Tres Seaver wrote:
You bothering the goats again, Chris? ;)
pkginfo uses the standard information generated by the 'sdist',
'develop' and 'bdist_egg' commenads, and can even introspect installed
packages on Python 2.6.x. It is documented here:
http://packages.python.org/pkginfo/
Yep, I
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:17:40AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
Floris Bruynooghe wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 07:02:53PM +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Floris Bruynooghe
floris.bruynoo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 05:14:58PM +0200, Tarek Ziadé
On 11 Sep, 2009, at 17:14, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
- os_sysname
- os_nodename
- os_release
- os_version
- os_machine
Os.uname() does have a usability issue: the various values don't have
a clear meaning, nor even a clear mapping to marketing numbers.
Examples:
* os_sysname is darwin on a
David Lyon david.l...@preisshare.net writes:
I don't know if you have checked lately but not many windows users
these days even know what a command line even is.
It's just plain unreasonable to expect windows users to resort to a
command line in this day and age.
No, I think the attitude of
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:52:22 +1000, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au
wrote:
It's just plain unreasonable to expect windows users to resort to a
command line in this day and age.
No, I think the attitude of these statements is unreasonable. I also
find it staggeringly condescending.
David Lyon david.l...@preisshare.net writes:
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:52:22 +1000, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au
wrote:
It's just plain unreasonable to expect windows users to resort to a
command line in this day and age.
No, I think the attitude of these statements is
David Lyon wrote:
Don't worry Chris, if your idea is good enough, it is going
to get forked...
Sorry, I misheard that last word, in which case I agree ;-)
Chris
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:14:23 +1000, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au
wrote:
What? to say windows users don't like command lines...
It's perfectly true. Not condescending.
I know many users of systems who “don't like” command lines. You're
going beyond that, though, and saying that it's
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:17:40 +0100, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk
wrote:
A lot of these problems would go away if we could just treat Python as
a package like every other package when it comes to dependencies.
Why is that so hard to do?
It's not hard at all.
But somebody needs to
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:34:07 -0400, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com
wrote:
An application needs to know what directory it has been installed
in and where it can find configuration files and so forth.
It appears I was unclear: it is not the application's business to
*decide* what the
At 10:26 PM 9/20/2009 -0400, David Lyon wrote:
Eh? It's *possible* to specify it in those places now, but
well-behaved packages never do.
Not on windows, outside of the c:\pythonXY directory.
Create a setup.cfg with an [install] section and you can make it
install wherever you tell it
On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:58:06 -0400, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com
wrote:
If you are saying that Python observes all microsofts
recommendations under windows and is well-behaved I think
I'd have some comments about that.
Well behaved is installing a python program to Program Files
but distutils
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Sridhar Ratnakumar
sridh...@activestate.com wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:42:24 -0700, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
What use cases do we have? There's the one described above, which lots of
people have been talking about. I think there's another one
Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote:
I may be missing some context, but I did about an hour of googling around
before responding here, and for the life of me I can't find a simple
answer
to the question: how do I currently programatically get the metadata
out of
a distribution?
Floris Bruynooghe wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 07:02:53PM +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Floris Bruynooghe
floris.bruynoo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 05:14:58PM +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
[...]
That can be dropped since we have '==' and it's all
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:42:24 -0700, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
What use cases do we have? There's the one described above, which lots
of people have been talking about. I think there's another one related
to target Python version - eg, on Python 2.3, depend on simplejson, but
on
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Chris Withers wrote:
Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote:
I may be missing some context, but I did about an hour of googling around
before responding here, and for the life of me I can't find a simple
answer
to the question: how do I currently
At 12:41 PM 9/17/2009 +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
Also, if I understand clearly the idea, I find it rather cryptic to
add conditions to each dependency
like what Sridhar has shown.
That's actually not how it would work; you simply put section
headings inside the extras_require field, rather
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 07:05:46 -0700, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:53 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
At 12:41 PM 9/17/2009 +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
Also, if I understand clearly the idea, I find it rather cryptic to
add conditions to each
Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote:
sys.platform
'linux2'
linux2? What are the possible values for `sys.platform`?
This is why I usually write Python code that checks sys.platform
like
if sys.platform.startswith(linux):
...
So the condition language for the metadata needs a startswith
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Tarek Ziadé wrote:
Imagine a command with the name foo, that has an option called
condition.
If you really want to keep the entire keyword namespace
available for use as a section sees fit, it would be better
to
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:42 AM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
What use cases do we have? There's the one described above, which lots of
people have been talking about. I think there's another one related to
target Python version - eg, on Python 2.3, depend on simplejson, but on
Python
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Greg Ewing
greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote:
sys.platform
'linux2'
linux2? What are the possible values for `sys.platform`?
This is why I usually write Python code that checks sys.platform
like
if
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:14:32 -0700, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
So if I resume, so far the uses cases are:
- the OS given by os.name and sys.platform
(linux/mac/windows/riscos/ce/ etc..)
- the architecture, given by os.uname() (32/64 bits)
- the python version, given
Tarek Ziadé wrote:
What about 'in' ?
Yes, I guess that's good enough.
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On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:14:32 -0400, P.J. Eby wrote:
Do we have anything besides dependencies that change based on the
above? If not, then we might be able to address this with the
extras syntax mechanism already present in install_requires, and we
might able to do it without even changing
At 08:10 PM 9/16/2009 -0400, David Lyon wrote:
To answer the question, things like destination directory for
applications could change ie /opt/myapp or \Program Files\myapp
for linux and windows respectively.
It's not the application's business what the installation directory
is; certainly
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:01:20 -0400, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com
wrote:
It's not the application's business what the installation directory
is;
Yes, but it very much is.
An application needs to know what directory it has been installed
in and where it can find configuration files and so
At 10:13 PM 9/16/2009 -0400, David Lyon wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:01:20 -0400, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com
wrote:
It's not the application's business what the installation directory
is;
Yes, but it very much is.
An application needs to know what directory it has been installed
in and
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Tarek Ziadé wrote:
[setup]
foo: bar
conditional-sections: one, two
Is conditional-sections: really necessary? Isn't the
presence of a conditions: line in a section enough to
mark it as conditional?
I find
Tarek Ziadé wrote:
I find having a conditional section explicitely defined better that
doing a convention on names because if someone implements
a command that uses that name (it's likely to be improbable but...)
it will break his ability to use setup.cfg to give options to his commands
I
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Greg Ewing
greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Tarek Ziadé wrote:
I find having a conditional section explicitely defined better that
doing a convention on names because if someone implements
a command that uses that name (it's likely to be improbable but...)
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Jeff Rush j...@taupro.com wrote:
Tarek Ziadé wrote:
Imagine a command with the name foo, that has an option called condition.
The setup.cfg file might look like this:
[global]
verbose: 1
[setup]
name: MyDistribution
version: 1.0
[only_windows]
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 05:14:58PM +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
Also, I've just realized that uname() is a tuple, so I need to flatten
it in strings to restrict the grammar:
- os_sysname
- os_nodename
- os_release
- os_version
- os_machine
When I asked for this I was imagening (wrongly) way
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Floris Bruynooghe
floris.bruynoo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 05:14:58PM +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
Also, I've just realized that uname() is a tuple, so I need to flatten
it in strings to restrict the grammar:
- os_sysname
- os_nodename
-
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Floris Bruynooghe
floris.bruynoo...@gmail.com wrote:
That's quite nice, +1
And is it worth to consider erroring out when you have a [setup:.*]
section without a condition: ... line?
Sure,
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On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:13:55 -0700, Glyph Lefkowitz
gl...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
So you can for example define a list of dependencies that changes wether
you are under windows or linux, etc..
OK. I've never had that situation. I'm sure someone has, but it
doesn't see common.
Twisted
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 02:00:41 -0700, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com
wrote:
[only_windows]
condition: sys_platform == 'win32'
requires: pywin32
I am ambivalent about using sys.platform. How do I specify Linux?
sys.platform
'linux2'
linux2? What are the possible values for
At 01:46 PM 9/15/2009 -0700, Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote:
Conditional metadata for Python versions does not have to be very
complicated in my opinion. Simply have the following in setup.cfg, and
thus in PKG-INFO:
install_requires = ['lxml', 'multiprocessing[pyver(2,6)]', 'argparse',
2009/9/15 Sridhar Ratnakumar sridh...@activestate.com:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 02:00:41 -0700, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com
wrote:
[only_windows]
condition: sys_platform == 'win32'
requires: pywin32
I am ambivalent about using sys.platform. How do I specify Linux?
sys.platform
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:46:59 +0100, Floris Bruynooghe
floris.bruynoo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 05:14:58PM +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
Also, I've just realized that uname() is a tuple, so I need to flatten
it in strings to restrict the grammar:
- os_sysname
- os_nodename
-
On Sep 15, 2009, at 7:52 PM, David Lyon wrote:
And imo the discussion has gone way off track..
The use case isn't abstract. All this discussion is about trying
to rewrite two lines of code.
-- setup.py --
if sys.platform == 'win32':
setup.dependencies.add('win32com','162')
On 12:09 am, sstein...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sep 15, 2009, at 7:52 PM, David Lyon wrote:
And imo the discussion has gone way off track..
The use case isn't abstract. All this discussion is about trying
to rewrite two lines of code.
-- setup.py --
if sys.platform == 'win32':
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:42:24 -, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
I don't think it's really this simple.
If it isn't, then it should be made to be that simple...
The point is to have static definition of the package information.
It would be a huge win for everybody if we could get
David Lyon kirjoitti:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:42:24 -, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
I don't think it's really this simple.
If it isn't, then it should be made to be that simple...
The point is to have static definition of the package information.
It would be a
On Sep 15, 2009, at 8:42 PM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
What use cases do we have? There's the one described above, which
lots of people have been talking about. I think there's another one
related to target Python version - eg, on Python 2.3, depend on
simplejson, but on Python
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 02:52:17AM +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree that more background and motivational information would be
very helpful, as would some real world examples. I know that 90%
(maybe 99% :) of the
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 07:02:53PM +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Floris Bruynooghe
floris.bruynoo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 05:14:58PM +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
[...]
That can be dropped since we have '==' and it's all strings.
'2.6'
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Floris Bruynooghe
floris.bruynoo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 02:52:17AM +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree that more background and motivational information would be
very
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Floris Bruynooghe
floris.bruynoo...@gmail.com wrote:
I can't think of a use case where in and == is not enough.
Version comparison would be nice though. Taking your example from
your blog post: if I where to try to install that on Python 2.4 I'd
have to edit
Hello
here's a detailed proposal for the setup.cfg format. I've included all remarks,
and tried to make the syntax as simple as possible. I've dropped the
long_description
stuff and the template language stuff. (people can do it as a
post-release process)
A/ Config file structure:
[setup]
On 02:33 pm, ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello
here's a detailed proposal for the setup.cfg format. I've included all
remarks,
and tried to make the syntax as simple as possible. I've dropped the
long_description
stuff and the template language stuff. (people can do it as a
post-release
2009/9/11 exar...@twistedmatrix.com:
On 02:33 pm, ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello
here's a detailed proposal for the setup.cfg format. I've included all
remarks,
and tried to make the syntax as simple as possible. I've dropped the
long_description
stuff and the template language
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/9/11 exar...@twistedmatrix.com:
On 02:33 pm, ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm a little skeptical about creating a new mini language (particularly one
with branching) for setup.cfg,
Me too.
but I haven't really
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/9/11 exar...@twistedmatrix.com:
On 02:33 pm, ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm a little skeptical about creating a new mini language (particularly
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 05:14:58PM +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
[...]
That can be dropped since we have '==' and it's all strings.
'2.6' '2.10'?
Although not close you must be wary of this. Bring on PEP 386 ;-)
Regards
Floris
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On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Floris Bruynooghe
floris.bruynoo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 05:14:58PM +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
[...]
That can be dropped since we have '==' and it's all strings.
'2.6' '2.10'?
Although not close you must be wary of this. Bring on PEP 386
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/9/11 exar...@twistedmatrix.com:
On 02:33 pm, ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
The second motivation is : why do I need to run some code to get the
metadata fields ?
Turning the config file into code means you'd be running code. :)
Well that's very different. You will be running a function that is
At 12:28 AM 9/12/2009 +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
The second motivation is : why do I need to run some code to get the
metadata fields ?
Turning the config file into code means you'd be running code. :)
Well that's very
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree that more background and motivational information would be
very helpful, as would some real world examples. I know that 90%
(maybe 99% :) of the packages I distribute don't adapt to their
execution context
At 02:50 AM 9/12/2009 +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
it means that we can even provide an XML-RPC service at PyPI so people
can query the metadata for their platform with zero download and zero
third-party
code execution.
Ah, now that does sound rather useful, as it would allow installation
and
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