RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Nate Duehr
On Fri, 15 May 2009 23:28:54 -0400, Woodrick, Ed ewoodr...@ed-com.com said: Easy solution, stop callsign routing. Use repeater linking instead. Problem solved. Ed WA4YIH That'd be silly. If I want to KNOW for sure the call made it to the other side, and get a RESPONSE from the network

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Nate Duehr
On Sun, 17 May 2009 09:33:33 +1000, Tony Langdon vk3...@gmail.com said: At 01:16 AM 5/17/2009, you wrote: John is right on the money here. - Tactical Call Sign SOP: A tactical call sign is entered in the 4 digit comment field after a station's legal call sign: This would seem

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Tony Langdon
At 05:22 PM 5/17/2009, you wrote: That'd be silly. If I want to KNOW for sure the call made it to the other side, and get a RESPONSE from the network that says so, the ONLY option for that is callsign routing. This is true, DPlus does not give any concrete indications that you're getting

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Tony Langdon
At 05:31 PM 5/17/2009, you wrote: And how does that work when attempting to use callsign squelch? Hmm, I'd have thought that callsign squelch would be generally an impediment to emergency operations. I know that if I was an operator on duty, I'd much rather an open channel, so I could be

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Woodrick, Ed
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:22 AM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance) On Fri, 15 May 2009 23:28:54 -0400, Woodrick, Ed ewoodr...@ed-com.commailto:ewoodrick

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Tony Langdon
At 09:33 PM 5/17/2009, you wrote: We've had the discussion many times before. Last year at Dayton, everyone was having to source route to the local repeater to talk. No one was able to have a conversation because people kept barging in because they could not hear the activity on the local

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Tony Langdon
At 09:23 AM 5/18/2009, you wrote: You said multiple country/repeater conversations aren't possible with callsign routing -- False. OK, that's one trick I would like to know, and without using multicast - because of the administrator intervention required, I consider this feature to have

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread justin Mann
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 4:53 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Woodrick, Ed
I absolutely stand by my statements. Embedded... From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:23 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance) Ed

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Nate Duehr
Tony Langdon wrote: At 09:23 AM 5/18/2009, you wrote: You said multiple country/repeater conversations aren't possible with callsign routing -- False. OK, that's one trick I would like to know, and without using multicast - because of the administrator intervention required, I

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Ray T. Mahorney
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 4:53 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance) Please TRIM your replies or set your email program not to include the original message in reply unless needed for clarity

880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-16 Thread genedathe
John is right on the money here. - Tactical Call Sign SOP: A tactical call sign is entered in the 4 digit comment field after a station's legal call sign: MY: NAØG /EOC Such tactical calls can be readily pre-programmed in the MYCALL memory of most radios. With this procedure, your

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-16 Thread Tony Langdon
At 04:31 AM 5/16/2009, you wrote: Has anyone actually tried that? I could brush up on my Novell skills from 1992. Don't see why it wouldn't work. :) Never saw a more stable fileserver in my entire IT/telco professional career as a Novell 3.11 server. :-) I certainly can't argue with that

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-16 Thread Tony Langdon
At 01:50 PM 5/16/2009, you wrote: They each have their purpose, we just need better gateway software. Agreed. If implemented right, linking and callsign routing could coexist, if the software was written to allow this mix. In addition, controls to block either would be handy for certain uses.

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-16 Thread Tony Langdon
At 01:16 AM 5/17/2009, you wrote: John is right on the money here. - Tactical Call Sign SOP: A tactical call sign is entered in the 4 digit comment field after a station's legal call sign: This would seem to be the most sensible way. 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-15 Thread Nate Duehr
On Thu, 14 May 2009 14:18:26 -0700, John Hays j...@hays.org said: Here is my thought on this. Radios should be identified by their official callsign (and optional designator character), tactical / special event callsigns can be put into the 4 char comment, on voice, or in the message

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-15 Thread Nate Duehr
On Thu, 14 May 2009 21:31:17 -, john_ke5c k...@hot.rr.com said: I don't like the idea of filtering bogus callsigns. What might be bogus to you, might be my special event's tactical callsigns. (There's nothing stopping anyone from registering SAG1, SAG1, NET, EVENT, etc.) I don't

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-15 Thread Nate Duehr
On Thu, 14 May 2009 14:33:22 -0700, John Hays j...@hays.org said: I don't the reason for it, but I suspect that it was to support DD callsign to IP mapping and was just carried over to DV. Which is silly anyway, since the DD format is Ethernet encapsulation, not IP encapsulation.

880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-15 Thread k7ve
--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr n...@... wrote: On Thu, 14 May 2009 14:18:26 -0700, John Hays j...@... said: Here is my thought on this. Radios should be identified by their official callsign (and optional designator character), tactical / special event callsigns

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-15 Thread Barry A. Wilson
did 40 years ago. Do We! From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of k7ve Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:49 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance) --- In dstar_digital

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-15 Thread Woodrick, Ed
Easy solution, stop callsign routing. Use repeater linking instead. Problem solved. Ed WA4YIH From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 2:29 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 880 vs 800

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-15 Thread Woodrick, Ed
(was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance) I think in the real world you would find that quite often a tactical callsign is in use in multiple locations. (For example, during a hurricane in the Gulf coast, multiple EOC stations may be on D-STAR at the same time.) In the dynamic design, you really

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-15 Thread John Hays
: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 2:29 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance) Case in point: D-Plus linking is great, but it wasn't

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-14 Thread JI1BQW
I am back home and playing with my 80. I believe it is the same as 880 in terms of callsign settings. Here is my findings: - A gateway callsign at RPT2 is taken away when it is in the DR mode. - In the normal VFO/memory mode, it stays there. - Kerchunking with UR=CQCQCQ RPT1=JP1YJX

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-14 Thread Evans F. Mitchell KD4EFM
Ishikawason, nei ha ma? In the US we use the RPT2 (R2) setting for those that have GPS connected to their radio, rather it be a local contact or via the gateway, for general beaconing of their position by way of D-PRS. Now with that in mind, in plain sight, one would not really care if the

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-14 Thread Evans F. Mitchell KD4EFM
Any idea when the JARL will allow you all to install D-Plus??? As far as the R2 goes, DPLUS: with R2 ON, this will tell the RP2C to pass your data stream to the gw. If you where on a dongle, you connect to a US gw, if we DO NOT have R2 enabled or ON, you will not hear our transmission. When

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-14 Thread JI1BQW
Evans, thanks for the info. DPLUS: with R2 ON, this will tell the RP2C to pass your data stream to the gw. If you where on a dongle, you connect to a US gw, if we DO NOT have R2 enabled or ON, you will not hear our transmission. When you omit R2 your data stream goes from the receiver to

FW: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-14 Thread Evans F. Mitchell KD4EFM
://www.polkemcomm.org http://www.polkemcomm.org/ _ From: Evans F. Mitchell KD4EFM [mailto:kd4e...@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:11 AM To: 'dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance) Any idea when the JARL will allow you all

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-14 Thread John Hays
@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance) Any idea when the JARL will allow you all to install D-Plus??? As far as the R2 goes, DPLUS: with R2 ON, this will tell the RP2C to pass your data stream to the gw. If you where on a dongle, you connect

880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-14 Thread kb9khm
, May 14, 2009 9:11 AM To: 'dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance) Any idea when the JARL will allow you all to install D-Plus??? As far as the R2 goes, DPLUS: with R2 ON, this will tell the RP2C to pass your data stream

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-14 Thread Evans F. Mitchell KD4EFM
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:04 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance) If the controller firmware would pass ALL TRAFFIC to the gateway the whole G port thing could go away. A smarter piece of gateway software could determine

880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-14 Thread kb9khm
%40verizon.net net] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:11 AM To: 'dstar_digital@ mailto:%27dstar_digital%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance) Any idea when the JARL will allow you all to install D-Plus??? As far as the R2 goes

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-14 Thread Nate Duehr
On Thu, 14 May 2009 15:33:29 +0900, JI1BQW ji1...@mbr.nifty.com said: (Thinking about it, this MAY NOT be considered a bug in Japan May not be. Actually I felt a bit odd when I came across some English materials on the Internet suggesting that you always program the gateway callsign

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-14 Thread Nate Duehr
On Thu, 14 May 2009 08:30:12 -0400, Evans F. Mitchell KD4EFM kd4e...@verizon.net said: Ishikawason, nei ha ma? In the US we use the RPT2 (R2) setting for those that have GPS connected to their radio, rather it be a local contact or via the gateway, for general beaconing of their position

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-14 Thread John Hays
On May 14, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Nate Duehr wrote: (FIlters at the gateway could manage who could and could not use a given gateway - and callsign pattern matching, e.g. regex, could filter out most bogus callsigns) I don't like the idea of filtering bogus callsigns. What might be bogus to

880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-14 Thread john_ke5c
I don't like the idea of filtering bogus callsigns. What might be bogus to you, might be my special event's tactical callsigns. (There's nothing stopping anyone from registering SAG1, SAG1, NET, EVENT, etc.) I don't care if this is politically incorrect or insensitive, but if you want

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-14 Thread Evans F. Mitchell KD4EFM
, May 14, 2009 5:33 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance) On May 14, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Nate Duehr wrote: Agreed. I always assumed registration was to meet regulatory requirements somewhere, but the more I thought about

880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-13 Thread Nate Duehr
On Wed, 13 May 2009 16:57:22 -0700, John Hays j...@hays.org said: Nate gave a long answer that addresses some of the variables, for a short demo of 5W at 100KM listen and see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyYhLtS-0gE If you can afford the difference between a 2200 + DSTAR board and an