Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-04 Thread mikefurrey
). -- From: Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 5:28 PM To: 'Reflector Elecraft' elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners An interesting point I noticed modeling a 43 foot vertical was that, while on 10 meters

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-03 Thread Matt Moller
Definitely a loaded question. No pun intended. I don't have any experience with 43 ft verticals myself but have heard a lot about them and have been thinking about building one. I too would like to learn more. Matt Moller KG6KSL K3 #3496 On 9/2/2013 4:10 PM, Jim Brown wrote: 43 ft verticals

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-03 Thread Richard Neese
most people I have heard running a 23 or 32 ot 43 foot vertical all use a 4:1 and a 1:1 inline... I hvae also been reading articals where a 5.1 rf coil is used. -- R.Neese KB3VGW __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-03 Thread Phil Debbie Salas
Dave WX7G wrote an article that may be of interest: www.eham.net/articles/21272 I also have some info in the “Presentations” section of my website at www.ad5x.com. As Jim says, if you use good quality coax over reasonable distances (I use 1/2” heliax over a 60-ft run), SWR-related losses are

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-03 Thread John Oppenheimer
On 09/03/2013 06:29 AM, Phil Debbie Salas wrote: I also have some info in the “Presentations” section of my website at www.ad5x.com. Phil's The 43-Foot Vertical presentation is very well written and contains a wealth of good information. Phil references a 10 Ohm ground. Using the information

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-03 Thread Jim Brown
On 9/2/2013 11:18 PM, Matt Moller wrote: I don't have any experience with 43 ft verticals myself but have heard a lot about them and have been thinking about building one. I too would like to learn more. The reason for my post asking for experience with this antenna and the Elecraft tuner is

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-03 Thread mikefurrey
-- From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:10 PM To: Reflector Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners 43 ft verticals have become a popular antenna, and while they have some strong

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-03 Thread Jim Brown
Thanks Mike. Your observations about radiation angle and performance are in good agreement with my modeling. Yes, the secret sauce is that 43 ft is 5/8 on 20M. 73, Jim K9YC On 9/3/2013 11:17 AM, mikefur...@att.net wrote: Hi Jim, I use exactly that here in Tampa. My antenna is a stealth 43'

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-03 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
An interesting point I noticed modeling a 43 foot vertical was that, while on 10 meters the main lobe is up around 50 degrees, the gain at low angles is similar to a 1/4 wave ground plane antenna cut for 10 meters. That's because the longer antenna has significant gain over a 1/4 wave antenna so

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-03 Thread Jim Brown
YES! You've hit the nail beautifully on the head, Ron. I just finished preparing slides comparing a 43 ft ground-mounted vertical with a good radial system on 20M, 15M, and 10M with a classic ground plane at 30 ft and vertical dipole with a base at 30 ft for those bands.Looking at performance

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-03 Thread Lewis Phelps
This has been an excellent discussion on the 43 foot vertical. I have one installed in my back yard (DX Engineering). Very happy with it overall. It's been an excellent performer on 20 meters, and good on other bands; I'm a casual DX-er, but have worked 5 continents SSB with the 12 watt output

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-03 Thread Fred Jensen
On 9/3/2013 5:23 PM, Jim Brown wrote: The practical problem with sticking a ground plane on your roof is that it needs at least two radials per band, but there are several multiband antennas for those bands configured as vertical dipoles that work well without radials. That's the basis of my

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-03 Thread Jim Brown
On 9/3/2013 7:30 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: With the KPA500 at 500W, on 40m, I get a lot of RF from the GAP screwing up things like the WinKey, the laptop, and various other digital gadgets. The first thing I would do is put a serious ferrite choke on the coax at the antenna. If that doesn't

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-03 Thread Charlie T, K3ICH
...@audiosystemsgroup.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners On 9/3/2013 7:30 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: With the KPA500 at 500W, on 40m, I get a lot of RF from the GAP screwing up things like the WinKey

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-03 Thread EricJ
to tangles. 73, Charlie k3ICH - Original Message - From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners On 9/3/2013 7:30 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: With the KPA500 at 500W

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-03 Thread Don Wilhelm
I use paralleled dipoles here, and I have limited the number of bands on a single feedline to 3 bands, so I have one for 20, 15, and 10 meters, and another for 30, 17, and 12. The wires are spaced about 1 foot apart with PVC spreaders. Tuning them is a bit of a challenge, but if one tunes

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-03 Thread Jim Brown
On 9/3/2013 9:16 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: I use paralleled dipoles here, and I have limited the number of bands on a single feedline to 3 bands, so I have one for 20, 15, and 10 meters, and another for 30, 17, and 12. The wires are spaced about 1 foot apart with PVC spreaders. I like fan

[Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-02 Thread Jim Brown
43 ft verticals have become a popular antenna, and while they have some strong points, they present a very high SWR on most bands, so they require a serious tuner to get them to load. I'd like to know of any stations using a 43 Ft vertical as a multi-band antenna using nothing but an Elecraft

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-02 Thread Philip Townsend Lontz
Good question... I would like to know too. A wise man once said nothing On Sep 2, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote: 43 ft verticals have become a popular antenna, and while they have some strong points, they present a very high SWR on most bands, so they

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-02 Thread Barry LaZar
I know this isn't an answer to the basic premise of the raised question, but let me throw this out. 1. 43 ft. verticals that are ground mounted require a large, good ground system. 2. Depending on the band you are operating, the assumption of a high VSWR is correct. 3. High VSWRs on coax are

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-02 Thread Don Wilhelm
One can feed the 43 foot vertical with ladder line, and do the tuning in the shack (yes, you can feed a vertical with balanced line), but if feeding with coax, the best place for the matching network is at the base of the antenna. Coax is good for an swr of 2.0 or less (depending on the

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-02 Thread gosier
with great success along with many stateside contests. 73 George Osier , N2JNZ -Original Message- From: Jim Brown Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:10 PM To: Reflector Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners 43 ft verticals have become a popular antenna

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-02 Thread Barry LaZar
. 73 George Osier , N2JNZ -Original Message- From: Jim Brown Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:10 PM To: Reflector Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners 43 ft verticals have become a popular antenna, and while they have some strong points, they present

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-02 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry LaZar Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 4:32 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners I know this isn't

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-02 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:04 PM To: 'Barry LaZar'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners Barry, Number 1 is true if, and only if, the antenna is used below 14 MHz. It's all a matter of feed

Re: [Elecraft] 43 Ft Vertical and Elecraft Tuners

2013-09-02 Thread george fritkin
Don#x27;t worry about remoteing the tuner, but ditch the RG8X and use RG8 with the least loss you can find. George,W6GF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: