Hi all,
regarding the issue of the Ryanair flights to Zaragoza, finally an agreement
between Ryanair and the local authorities has been reached. More or less as
expected, almost all EU flights continue, in some cases with increased
frequencies: LondonStansted, Milan Orio al Serio, Brussels
Hi,
sorry to be so pushing here, but if possible by any means, I'd like to
start voting this week, since we're really late already.
So, if nobody objects with serious concerns and a concrete (!) proposal
what to change and who (!!) does the work, I'd like to stick for 2012
with a member
Florian Effenberger wrote (06-02-12 18:09)
sorry to be so pushing here, but if possible by any means, I'd like to
start voting this week, since we're really late already.
So, if nobody objects with serious concerns and a concrete (!) proposal
what to change and who (!!) does the work, I'd like
Hi Juan, *,
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Juan Pradas juanpra...@zaragoza.es wrote:
thanks for your remarks and questions about the flight connections.
Thank you very much for the detailed response.
[...]
In your case, for example, I would probably get a flight from Munich to
Barcelona,
Hi Christian, *,
Am Samstag, 4. Februar 2012, 15:28:07 schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
Hi Andreas, *,
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Andreas Mantke ma...@gmx.de wrote:
(...)
We had a public discussion and decision of the BoD already. If there are
no unknown facts or new arguments, we
On 05/02/2012 Florian Effenberger wrote:
Jesús Corrius wrote on 2012-02-03 14:08:
We had a huge problem in the OpenOffice.org Conference 2007 in
Barcelona as more than 1000 people registered for the conference and
at the end there were no more than 250 people appeared. ...
We should have a
Hi,
Andreas Mantke wrote on 2012-02-05 13:42:
We can discuss that for the next round; maybe there are better solutions /
proposals.
My question is only, why we open up the discussion now (and not after the
voting).
The BoD had discussed the topic and decided about it in public. Everyone had
Hi Andreas, *,
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Andreas Mantke ma...@gmx.de wrote:
Am Freitag, 3. Februar 2012, 14:08:58 schrieb Jesús Corrius:
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Florian Effenberger
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
(...)
I am open for discussion, of course, but I wonder
Hi Florian,
Neither can we, nor do we intend do. The point, as stated, is that in the
last years, we had many joke votings, and we would like to find a system
where eligible people, i.e. those contributing and most likely attending the
conference, can vote.
I don't think the joking votes are
Hello Jesús,
Jesús Corrius wrote on 2012-02-03 10:54:
I don't think the joking votes are that important in this particular case.
We have two very serious proposals and I am sure we'll have a great
LibOCon 2012 wherever we hold it. The two places are not that distant
so I don't think it makes a
Hi Jesus,
Am Freitag, 3. Februar 2012, 14:08:58 schrieb Jesús Corrius:
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Florian Effenberger
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
(...)
I am open for discussion, of course, but I wonder that you seem to have a
different opinion now, since the BoD has voted on
On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 16:54 +0100, Andreas Mantke wrote:
Hi Jesus,
Am Freitag, 3. Februar 2012, 14:08:58 schrieb Jesús Corrius:
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Florian Effenberger
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
(...)
I am open for discussion, of course, but I wonder that you
I hope that the board understands that this is no longer an issue of
voting for a conference location. The we can exclude you whenever we
want message being sent to contributors is rather strong. Is this issue
important enough that it deserves this precedent?
Cheers,
Javier
On 1/26/12 1:00
Hi Javier,
Javier Sola wrote on 2012-02-03 02:07:
I hope that the board understands that this is no longer an issue of
voting for a conference location. The we can exclude you whenever we
want message being sent to contributors is rather strong. Is this issue
important enough that it deserves
Hi Florian, *,
Florian Effenberger wrote (28-01-12 22:49)
as you might have spotted, today we issued the proposals for this years'
LibreOffice Conference. Berlin and Zaragoza (in alphabetical order) have
sent in their applications and are therefore candidates for this years'
location.
Do I
Hi,
Cor Nouws wrote on 2012-01-31 16:32:
Do I remember well that we have/had the idea to choose the organisers
one year before? As to give them the opportunity to learn from the
current years organisers experience.. (Not that I think, looking at the
proposals, that experience is really lacking
Hi Florian,
Florian Effenberger wrote (31-01-12 17:52)
we have discussed that in the past, with various arguments, but in the
end decided to have the 2013 application to end in August, before this
years' conference. [...]
OK, sorry that I didn't remember that.
No need for me to open that
Hello Bruno,
thank you for starting the discussion about the proposals. Here are some
answers from the Berlin-Team:
Am 29.01.2012 01:04, schrieb Bruno Girin:
On 28/01/12 21:49, Florian Effenberger wrote:
Hello,
(...)
Questions for Berlin:
* When will you have final confirmation of the
rooms for 30-40 people.
Thanks, best regards
Juan Pradas
Original Message
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 00:04:13 +
From: Bruno Girin brunogi...@gmail.com
Reply-to: discuss@documentfoundation.org
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
On 28/01/12 21:49, Florian Effenberger wrote:
Hello,
as you might have spotted, today we issued the proposals for this
years' LibreOffice Conference. Berlin and Zaragoza (in alphabetical
order) have sent in their applications and are therefore candidates
for this years' location.
All
Robert,
Le mardi 24 janvier 2012 à 15:49 -0600, Robert Derman a écrit :
Florian Effenberger wrote:
Hi,
Olivier Hallot wrote on 2012-01-24 15:48:
Voting is a measure of traceable membership participation/activity.
Otherwise we can get spammed on untraceable votes to send us where we
Hi,
Am 25.01.2012 17:57, schrieb Florian Effenberger:
we just discussed about that in the BoD call, and agreed to only
let members vote.
Ok. So this is going to be a TDF conference. Accepted. ;-)
TDF members decide about it, others are invited as guests. Accepted. ;-)
However, even if not
Hi Stefan,
Am 25.01.2012 18:45, schrieb Stefan Weigel:
I love this freedom. :-D
I also.
Rgd
Jochen
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Hi,
Stefan Weigel wrote on 2012-01-25 18:45:
Ok. So this is going to be a TDF conference. Accepted. ;-)
TDF members decide about it, others are invited as guests. Accepted. ;-)
no, that's the wrong assumption. :) It is a conference for all
interested parties, for the large community, for
Le 2012-01-23 02:07, Florian Effenberger a écrit :
- A third option would be to send out a voting invitation to everyone
subscribe to a set of mailing lists (e.g. discuss@, announce@ and so
on), but send them a private token. That way, only active people in
the project could vote, but TDF
Marc Paré wrote (24-01-12 10:36)
This third option seems to make the most sense. As you imply, the most
active members would then be included in the vote.
I agree, but of course we say 'active people' here.
As this is a form of filtering of our mailing lists active
contributers, we could
Am 23.01.2012 08:07, schrieb Florian Effenberger:
- Where I'm a bit undetermined is the voting scheme itself
- One option is to allow every subscriber to the announce@ lists to vote
(after e-mail confirmation in the voting system itself),
- another one is to allow only TDF members to vote.
Hi,
klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2012-01-24 10:57:
First when I saw this thread I expected a BoD-vote.
I guess that would be the wrong direction. The conference is for the
communit at large, so the community should decide.
In theory, that means opening up a public link so anyone can
Hi Florian,
2012/1/23 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org:
[..]
- Where I'm a bit undetermined is the voting scheme itself
[..]
- another one is to allow only TDF members to vote. The latter one would
exclude joke votings like we have seen them in the past, but exclude many
Hi,
2012/1/24 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org:
So, I'd like to find some sensible mechanism to involve as many people as
possible, without opening the door for misuse of the voting.
Just a guess: A minimum of five postings to any of our mailinglists up
to this day?
Volker
Hi,
Volker Merschmann wrote on 2012-01-24 11:06:
- another one is to allow only TDF members to vote. The latter one would
exclude joke votings like we have seen them in the past, but exclude many
eligible people.
This is what I would prefer.
I think this would exclude a fair amount of
Florian Effenberger wrote (24-01-12 11:26)
I think this would exclude a fair amount of contributors. Many of e.g.
the code contributors are not members, but indeed do a very valueable
work. Excluding them from voting sounds wrong.
And it's not logic: the conference is not meant for members
On 1/24/12 11:04 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
Hi,
klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2012-01-24 10:57:
First when I saw this thread I expected a BoD-vote.
I guess that would be the wrong direction. The conference is for the
communit at large, so the community should decide.
In theory,
Hi,
Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2012-01-24 12:49:
Would this help any facilitating the votes?
http://doodle.com/
maybe, but I am not so keen in having so large votes on an ad-financed
platform. Maybe we can use an own survey system.
Florian
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Helli Florian
I'd still go for letting TDF members vote, why would we have the membership
then? :-)
Best,
Charles.
Le 24 janv. 2012 13:09, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org
a écrit :
Hi,
Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2012-01-24 12:49:
Would this help any facilitating the
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Em 24-01-2012 09:03, Cor Nouws escreveu:
Florian Effenberger wrote (24-01-12 11:26)
I think this would exclude a fair amount of contributors. Many of e.g.
the code contributors are not members, but indeed do a very valueable
work.
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Hi All,
Em 24-01-2012 09:03, Cor Nouws escreveu:
Florian Effenberger wrote (24-01-12 11:26)
I think this would exclude a fair amount of contributors. Many of e.g.
the code
Hi,
Am 24.01.2012 14:26, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
I'd still go for letting TDF members vote, why would we have the
membership then? :-)
Beeing committed to the project does not necessarily mean to be a
member of the TDF. The event is supposed to be a LibreOffice
Conference rather than a TDF
On 24/01/2012 12:03, Cor Nouws wrote:
Florian Effenberger wrote (24-01-12 11:26)
I think this would exclude a fair amount of contributors. Many of e.g.
the code contributors are not members, but indeed do a very valueable
work. Excluding them from voting sounds wrong.
And it's not logic: the
Hi,
Olivier Hallot wrote on 2012-01-24 15:48:
Voting is a measure of traceable membership participation/activity.
Otherwise we can get spammed on untraceable votes to send us where we
don't want LibCon to happen.
by that, we would exclude a large amount of developers, and I am sure
want to
Florian Effenberger wrote:
Hi,
Olivier Hallot wrote on 2012-01-24 15:48:
Voting is a measure of traceable membership participation/activity.
Otherwise we can get spammed on untraceable votes to send us where we
don't want LibCon to happen.
by that, we would exclude a large amount of
Hello everyone,
2012/1/23 Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org
Hi,
Am 23.01.2012 08:32, schrieb Florian Effenberger:
I just was privately contacted by a third proponent. They tell that
due to internet connectivity issues during the weekend, they were
not able to retrieve the
Hi,
Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2012-01-23 09:44:
Moreover, because we end up with two proposals, we might not even have to
vote (since we have one proposal for each year) and we only need to
prioritize them.
both proposal IMHO run for 2012, so we indeed should have a vote on who
will be the
2012/1/23 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org
Hi,
Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2012-01-23 09:44:
Moreover, because we end up with two proposals, we might not even have to
vote (since we have one proposal for each year) and we only need to
prioritize them.
both proposal
Florian Effenberger wrote:
Hello,
we have received two proposals for this years' LibreOffice Conference
- thank you very much for your applications!
My proposal for the voting process is as follows:
- I would like to make the proposals public immediately, by uploading
them to the wiki, and
Hi Florian, *,
Am 23.01.2012 08:07, schrieb Florian Effenberger:
[schnipp]
- A third option would be to send out a voting invitation to everyone
subscribe to a set of mailing lists (e.g. discuss@, announce@ and so
on), but send them a private token. That way, only active people in the
project
Hello,
Florian Effenberger wrote on 2012-01-23 08:07:
we have received two proposals for this years' LibreOffice Conference -
thank you very much for your applications!
I just was privately contacted by a third proponent. They tell that due
to internet connectivity issues during the weekend,
Hi,
Am 23.01.2012 08:32, schrieb Florian Effenberger:
I just was privately contacted by a third proponent. They tell that
due to internet connectivity issues during the weekend, they were
not able to retrieve the CfL, and thus not be able to create a
proposal in time.
Sounds a bit strange
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