Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-09-04 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi Marco, a bit late in the thread... but i left this email to reply in my inbox... and then just slipped. Marco Cawthorne wrote: Hello list, I just wanted to represent myself here and my colleagues at Vera Visions, L.L.C. that work with GNUstep daily because our internal applications rely

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-30 Thread Gregory Casamento
Oh and also... >From a RECENT (i.e. two weeks ago) XIB file created with the LATEST version of Xcode somehow, I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU when you say that Apple has abandoned the Cocoa name given that is still being used prominently in the Development tools and is still mentioned in the

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-30 Thread Gregory Casamento
Just adding a bit of food for thought here regarding the use of the term "Cocoa". BTW, I didn't know that, in the last message, somehow my comments ended up in a color that was the same as the background. That was not on purpose. Stupid Gmail... Anyway... here is a NON retired document in

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-28 Thread Gregory Casamento
Hey Marco On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 19:04 Marco Cawthorne wrote: > On 2023-07-28 11:25:28 -0700 Gregory Casamento > wrote: > > Hello list, I just wanted to represent myself here and my colleagues > at Vera Visions, L.L.C. that work with GNUstep daily because > our internal applications rely on

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-28 Thread Marco Cawthorne
On 2023-07-28 11:25:28 -0700 Gregory Casamento wrote: Hello list, I just wanted to represent myself here and my colleagues at Vera Visions, L.L.C. that work with GNUstep daily because our internal applications rely on it. GSDE is a great and exciting project. Someone I know and myself have

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-28 Thread Svetlana Tkachenko
There already is http://www.aiei.ch/gnustep/ -- Svetlana

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-28 Thread Gregory Casamento
Liam, I won't respond point by point because I agree with most of what you're saying. There has been, for the last 3-5 years a real need for GNUstep to start a "reference distribution". I think it was discussed here on the list more than once. The issue has not been the desire to create one,

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-28 Thread Liam Proven
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 at 03:04, Gregory Casamento wrote: > Which part? Also, who do you believe reads your articles? It is important > to play to both parts of the audience. Developers, while not the majority, > are extremely important because without them you can't create the engagement >

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-24 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, On 2023-07-21 11:55:10 + Xavier wrote: Greg, So let's move on and do something about this. IMHO GnuStep need an updated website at first, because current one looks old for young devs (even if we like it), it certainly doesn't help to think that GnuStep is MacOs Api -- I

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-24 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, OpenStep not NeXTSTEP :) :) On 2023-07-10 13:49:16 + Liam Proven wrote: We've gone around the NeXTstep-vs-MacOS thing before. I don't know if you remember. *In this case*, no, I have to disagree. GSDE seems to me to very clearly and definitely be trying to recreate NeXTstep, *not*

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-22 Thread Gregory Casamento
Liam, On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 7:02 AM Liam Proven wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 at 08:27, Gregory Casamento > wrote: > > > > Yes, visually, GSDE is trying to look like OPENSTEP/NeXTSTEP. But, in > your article when you refer to GNUstep tries to recreate NeXTSTEP... that > statement ENTIRELY

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-22 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 at 08:27, Gregory Casamento wrote: > > Yes, visually, GSDE is trying to look like OPENSTEP/NeXTSTEP. But, in your > article when you refer to GNUstep tries to recreate NeXTSTEP... that > statement ENTIRELY belies the fact that we have implemented all of OPENSTEP > and are

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-21 Thread Gregory Casamento
Xavier, On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 07:56 Xavier wrote: > Greg, > So let's move on and do something about this. IMHO GnuStep need an updated > website at first, because current one looks old for young devs (even if we > like it), it certainly doesn't help to think that GnuStep is MacOs Api -- I >

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-21 Thread Xavier
Greg, So let's move on and do something about this. IMHO GnuStep need an updated website at first, because current one looks old for young devs (even if we like it), it certainly doesn't help to think that GnuStep is MacOs Api -- I volunteer to work on this. There is tons of new projects

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-21 Thread Gregory Casamento
Liam, On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 9:49 AM Liam Proven wrote: > On Fri, 7 Jul 2023 at 17:51, Gregory Casamento > wrote: > > > > I am really happy to see this article. I only have one bit of > feedback... > > > > "GNUstep has been around since the 1990s, and has re-implemented a > substantial

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-20 Thread Xavier
Le 10 juillet 2023 15:43:45 GMT+02:00, Liam Proven a écrit : >On Fri, 7 Jul 2023 at 11:37, Xavier Brochard wrote >Does that help? Yes, thanks! It help a lot. I dont want to write something too enthusiastic and far from peoples expectations as there is kind of desktop "standard" now.

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-10 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, 7 Jul 2023 at 17:51, Gregory Casamento wrote: > > I am really happy to see this article. I only have one bit of feedback... > > "GNUstep has been around since the 1990s, and has re-implemented a > substantial amount of NeXTstep, completely from scratch. " > > Could we please stop saying

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-10 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, 7 Jul 2023 at 11:37, Xavier Brochard wrote: > > Very nice presentation, thanks. Thank you! I am glad you liked it. > You've said in a previous paper thet there were really 2 desktop > paradigm on Linux, though many were invented. That is not really what I was getting at, no. What I

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-07 Thread Gregory Casamento
I am really happy to see this article. I only have one bit of feedback... "GNUstep has been around since the 1990s, and has re-implemented a substantial amount of NeXTstep, completely from scratch. " Could we please stop saying NEXTSTEP? This only furthers the misunderstanding that GNUstep is

Re: I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-07 Thread Xavier Brochard
Very nice presentation, thanks. I'm curently writing on NsCDE and GSDE (in french), and I have a question: You've said in a previous paper thet there were really 2 desktop paradigm on Linux, though many were invented. In this regard, how did you feel with GSDE ? was it consistent as a

I wrote about the new GSDE package on the Register

2023-07-07 Thread Liam Proven
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