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[e-gold-list] Re: DGC, OSgold, exhangers, judgements - CaveatEmptor
... I used the term DGC a bit more loosely, as it seems to be becoming a common practice, even for currencies that have no known backing and dubious backers Robert's right, it's an excellent point. The fact is DGC does not at all MEAN actual gold or 100% backed or anything like that, and as Robert says the other fact is DGC is often used to mean quasi-gold systems, OSGold, evocash or the like. DGC is no good anyway, because, who says it is or should be used as a currency? The fact is it's gold that you can transfer ownership of on a web page -- the fact that that leads to it being USED AS (sometimes) a currency, is just a benefit. I killed off the earlier GBC (remember that?) since it contains the word backed which implicitly means fractional reserve (even if it's 100% backed that;s not the same as actual gold we store for you) (For instance, a 1% backed GBC would be a GBC.) I suggested at one point using some sort of complex acronym, it was something like .. FAGWANE -- fungible actual gold [--forget these two letters--], no encumbrances Other catchy ideas are say, AGOTBI (Actual Gold, Ownership Transferable By Inernet) Then there's the gaining-in-popularity IG -- Internet Gold which is fairly direct. (It's Just gold and that's it - it's internet-type gold, but it's just gold) althogh it is not absolutely positively an explanation of the situation (like FAGWANE or maybe AGOTBI) The very point is that the ideal acronym or name (maybe internet old) should very specifically absolutely reject the notion Pay me five grams of AGOTBI at this time if anyone liked this post :-) -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
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[e-gold-list] ah yes...
that's right, FAGWANE ... fungible actual gold with agio, no encumberances. I like AGOTBI - it is, in fact, AGOTBI ! -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Who IS this sage? LOL
Craig, That's absolute, utter bull! Where on earth did you get your education? Thinking about your assertion, it doesn't even make any type of logical sense! It's a well known documented fact, that MOST ponzi/scams last less than a few months. OSGold actually traded *very* successfully for MORE than 16 months, with not a single glitch, gold backed or no. The single and only REASON why it failed was CEO Reed eventually scarpered with the bucks. OSGold, as an ecurrency, was very successful. Millions of successful transactions were completed in this time. It was the only ecurrency that actually came close to competing head to head with e-gold. Competitively, e-gold admin must have sighed a collective sigh of relief when OSGold failed. Indeed, what amazes me is that Reed was getting 50c from every spend. Potentially, he was not only sitting on a gold mine, he actually had a licence to print serious money! I wonder why he scarpered with only the few millions he stole? Obviously, he was thinking sort term gains only. It's a biblical truth that the love of money IS the root of all evil. Want to see a mans' character get displayed? Give him access to a million $$$, and watch what he does with it. Being SO wise after the event...is that any sort of wisdom at all? Now, how about ADDING to the industry, rather than bad mouthing the obvious, being that you're so wise. Graham Kelly CEO On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:39:13 -0400, Craig Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: failed. OSGold was never a DGC. It was, from the beginning, a scam -- nothing else. - GoldNow http://www.GoldNow.St Primary Customer Service +61 3 9776-4886 US Free Call 1-866-999-1717 US Fax 1-213-559-8555 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 233-7612 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 201-4015 CEO Order your GoldNow debit card today, at https://www.goldnow.st/debit_card_buy.asp --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Who IS this sage? LOL
Umm, sorry to argue with this Graham but it is you who failed to see the utter obvious link with Osgold and Osopps (where is your DD skills?) ...the firm owned by Osgold was paying 30-40% per month on clients money...loading up their osgold accounts with totally worthless digital onscreen funds - yes there were many transactions making them money but the money was all made up Graham - and the stuff that wasnt made up was ponzi funds from the osopps clients! The single and only REASON why it failed was CEO Reed eventually scarpered with the bucks. No. the reason why I would believe, was they were running into many different problems no doubt and when problems occur in these scams people want out, and when people want out the sh!t hits the fan...the US$ may be going through the same problems as OsGold :) It was the staff or the CEO of osgold who decided it was better to run with the funds before they had to pay out all the inflated osopp funds to clients. They like the US government were pumping out worthless osgold $$$ via osopps scam. It is not a cold hard rule that ponzis breakdown after months Graham, internet scams like Osopps, Stockgenration can last for years - especially when the going is good as it is easy to pumpup digital online accounts - but the difference is when people start seeing problems and decide to withdraw. the cards then start tumbling fast. Ponzis like Government social security ponzis can last for decades... OSGold, as an ecurrency, was very successful. Yes, only due to Osopps scam really. the entire website was unprofessional, the system was basic, but the greed got the better of everybody with the osopps scam. You were kept busy not for the funding of Osgold, but by people funding osgold for the purpose of making quick cash from Osopps fiasco. Competitively, e-gold admin must have sighed a collective sigh of relief when OSGold failed. That is probably why they banned it from their services - they knew these guys were scammers like most of the exchangers did. ... he actually had a licence to print serious money! They did print it. There was just nothing backing it! Being SO wise after the event...is that any sort of wisdom at all? Many wise people did not lose $50,000 to OsGold. Unfortunately you did. The writing was always on the wall with this group it just was unfortuanate you took such a big hit. -- ___ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] RE: anyone exchanging e-gold for free wires?
Yes we do...either by wire transfer (you pay the wire fee) or onto a Fidex debit card (in which case there is no fee if the transaction is more than $200) If you are cashing out weekly I'm sure it would pay you to get a debit card. http://e-fidex.com/digitalcurrency.php?l=eng All done offshore too! Nick Fidex --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Who IS this sage? LOL
It never ceases to amaze me how after all these years, Graham still has such a limited understanding of how these internet currencies and ponzi scams work! he says: : The single and only REASON why it [OSGold] failed was CEO Reed : eventually scarpered with the bucks. Can't you see Graham, there were NO BUCKS LEFT to scarper with! The ponzi scam had used up all the money... all the issued OSGold was worthless for a LONG TIME before the fiasco crumbled. The only thing that kept it alive as long as it lasted was because people were not redeeming their OSGold, but were putting it back into the ponzi... as soon as enough people decided to pull their cash out, that was the end. : OSGold, as an ecurrency, was very successful. Nonsense, as an e-currency, OSGold was an absolute disaster. As a payment mechanism to extend the life of the scam it was highly successful. Certainly, for the vast majority of the time that OSGold operated, the currency was probably almost worthless, because there was no substance behind it, the people holding OSGold simply didn't (want to) realise this. : Indeed, what amazes me is that Reed was getting 50c from every spend. : Potentially, he was not only sitting on a gold mine, he actually had a : licence to print serious money! I wonder why he scarpered with only the : few millions he stole? Obviously, he was thinking sort term gains only. Nope, again you demonstrate your lack of understanding of the situation. The money was gone on the payouts to the early winners... then reed saw the wheels were falling off and he ran... I bet he had very little money left to run with. How do you know he got away with a few million? I doubt very much whether you will understand this because I have explained this to you at least twice before. I too share Craig's wonder at your motives, do you really not understand this, or is it merely convenient to pretend? Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Who IS this sage? LOL
Certainly, for the vast majority of the time that OSGold operated, the currency was probably almost worthless, because there was no substance behind it, the people holding OSGold simply didn't (want to) realise this. exactly. Greed got the better of many. Graham, you had better lay off this post as it really does show your inability to understand the mechanics of a digital currency and also the way these scams work. Just because one says to you there currency system is great, has lots of backing (150% gold :) and is doing 1000 transactions an hour does not make this system a winner. It is very simple to create an illusion on the internet and one has to look at why the currency is busy (or even if it is) or how is it making its transactional income etc? If the system like Osgold blatently states it runs a ponzi..then run for the hills before they do. -- ___ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] ANOTHER PC sage? LOL
Sidd, Craig, others! Another wise addition to the fray...? why not? It'll be entertaining, at least! :) On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:01:54 +1200, Sidd [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It never ceases to amaze me how after all these years, Graham still has such a limited understanding of how these internet currencies and ponzi scams Thank you for the compliment... I must admit that ponzis *did* puzzle me at first... like why would anyone get into one! In any case, maybe I let you think I'm stoopid...? :) long as it lasted was because people were not redeeming their OSGold, but were putting it back into the ponzi... as soon as enough people decided to pull their cash out, that was the end. I have been speaking with the OSGold recovery lawyers now for weeks. We have another scheduled conference call on Thursday. They have indicated that they have found Reed, plus a *substantial* amount of funds! So much for that theory! : OSGold, as an ecurrency, was very successful. Nonsense, as an e-currency, OSGold was an absolute disaster. As a payment mechanism to extend the life of the scam it was highly successful. It was successful, alright, until Reed buggered off. Is this one of those South African hidden on/off trick statements? :) : Indeed, what amazes me is that Reed was getting 50c from every spend. : Potentially, he was not only sitting on a gold mine, he actually had a Nope, again you demonstrate your lack of understanding of the situation. The money was gone on the payouts to the early winners... then reed saw the wheels were falling off and he ran... I bet he had very little money left to run with. How do you know he got away with a few million? Nope, once again YOU demonstrate just how closed minded you think! Just before Reed took off, he was getting up to 30,000 pends per day @ 50c per spend. Ask one of your kids to figure it out! I doubt very much whether you will understand this because I have explained this to you at least twice before. I too share Craig's wonder at your motives, do you really not understand this, or is it merely convenient to pretend? I understand perfectly that you and your mate are dead set on your after the event thinking pattern, just to justify your closed minded experience in life. Well, duh! Good luck to you! Why not ask the hard questions, like how in heck did Reed get such a large customer base? I have it also on record that a large number of folks used OSGold... as an ecurrency! What a revelation! When you figure out the answer to the question, Pecunix will be a winner; and not a minute before. Graham Kelly CEO - GoldNow http://www.GoldNow.St Primary Customer Service +61 3 9776-4886 US Free Call 1-866-999-1717 US Fax 1-213-559-8555 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 233-7612 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 201-4015 CEO Order your GoldNow debit card today, at https://www.goldnow.st/debit_card_buy.asp --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Para Usuarios de habla hispana
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[e-gold-list] Re: Who IS this sage? LOL
At 8:25 PM +1200 6/11/03, Graham Kelly wrote: transactions were completed in this time. It was the only ecurrency that actually came close to competing head to head with e-gold. Competitively, e-gold admin must have sighed a collective sigh of relief when OSGold failed. ... As I kept saying at the time (see archives!) the sound was laughter. I have had respect for some competitors, but I never showed ANY respect for OSgold (see archives) and neither did anyone else 'round these parts. You can keep asserting it all you want, but it's never been true, Graham. Craig (Snowdog, see the archives) was REPEATEDLY doing the math on their OSopps scam -- LONG after e-gold booted you (and the other sellers of that crapola!) off their site -- to many whines (see archives). e-gold was prescient in that action, and nobody who whined has ever apologized (again, see the list archives) and/or said hey, maybe e-gold was RIGHT to distance themselves from that scam, since essentially 'OSgold' as a currency was a way to keep one Ponzi from getting slapped with a value limit. Not apologizing's ok, distorting the facts isn't. I repeat, I *NEVER* showed that scam any respect (see archives!). If another scam-currency comes along with its own Ponzi and its own Laurie Dyke to claim 150% backing or some nonsense, I'll disrespect _THEM_ next! I'm old enough at this point that I'm unlikely to change, and nobody would believe me if I tried. JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Who IS this sage? LOL
On 11 Jun 2003, at 21:01, Sidd wrote: I doubt very much whether you will understand this because I have explained this to you at least twice before. I too share Craig's wonder at your motives, do you really not understand this, or is it merely convenient to pretend? A very good question! It baffles me. How can anyone run such an apparently substantial and successful business with so little understanding? Even after all this time he still, apparently, has no idea what OSGold was all about! Best, CCS -- - Virtual Phonecards - Instant Pin by Email - - Large Selection - Great Rates- - http://speedypin.com/phonecard/start.html?af=743 - -- ** * Craig Spencer * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: DGC, OSgold, exhangers, judgements
On 11 Jun 2003, at 1:26, Robert S.Z. wrote: OSGold was never a DGC. It was, from the beginning, a scam -- nothing else. You are right that in reality it never was backed by gold, of course, although there were intial claims that it would be. It has nothing to do with whether or not there was backing. It was a just a scam. They took people's money under false pretenses for the sole purpose of stealing it. Someone who offers to sell debit cards for the purpose of taking whatever money gullible people send and keeping it is not a merchant with a low inventory; he is a thief. Best, CCS -- - Virtual Phonecards - Instant Pin by Email - - Large Selection - Great Rates- - http://speedypin.com/phonecard/start.html?af=743 - -- ** * Craig Spencer * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Waay too much spare time!
CCS, Yes, I can SEE you are baffled! Let me educate you... you are centering up on the wrong issues. Probably as a result of all that schooling you received, probably paid for by your parents. Possibly your were a straight A student? The one voted at school to most likely to succeed in life? The issues are; We had 1000's of customers using OSGold... and nobody forced them to. We had multiple 1000's orders, IN/OUT/EXCHANGE, and nobody coerced/forced, or in anyway stood over these people. The ecurrency was real (in spite of what Jim Ray claims, and that laughter he mentions he was enjoying, was a direct result of OSGold failing, no doubt!) Hey, OSGold had a dud CEO... so did Standard Reverse, in SPITE of all the good input by a part owner, e-gold. The issue is Reed scarpered with a sizeable amount of loot, and we all lost $$$. So did Elwyn Jenkins. So what! What do we learn here... ? Is the lesson to AVOID dealing in ecurrencies, altogether? Robert was on the right track... go read his post! The main point is the OSGold demand was customer driven. MANY existing ecurrency providers pending ecurrency providers have spent 1000's of hours racking their brains over this issue... HOW did he get the people turnover?. The ones that can up with the answer, They were a scam, or, they were just a ponzi, or similar, are barking up the wrong tree, but believe erroneously that they are right (is this the place to quote the bible verse, PRIDE goes before a fall?) Recently, e-gold hit records for numbers of spends per day. How many of those spends were for scams, ponzi's? Is e-gold exempt from scams, ponzis, just because they're gold backed? Gimme a break! Incidently, crazy failed BrightPay generated 21,000 customers in their first 5 weeks... e-gold took YEARS to get to the same level. BrightPay *were* on the right track. Pity about the weak CEO, had no business sense, we poured 1000's of hours trying to re-educate him in how to operate. Unfortunately, we only got access after the ship started sinking, and we nearly got it floated... The good news is that the extremely hard working customer service manager, who we had access to, took my advice... his ecurrency is just about to launch! AND ONLY existing market makers will be able to IN/OUT/EXCHANGE their ecurrency. The beauty is, all of the existing providers faults (as we are AWARE), will not be incoporated into it, and all of the positives, including Sidds Pecunix type of security, have already been added. Should be a pearler, let's wait and see. e-gold admin are learning as they are going along, just like all the rest of us. Hopefully, Jim Ray is keeping up with the learning curve, whilst stroking his Colt 45. Hey, there's not a perfect ecurrency, and there isn't a perfect market maker, (except of course the very attractive Paul in Estonia, and the lesser attractive Michael in Melbourne!). My motive is simply to run a honest business, and to protect as many of us in the industry from crooks/thieves, of ALL descriptions, including the professional ones. Heck, I even verify people for OTHER ecurrencies and market makers. As far as I know, all the verified folks haven't run off with anybodies money/gold/wives... yet! Guys, find out what the customer wants, and give it to him. We are working on this ourselves, and e-gold definately needs to work on it as well. e-gold could certainly take a lesson from OSGold re: their MM customer service reps. OUTstanding service, nice folks, and good to deal with. AND very surpised when their boss ran off with the loot. To quote you, I'm also baffled! AND I have so little understanding of people who always look at the negative! After all this time, you obviously don't understand what the customers want... or probably care. I'm sure you can even tell me which ecurrency will fail next, AND have a small book on it. Back to work... I wish I had time for sleep! Graham Kelly CEO On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:07:15 -0400, Craig Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 11 Jun 2003, at 21:01, Sidd wrote: A very good question! It baffles me. How can anyone run such an apparently substantial and successful business with so little understanding? Even after all this time he still, apparently, has no idea what OSGold was all about! Best, CCS - GoldNow http://www.GoldNow.St Primary Customer Service +61 3 9776-4886 US Free Call 1-866-999-1717 US Fax 1-213-559-8555 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 233-7612 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 201-4015 CEO Order your GoldNow debit card today, at https://www.goldnow.st/debit_card_buy.asp --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Historical (hysterical) revisionism.
At 2:09 AM +1200 6/12/03, Graham Kelly wrote: ... The issues are; We had 1000's of customers using OSGold... and nobody forced them to. We had multiple 1000's orders, IN/OUT/EXCHANGE, and nobody coerced/forced, or in anyway stood over these people. The Somebody promoted OSgold (+ their integrated scam) though, in spite of repeated warnings from a wide variety of sources. ecurrency was real (in spite of what Jim Ray claims, and that laughter he mentions he was enjoying, was a direct result of OSGold failing, no doubt!) Nah, more like predicted-egg hitting a few deserving-faces! The one issue you keep not-mentioning is e-gold's prescient warning to the community, which proved totally-correct. Think how much better the gold economy would have been without all the waste and fraud e-gold tried to help it avoid! Over a year of criminality could have easily been prevented, but wasn't. OSgold _WAS_ going to fail, it was merely a matter of time... ... well. e-gold could certainly take a lesson from OSGold re: their MM customer service reps. OUTstanding service, nice folks, and good to deal Yeah! e-gold could hire a LOT more customer-service types if they didn't have to keep all those nasty, heavy, yellow pieces of expensive-metal around! Great idea! (I hope everyone knows now why I laughed so hard back then?!?) Nobody else's gold currency inspired an office-pool on when they'd bite the dust, so I'm not sure what lessons e-gold could learn from the crooks! I think OSgold's only benefit to the community has been this kind of unintentional-humor on our list, actually, so keep it up! :^) with. AND very surpised when their boss ran off with the loot. In spite of the fact (check archives if you doubt!) that Snowdog was doing-the-math *repeatedly* on their integrated-Ponzi! I'm sure Miss Lucy Mell was shocked by Charles Ponzi running off, too! (See URL below to find out more about Mr. Ponzi.) To quote you, I'm also baffled! AND I have so little understanding of people who always look at the negative! After all this time, you... ... Filtering for obvious Ponzis and/or BS like 150% backed isn't always looking at the negative, it's being realistic with risks. I can certainly be fooled, but not THAT easily, or with so many repeated-warnings (see list archives for details). JMR -- http://www.mark-knutson.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] The bet
Hey JP, remember a year ago when I bet you 10gg that by midnight GMT on 06-Jun-2003, that we would still have no explanation from e-gold why their gold assets in reserve continue to slightly exceed the number of digital grams in circulation? Well, the assets still exceed the liabilities and we still have no explanation. http://e-gold.com/examiner.html Reserve = 1,738,952.90 gg Circulation = 1,738,717.31gg Reserve Excess = 235.59 gg At the time, my position was that this excess was of no consequence and did not matter whatsoever. You took the position that it was an unacceptable accounting practice akin to commingled funds. In any event, I maintained that e-gold would not offer any explanation regarding the nature of this excess or who owned it. From all the available evidence, it does appear that I have in fact won this bet. Thanks to my Palm Pilot for reminding me of this. -- Patrick --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Who IS this sage? LOL
From: Sidd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can't you see Graham, there were NO BUCKS LEFT to scarper with! The ponzi scam had used up all the money... all the issued OSGold was worthless for a LONG TIME before the fiasco crumbled. The only thing that kept it alive as long as it lasted was because people were not redeeming their OSGold, but were putting it back into the ponzi... as soon as enough people decided to pull their cash out, that was the end. Did OSGold actually buy back the currency? Or did the exchange providers buy OSGold from customers with the funds sent in by new OSGold buyers? OSopps could pay those returns to early investors and still have money to run with if the exchange providers were responsible for cashing in the OSGold credits that were paid out. - John --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Who IS this sage?
If e-gold had denied OSGold from having/operating e-gold accounts (as their user agreement permits them to do), OSGold could not have exchanged OSGold to e-gold (as they did for the exchange Providers for many months), and the OSGold story would have stopped right from the beginning. We were not born as an exchange provider when the OSGold experience started, but we sure exchanged a lot of OSGold to e-gold thereafter. (at customer's request) And the e-gold we were providing our customers with for their OSGold was coming ... straight from OSGold's e-gold accounts ! So, please all stop this diarrhea of hypocritical messages on that subject and each clean up your own act (or laissez faire, which is not much better) instead of playing innocent virgins on public lists Regards, Patrick, http://AnyGoldNow.com THE Exchange Provider Any Gold, Any time, Anywhere Get Fund your Cash Card Did OSGold actually buy back the currency? Or did the exchange providers buy OSGold from customers with the funds sent in by new OSGold buyers? OSopps could pay those returns to early investors and still have money to run with if the exchange providers were responsible for cashing in the OSGold credits that were paid out. - John --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Waay too much spare time!
Graham, I have to respond to this. It rubs me the wrong way. :) The issues are; We had 1000's of customers using OSGold... and nobody forced them to. We had multiple 1000's orders, IN/OUT/EXCHANGE, and nobody coerced/forced, or in anyway stood over these people. The ecurrency was real (in spite of what Jim Ray claims, and that laughter he mentions he was enjoying, was a direct result of OSGold failing, no doubt!) 1) No way. No how! There was no POSSIBLE way that OSGold was anything but a scam, because they were running OSOpps, which paid 45% return on principle every 3 months. Any and EVERY business which makes a claim like this is a SCAM -- period. 2) They claimed to be 150% backed by gold!!! There is no way, no how, that this is possible. This means that every time someone deposits $1000 into OSGold, that the owners put in $500 of their own money. What would be the point? Hey, OSGold had a dud CEO... so did Standard Reverse, in SPITE of all the good input by a part owner, e-gold. The issue is Reed scarpered with a sizeable amount of loot, and we all lost $$$. So did Elwyn Jenkins. So what! What do we learn here... ? Is the lesson to AVOID dealing in ecurrencies, altogether? 1) The Owners of OSGold were thieves, for the reasons outlined above. Plain and simple. 2) IF Elwyn Jenkins is a thief, then he is by far a less obvious one. Elwyn Jenkins may simply have been irresponsible. Same result -- different reason, and if we could determine those who will be irresponsible before they lose our money, then the better. However, there was no doubt with OSGold. The main point is the OSGold demand was customer driven. MANY existing ecurrency providers pending ecurrency providers have spent 1000's of hours racking their brains over this issue... HOW did he get the people turnover?. The ones that can up with the answer, They were a scam, or, they were just a ponzi, or similar, are barking up the wrong tree, Why are we barking up the wrong tree? They were a scam. They advertised a scam. They gave the appearance of stability. They promised 45% return on investment, every three months. What else do you think it was? Customer service?!? but believe erroneously that they are right (is this the place to quote the bible verse, PRIDE goes before a fall?) Recently, e-gold hit records for numbers of spends per day. How many of those spends were for scams, ponzi's? Is e-gold exempt from scams, ponzis, just because they're gold backed? Gimme a break! E-Gold does not run the scams. Big difference. Honest people do not steal your money, and scams do. E-Gold is trustworthy. Those running scams are not. Incidently, crazy failed BrightPay generated 21,000 customers in their first 5 weeks... e-gold took YEARS to get to the same level. BrightPay *were* on the right track. Pity about the weak CEO, had no business sense, we poured 1000's of hours trying to re-educate him in how to operate. Graham, it's not possible to run a non-repudiable e-currencies which supplies easy access to money, and you can't have a PayPal without the repudiation headaches. The two are inseparable, and they always will be. Guys, find out what the customer wants, and give it to him. We are working on this ourselves, and e-gold definately needs to work on it as well. e-gold could certainly take a lesson from OSGold re: their MM customer service reps. OUTstanding service, nice folks, and good to deal with. AND very surpised when their boss ran off with the loot. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Don't push a currency unless you have confidence in it. Take care, Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Waay too much spare time!
S 1) No way. No how! There was no POSSIBLE way that OSGold was S anything but a scam, because they were running OSOpps, which paid S 45% return on principle every 3 months. Any and EVERY business S which makes a claim like this is a SCAM -- period. You are right. So, WHY does e-gold let dozens (or maybe HUNDREDS) of e-gold accounts used for such scams ? Moreover, when I see such services like e-told, that kindly promote such programs that are of course scams, knowing that they of course use some e-gold accounts, WHY does e-gold shut their eyes ? S E-Gold does not run the scams. Big difference. Honest people do not S steal your money, and scams do. E-Gold is trustworthy. Those S running scams are not. Yes, e-gold *is* trustworthy, no doubt, I think (and I hope :-) But e-gold also allows the scams, in the same way that those who helped OSGold to withdraw their money by supplying debit cards, for example. Not more, not less. In other words... NO e-gold, NO scam. So, IMO, if Graham or anybody else should be crucified, e-gold should be too. BTW, those people that believe they can get 40% by month (I even saw once 1,000% in one month LOL) just doing nothing, NEED to learn what life is ! Stan Mariman Center www.mariman.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] CashCards Customer Service (!?!!?)
Does ANYONE at cashcards ever reply to emails? I funded the purchase of a cashcard debit card (after no one ever repled to my repeated requests for the so-called free one) 9 days ago on June 2nd. The e-gold batch number to cashcards e-gold account 274303 is 173448274. All requests for confirmation so far have been ignored i.e NADA response. Are they out of business? If not this is sure NOT the way to build a a client base. Please please if you guys at cashcards or anyone else can get this order through please do so!! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: CashCards Customer Service (!?!!?)
On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 04:00 PM, luu wong wrote: Does ANYONE at cashcards ever reply to emails? I funded the purchase of a cashcard debit card (after no one ever repled to my repeated requests for the so-called free one) 9 days ago on June 2nd. The e-gold batch number to cashcards e-gold account 274303 is 173448274. All requests for confirmation so far have been ignored i.e NADA response. Are they out of business? If not this is sure NOT the way to build a a client base. Please please if you guys at cashcards or anyone else can get this order through please do so!! I hate to say it but back on 16-May I also responded to their offer of a free debit card and haven't heard or received anything yet. A week ago I sent a gently worded email asking when I might expect to receive it, but got no response. I wasn't going to say anything publicly until 16-Jun because the ordinary practice is allow 6 to 8 weeks for delivery, but since you bring up the subject I might as well mention it. I agree Luu, this is definitely NOT the way to build a client base. -- Patrick --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: CashCards Customer Service (!?!!?)
Well if this happened to youCashcards must be a scam. Does ANYONE at cashcards ever reply to emails? I funded the purchase of a cashcard debit card (after no one ever repled to my repeated requests for the so-called free one) 9 days ago on June 2nd. The e-gold batch number to cashcards e-gold account 274303 is 173448274. All requests for confirmation so far have been ignored i.e NADA response. Are they out of business? If not this is sure NOT the way to build a a client base. Please please if you guys at cashcards or anyone else can get this order through please do so!! Privacity -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: PATRIOT act and endorsements
Robert, No, they don't accept third party checks. They must be made out to the account holder proper. If you want to fly to the USA to open up an account you can go to the US Bank, www.usbank.com, with the proper documentation and open a corporate account that will accept 3rd party checks. At least the account with them that we have allows us to deposit 3rd party checks. We used to open accounts for clients there but after 2 mergers they stopped allowing us to do so, so you'd be on your own. The fish was really tasty too! We actually limited out on Trout, Pickeral and Pike, 1 species per day of fishing, best trip to date. Wahoo! Thank you, David Gendron, [EMAIL PROTECTED] VALIS International, http://www2.valisinternational.com US Bank Accounts and US Business Presence Setup for the World my fish was --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: CashCards Customer Service (!?!!?)
Oh!! so thats two people now that haven't received their product??? Definitely a scam. On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 04:00 PM, luu wong wrote: Does ANYONE at cashcards ever reply to emails? I funded the purchase of a cashcard debit card (after no one ever repled to my repeated requests for the so-called free one) 9 days ago on June 2nd. The e-gold batch number to cashcards e-gold account 274303 is 173448274. All requests for confirmation so far have been ignored i.e NADA response. Are they out of business? If not this is sure NOT the way to build a a client base. Please please if you guys at cashcards or anyone else can get this order through please do so!! I hate to say it but back on 16-May I also responded to their offer of a free debit card and haven't heard or received anything yet. A week ago I sent a gently worded email asking when I might expect to receive it, but got no response. I wasn't going to say anything publicly until 16-Jun because the ordinary practice is allow 6 to 8 weeks for delivery, but since you bring up the subject I might as well mention it. I agree Luu, this is definitely NOT the way to build a client base. -- Patrick Privacity -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Waay too much spare time!
At 11:33 PM +0400 6/11/03, Mariman Center wrote: S 1) No way. No how! There was no POSSIBLE way that OSGold was S anything but a scam, because they were running OSOpps, which paid S 45% return on principle every 3 months. Any and EVERY business S which makes a claim like this is a SCAM -- period. You are right. So, WHY does e-gold let dozens (or maybe HUNDREDS) of e-gold accounts used for such scams ? There are full time employees who repeatedly balance-limit such accounts. Criminals are persistent. It's easy to demand zero crime, but hard to cause it. So WHAT exactly should e-gold do about this, besides what they're already doing? Moreover, when I see such services like e-told, that kindly promote Here's another issue, should they censor such people. A disagreement with their economic ideas shouldn't affect a minority's ability to use e-gold, IMO. Many people I know have minority views on a variety of economic issues. such programs that are of course scams, knowing that they of course use some e-gold accounts, WHY does e-gold shut their eyes ? They have none, all they have is a user agreement with the ability to do certain things, like value-limit accounts to stop obvious frauds. The characteristics of better money make it attractive to a wide variety of individuals, including a few greedy bad ones. e-gold, as I've repeatedly said, is not a legal system or a cop, it's just a currency. Expecting these diverse functions (such as extensive investigation) from a currency isn't logical (or even desirable, IMO). S E-Gold does not run the scams. Big difference. Honest people do not S steal your money, and scams do. E-Gold is trustworthy. Those S running scams are not. Yes, e-gold *is* trustworthy, no doubt, I think (and I hope :-) But e-gold also allows the scams, in the same way that those who helped OSGold to withdraw their money by supplying debit cards, for example. Not more, not less. In other words... NO e-gold, NO scam. What, exactly, would you do to a scam like The Gold Casino? They take all sorts of money from idiots, after all (I include Jim Ray among the idiots here). How should/can e-gold repel such crooks (or real crooks, and how does one tell the difference? I happen to think TGC is as honest as any casino) besides what they're already doing right now?? Remember, many of these couch themselves in the terminology of games, not investing. I may not like them, but perhaps they don't like TGC, either! We are free to boycott eachother! So, IMO, if Graham or anybody else should be crucified, e-gold should be too. BTW, those people that believe they can get 40% by month (I even saw once 1,000% in one month LOL) just doing nothing, NEED to learn what life is ! As I keep saying, the relatively-small returns offered by Ponzi- himself function as proof of a worrying trend toward economic illiteracy these days. JMR -- http://www.mark-knutson.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Waay too much spare time!
But e-gold also allows the scams, in the same way that those who helped OSGold to withdraw their money by supplying debit cards, for example. Not more, not less. In other words... NO e-gold, NO scam. So, IMO, if Graham or anybody else should be crucified, e-gold should be too. In all fairness, I have to admit that this is a good point. Why didn't E-Gold 'balance-limit' OSGold's account? I don't know. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: CashCards Customer Service (!?!!?)
Luu, No, Cash Cards is not out of business ! In fact, they a re way too busy processing orders ! Just get your Cash Card from us, and fund it any way you like through us as well : http://AnyGoldNow.com Regards, Patrick, http://AnyGoldNow.com THE Exchange Provider Any Gold, Any time, Anywhere Get Fund your Cash Card Does ANYONE at cashcards ever reply to emails? I funded the purchase of a cashcard debit card (after no one ever repled to my repeated requests for the so-called free one) 9 days ago on June 2nd. The e-gold batch number to cashcards e-gold account 274303 is 173448274. All requests for confirmation so far have been ignored i.e NADA response. Are they out of business? If not this is sure NOT the way to build a a client base. Please please if you guys at cashcards or anyone else can get this order through please do so!! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Graham Kelly thinks fast and dishonest is better (was: Who IS this sage? LOL)
Graham Kelly wrote: : Why not ask the hard : questions, like how in heck did Reed get such a large customer base? Why is this a hard question? The answer is obvious... offer 35% per month returns to stupid gullible people and they will jump at it... then cry like babies when they lose their money. : When you figure out the answer to the : question, Pecunix will be a winner; and not a minute before. Pecunix is already a much more successful winner than OSGold ever was... Furthermore Pecunix will never operate a ponzi scheme in order to increase the customer base Furthermore, Pecunix will actively discourage ponzi's and other criminals from using the system. e-gold started slowly, and is now big and strong... it is infinitely more successful than OSGold Goldmoney started slowly and is growing well... it is infinitely more successful than OSGold e-bullion started slowly and is going well... it is infinitely more successful than OSGold Pecunix started slowly and continues to grow well... it is infinitely more successful than OSGold. Pecunix is already growing MUCH faster than e-gold did in the beginning, this sounds like a winner to me. OSgold started fast and FAILED BrightPay started fast and FAILED Watch INTGold... started fast and there is ample evidence as to the reason for the rapid growth of INTGold. It will be interesting to see how long it lasts. Just because the ponzi(s) aren't called INTOpps doesn't mean they don't exist. Don't you believe in fairy stories Graham, never read the story of the tortoise and the hare? Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Patrick WINS the bet !!
Patrick Wins!!! I bet that e-gold would explain the mystery 250 grams -- they have not. Will they ever? I am now paying Patrick 10 grams via 1mdcGrams.. 1mdc-grams spend confirmed: 10.000 grams spent irrevokably at 2003-06-12 00:39:12. Now, what's to become of the extra 1/4 kilo ? Hey JP, remember a year ago when I bet you 10gg that by midnight GMT on 06-Jun-2003, that we would still have no explanation from e-gold why their gold assets in reserve continue to slightly exceed the number of digital grams in circulation? Well, the assets still exceed the liabilities and we still have no explanation. http://e-gold.com/examiner.html Reserve = 1,738,952.90 gg Circulation = 1,738,717.31gg Reserve Excess = 235.59 gg At the time, my position was that this excess was of no consequence and did not matter whatsoever. You took the position that it was an unacceptable accounting practice akin to commingled funds. In any event, I maintained that e-gold would not offer any explanation regarding the nature of this excess or who owned it. From all the available evidence, it does appear that I have in fact won this bet. Thanks to my Palm Pilot for reminding me of this. -- Patrick -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Patrick WINS the bet !!
On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 05:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick Wins!!! I bet that e-gold would explain the mystery 250 grams -- they have not. Will they ever? I am now paying Patrick 10 grams via 1mdcGrams.. Awesome! 1mdc-grams spend confirmed: 10.000 grams spent irrevokably at 2003-06-12 00:39:12. Phenomenal! Now, what's to become of the extra 1/4 kilo ? Seems like they could clean up the books by just issuing the extra 235.59 digital grams into a new e-gold account and deeding that account to whoever currently owns that slice of gold. Unless for some reason the owner objects to that asset being represented in the e-gold system, though I can't imagine why. That's probably because I am not a lawyer. -- Patrick Well, the assets still exceed the liabilities and we still have no explanation. http://e-gold.com/examiner.html Reserve = 1,738,952.90 gg Circulation = 1,738,717.31gg Reserve Excess = 235.59 gg --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: OSstuffing The Fifth
hear, hear! -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] INTgold (was:Re: OSstuffing The Fifth)
At 10:13 AM +1000 6/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hear, hear! ... I know! Can someone tell the list about this new INTgold thing? Is it on the level? What do they provide that existing currencies do not? Who are the principals? Who wrote the system?? There are all sorts of questions -- and it's true, the archives have the entire OSgold debacle anyway, in microscopic detail! JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: INTgold (was:Re: OSstuffing The Fifth)
I know! Can someone tell the list about this new INTgold thing? Thanks Jim :o) All I know is that we actually dealt with them a couple of months ago without realizing that they were a budding DGC (I'll stick to DGC until JP explains the implications of A becoming bi). At the time we bought some VirtuPay$ from them for a client of ours. It took them two days to fill the order, but they did come through and one can't hold the delay against them, considering that VirtuPay was never widely accepted or exchanged. Anyway, INTgold's admin asked ours if we'd exchange banners which we couldn't do because we don't have a banner page (well, that was before www.thegoldindex.com ). The current take on them seems to be that they are growing steadily, have about 25,000 accounts and 13KG in reserves - although they don't seem to say where. I like the idea of getting my cards directly from the DGC operator and the incentives they claim to offer are sales based and hence feasible. So far so good, I'd say. Time will tell. Cheers, Robert. budget privacy website hosting http://www.cyberica.net budget privacy domain registrations http://www.u2planet.com pre-emptive, anti-flame, non-endorsement notice: I didn't endorse anyone, neither did I recommend anyone. I just stated the little I know about one DGC operator after being prompted to do so. We did however, recently open an account with them simply to have one when the need arises: https://intgold.com/m/goldreserve.cgi/24842 click and make us rich! However, we have accounts with all other DGC that claim to be gold-backed, as well, and ultimately do most of our business with e-gold and 1mdc - well the parts we are not doing with credit cards, which are still substantially larger. - --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: OSstuffing The Fifth
that was the longest debate about a piece of spam I have ever heard... lol... Robert, I have often thought about such situations... we have a way to buy vehicles 6-30 at a time and flip them on the market at about 210% of the cost in 3 months or less. 30k buy in minimum, and yes we have thought about reaching into the hyip variant to arrange the funds. From our experience, we have seen a lot of hyip scams and some that payout on time. We have put up stronger pricing enforcement for such sites becasue of the people who hit and run on our servers. But I think it is risky to use that method for fundraising becasue if something did go badm your companies reputation is on the line. Is that worth the risk? Gordon www.katzglobal.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:13 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: OSstuffing The Fifth hear, hear! -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: OSstuffing The Fifth
I have often thought about such situations... we have a way to buy vehicles 6-30 at a time and flip them on the market at about 210% Hello Gordon, Thanks for bringing another example. It is actually *not* that difficult to make amazing profits overseas. And some smart people who have the connections may well be running serious and legitimate HYIPs. From our experience, we have seen a lot of hyip scams and some that payout on time. We have put up stronger pricing enforcement for such sites becasue of the people who hit and run on our servers. Well we did get burned once actually. Luckily our servers had been full and the new ones weren't ready yet. So we farmed the client out. What a stroke of luck! Must be my good Karma ;o) Turns out that the guy was a crook and we had him shut down within two weeks and informed e-gold and others. It does seem that he didn't get away with the cash either. Of course, in the end it's all in the wording of the site. If an HIP hosting customer starts his site with Don't invest more than you can afford to loose and goes on saying that high profit potential bring high risks, etc, then we might quizz him, but are likely to host him. If he explains to us that he trading tangible goods and the concepts make sense, then we will almost certainly host him. If he starts requesting URL redirects, DNS services and Crontabs, then we will almost certainly not host him - even if he offers ID, deposits etc. If it smells like fish, it rarely flies ;o) But I think it is risky to use that method for fundraising becasue if something did go badm your companies reputation is on the line. Is that worth the risk? Certainly not! Our financial services side has a investment management subsidiary and while they do like to syndicate third world micro-loans, to boost their bottom line, the main fields are low-cost housing and agriculture. As boring as it gets, I know. But steady and safe. So what about those cars? Just kidding... Cheers, Robert. budget privacy website hosting http://www.cyberica.net budget privacy domain registrations http://www.u2planet.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Waay too much spare time!
You are right. So, WHY does e-gold let dozens (or maybe HUNDREDS) of e-gold accounts used for such scams ? JMR There are full time employees who repeatedly balance-limit JMR such accounts. Criminals are persistent. It's easy to demand JMR zero crime, but hard to cause it. So WHAT exactly should JMR e-gold do about this, besides what they're already doing? What I want point is that e-gold has often some strange attitude: Putting balance limits on some accounts where people simply do not WANT to tell about their address for good reasons, and in the same way, allowing massive scams as long as scammers simply pay for a true address anywhere in the world (pay with e-gold :-) Moreover, when a new e-gold account suddenly receives hundreds of payments, from a website that is easily checkable, I think that it is EASY to detect a scam ! And I am sure that e-gold has systems to detect such things on the accounts. So, WHY doesn't e-gold simply lock any account, regarding the nature of the website ? Censorship ? No, simply the right of a commercial company to avoid beeing involvd in scams ! And what I want also show is that there are 2 different attitudes: One regarding e-gold that has all rights and one regarding the market-makers that are crucified as soon as they make the same thing than e-gold (allowing scams). Moreover, when I see such services like e-told, that kindly promote JMR Here's another issue, should they censor such people. A JMR disagreement with their economic ideas shouldn't affect a JMR minority's ability to use e-gold, IMO. Many people I know have JMR minority views on a variety of economic issues. Why don't you at e-gold put in the Directory, these wonderful investment programs ? because you have some kind of morality :) E-told simply makes his money with advertizing for scams. Moreover, when I read the e-told letter that somebody kindly sends me, when I see e-told redactors writing This program is strange, the admin stopped replying since 2 weeks...It makes me think So, this is a scam, BUT others are not, because the admin still replies! By allowing some admins to publish their results every day before they disappear, e-told is DIRECTLY involved in their scams. JMR They have none, all they have is a user agreement with the JMR ability to do certain things, like value-limit accounts to stop JMR obvious frauds. The characteristics of better money make it JMR attractive to a wide variety of individuals, including a few JMR greedy bad ones. e-gold, as I've repeatedly said, is not a JMR legal system or a cop, it's just a currency. Expecting these JMR diverse functions (such as extensive investigation) from a JMR currency isn't logical (or even desirable, IMO). IMO anyway, I think that people should be adult, and if they loose what they earned bybeeing stupid, well... That's their problem. But so, no difference of treatment should be made between e-gold that isn't a cop and market-makers that aren't cops. And who both make profits from the scammers :-) JMR What, exactly, would you do to a scam like The Gold Casino? The Gold Casino is a scam ? I don't know this Gold Casino, but I guess that it is a ..casino, right ? Casinos are games where people know that they can win and loose. As far as I know, nobody in casino promises only earnings. Morevoer, HYIPS claim to INVEST the money, despite they invest nothing, and use it for their own needs. There is treachery here too. Casinos announce some games, and users have some games. They have what they pay for. JMR Remember, many of these couch themselves in the terminology of JMR games, not investing. No, most of them claim to invest in some markets, etc. I don't speak here about lotteries or other GAMES, that are GAMES and are really not scams. Stan Mariman Center www.mariman.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
