have seen that the log4j team prepared a new beta for v2. As collections 4 is very close to be ready, I'd like to know more about the