Re: canned deflate conf in manual -- time to drop the NS4/vary?

2010-06-04 Thread Mark Nottingham
On 02/06/2010, at 9:00 AM, toki...@aol.com wrote: Sergey wrote... That's new to me that browsers don't cache stuff that has Vary only on Accept-Encoding - can you post some statistics or describe the test you ran? Test results and statistics... Apache DEV forum...

Re: canned deflate conf in manual -- time to drop the NS4/vary?

2010-06-04 Thread tokiley
Mark Nottingham wrote... On 02/06/2010, at 9:00 AM, toki...@aol.com wrote: Sergey wrote... That's new to me that browsers don't cache stuff that has Vary only on Accept-Encoding - can you post some statistics or describe the test you ran? Test results and statistics...

Re: canned deflate conf in manual -- time to drop the NS4/vary?

2010-06-04 Thread Mark Nottingham
On 04/06/2010, at 6:51 PM, toki...@aol.com wrote: I think you need to do a reboot on your definition of 'anecdotal'. Good for you. The thread above was a focused discussion about what ACTUALLY happens if you try to 'Vary:' on 'User-Agent' in the real world these days accompanied by some

Re: canned deflate conf in manual -- time to drop the NS4/vary?

2010-06-04 Thread Brian Pane
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 2:18 AM, Mark Nottingham m...@mnot.net wrote: [...] It's not a bug in the implementations, it's a grey area in 2616 that HTTPbis has since worked to resolve;  http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/147 By my reading of the attachments in that ticket, servers

RE: canned deflate conf in manual -- time to drop the NS4/vary?

2010-06-04 Thread Plüm, Rüdiger, VF-Group
-Original Message- From: Brian Pane [mailto:brianp...@gmail.com] Sent: Freitag, 4. Juni 2010 14:39 To: dev@httpd.apache.org Subject: Re: canned deflate conf in manual -- time to drop the NS4/vary? On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 2:18 AM, Mark Nottingham m...@mnot.net wrote: [...]

Re: canned deflate conf in manual -- time to drop the NS4/vary?

2010-06-04 Thread Brian Pane
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Plüm, Rüdiger, VF-Group ruediger.pl...@vodafone.com wrote: [...] Isn't that what Transfer-Encoding is designed for? Yes, and in fact if we were talking about a brand new protocol, I'd probably argue in favor of putting the compression specifier in the

Re: canned deflate conf in manual -- time to drop the NS4/vary?

2010-06-04 Thread Mark Nottingham
Changing the semantics of Accept-Encoding / Content-Encoding is likely out of scope for HTTPbis; I have a hard time believing it wouldn't make existing implementations non-conformant, which we can really only do if there's a serious security or interoperability concern. OTOH I think it would

Re: canned deflate conf in manual -- time to drop the NS4/vary?

2010-06-01 Thread Sergey Chernyshev
Yeah, it should only Vary on Accept-encoding (already does). It's still not perfect, but at least it doesn't blow up proxies too much. The question to people with statistics - are there any other issues with gzip/proxy configurations? Sergey On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Eric

Re: canned deflate conf in manual -- time to drop the NS4/vary?

2010-06-01 Thread tokiley
Don't forget the ongoing issue that if you ONLY vary on 'Accept-Encoding' then almost ALL browsers will then refuse to cache a response entity LOCALLY and the pain factor moves directly to the Proxy/Content Server(s). If you vary on 'User-Agent' ( No longer reasonable because of the abuse of

Re: canned deflate conf in manual -- time to drop the NS4/vary?

2010-06-01 Thread Nick Kew
On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:44:41 -0400 toki...@aol.com wrote: Don't forget the ongoing issue that if you ONLY vary on 'Accept-Encoding' then almost ALL browsers will then refuse to cache a response entity LOCALLY Really? That sounds bizarre! Do you have a reference for it? -- Nick Kew

Re: canned deflate conf in manual -- time to drop the NS4/vary?

2010-06-01 Thread tokiley
Sergey wrote... That's new to me that browsers don't cache stuff that has Vary only on Accept-Encoding - can you post some statistics or describe the test you ran? Test results and statistics... Apache DEV forum...