Re: Performance test comparisons

2013-02-13 Thread janI
On 13 February 2013 00:47, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.orgwrote: If you have a good setup for testing such things, try loading, saving, and closing AndrewMacro.odt LO claims that much of their improvements are related to large Calc documents. Might be nice to find and test their

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Andre Fischer
On 13.02.2013 08:28, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 12, 2013, at 10:39 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: (OK, I guess it's better to re-subscribe to the list). In reply to Norbert Thiebaud*: In the Power rule, which

Re: Performance test comparisons

2013-02-13 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 2/13/13 9:42 AM, janI wrote: On 13 February 2013 00:47, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.orgwrote: If you have a good setup for testing such things, try loading, saving, and closing AndrewMacro.odt LO claims that much of their improvements are related to large Calc documents.

Re: Performance test comparisons

2013-02-13 Thread janI
On 13 February 2013 10:33, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/13/13 9:42 AM, janI wrote: On 13 February 2013 00:47, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: If you have a good setup for testing such things, try loading, saving, and closing AndrewMacro.odt

Re: Performance test comparisons

2013-02-13 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 2/13/13 12:12 PM, janI wrote: On 13 February 2013 10:33, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/13/13 9:42 AM, janI wrote: On 13 February 2013 00:47, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: If you have a good setup for testing such things, try loading, saving, and

Re: Performance test comparisons

2013-02-13 Thread janI
On 13 February 2013 12:22, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/13/13 12:12 PM, janI wrote: On 13 February 2013 10:33, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/13/13 9:42 AM, janI wrote: On 13 February 2013 00:47, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote:

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Guenter Marxen
Hi, I reply to this mail, because I have some remarks to Andrea's statements (see below). But please excuse, if I (as german) perhaps use not always the right english words/expressions/definitions.) But first: Norbert Thibaud has cleared the mathematical questions and shown, that

Re: [EXTENSIONS]: proposal to deprecate all extension snippets that are not packaged as oxt

2013-02-13 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 2/8/13 11:16 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 06/02/2013 janI wrote: I assume (without really knowing it) that there is an easy upgrade path for extensions currently not being an oxt to become one. We need to document (if not already done) this upgrade in a way, that motivates the extension

Re: Performance test comparisons

2013-02-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: If you have a good setup for testing such things, try loading, saving, and closing AndrewMacro.odt That's a big one: Release the Kraken! The time to close the document (not saving) could be low-hanging

Re: Performance test comparisons

2013-02-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:42 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 13 February 2013 00:47, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.orgwrote: If you have a good setup for testing such things, try loading, saving, and closing AndrewMacro.odt LO claims that much of their improvements are related

Re: New page: Contributing Code

2013-02-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:47 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 12 February 2013 23:19, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: We had a thread before Christmas discussing code contributions and best practices for how someone could contribute code to multiple projects, e.g., AOO and LO. I've

Re: New page: Contributing Code

2013-02-13 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: OK. I rewrote this section to be more positive: http://openoffice.apache.org/contributing-code.html For larges codebases - For large codebases Don

Re: New page: Contributing Code

2013-02-13 Thread janI
+1 I like the page. Is it also worth publishing somehow as a blog so outsiders notice it. I think you have a typo near the end VCS revision. Have a nice day. rgds Jan I. On 13 February 2013 15:52, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:47 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello; Da: Norbert Thiebaud ... On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 12, 2013, at 10:39 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: (OK, I guess it's better to re-subscribe to the list). In reply to Norbert Thiebaud*: In the Power rule, which *is*

Re: New page: Contributing Code

2013-02-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:05 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: +1 I like the page. Is it also worth publishing somehow as a blog so outsiders notice it. I think you have a typo near the end VCS revision. Thanks, I fixed that, the typo Don noted and a few other spelling errors I noticed. I

Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

2013-02-13 Thread tony fre
hi all, I love computers and since the first personal one came to brazil I've been dealing with them. I played with BASIC on the old times . . . saw some assembly but I'm not a programmer - I don't like it. on the other hand I love to break the computer and fix. I cannot count how many times I

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread RGB ES
Not answering any particular message, so top posting. Two points: a) Of course you can always redefine a function to fill holes on non defined points: for example, redefining sinc(x) = sin(x)/x to be 1 on x=0 makes sense because you obtain a continuous function... but that's on 1 variable: when

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Pedro Giffuni
FWIW; - Messaggio originale - Da: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak  Of course, had I implemented quaternion math using Boost, no one would be complaining. :-P Pedro. [1] http://bikeshed.org Do it, do it, do it; PLEESSEEE. :-) Quaternions are cool.  

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Thank you Ricardo; My suggestion would be to leave things as they are and give the matter a rest. I personally prefer to focus on other (more necessary) developments like updating python to version 2.7.4 which will be released this weekend. We have ample time for testing and if there is new

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Joe Schaefer
Honestly I'd say that if anything is clear, it's that changing away from the status quo currently enjoys zero consensus. As a Ph.D. mathematician who knows about Bourbaki, all I can say is that line of argument is curious here.  There are no authorities other than the spec to turn to about how

Interval arithmetic [was Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0]

2013-02-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: FWIW; - Messaggio originale - Da: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak Of course, had I implemented quaternion math using Boost, no one would be complaining. :-P Pedro. [1] http://bikeshed.org Do it, do it, do it;

Re: Draft: Advice for Students page

2013-02-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 11/02/2013 Rob Weir wrote: http://openoffice.apache.org/students.html ... Any other things that should be on the list? Nothing to add, good text. But I would link Let us know (first bullet point) and [have your professor] contact us (last one) to

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Joe Schaefer
OTOH I haven't seen anyone issue a technical veto on this change, which is really what's required before Pedro actually needs to revert anything. From: Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com To: dev@openoffice.apache.org dev@openoffice.apache.org; Pedro Giffuni

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: Honestly I'd say that if anything is clear, it's that changing away from the status quo currently enjoys zero consensus. As a Ph.D. mathematician who knows about Bourbaki, all I can say is that line of argument is

Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

2013-02-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 8:15 AM, tony fre colapa...@gmail.com wrote: hi all, Hi Tony, thanks for writing and welcome to the Apache OpenOffice project! I love computers and since the first personal one came to brazil I've been dealing with them. I played with BASIC on the old times . . .

Re: [EXTENSIONS]: proposal to deprecate all extension snippets that are not packaged as oxt

2013-02-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Jürgen Schmidt wrote: it seems that nobody has stronger concerns against this proposal and I think no vote is necessary. I will draft a blog and a mail to our announce list that we will deprecate older package extensions with 4.0 and that we will support oxt packages only in the future. You

Re: Completed Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

2013-02-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Forwarding to Maarten who is not subscribed. Maarten: please go on and feel free to ask for advice if you need help with your first build. Andrea On 13/02/2013 Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: Welcome. have you tried to build the source code yet? This may be a good starting place

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: OTOH I haven't seen anyone issue a technical veto on this change, which is really what's required before Pedro actually needs to revert anything. I was waiting to see if there were any persuasive arguments in favor

Implementation-defined behaviors in ODF spreadsheets

2013-02-13 Thread Rob Weir
This topic seems to be of more general interest, given the discussions we've been having regarding the evaluation of 0^0. When we were writing up the specification of ODF 1.2's OpenFormula we had the goal to describe how real-world spreadsheet applications worked today. Where they worked the

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Joe Schaefer
I think the days of fruitful debate about this topic are well past us now. What this issue needs at this point is a decision one way or the other. There are several ways of doing that according to the general voting policies at Apache: exercising those procedures should not be viewed as blunt

Re: Updating Java libraries

2013-02-13 Thread Fred Ollinger
Relying on jars, IMHO, is not bad, but it depends on your goals. The point of compiling from source is that it's a first step to actually being a developer which is why I do it. Compiling problems aren't problems for us new developers they are puzzles to solve to help people out. If there are

Building with --without-system-serf

2013-02-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti
I've been busy with building lately, especially with building on Fedora 18 with the --with-system-libs switch, which should be used for packaging in Fedora. This is preparation work for the Fedora 19 packaging. To isolate the problematic dependencies, I configure with something like

[BZ] Change strings with OOo on the BZ startpage

2013-02-13 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Hi BZ admins, https://issues.apache.org/ooo/ May I suggest some little string changes on the BZ startpage: HTML title -- Currently: Apache OOo Bugzilla Main Page New: Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla Main Page Headline Currently: Welcome to Apache OOo Bugzilla New: Welcome

[BUILD PROBLEM] Fail on JPropex build.xml line 122 \\ Error 65280

2013-02-13 Thread Maarten Kesselaers
My build just crashed on the build.xml under ./main/l10ntools/java/jpropex/ at line 122 : 122classpathref=classpath So I guess I need to set a CLASSPATH, right? To which directory should it be set? Thanks for your help, Regards, Maarten

Re: [BZ] Change strings with OOo on the BZ startpage

2013-02-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Hi BZ admins, https://issues.apache.org/ooo/ May I suggest some little string changes on the BZ startpage: HTML title -- Currently: Apache OOo Bugzilla Main Page New: Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla

Re: Performance test comparisons

2013-02-13 Thread janI
On 13 February 2013 22:06, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 09:42:42AM +0100, janI wrote: If performance and memory footprint is a concern, we loose a lot in our international version, An average set of language text takes up 1.3Mb in the code

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Joe Schaefer
FWIW I refreshed my memory about how to compute polynomials numerically by looking back at my old copy of Numerical Recipes in C and it's always considered bad form to evaluate the terms individually, especially not by using the POWER function to do it.  Most of the time you want to compute p =

Re: Interval arithmetic [was Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0]

2013-02-13 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 02/13/2013 11:14 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: FWIW; - Messaggio originale - Da: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak Of course, had I implemented quaternion math using Boost, no one would be complaining. :-P Pedro. [1]

Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

2013-02-13 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 02/13/2013 08:15 AM, tony fre wrote: hi all, I love computers and since the first personal one came to brazil I've been dealing with them. I played with BASIC on the old times . . . saw some assembly but I'm not a programmer - I don't like it. on the other hand I love to break the computer

Re: Implementation-defined behaviors in ODF spreadsheets

2013-02-13 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
Awesome! On 02/13/2013 12:43 PM, Rob Weir wrote: This topic seems to be of more general interest, given the discussions we've been having regarding the evaluation of 0^0. When we were writing up the specification of ODF 1.2's OpenFormula we had the goal to describe how real-world spreadsheet

Re: Performance test comparisons

2013-02-13 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:38:57AM +0100, janI wrote: I don't understand what you are talking about, it looks like you are mixing what happens during building the product, with the final product. The final product, as can be downloaded from the final, in his language, contain only

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 02/13/2013 02:46 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Independently of the vote result I will be effectively stopping the development work I intended to do on Calc as I have lost all interest on improving it given the current situation. I totally understand. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document:

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Joe Schaefer   FWIW I refreshed my memory about how to compute polynomials numerically by looking back at my old copy of Numerical Recipes in C and it's always considered bad form to evaluate the terms individually, especially not by using the POWER

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-13 Thread Pedro Giffuni
- Messaggio originale - Da: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak  ... On 02/13/2013 02:46 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Independently of the vote result I will be effectively stopping the development work I intended to do on Calc as I have lost all interest on improving it given the current

Re: Tutorial About

2013-02-13 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hi Jorge, On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 07:27:05PM -0600, jorge ivan poot diaz wrote: Hello Ariel, I did the steps you said, the compilation was successful, I made two copies too. Now when I click the button about not the message. And another point the basis that I have is the basis3.4. Are

Releasing incompatible changes

2013-02-13 Thread tj
Prior to working with AOO, I thought that there was a widely-known and generally accepted methodology for releasing incompatible changes. However, the problem has surfaced here three times: once last spring (encryption default), and twice currently (0⁰, and extensions with toolbars). I want to

Re: Updating Java libraries

2013-02-13 Thread Michael Lam
On 02/13/2013 12:48 PM, Fred Ollinger wrote: Relying on jars, IMHO, is not bad, but it depends on your goals. The point of compiling from source is that it's a first step to actually being a developer which is why I do it. Compiling problems aren't problems for us new developers they are

missing commit log

2013-02-13 Thread Carl Marcum
can I append a missing commit log? I committed r1446039 on command line okay, but r1446040and r1446041 using netbeans I missed the message: Added IT localization files Patch by: Fabrizio Marchesano fmarches...@gmail.com Review by: GianAngelo Cencio gacen...@gmail.com Thanks, Carl

Re: missing commit log

2013-02-13 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hi Carl, On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:38:44PM -0500, Carl Marcum wrote: can I append a missing commit log? I don't use subversion, but IIRC I've seen a commit from someone changing a log; if true, this might work:

Re: missing commit log

2013-02-13 Thread Joe Schaefer
Yes editing svn:log revprops is admissible and done routinely. From: Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 12:24 AM Subject: Re: missing commit log Hi Carl, On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at