Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-26 Thread bruce mallon
WALT ... THINK THINK ... 100 khz wide signals are going to KILL any band you put them on and do you think anyone will look for OTHERS before fireing up a digital radio .. GEESE go on 75 and lissen to SSB they can't even handle THAT mode .. --- Walt DuBose [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-26 Thread Mark Miller
440 MHz has had a authorized bandwidth of 100 kHz for nearly 20 years. The repeaters and other operations there seem to work just fine. Just because the authorized bandwidth is 100 KHz doesn't mean that the whole band will be filled with 100 Khz signals. 73, Mark N5RFX WALT ... THINK

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-26 Thread bruce mallon
440 ALSO has NO SKIP and 8 TIMES the space NOW how are you going to work it out when 6 is OPEN world wide ? ANYONE with a half a brain knows 6 is not the place for this .. also how are you not going to interfere with repeaters on 2 meters they cover 3 out of 4 mhz of that band ?

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-26 Thread Mark Miller
Bruce, I will work it out when 6 is OPEN world wide and not interfere with repeaters on 2 meters because I will continue to follow the clause that says no amateur operator shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communication or signal . How does

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-26 Thread bruce mallon
The ARRL has no clue . and do not care . When open 6 meters is packed solid from 50.105 to 50.5 with ssb there are AM users on 50.400 and PSK-31 between 50.5 and 50.7 RIGHT NOW the band is closed but it will not be in 2 to 3 years the only open spot is between 50.7 and 51.5 above that are

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-26 Thread John Champa
-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:03:22 -0700 (PDT) The ARRL has no clue . and do not care . When open 6 meters is packed solid from 50.105 to 50.5

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-26 Thread Mark Miller
The ARRL has no clue . and do not care . I respect your opinion. When open 6 meters is packed solid from 50.105 to 50.5 with ssb there are AM users on 50.400 and PSK-31 between 50.5 and 50.7 RIGHT NOW the band is closed but it will not be in 2 to 3 years the only open spot is between

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-26 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
their mind to it. Walt/K5YFW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of list email filter Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:33 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-26 Thread Mark Miller
I think this is true in the part 90 world, but not in part 97. There really is no FCC mandate with respect to the ARS for spectral efficiency. 73, Mark N5RFX In a time period shorter than most of us realize, most of the VHF and UHF bands will be all digital. The FCC is moving all other users

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-26 Thread kv9u
This number is really quite large. I would not concur that there are 500K active hams though. Not even half of the licensed hams are really very active. And the great majority of hams are Technician class and not as concerned about anything that might affect HF, so they would not even

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-26 Thread bruce mallon
We have had PSK and RTTY and APRS users for DECADES and because they take up similar space they do not cause a problem AND they have place themselves AWAY from most other users . however you know unlike the 5 watt comments What we see on 6 is the HIGH power boys crawl out of the woodwork at

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-26 Thread Mark Miller
Bruce, We have had PSK and RTTY and APRS users for DECADES and because they take up similar space they do not cause a problem AND they have place themselves AWAY from most other users . This is what bandplanning, gentlemen's agreements, and cooperation give us. Your example shows how a 32

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-26 Thread John Champa
Guys, Here is my guess...the ARRL would NOW love to do reg by BW, but the FCC isn't buying it. They don't want to get into that level of detail in any enforcement actions. The agency may go along with it for VHF and UHF because the impact is more local, but on HF their ability to enforce (or

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-26 Thread Rodney Kraft
This, and ALL the other discussions slamming the ARRL FCC NEED to go to THIS GROUP!!! The group below was specially started for JUST SUCH discussions! [EMAIL PROTECTED] PLEASE This is NOT what this group is all about! PLEASE take it ELSE WHERE! Rod KC7CJO

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-25 Thread Danny Douglas
There are great possibilities for experimentation in ham radio. Look at all of the advancements that hams have developed over the years. Even television was developed by several ham operators. The first non-government satellite was built by amateur radio operators, etc. Today, it appears that

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-25 Thread John B. Stephensen
What you're proposing is regulation by bandwidth. Once you're in a QSO with another station it shouldn't matter what you send. The only issue is where the different band segments for the different bandwidths are located. 73, John KD6OZH - Original Message - From: n6vl To:

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-25 Thread kv9u
The FCC has been saying until recently that the narrow modes belong in the text data area, but then they recently made a big change in reinterpreting what narrow band means in order to include Pactor 3 type modes which are similar to the passband of a standard SSB signal. The change to include

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-25 Thread John B. Stephensen
The original ARRL regulation by bandwidth proposal put wide data in the same band segments with image and voice transission. Their members seem to have convinced them otherwise. Perhaps they need to hear from supporters of regulation by bandwidth. 73, John KD6OZH - Original Message

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-25 Thread Walt DuBose
Bonnie, I do think the time is right; but, I think it has been for several years. I truly believe that to just say we need more bandwidth without showing why we have not case or change to change the League's position. Show then in as simple terms as possible why more bandwidth is needed or why

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-25 Thread kv9u
Do you really feel that there is a consensus on this group to support division by bandwith? Based upon many comments, there also appears to be a significant number who are uncomfortable with that approach and who favor keeping mode types separated. And I would be surprised if the majority was

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-25 Thread Walt DuBose
But is 1471 such a large number given that there are about 500,000 active amateur radio operators in the U.S. and more than 200,000 on HF? If there were 10 times the number of responses, then the Board might listen. 73, Walt/K5YFW Dave Bernstein wrote: Re: Truthfully from what I hear from

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-25 Thread list email filter
Walt, Are there really ~500k 'active' operators, and more than 200k on HF? Or is that just licenses that haven't expired? I personally know 2 licensed 'hams' in my area that don't even know what their call signs are, let alone have any intention of ever owning or operating a radio, and they