Am Montag, 8. Juni 2009 12:10:39 schrieb Florent Daigniere:
> No way. Bugzilla is everything but usable in our case.
OK. So it's Trac (with complex import but DVCS integration), Mantis (which
some don't like) or an unfree solution. Did I miss one?
I didn't yet include roundup, because I only
Am Montag, 8. Juni 2009 12:10:39 schrieb Florent Daigniere:
No way. Bugzilla is everything but usable in our case.
OK. So it's Trac (with complex import but DVCS integration), Mantis (which
some don't like) or an unfree solution. Did I miss one?
I didn't yet include roundup, because I only
Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> On Friday, 5. June 2009 21:59:46 Matthew Toseland wrote:
>>> I already had that feeling about uservoice, but there I though "oh well,
>>> it's not really integral for freenet". But the bugtracker is integral,
>>> and relying on a proprietary solution for an integral
On Monday, 8. June 2009 05:44:58 Ian Clarke wrote:
> > And no matter how nice these people are, do you trust their strengths of
> > principles not to stab our back when they get threatened, if their
> > principles aren't even strong enough to make their project free software?
>
> What if it isn't
On Monday, 8. June 2009 03:22:13 steve wrote:
> As others have pointed out, we're only talking about a bug tracker, at most
> it is an annoyance and not a threat to the projects security
A bugtracker is _very close_ to a development dependency. How much time did we
now spend with searching for a
On Saturday, 6. June 2009 00:43:12 Ian Clarke wrote:
> >> Is it free? (I couldn't get that information from my first glance on the
> >> site)
> >
> > No. :|
>
> Yes it is, its free for open source projects, see
> http://sera.lighthouseapp.com/plans
That's gratis but not libre, so it isn't free.
On Saturday, 6. June 2009 00:49:42 Ian Clarke wrote:
> Its only a bugtracker. If they were to suddenly go evil (which they
> have no incentive to do) then it would be an annoyance, but not a
> disaster - we'd just move elsewhere.
When we take a look at the current search for a new solution, I
On Friday, 5. June 2009 21:59:46 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > I already had that feeling about uservoice, but there I though "oh well,
> > it's not really integral for freenet". But the bugtracker is integral,
> > and relying on a proprietary solution for an integral part of freenet is
> >
On Monday, 8. June 2009 03:22:13 steve wrote:
As others have pointed out, we're only talking about a bug tracker, at most
it is an annoyance and not a threat to the projects security
A bugtracker is _very close_ to a development dependency. How much time did we
now spend with searching for a
On Monday, 8. June 2009 05:44:58 Ian Clarke wrote:
And no matter how nice these people are, do you trust their strengths of
principles not to stab our back when they get threatened, if their
principles aren't even strong enough to make their project free software?
What if it isn't that
Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
On Friday, 5. June 2009 21:59:46 Matthew Toseland wrote:
I already had that feeling about uservoice, but there I though oh well,
it's not really integral for freenet. But the bugtracker is integral,
and relying on a proprietary solution for an integral part of
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> On Saturday, 6. June 2009 00:43:12 Ian Clarke wrote:
>> >> Is it free? (I couldn't get that information from my first glance on the
>> >> site)
>> >
>> > No. :|
>>
>> Yes it is, its free for open source projects, see
>>
As others have pointed out, we're only talking about a bug tracker, at most
it is an annoyance and not a threat to the projects security
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> On Saturday, 6. June 2009 00:43:12 Ian Clarke wrote:
> > >> Is it free? (I couldn't get that
On Friday, 5. June 2009 21:59:46 Matthew Toseland wrote:
I already had that feeling about uservoice, but there I though oh well,
it's not really integral for freenet. But the bugtracker is integral,
and relying on a proprietary solution for an integral part of freenet is
dangerous.
On Saturday, 6. June 2009 00:49:42 Ian Clarke wrote:
Its only a bugtracker. If they were to suddenly go evil (which they
have no incentive to do) then it would be an annoyance, but not a
disaster - we'd just move elsewhere.
When we take a look at the current search for a new solution, I think
On Saturday, 6. June 2009 00:43:12 Ian Clarke wrote:
Is it free? (I couldn't get that information from my first glance on the
site)
No. :|
Yes it is, its free for open source projects, see
http://sera.lighthouseapp.com/plans
That's gratis but not libre, so it isn't free. Matthew got
As others have pointed out, we're only talking about a bug tracker, at most
it is an annoyance and not a threat to the projects security
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide arne_...@web.dewrote:
On Saturday, 6. June 2009 00:43:12 Ian Clarke wrote:
Is it free? (I couldn't
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Arne Babenhauserheidearne_...@web.de wrote:
On Saturday, 6. June 2009 00:43:12 Ian Clarke wrote:
Is it free? (I couldn't get that information from my first glance on the
site)
No. :|
Yes it is, its free for open source projects, see
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Ian Clarke wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Matthew
> Toseland wrote:
>> On Thursday 04 June 2009 17:08:22 Ian Clarke wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Matthew Toseland
>>> wrote:
>>> > What bug tracker should we use? Trac? Jira? Lighthouse?
On Friday 05 June 2009 23:49:42 Ian Clarke wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Arne Babenhauserheide
> wrote:
> > On Thursday, 4. June 2009 20:02:13 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> >> > I vote for ?lighthouse. ?I've used Mantis, Trac, and Fogbugz, and
> >> > Lighthouse is better than all. ?It is
On Friday 05 June 2009 23:43:12 Ian Clarke wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Matthew
> Toseland wrote:
> > On Friday 05 June 2009 07:54:08 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> >> On Thursday, 4. June 2009 20:02:13 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> >> > > I vote for ?lighthouse. ?I've used Mantis, Trac,
On Friday 05 June 2009 07:54:08 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> On Thursday, 4. June 2009 20:02:13 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > > I vote for lighthouse. I've used Mantis, Trac, and Fogbugz, and
> > > Lighthouse is better than all. It is simple, user friendly, doesn't
> > > impose any particular
On Friday 05 June 2009 00:59:09 Daniel Cheng wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Matthew
> Toseland wrote:
> > On Thursday 04 June 2009 17:08:22 Ian Clarke wrote:
> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Matthew Toseland
> >> wrote:
> >> > What bug tracker should we use? Trac? Jira? Lighthouse?
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Matthew
Toseland wrote:
> Why is Lighthouse better than Mantis or Trac, both of which we could get from
> sourceforge? Mantis has the clear advantage that we know it. If Lighthouse
> does exactly the same as Mantis and is slightly prettier, for example, there
>
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> On Thursday, 4. June 2009 20:02:13 Matthew Toseland wrote:
>> > I vote for ?lighthouse. ?I've used Mantis, Trac, and Fogbugz, and
>> > Lighthouse is better than all. ?It is simple, user friendly, doesn't
>> > impose any particular way
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Matthew
Toseland wrote:
> On Friday 05 June 2009 07:54:08 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
>> On Thursday, 4. June 2009 20:02:13 Matthew Toseland wrote:
>> > > I vote for ?lighthouse. ?I've used Mantis, Trac, and Fogbugz, and
>> > > Lighthouse is better than all. ?It is
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Matthew
Toseland wrote:
> On Thursday 04 June 2009 17:08:22 Ian Clarke wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Matthew Toseland
>> wrote:
>> > What bug tracker should we use? Trac? Jira? Lighthouse? Something else?
>>
>> I vote for ?lighthouse. ?I've used Mantis,
On Thursday, 4. June 2009 20:02:13 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > I vote for lighthouse. I've used Mantis, Trac, and Fogbugz, and
> > Lighthouse is better than all. It is simple, user friendly, doesn't
> > impose any particular way of working, and it has a flexible API.
>
> How is it different to
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Matthew
Toseland wrote:
> On Thursday 04 June 2009 17:08:22 Ian Clarke wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Matthew Toseland
>> wrote:
>> > What bug tracker should we use? Trac? Jira? Lighthouse? Something else?
>>
>> I vote for ?lighthouse. ?I've used Mantis,
On Thursday, 4. June 2009 20:02:13 Matthew Toseland wrote:
I vote for lighthouse. I've used Mantis, Trac, and Fogbugz, and
Lighthouse is better than all. It is simple, user friendly, doesn't
impose any particular way of working, and it has a flexible API.
How is it different to Mantis
On Friday 05 June 2009 00:59:09 Daniel Cheng wrote:
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Matthew
Toselandt...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
On Thursday 04 June 2009 17:08:22 Ian Clarke wrote:
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Matthew Toseland
t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
What bug tracker
On Friday 05 June 2009 07:54:08 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
On Thursday, 4. June 2009 20:02:13 Matthew Toseland wrote:
I vote for lighthouse. I've used Mantis, Trac, and Fogbugz, and
Lighthouse is better than all. It is simple, user friendly, doesn't
impose any particular way of
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Matthew
Toselandt...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
On Thursday 04 June 2009 17:08:22 Ian Clarke wrote:
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Matthew Toseland
t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
What bug tracker should we use? Trac? Jira? Lighthouse? Something else?
I
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Matthew
Toselandt...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
On Friday 05 June 2009 07:54:08 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
On Thursday, 4. June 2009 20:02:13 Matthew Toseland wrote:
I vote for lighthouse. I've used Mantis, Trac, and Fogbugz, and
Lighthouse is better
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Arne Babenhauserheidearne_...@web.de wrote:
On Thursday, 4. June 2009 20:02:13 Matthew Toseland wrote:
I vote for lighthouse. I've used Mantis, Trac, and Fogbugz, and
Lighthouse is better than all. It is simple, user friendly, doesn't
impose any particular
On Friday 05 June 2009 23:43:12 Ian Clarke wrote:
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Matthew
Toselandt...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
On Friday 05 June 2009 07:54:08 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
On Thursday, 4. June 2009 20:02:13 Matthew Toseland wrote:
I vote for lighthouse. I've used
On Friday 05 June 2009 23:49:42 Ian Clarke wrote:
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Arne Babenhauserheidearne_...@web.de wrote:
On Thursday, 4. June 2009 20:02:13 Matthew Toseland wrote:
I vote for lighthouse. I've used Mantis, Trac, and Fogbugz, and
Lighthouse is better than all. It is
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Matthew
Toselandt...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
Why is Lighthouse better than Mantis or Trac, both of which we could get from
sourceforge? Mantis has the clear advantage that we know it. If Lighthouse
does exactly the same as Mantis and is slightly prettier,
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Ian Clarkei...@locut.us wrote:
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Matthew
Toselandt...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
On Thursday 04 June 2009 17:08:22 Ian Clarke wrote:
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Matthew Toseland
t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
What bug
On Thursday 04 June 2009 19:01:47 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Thursday 04 June 2009 15:51:31 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > Essentially the problems are:
> >
> > 1. Hosting the static web site and files. This includes web hosting,
> > hosting big files, fixed redirects over SSL, etc. It may
On Thursday 04 June 2009 17:08:22 Ian Clarke wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Matthew Toseland
> wrote:
> > What bug tracker should we use? Trac? Jira? Lighthouse? Something else?
>
> I vote for lighthouse. I've used Mantis, Trac, and Fogbugz, and
> Lighthouse is better than all. It
On Thursday 04 June 2009 15:51:31 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> Essentially the problems are:
>
> 1. Hosting the static web site and files. This includes web hosting, hosting
> big files, fixed redirects over SSL, etc. It may involve moving from
> https://checksums to somewhere else, but it will
Essentially the problems are:
1. Hosting the static web site and files. This includes web hosting, hosting
big files, fixed redirects over SSL, etc. It may involve moving from
https://checksums to somewhere else, but it will still have to include SSL.
This can be solved fairly easily with
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Matthew Toseland
wrote:
> What bug tracker should we use? Trac? Jira? Lighthouse? Something else?
I vote for lighthouse. I've used Mantis, Trac, and Fogbugz, and
Lighthouse is better than all. It is simple, user friendly, doesn't
impose any particular way of
Essentially the problems are:
1. Hosting the static web site and files. This includes web hosting, hosting
big files, fixed redirects over SSL, etc. It may involve moving from
https://checksums to somewhere else, but it will still have to include SSL.
This can be solved fairly easily with
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Matthew Toseland
t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
What bug tracker should we use? Trac? Jira? Lighthouse? Something else?
I vote for lighthouse. I've used Mantis, Trac, and Fogbugz, and
Lighthouse is better than all. It is simple, user friendly, doesn't
impose
On Thursday 04 June 2009 15:51:31 Matthew Toseland wrote:
Essentially the problems are:
1. Hosting the static web site and files. This includes web hosting, hosting
big files, fixed redirects over SSL, etc. It may involve moving from
https://checksums to somewhere else, but it will still
On Thursday 04 June 2009 17:08:22 Ian Clarke wrote:
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Matthew Toseland
t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
What bug tracker should we use? Trac? Jira? Lighthouse? Something else?
I vote for lighthouse. I've used Mantis, Trac, and Fogbugz, and
Lighthouse is
On Thursday 04 June 2009 19:01:47 Matthew Toseland wrote:
On Thursday 04 June 2009 15:51:31 Matthew Toseland wrote:
Essentially the problems are:
1. Hosting the static web site and files. This includes web hosting,
hosting big files, fixed redirects over SSL, etc. It may involve moving
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Matthew
Toselandt...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
On Thursday 04 June 2009 17:08:22 Ian Clarke wrote:
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Matthew Toseland
t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
What bug tracker should we use? Trac? Jira? Lighthouse? Something else?
I
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