Re: [IxDA Discuss] right hand vertical menus

2008-09-19 Thread nick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff) wrote: Loren is right. CSS layout allows for a lot of options here. The right side won't necessarily drop off first, if a liquid layout is used specifying widths in percentages. Here's an example of liquid layout, if you want one: http://tinyurl.com/4p8nwl Resize

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Next previous button order

2008-09-19 Thread nick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Liz) wrote: One aspect of previous and next that bears mention here is that conceptually they could be considered a pair. If the design situation calls for both regularly, it's sort of like the situation with rewind play/pause and forward wherein they're hardly even

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Interface Design Sites anyone?

2008-09-19 Thread Brett Lutchman
Good one Chris. Here's one for the Web's best. http://www.businesslogs.com/design_and_usability/the_webs_best_interface_design.php This one is very interesting. 10 Futuristic User Interfaces http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/08/17/10-futuristic-user-interfaces/ On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:59

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Interface Design Sites anyone?

2008-09-19 Thread Brett Lutchman
Awesome Tracy! Thanks all! Feel free to keep them coming. I'm sure we all can benefit from this. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe

Re: [IxDA Discuss] List problems

2008-09-19 Thread Kordian Piotr Klecha
I cannot declare right now due to lot of projects I am engaged in, but in general I think that some info about technology could increase volunteer coders number ;]. Is IxDA coded in pure PHP, some PHP framework or maybe in Perl, Python or RoR? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Interface Design Sites anyone?

2008-09-19 Thread Kordian Piotr Klecha
http://www.designbygrid.com/ web only and a bit more design than interface, but still some great sites there. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=33118

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Interface Design Sites anyone?

2008-09-19 Thread Tim Wright
There's always the opposite: http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com Tim On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:18 AM, Brett Lutchman [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hey gang, does anybody know of any good sites that host best interface design images or sites? I'm not talking about best sites in general, but a location

Re: [IxDA Discuss] right hand vertical menus

2008-09-19 Thread Tim Wright
The research I've read seems quite explicit: people don't tend to look at things on the right :) (things are sidebars, adds, and other things like that...) Tim On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Chris Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do people have any opinions on these? i know left hand is

Re: [IxDA Discuss] List problems

2008-09-19 Thread Chris Blow
I've been a member for more than a year and I've only commented a few times because of the wackiness. The fact that the website and the list are out of sync is akin to having someone moving your furniture around when you're not looking. Disconcerting. I never feel 100% certain I know what's going

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Needs-based paginated wizard

2008-09-19 Thread Tim Wright
I'd take that motivation up a level! User goal: to make a movie about their daughter's 5th birthday and not feel stupid when doing it :) Need: upload and edit movies on computer Technological requirement: lots of RAM, fast and big HD, good graphics card. Tim On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 4:02 AM,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] List problems

2008-09-19 Thread Kordian Piotr Klecha
...#4 our list administrators moderate the first two posts from each new subscriber - but I cannot post without waiting for moderation yet, after writing four or five posts. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Next previous button order

2008-09-19 Thread Tamlyn Rhodes
Wow, I never expected my question to spark such an intense discussion but I've been reading all the replies with great interest. As regards context, I was deliberately a bit vague because I was looking for general rules rather than a solution to a specific situation but we are currently designing

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Interface Design Sites anyone?

2008-09-19 Thread Alexander Baxevanis
http://konigi.com/ It's a great site with a tagging system so you can look for specific examples e.g. http://konigi.com/interface/tags/faceted-navigation Enjoy, Alex On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Brett Lutchman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey gang, does anybody know of any good sites that

Re: [IxDA Discuss] right hand vertical menus

2008-09-19 Thread Chris Wright
thanks for the input everyone. i think i'm going to move it back to left.. i don't have any great reason for it being right, bar than doing something different.. and i don't think thats a good enough reason alone to break with something that works.. though i totally agree that without

[IxDA Discuss] Intranet Interface Design Screenshots?

2008-09-19 Thread Hugo Neves da Silva
Hi everybody I'm working on an intranet project. Does anybody can point me any sites with screenshots of intranets with good interfaces? Thanks HugoNS Web Consultant // Lisbon Lab http://blog.lisbonlab.com Welcome to the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Intranet Interface Design Screenshots?

2008-09-19 Thread Steve Baty
Hugo, Take a look at Steptwo.com.au and look through to the section on their Intranet Innovation Awards. Lots of good info there. Steve 2008/9/19 Hugo Neves da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi everybody I'm working on an intranet project. Does anybody can point me any sites with screenshots of

Re: [IxDA Discuss] List problems

2008-09-19 Thread David Malouf
Kordian, only the first post gets moderated. That's a features of Mailman. second it is coded in PHP, but maybe Jeff can explain more. The out of sync nature of the list is really only relevant if you are using email w/ web. But if you use RSS with web you never experience it. YOu also don't

Re: [IxDA Discuss] right hand vertical menus

2008-09-19 Thread Sachin Ghodke
I can agree to certain extent that browser window sizes are issues when right menus are concerned. But looking at the trend a lot of companies are opting to look different and it is this vision that prompts them to change in the way we perceive or interpret user experience. Most of the browsers

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Next previous button order (long)

2008-09-19 Thread Caroline Jarrett
Nick wrote: As an aside, I'm sending this from my web-based version of home email (it gets complicated). I fill in a text field to write this, then if I go bottom left, the most obvious button is actually 'inbox', which loses my inputs. I've done that more than once. So why am I looking to

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Next previous button order

2008-09-19 Thread Anders Ljung
I was personally a bit confused when i installed Firefox 3 and used the Find feature for the first time. The widget order is: Find: (? search string) [Next] [Previous] This broke my mental model of the direction in the document. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Next previous button order

2008-09-19 Thread Todd Zaki Warfel
On Sep 19, 2008, at 6:07 AM, Tamlyn Rhodes wrote: I didn't go straight for this solution is LukeW Etre's eye- tracking study which showed that a form works best when the primary action is on the left, aligned with the form fields. That's also just one study, which contradicts years of HCI

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Next previous button order

2008-09-19 Thread Bryan Minihan
I can't help but think in pictures, so I mocked up two more or less efficient ways that both perspectives could work well, here: http://tinyurl.com/3k2d92 Obviously, they're 5 minute mockups, but perhaps it might help clarify the two different views. In the first case, it would seem pretty

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Next previous button order

2008-09-19 Thread Jack Leon Moffett
Brian, But wouldn't this layout work better than any of those three? http://gallery.me.com/jackmoffett#100025 On Sep 19, 2008, at 1:50 AM, Bryan Minihan wrote: In the first case, it would seem pretty silly to put the Previous button to the left of Next, while in cases 2 and 3, Previous

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Next previous button order

2008-09-19 Thread Bryan Minihan
Jack, Yeah, that's probably the design I would wind up with, myself =] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=32945 Welcome to the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Interface Design Sites anyone?

2008-09-19 Thread Brendan
Smiley Cat has a gallery of just well done elements of web sites: http://www.smileycat.com/design_elements/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=33118

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The New Facebook Redesign: The Beginning of The End?

2008-09-19 Thread Oleh Kovalchuke
The primary goal is getting concerned with the lives of others. Listen to McLuhan opinion on global village (AKA Facebook) at 15 minutes in this TED talk on rivalry between TV and computers. http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/peter_hirshberg_on_tv_and_the_web.html I call this primary goal

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Next previous button order (long)

2008-09-19 Thread Kordian Piotr Klecha
Caroline, great explanation; I've got only one doubt - your thesis assumes that users in every moment see only one thing they are just looking at. They notice button when they look directly on button. I have the impression that - at least more advanced - users notice distinctive, characteristic

[IxDA Discuss] password strength usability studies?

2008-09-19 Thread Meredith Noble
Does anyone know of any studies that weigh various password strength requirements (e.g. minimum 8 characters, one capital letter, one number of symbol) with users' ability to remember the passwords? Or, on a more practical level, reports that track password strength requirements vs. increased

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Search Box Guidelines

2008-09-19 Thread Christina Wodtke
From my time at Yahoo (admittedly 2003-2005) working with search quantifiably, we found that a big box improves visibility (i.e. more queries) but doesn't improve number of words in query (despite an old Neilson book suggestion). Adding type in the box reduces usage (you know, the type search here

Re: [IxDA Discuss] password strength usability studies?

2008-09-19 Thread mark schraad
Hi Meredith, There is a lot of information in the area. In the 70's IBM did a lot of research on this (as well as others). It mostly came out of IT and human factors publications. I would imagine that in the era of homeland security this is getting some additional funding. When I worked in this

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The New Facebook Redesign: The Beginning of The End?

2008-09-19 Thread David Malouf
I'm sorry, but the cynicism is quite startling here. Can't it just be as simple as 'ambient intimacy'? It's a different model than Twitter or Plurk, but it really feels the same to me. Further, it is feature rich in a very approachable way for people like grandmas and uncles without the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] password strength usability studies?

2008-09-19 Thread Meredith Noble
When I worked in this field, we used to explain that usability and security, at the extremes were two opposite ends of a continuum. Adding to one nearly always compromised the other. I know it is a bit simplistic, but it works as a quick explaination. Thanks, Mark. I am quite familiar with

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Next previous button order

2008-09-19 Thread Nick Gassman
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:07:12 +0100, Tamlyn wrote: I like Oleh's suggestion of showing a summary of previous choices with an option to edit each. That's something we do elsewhere on the site and it seems to work. I think that speaks to what I think is a generally accepted principle of user

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Next previous button order

2008-09-19 Thread Nick Gassman
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:50:23, Bryan wrote: I can't help but think in pictures, so I mocked up two more or less efficient ways that both perspectives could work well, here: http://tinyurl.com/3k2d92 Bryan, that's great. It's been pointed out more than once that we're discussing the issues

Re: [IxDA Discuss] password strength usability studies?

2008-09-19 Thread mark schraad
Well, the reality of the stringent password policy issue is that people will find lazy workarounds unless they are invested in the liability. Meaning... if it is their credit card that will be used, they 'may' be concerned and motivated. I did quite a bit of ethnography on this and collected a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] List problems

2008-09-19 Thread Jeff Howard
Dave wrote: Kordian, only the first post gets moderated. That's a features of Mailman. second it is coded in PHP, but maybe Jeff can explain more. All new members are moderated by default, and as I understand it they remain that way until an administrator manually turns off that setting in

[IxDA Discuss] How to post a new topic

2008-09-19 Thread Nathan Philpot
How do you post or start a new topic to the discussion. thanks Nathan Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Next previous button order

2008-09-19 Thread Santiago Bustelo
Bryan: going to mockups was such a brilliant move! Talking and talking and talking about design, art, or any craft, should be left to critics - i.e., failed designers / artists / craftsmen. My suggestion: http://icograma.com/qd/next-prev-100026.gif -- Santiago Bustelo // icograma Buenos

Re: [IxDA Discuss] password strength usability studies?

2008-09-19 Thread Katie Albers
Okay, this isn't strictly speaking about password usability...but it's an issue that concerns me. It's my belief that this represents the usability end of the continuum. My bank (yes, that's right...my *bank*) uses a method that they swear is extremely difficult to hack (in fact, the switched

Re: [IxDA Discuss] password strength usability studies?

2008-09-19 Thread Meredith Noble
Brett brings up another possibility - has anyone ever implemented passphrases or graphical passwords on their websites? I've never seen them on the web (only in non-web applications, like passphrases for WEP keys). I'm curious if there are any downsides to passphrases in particular. I don't think

Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to post a new topic

2008-09-19 Thread Shaun Bergmann
I think you just found out. :) On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Nathan Philpot [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: How do you post or start a new topic to the discussion. thanks Nathan Welcome to the Interaction Design Association

Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to post a new topic

2008-09-19 Thread Matthew Nish-Lapidus
I think you just did it. Matt. On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Nathan Philpot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you post or start a new topic to the discussion. thanks Nathan Welcome to the Interaction Design Association

Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to post a new topic

2008-09-19 Thread David Malouf
Send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]? Yes, we KNOW, it makes sense to do it through the web but there were interaction and technical issues during the design phase that led us to this temporary decision of not having it directly in the Web interface. -- dave . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

[IxDA Discuss] How do post a new discussion on the ixda.org

2008-09-19 Thread Nathan Philpot
Sorry about that, what I meant was, How do post a new discussion on the ixda.org. If it turns out that I can't, here it is. I know of a recruiter in Austin, TX looking of IxDs. Anybody interested let me know and I can't pass you the info. thanks Nathan On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:49 PM, Matthew

Re: [IxDA Discuss] right hand vertical menus

2008-09-19 Thread Nick Gassman
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:51:58, Sachin wrote: Most of the browsers are viewed with maximized windows and with options of adding a tab within the browser window the users by default would maximize the windows. This will not allow the right hand side menus to go out of the browser windows. Moreover

Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to post a new topic

2008-09-19 Thread Chris Pall�
Actually, what happens if we respond to a digest version from client? Can we jump into a conversation we receive as a digest directly from our email client or do we need to come to the site? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org

Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to post a new topic

2008-09-19 Thread David Malouf
hitting reply to a digest email will do a few things: 1. you will get the right address, no worries. 2. it will quote your entire digest ... usually considered bad form and against the guidelines 3. it will keep the subject line the digest heading info ... against the guidelines Options: 1. do

Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to post a new topic

2008-09-19 Thread Jeff Howard
Dave wrote: hitting reply to a digest email will do a few things: This isn't right. Please don't reply directly to digest e-mails; you'll get the wrong address and your reply won't make it to the discussion list. The new thread digests come from a separate digest address, specifically to