[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-04 Thread Offshore Team
But reversible spends turn into non repudiable e-gold as soon as the chargeback period expires, so when the HYIP folds after the chargeback period is over the victims will find out that they cannot get their money back. This danger will have to be explained in user agreement (which

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-03 Thread Danny Van den Berghe
Newsflash: the greatest reversible/repudiable payment system ever on the planet, is credit cards -- Visa and MC. You very simply will never be able to improve on them. (How? Greater penetration? lol. or what? how could it be improved on?) Oh, I'll improve upon them in almost every

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-03 Thread Danny Van den Berghe
The costs are exactly double the normal e-gold fees, because two spends happen before the e-gold arrives into George's account (or back into James' account). But I would of course take a little fee for myself and make a profit here. Who will handle disputes if there is a chargeback?

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-03 Thread James M. Ray
At 7:13 PM -0500 6/1/03, Offshore Team wrote: Imagine say 3-10 people being the jury for repudiation payments each earning a % of the fee charged for the outcome - ... I can't imagine a number of things about your scenario, such as how you'd pay jurors so little and have any, but I *can*

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-03 Thread Offshore Team
I can't imagine a number of things about your scenario, such as how you'd pay jurors so little and have any, but I *can* imagine both trying to seed your juries with my allies and/or bribe them. Many of you are very charming, because you're so honest. I *try* to be charming, but life forces

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-03 Thread Frank Mottley
If e-gold can get away without having any reversal options then this system could most certainly state the decison of the jury is final. A NON-repudial juror system for your repudial e-gold, justified by the fact that e-gold is non-repudial, a feature which you think is bad ... very interesting.

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-03 Thread Offshore Team
If e-gold can get away without having any reversal options then this system could most certainly state the decison of the jury is final. Umm, Danny never said this. I did, so you shouldnt start yellen at him for that... A NON-repudial juror system for your repudial e-gold, justified by the

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-03 Thread James M. Ray
At 4:35 PM -0500 6/2/03, Offshore Team wrote: ... I agree repudiable is best for many, but how many people (I guess in the tens of thousands) have been scammed within e-gold from people who closed up shop eg games and HYIP's. These are a prime market for repudiable... Is that why there are so

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-03 Thread Katz Global Media
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[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-03 Thread Offshore Team
- Original Message - From: James M. Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:56:18 -0400 To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Most online HYIP scams are made WITHIN e-gold not credit cards (credit cards are repudiable thus the scammers running the show cannot get away with

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-03 Thread James M. Ray
At 6:22 PM -0500 6/2/03, Offshore Team wrote: ... Most online HYIP scams are made WITHIN e-gold not credit cards (credit cards are repudiable thus the scammers running the show cannot get away with funds most of the time ) This is my point (though your term within is totally-inaccurate). I

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-03 Thread Offshore Team
I agree with you, but still believe that the users themselves would feel more comfortable with repduaited currencies when playing these games would they not - and merchants /game owners would pick up on this? Does Paypal and Visa operate with Csinos anymore??? NO. this market is prime for

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-03 Thread Danny Van den Berghe
If e-gold can get away without having any reversal options then this system could most certainly state the decison of the jury is final. A NON-repudial juror system for your repudial e-gold, justified by the fact that e-gold is non-repudial, a feature which you think is bad ... very

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-03 Thread Danny Van den Berghe
Afraid that the market will tell you exactly what I (and I suspect several others) think it will; i.e. nobody wants this bafflingly complicated crap service because one of the main reasons they use e-gold in the first place is it's non-repudiability? Umm, I believe it will not be a

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-02 Thread jrw
And let just talk the bare bones system how a repudiable spend is going to happen with e-gold! James has won an auction bid for this vintage Caddilac that George is offering on Ebay. ... hi danny, i think you describe a 3rd party e-gold escrow system perfectly well! the community needs

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-02 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
On Sunday, June 1, 2003, at 10:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... in your example, no one ever denies making a payment - i.e. there is no repudiation. it is an escrow system, that in fact relies on the underlying *non-reputability* of the payment system being used. if you change your wording to

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-02 Thread Danny Van den Berghe
i think you describe a 3rd party e-gold escrow system perfectly well! the community needs such a system - go for it! (or get escrow.com to accept e-gold as one of their payment mechanisms.) however, when you repudiate an online payment you deny making it. by repudiating a payment you attest

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-02 Thread Sidd
: Would it not be simple to make all repudiable payments go into : a trust account only, or possibly even the users account only but : without the power to exchange to others at all until cleared? : Seems easy enough. Why even make the payment then? The recipient has no access to the funds until

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-02 Thread Cambist.net
From: Danny Van den Berghe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:51:37 +0300 To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system) The costs are exactly double the normal e-gold fees, because two spends happen

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-02 Thread Offshore Team
the decison of the jury is final. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:59:05 +1000 To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system) So who handles the disputes for chargebacks

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-02 Thread Offshore Team
So who handles the disputes for chargebacks? You will have to have an employee. - John Indeed. You'll need an employee for the help desk, too. Not at all. Read my last message - users can become involved by being classed as an indepenadant anonymous judge/jury, They earn an income and

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-01 Thread Sidd
Danny, Your repudigold cannot work without credit... For example, if I charge back a merchant for a credit card payment I have made, the bank takes the money away from the merchant. If the merchant does not have any money in his account at the time, the bank creates a negative balance, and as

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-01 Thread Offshore Team
Now with your repudigold, what happens if I am a clever merchant, and I set up my site so that every payment I receive through the sci is immediately paid to another account. Now you as a distressed customer come to charge back and find there are never any funds available. Would it not be

[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)

2003-06-01 Thread Danny Van den Berghe
Not-confusing e-gold customers matters VITALLY to me, though. They come from a world which has been overrun for decades with fiat money and weird ideas about what money really is, and this new experience is already confusing-enough for them, so please, for me, let's call the new, separate