Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for May 3rd 4th, 2009

2009-05-04 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
I could copy Tom on 20, but couldn't break the pileup trying to check in. He might have answered my AC, but there were so many tail enders on top of his replies that I couldn't tell. He was about QSA4. From here it sounded more like a single-frequency DX pileup than a net, Hi! The phone rang

Re: [Elecraft] Saving K2 VFO modes

2009-05-04 Thread David Woolley (E.L)
wayne burdick wrote: Even though the code is well-documented, I'd want to create theory-of-ops and maintenance documentation before I tried to hand it off to another programmer. This is often necessary for projects where you don't have the luxury of writing everything in an encapsulated,

Re: [Elecraft] Shortwave filters for K3

2009-05-04 Thread David Windisch
Bill, in AM, try tuning 1-2 KHz higher or lower than carrier frequency. Works for me (more highs) cuz I have only a 2.8 KHz filter for other-than-cw modes. 73 Dave W8FGX Guys, Just got done assembling my second K3 and this one has a 13 Khz SNIP -- View this message in context:

[Elecraft] [K3] K3 wonder if list

2009-05-04 Thread David Windisch
I wonder if two K3s could be interconnected so as to get two front-panels-full of first and second rcvr controls. Maybe much more. You know, sorta like the old Drake R4/T4X twins I occasionally miss a little, or that homebrew transceiving adapter for the 2B and HT32 which I don't miss at all,

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - SWR Indication

2009-05-04 Thread Phil Debbie Salas
Take any SWR meter and insert it at different locations along the length of the feeder and you will get different readings. Other than SWR reduction due to cable loss, the SWR meter should read the same SWR regardless of where it is on the coax. Picture the constant SWR circles on a Smith

[Elecraft] K3 Output

2009-05-04 Thread Ric Porter
After 5 months use my K3 has developed an output problem. The output varies on tune or key down. If it is set on 100 watts, say on 20 meters, the out put will start at 65 watts. It then goes up to 110 and settles at 100 watts. All this is in a span of about two seconds. It does the same at five

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Output

2009-05-04 Thread Ian Maude
Ric Porter wrote: After 5 months use my K3 has developed an output problem. The output varies on tune or key down. If it is set on 100 watts, say on 20 meters, the out put will start at 65 watts. It then goes up to 110 and settles at 100 watts. All this is in a span of about two seconds. It

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - SWR Indication

2009-05-04 Thread Steve Ellington
Phil I agree concerning the swr being the same anywhere on the line but that's not what I said. I said you will get different readings. Now I'm sure there's plenty of reasons why we get these different readings and it's likely due to the meter design but the fact remains. One thing I've learned

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - SWR Indication

2009-05-04 Thread Geoffrey Downs
- Original Message - From: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com It appears that your coax does not exactly match the impedance of your dipole (It rarely does) - Thank you Steve for your comments. I fully accept about a probable mismatch between

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - SWR Indication

2009-05-04 Thread Terry Schieler
Geoff, I experience the same issues between my factory aligned K3/100 (#474) and my LP-100A (aligned by Larry at Telepost, Inc). Firmware 3.11 here as well. Terry, W0FM -Original Message- From: Geoffrey Downs [mailto:geoff...@downs.globalnet.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:12 PM

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread Steve Ellington
Oliver I guess Elecraft will have to answer this one. Let us know what they say. Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com - Original Message - From: orbarrett hoosa...@hotmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:39 AM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal

[Elecraft] Send me some noise !

2009-05-04 Thread pd0psb
Hi All, You may have noticed the K3 SSB RX audio/noise-character discussion some days ago. I got a lot of very interesting feedback on this,also in direct mails, and some people thought it would be interesting to compare different brands/models in their SSB RX audio/noise character. If you have

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - SWR Indication

2009-05-04 Thread Paul Christensen
Other than SWR reduction due to cable loss, the SWR meter should read the same SWR regardless of where it is on the coax. Some reasons for changes in indicated VSWR as measured at different points along the line: 1) Line loss. As line loss increases, VSWR will show a better reading closer

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - SWR Indication

2009-05-04 Thread Steve Ellington
Geoff Try putting a 50 ohm dummy load in line and see if the K3 and your ext. meters read the same swr. This will take reactance and inbalance out of the picture. Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com - Original Message - From: Geoffrey Downs geoff...@downs.globalnet.co.uk To:

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread WILLIS COOKE
I have had some similar observations on ten meters. After reading your report I am inclined to agree with you. I have a station about 5 miles away who I contact on a regular basis on 10 meters, both SSB and CW. He is usually very distorted here and I have not been able to understand because

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread Steve Ellington
I wonder if this could be caused by the TR switching diodes? Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com - Original Message - From: WILLIS COOKE wrco...@flash.net To: orbarrett hoosa...@hotmail.com; Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread David Gilbert
I don't think front end overload is your problem. I've had S9 + 45db signals sound perfectly fine on my K3 with no audio distortion and no off-frequency artifacts at all. I use the least amount of AGC possible ... AGC THR = 008 and AGC SLP = 000. The only way I've ever experienced audio

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - SWR Indication

2009-05-04 Thread Geoffrey Downs
- Original Message - From: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com Geoff Try putting a 50 ohm dummy load in line and see if the K3 and your ext. meters read the same swr. This will take reactance and inbalance out of the picture. Thanks Steve. I did try that and with a 50 ohm dummy

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread Jim Brown
On Sun, 3 May 2009 21:39:55 -0700 (PDT), orbarrett wrote: I was joined while ragchewing with some friends on 5371.5 by two other friends locally, one operating HF mobile from the same driveway and another operating from a base rig in the shack (using a backyard dipole antenna). When either of

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Output

2009-05-04 Thread Erik N Basilier
I have never noticed slow variations in output during normal operations on my K3. However, the other day I installed the external ALC mod. During the testing step I connected and disconnected a 9 V battery with a series resistor. It took a couple of seconds for the K3 output to change. Seems

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread Mike Harris
G'day, I have a neighbour, VP8LP only 300 metres away. If I drop onto his frequency when he transmits the S-meter doesn't have enough digits to display. Only when my beam is pointing at him do I notice anything untoward on the audio. This goes away as soon as I switch on the attenuator or

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread Steve Ellington
This Duhing is entirely unfair. Didn't you read what he said? The author stated that he had the pre-amp off, RF gain at minimum, NB off, NR off and ATTN turned on. What more could he do to eliminate the overload? Without looking, I believe the MDS of the K3 and the FT-817 are probably similar

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread Jim Brown
On Mon, 4 May 2009 13:36:18 -0400, Randy Downs wrote: I see distortion with a 40 over signal. 35 to 40 over seems to be when I see it. Preamp on. So turn the preamp off! Preamps are for weak signals on the higher HF bands. Preamps should NEVER be used below 20 meters, and rarely on 20M.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - SWR Indication

2009-05-04 Thread Robert Friess
Hello Geoff, Which bands were you making the comparison on? Bob, N6CM On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Geoffrey Downs geoff...@downs.globalnet.co.uk wrote: - Original Message - From: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com Geoff Try putting a 50 ohm dummy load in line and see if the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread Mike Harris
Hi, Just been looking through my archives. I remembered that there was a simple mod to the K2 to overcome audio distortion in an extreme overload environment, I installed it on my K2 and it was totally immune to co-channel audio distortion when my very near neighbour VP8LP transmitted: K2 -

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread Jim Brown
On Mon, 4 May 2009 14:12:09 -0400, Randy Downs wrote: It's on 10 meters. Should I not run 10 meters? Of course not. Just don't be surprised when several volts of on- frequency RF causes overload. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread Don Wilhelm
Mike, That mod to the K2 (which has been incorporated into the new K2s) is simply a limiter. If the signal level at the input to the IF amplifier ever increases to the point where the diodes clip the signal, then distortion will occur. The clippping distortion may not be noticed on CW, but it

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread WILLIS COOKE
Why are we throwing stones? The K-3 is different than other transceivers that we have used. In the heat of a contest or chasing DX one does not always immediately make sense of what is happening. Sharing some observations about characteristics of Elecraft products along with ways of dealing

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread wayne burdick
I haven't ever experienced a problem with strong on-channel overload with the K3. But it's possible that you're hitting it with so much power that you're putting one or more RX stages into saturation, possibly including the I.F. amp. (In an extreme case, you could even be exceeding the useful

[Elecraft] shift/width - hi/lo cut

2009-05-04 Thread tom wylie
Is there a way to vary the rate of change which seems to be set at 10Hz? I'd like it to be 5Hz for PSK. Some of the stations are too close together to sort them out. Having said that - I'm by no means an expert at PSK Tom GM4FDM __

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread Paul Christensen
(In an extreme case, you could even be exceeding the useful range of the TR switch PIN diodes. The FT817, if I'm not mistaken, uses a TR relay.) Some scratch-paper calculations in a 50-ohm system: Assuming it really is the T/R PIN diodes, they would conduct at just under one volt. In a

[Elecraft] My Attitude

2009-05-04 Thread Jim Brown
Crew, Some feel that my posts are sometimes harshly worded. Perhaps they are. But it seems to me that someone with a General Class ham license, and especilly someone with an Extra Class ticket, ought to have spent some time studying something more than the Study Guide to pass the exam. This

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread Mike Harris
Hi Don, Quote The two diodes limit the signal to 1.4 V peak-to-peak. Even when the diodes are conducting, i.e. when the signal is so strong that it looks like a square wave at pin 4, there is no audible signal distortion. This is because the MC1350 is followed by a second crystal filter which

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread Randy Downs
40 over is several volts? I thought it was around 5 mili volts. That's what I am talking about. I've seen this distortion in signals since several fw revisions ago. If I get time tonight I'll reload some earlier rev's. Randy K8RDD - Original Message - From: Jim Brown

Re: [Elecraft] My Attitude

2009-05-04 Thread Randy Downs
Or maybe you don't listen very well. I said nothing about a several volt signal. I'm talking about 40 over s9. Maybe I should have explained it better to the group. No the nb is not on as this will cause distortion depending upon the blanking level. (IF) blanking. I expected that some would

[Elecraft] [K2] NB question re: pulse noise problem here

2009-05-04 Thread Ron Greene
On the 40M band only I'm getting an S7 pulse noise during much of the day making 40M nearly unusable. Most nights I don't hear it but last night it was just as bad as during the day. The pulse's are approx. 30hz and short in duration. My antenna is a vertical (my only option here). I would

Re: [Elecraft] [K2] NB question re: pulse noise problem here

2009-05-04 Thread Bob Tellefsen
Ron It's a very inexpensive option. I'd try it. I have it in both my K2s and it works just fine on some noises and not on others. Even the K3 has this problem though. Good luck and 73 Bob N6WG - Original Message - From: Ron Greene rgte...@roadrunner.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread kd4d
Good day: I can't help myself. :-) The usual definition of an S9 signal is 50 uVolts, or -73 dBm (assuming a 50 Ohm load). The S-Meter unit is a 6 dB change in VOLTAGE, not power. To get one VOLT, we need 2000 times 50 uVolts, or S9 + about 86dB (86 dB over S9). 40 over is about 5 mVolts...

Re: [Elecraft] My Attitude

2009-05-04 Thread Jim Brown
On Mon, 4 May 2009 16:55:02 -0400, Randy Downs wrote: Or maybe you don't listen very well. Possible. But I sure thought I read that the overload was occuring on another mobile parked in the same driveway and the signal from a dipole used by another station in whose driveway they were parked.

[Elecraft] ECN Report: The Rest of the Story

2009-05-04 Thread Kevin Rock
Good Afternoon, I now have the previously unlisted QNIs. I will fill in the slots as I go. Added entries have been indented for your convenience. On to the list = On 14050 kHz at 2300z: NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820QNI #65!!! K4JPN - Steve - GA - K2 - 1422 AB9V - Mike - IN - K3 -

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread Jim Brown
On Mon, 4 May 2009 21:10:46 + (UTC), k...@comcast.net wrote: Now, let's hope I managed to get this right. :-) Nothing wrong with your math. The likely error is in assuming that ANY S-meter is accurate at the extremes of its range. All the S- meters I've seen compress both at the top and

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread Wes Stewart
--- On Mon, 5/4/09, k...@comcast.net k...@comcast.net wrote: From: k...@comcast.net k...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload? To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 3:10 PM Good day: I can't help myself. :-) The usual

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Output

2009-05-04 Thread Ken Roberson
I also have found that the K3 ALC response time appears too slow to be useful. Maybe it can be fixed in Firmware. I going to disable it until it is fixed. 73 Ken K5DNL --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Erik N Basilier ebasil...@cox.net wrote: From: Erik N

[Elecraft] One more main body posting test

2009-05-04 Thread af4lb
I hope this will be the last test of my e-mail problem. Thanks for bearing with me on this. 73 Dan af4lb __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on-channel strong signal overload?

2009-05-04 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU
Jim, I have some questions. DUH! Why are you surprised by this? You had the K3 set for maximum sensitivity and then hit it with a 100 watt transmitter. OF COURSE it's going to overload! I don't think this is follows naturally. Doesn't the automatic gain control (AGC) do the same thing as

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - SWR Indication

2009-05-04 Thread Don Wilhelm
Geoff, That test at 50 ohms substantiates that the wattmeters are properly balanced for a 50 ohm system, and nothing more - read on if you are interested in more skepticism. Contrary to several statements made, it is quite possible that *all* those wattmeters can be wrong when reporting SWR