Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Most suitable update mechanism (was Re: CVS dump of current SME...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hsing-Foo Wang said the following on 12/16/2003 2:18 PM: | contribs.org is simply providing a central place with information about | the (future) development. All this information is for 'free' and | everybody can contribute and share this information. Then why has the discussion been taken private? It hardly seems to be a good way to start off, particularly when you'll want the support of the people being excluded. Does this show what we can expect in the future? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/35l/HuzZVGGz45YRAuYQAJ9zco98qSL9mZiiWnR9kibMErQCBgCfVQxn 1lyUwt0x5dQBk/Q/LtngKFs= =NpaV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Searchable archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Most suitable update mechanism (was Re: CVS dump of current SME...)
Then why has the discussion been taken private? It hardly seems to be a good way to start off, particularly when you'll want the support of the people being excluded. Does this show what we can expect in the future? George, It was necessary to take organizational conversations private as everyone was running around talking about wild ideas and nothing was getting done. Please be assured that 95% of what's being discussed off-list at this time is organizational in nature (e.g., how are we going to move the lists, what bug tracking are we going to use, what's our next move, how are we going to organize the troops, do we use sourceforge or don't we, etc, etc.) There are lots of people that want stuff to do, but without some kind of organization, nothing will get done.These types of things can't be done by simply type chatting in an open forum. Now, you may disagree with all of the above and I certainly won't take offense to it. Remember, this is a GPL project. If you or anyone else wants to spin this off another direction. Please feel free to do so at any time. I can honestly say that it is no small undertaking to establish a venue for a GPL community of this type. I think many would be very surprised at the number of hours that several individuals are donating to setting up an infrastructure at contribs.org for this community. As a final point, I will reiterate a previous comment. Devinfo is moving to contribs.org soon and will remain the primary venue for open source development dicussion of the SME Server. Talk about the future of SME really hasn't even taken place yet. Contribs is simply working to establish a place for these discussions to happen and development activities to take place. Regards, Greg Zartman -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Searchable archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Most suitable update mechanism (was Re: CVS dump of current SME...)
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Greg Zartman wrote: getting done. Please be assured that 95% of what's being discussed off-list at this time is organizational in nature (e.g., how are we going to move the lists, what bug tracking are we going to use, what's our next move, how are we going to organize the troops, do we use sourceforge or don't we, etc, etc.) That's all as may be, Greg, but do remember that I started this thread by quoting Hsing-Foo: contribs.org is looking in to the most suiteable update mechachinsm. The most suitable update mechanism for end-users is not an organisational issue at all, and I can't understand why contribs.org would be looking into it. -- Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mitel Networks Corporation http://www.mitel.com/ Phone: +1 (613) 592 5660 or 592 2122 Fax: +1 (613) 592 1175 A: Because we read from top to bottom, left to right. Q: Why should i start my reply below the quoted text? -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Searchable archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Most suitable update mechanism (was Re: CVS dump of current SME...)
Frankly, I wonder as well... I agree. Closed lists are bad. I don't like them either. However, as previously indicated, it was necessary to get certain things done. A group started with a simply CC list in email messages. This proved to be a real pain in the butt, so a list was put together. I am sorry, but the above statement, coupled with the fact that the list is now private, 'feels' like a shift in... Something? Yes, a shift from a closed in-house project to a community project. Mitel is giving us GPL SME Server to manage, not e-smith.org and everything that is(was) located there. ALL of the service located there need to be rebuilt over at contribs.org. This simply can't be done by the community at large as the result would simply be a huge mess. Imagine the chaos if we had 10 different people setting up 10 different user forums/mailing lists? If anyone has a better idea, please speak up. We are all winging it here!! Regards, Greg Zartman -- Greg J. Zartman Life in entertainment and survival is a game -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Searchable archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Most suitable update mechanism (was Re: CVS dump of current SME...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Zartman said the following on 12/16/2003 7:28 PM: | It was necessary to take organizational conversations private as | everyone was running around talking about wild ideas and nothing was | getting done. Please be assured that 95% of what's being discussed | off-list at this time is organizational in nature (e.g., how are we | going to move the lists, what bug tracking are we going to use, what's | our next move, how are we going to organize the troops, do we use | sourceforge or don't we, etc, etc.) There are lots of people that want | stuff to do, but without some kind of organization, nothing will get | done. These types of things can't be done by simply type chatting in | an open forum. I agree that this can't be done in an open forum, all of the discussions here prove that, but it still doesn't have to be behind closed doors. The read only list was a wonderful idea. If there is a problem with someone emailing with questions or suggestions rather than posting to the appropriate forum, remove *that person*, not all of the rest of us. | Remember, this is a GPL project. If you or anyone else | wants to spin this off another direction. Please feel free to do so at | any time. I think *that* would be a little premature :) | I can honestly say that it is no small undertaking to | establish a venue for a GPL community of this type.I think many would | be very surprised at the number of hours that several individuals are | donating to setting up an infrastructure at contribs.org for this | community. Then show us. If we can see what is going on I'm sure we will all be more patient. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/36qbHuzZVGGz45YRAlwFAKCIDBqFt3J4KeFMnMWcIDVXDM/6eACgrJgb r8mdeBO6AnInc0BUi0JqBc0= =KlDK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Searchable archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Most suitable update mechanism (was Re: CVS dump of current SME...)
Hi Craig, We can only get where we want to go as long as 'we' are together in the process :-) And contribs.org is just doing that for the benefit of the _whole_ community. Basically, If you don't like what you see, you're free to go your own way. We're talking Open Source here, so you have as much 'power' as contribs.org has. contribs.org has stated multiple times that we're working on it. In the mean time prepare your home mdae docs and contribs so you can submit it with the correct license. As Linus said: It's ready when it's ready / it's done when it's done. Appreciate the feedback Craig. Regards, Hsing-Foo -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Searchable archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Most suitable update mechanism (was Re: CVS dump of
Hsing-Foo Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please feel free to share your thoughts and contributions on this matter. contribs.org is merely trying to create a starting point. If something better is requiered by the community I assume contribs.org will comply and do what it has always have been doing, serve the community. Again, thanks for your involvement and interest in the upcomming GPL release. Regards, Hsing-Foo I just want to say thanks to the dev team for taking the initiative to get things organized and started. I understand the need to get things jump-started. I for one will be patient while you get things under controllet us know when you're ready. :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School [EMAIL PROTECTED] (207)923-3100 -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Searchable archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
