Joe Subich, W4TV-4 wrote:
The one instance that would justify an Elecraft power supply
is if they would produce a 48/60 Volt 200 W replacement for
the KPA-3. I'd go for a higher power output and matching
supply in a New York minute.
The higher voltage amplifier would significantly
My P3 finally arrived yesterday after walking all the way from
California (I guess that's the breaks for living in Albany, NYUPS
from the west coast is over a week).
Anyway, it went together flawlessly, as expected. Maybe about an
hour. I had to shuffle some equipment around, move my K2
Actually, you will probably LOSE a couple of db by switching on both
preamp and attenuator compared to having both switched off. (Measure
your MDS and compare results if you don't believe...)
Regarding weak signals, one factor that is overlooked is the ATU. By
switching it to bypass you can gain
If Elecraft could come up with a replacement for the KPA3 delivering 100-200W
with 40dB IMD performance, I would buy one in an instant. Forget about the
power supply, that's a commodity.
AB2TC - Knut
Julian, G4ILO wrote:
snip
Could 200W be done within the K3 form factor (and without the
Why do you think you gain in MDS (presumably you mean a *lower* MDS) by
bypassing the ATU? If the ATU is needed for transmit, it will also be
benficial in receive. I don't have the K3 ATU, but both manual and automatic
tuners in my antenna system and can certainly certify that when switching in
Actually, you will probably LOSE a couple of db by switching on both
preamp and attenuator compared to having both switched off. (Measure
your MDS and compare results if you don't believe...)
MDS, like dynamic range, can go either direction with changes in gain. It is
possible to have a gain
The above arrived in Austin yesterday.
Truly amazing how much better it works with the other end of the RS232 cable
also plugged in to the K3.grin.
Great addition to station here.
73,
Dick, K5AND
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Bob Cunnings wrote:
With the P3, when I move the marker and tap the SELECT knob to QSY to
the frequency of some CW signal, rarely end up at zero-beat, often at
least 100-200 Hz away, sometimes more.
While I agree with the need for a better zero-beat QSY function (I'm spoiled
by
With the P3, when I move the marker and tap the SELECT knob to QSY to
the frequency of some CW signal, rarely end up at zero-beat, often at
least 100-200 Hz away, sometimes more.
A snap to signal menu function (with AFC centering) like that provided by
some software programs would be useful.
For those who miss the ability of some transceivers to
store/recall multiple frequencies on the current band,
here is a quick set of macros that will allow M1 - M4
to be used to save/recall up to four frequency/mode
settings in a single key function. Hold M1 - M4 stores
the settings, Tap M1 - M4
As Tom said.
The cause of the signal gain when using a tuner is really a matter of
having a badly matched situation without the tuner.
In the old days (with manual tuners!), it was easy to demonstrate how a
mismatched load seen by the RX degrades signal.
Just start with random tuner settings.
You are right about the ATU. It was my mistake comparing the ATU-ON
which had been tuned at other than 50 ohm load compared to the
ATU-OFF.
As for PRE+ATT, I just measured MDS with the PRE and ATT settings
either both on or both off. Having both PRE and ATT switched on gives
2 db poorer MDS
Yes, Ref Cal has been performed on both K3 and P3. The issue is ergonomic.
It's a matter of how accurately I can place the marker in the wider
spans, especially when I need to move quickly. My near vision isn't so
great, and the pixels on the display are tiny. At, say, a span of 50
kHz each pixel
Bob Cunnings wrote:
Yes, Ref Cal has been performed on both K3 and P3. The issue is ergonomic.
Another thing I do is to align the Spectrum MKR with the Waterfall (no MKR).
The Center Line in the Spectrum Display interferes with the signal and MKR
so it's easier to align if you use Split
I must be missing something, or I must not have something turned on. If I TAP
DISP I can use VFO B to access the date or time. Tapping DISP does not
alternate the time and date on my K3 as it should according to a previous
posting. Firmware 4.05 is installed. What am I doing wrong? Roy
Roy,
Tapping DISP will alternate between VFO B freq and other info. The 'other info'
is determined by rotating VFO B knob.
Robert N9EF
On Aug 11, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Roy Morris wrote:
I must be missing something, or I must not have something turned on. If I
TAP DISP I can use VFO B to
Tapping display does not cause the display to alternate between date and
time. It simply turns whatever you have selected on/off. The only to
change from time to date is to use VFO B knob.
73,
Ken K3IU
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On 8/11/2010 11:17 AM, Roy Morris wrote:
I must be missing
Roy,
To learn the whole story read the manual page 36.
Tapping DISP does not alternate - rotating the VFO B knob does.
73,
Don W3FPR
Roy Morris wrote:
I must be missing something, or I must not have something turned on. If I
TAP DISP I can use VFO B to access the date or time. Tapping DISP
I've easily downloaded the P3 rev A3 manual, and can read it fine in
Adobe Reader, Adobe Acrobat, and two Acrobat 'emulator' programs. Is
anyone else having a problem PRINTING the manual? Regardless of
which program I use, printing seems to stop in the early to mid-20's
pages. The same
I'm the one who made the posting about tapping
DISP and alternating between date and time.
I went through the operation step-by-step as
I typed my posting, but now I can't repeat it. (;-)
I'm puzzled ...
73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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It printed out alright here on my old XP machine with an even older all in
one HP printer, hi. It's nice to have the color photos too, so was worth
the printout to me.
73,
Don, WB5HAK
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The K3 ATU is not removed from the circuit when it is set to bypass. It is set
to
compensate for stray reactance in traces, etc. so that the SWR will be close to
1:1 for a
true 50 ohm load.
So any variations in MDS are not caused by losses inherent in the tuner.
On 8/11/2010 6:34 AM, Tom
Anyone looking to upgrade your K2 - I have for sale on eBay a K160RX kit. The
bids starts at $12.00 plus flat rate shipping.
Dave Little, AF5U
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K2/100 Transceiver, s/n 5020
KAT100-1 100W Tuner)
KSB2 SSB Option
KNB2 Noise Blanker
KAF2 Audio Filter Clock option
K160RX 160 Meter Option
K60XV 60M Transverter Interface
FDIMP Finger Dimple
MD2 Elecraft Desk Mic)
PTT Foot Switch
Power and interconnect
It prints end-to-end just fine here (and for the factory) Gene. Something's
weird!
Of course you should be able to print a second run starting from the page
where it stopped to the end to complete the hard copy.
Ron AC7AC
-Original Message-
I've easily downloaded the P3 rev A3
Can you really do much better than +/- 100-200 Hz using a 50 kHz span?
That requires a marker placement accuracy of +/- 2 pixels, a 4 pixel
window, which is less than 1% of the width of the display (4/480 =
0.25%). If so, I must concede that you're a much better marksman than
I am!
The idea is to
I found out I had the same problem here, compounded by bad ears.
Solution: Use the MKR A to get to the high side of the freq,
Then on the K3 - hit the Spot function. Of course the K3 must be set up for
Auto Spot.
Works like a charm.
de K2GN - Larry - http://k2gn.com
K3 S/N - 3278P3 S/N - 51
Thanks to those who attempted to address my P3 manual print
problems. I had been trying to print in a booklet format (2 pages
per sheet, duplex), having done that for other manuals including the
K3 manual (same day) and this one just wouldn't work that
way. However, I am able to print it
Actually, after you posted that on the reflector last night I went back to the
P3 and I put my span at 50KHz and I did a BUNCH of QSY to and from the zero
beat of a signal. I was generally able to park myself within about 10Hz of
the Center. A quick push of the SPOT button brought me right
For those on the reflector that have endured the various products from
Microsoft over the years and decades, and for those too young to remember,
during the time when it seemed that Microsoft was releasing a product update
and/or patch almost every week bugs and glitches in a given product
I find it to be much better in some circumstances. I find that the noise floor
is actually reduced, not brought up by the 2dB that would be expected. This is
very similar to when I adjust the RF Gain down to about 3 o'clock. Yet it
works much faster because I can simply push the button on
Ken, it's simple, you had your K3 tuned to 8.010.10 Mhz when you were looking
at the clock on the Display menu... Hi hi. That or you have a Magic K3???
From: k...@rfwave.net
To: d...@w3fpr.com; w4...@carolina.rr.com
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:38:07 +
CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
It is really not fair to compare oneself to Bill (W4ZV). He is really
good at, well, everything.
I sent him a geography quiz once, and he blew it away. Then there was
the how much audio delta can you discern and I think he had some
crazy results, like 4hz. Not to mention the first Novice Class
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Bob Cunnings [via Elecraft]
ml-node+5413008-376189874-210...@n2.nabble.comml-node%2b5413008-376189874-210...@n2.nabble.com
wrote:
The idea is to make life easier when cruising around the band when
using a *wide* span. Earlier today I opened it up to 70 kHz
That's right, Ron. But I like 13.8 VDC rigs, mainly for portabilty
reasons...
My FT-1000MP (though a wonderful rig) was a chore to switch over 230
VAC/13.8 VDC.
But many modern rigs also have (built-in) PSUs for specific voltages:
FT-1000 MkV
and even the new FT-5000. But for 200 W? Just 3 dB
Good advice, I'll try enabling Peak and see if I can line the marker
up better that way.
Bob NW8L
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:04 AM, The Smiths notforc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Actually, after you posted that on the reflector last night I went back to
the P3 and I put my span at 50KHz and I did a
Larry - K2GN wrote:
Solution: Use the MKR A to get to the high side of the freq,
This is key and I had forgotten because it had become second nature. Since
the MKR trace is 2 pixels wide, it cannot be placed exactly on a 1 pixel
wide signal. Apparently Alan chose to set it this way
Wow. Better hand-eye coordination I guess.
Yes, I would prefer that the marker be only 1 pixel wide also.
An auto-spot-on-QSY feature would be sufficient for CW use I suppose.
I'll just try harder in the interim. I did receive a postcard recently
from my optometrist, reminding me that I was due
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Larry - K2GN wrote:
Solution: Use the MKR A to get to the high side of the freq,
And if you want to completely automate it from the P3, write
a macro that turns on the K3 auto tune (tap CWT) then taps Spot
and turns off auto tune (tap CWT). Store that to one of the
P3 Function buttons
Will Elecraft provide (soon) a well-integrated adaptor interface kit for the
K2 ?
73, Heinz
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With the text this time:
I would like to use the K3 with a VLF-LF converter that converts from
10-500 kHz up to 3.5-4.0 MHz.
In order to be able to see the correct frequency selected on the K3
display, i.e. 10-500 kHz, I was thinking to connect the converter to the
XVTR IN (receive only)
The Smiths wrote:
Because the accuracy of the display readout when doing the CENTER
alignment is short by 2 digits, it causes the centering of the P3 to be
within only 100Hz of the actual center. It is imperative to the CW guys
that the extra 2 digits be displayed on the Top center read
Just received my P3 shipping notice. Order date was 4/15 at 2:15 PM EST. Roy
Morris W4WFB
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This may have already been discussed as I am a little bit behind in my P3
reading. However, can a K3 macro trigger the execution of a P3 macro (and,
visa-versa)?
73, phil, K7PEH
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Would it be legal to include an image of the K3 PCB on a QSL card or would I
need express permission to do so? If I need permission, can Wayne or Eric
chime in?
I'm preparing artwork for a new QSL card and would like to include a photo of
my K3 with the top off...
Thanks
Gary
I just wanted to say THANKS, YOU ARE GREAT! to all the Elecraft people who put
up the kits.
I have built a few kits now, and everything was always there (and some extras).
The assembly manuals are very good, the kit designs are excellent.
And the performance - wow -
I really want to make
You can run a K3 macro from the P3 ... however until the P3
Programmer's Manual is available it's difficult to write any
macros that contain P3 commands to find out if P3 commands
can be included in macros located in the K3.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 8/11/2010 3:10 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
This
Oof. Having the attenuator and preamp on at the same time is completely
nonsensical. The gain of the preamp is ~11 dB and the loss of the attenuator
is ~10dB so they almost completely cancel each other out gainwise. But *all*
the noise from the preamp will be added, so your noise floor will be
Actually its my work to design and get products through these types of
regulations so I tend to like to know how these different rules work
and how people cope with them. If its not your thing great that's why
there are people like me.
~Brett (N7MG)
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Tim Tucker
The FCC loves to question the logical and pass others. I have applied for and
gotten more than a few experimental licenses that let me do things the FCC
would otherwise reject
Go figure.
Mel
--- On Wed, 8/11/10, Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com wrote:
From: Brett Howard
So it is possible to put K3 macros on the P3 function keys?
I did ask about that here, but no reply. Where in the manual does it explain
about that please?
PS - My P3 should arrive tomorrow, details when I get them.
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
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The lame man who keeps the right road outstrips the
Will there be a version for the Mac?
On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:42 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
The K3 Frequency Memory Editor has now been formally released. See:
http://www.elecraft.com/K3/FreqMemEdit/K3_Freq_Mem_Editor.htm
Thanks to Dick Dievendorff for all his hard work!
Agreed!!! The preamp creates the amplification of incoming noise. Adding an
attenuator after the preamp makes little sense.
I do not use the preamp unless the noise floor is low. I use the ATT when
the noise is high without the Preamp. Really helps pull sigs in. Forget
the S meter readings
Hi, I am ready to apply 12v for the first time to my new K3. Should I have a
inline fuse on the DC to the K3? and if so what amp.
Just don't look right not to have a fuse inline.
Thanks
Chris W7CTH
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:)
David, W4SMT
--- On Wed, 8/11/10, Ramon Tristani kp...@me.com wrote:
Will there be a version for the Mac?
On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:42 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
wrote:
The K3 Frequency Memory
So it is possible to put K3 macros on the P3 function keys?
Yes, that was straight from Eric on this list some months ago
when discussing the P3 after it was shown - in Orlando I think.
Unfortunately the P3 manual does not provide any information
on storing macros and the P3 Programmers
This is an upcoming P3 feature that will show up in a future f/w release.
73, Eric
On 8/11/2010 5:27 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
So it is possible to put K3 macros on the P3 function keys?
Yes, that was straight from Eric on this list some months ago
when discussing the P3 after it was
Currently, only P3 menu functions can be assigned to the function keys,
however including K3 macros is an obvious enhancement. The main issue
is the user interface - what should be the key press sequence to tell
the P3 which K3 key you want to assign? This could be done by adding
the feature to
On 8/11/2010 6:32 PM, Chris Hembree wrote:
Hi, I am ready to apply 12v for the first time to my new K3. Should I have a
inline fuse on the DC to the K3? and if so what amp.
Just don't look right not to have a fuse inline.
Thanks
Chris W7CTH
The main issue is the user interface - what should be the key press
sequence to tell the P3 which K3 key you want to assign? This could
be done by adding the feature to P3 Utility, but I'd like to figure
out a way to do it without a computer connected.
Other than a limited number of
I'd recommend if you want to add a K3 menu item that you'd enter the
menu and then press the P3 button that you want to assign. Just like
you'd press M1-M4 or PF1/PF2. I think the P3 should feel like its got
no disconnection between it and the K3. It should feel as if it would
be 100% natural
I have for sale 1 Elecraft K3/100 serial #168 with the following options
Elecraft MH2 hand microphone
KFL 3A-250 CW Filter
KFL3A-2.1 SSB Filter
Radio works great with no issues. There are 2 minor scratches on the top
of the rig but that's it. Reason for selling is long term unemployment.
Bill,
I'm going to try to be as least condescending as I can. Please forgive me if I
go astray. I tend to get very snippety when I'm being treated as if I'm
dumb...
Before you can even begin to set the Ref-Cal on the P3 you must FIRST know that
the center line on the P3 is actually the
The center follows the K3 you can tell where it is based on the fact
that there is a K3 next to you. So long as you've got the two synced
and don't have a center offset in you know where the center is.
~Brett (N7MG)
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:19 PM, The Smiths notforc...@hotmail.com wrote:
After two days with the P3, here are some observations and questions.
Could the following be considered as part of future firmware upgrades?
Save the REF LVL, SCALE, and SPAN on a per band basis? This would reduce
the need to adjust these when changing bands.
I'm thinking that for contest work
You could have a problem, I have that waterfall height setting there on F7 and
it never goes away. Check your Firmware version... We're on .028 now I belive.
From: cr...@powersmith.net
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:36:48 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ideas and
Per band settings are coming in a future release...
Some of the earlier versions had issues with FN keys disappearing.
Alan believes to have this solved in the latest versions but the jury
is still out as we are beating on versions not yet released...
~Brett (N7MG)
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:36
Yep, I'm using 0.28 preloaded with the kit and it seems to work fine in all
other respects. But I'm sure a newer version will be coming out shortly
anyhow. Just thought I'd mention it to see if others may be having the same
problem.
73 Craig AC0DS
You could have a problem, I have that
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:08:04 -0700
From: btipp...@alum.mit.edu
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3: a modest proposal for QSY
...
The P3's Ref Cal steps in the menu are 10 Hz but that's close enough
for accurately QSYing to even a 50 Hz bandwidth.
It's actually the
Try moving that function to another button.. For example, use F7, and that's
where I have mine now without issue. See if that works for you.
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Subject: RE: [Elecraft] P3 Ideas and questions
Date: Wed, 11 Aug
Hi,
I have three E-radios plus a few of their other smaller offerings. I
feel I need to be on this list, things do happen that affect me and my
radios [although not a lot lately, it seems :-) ]. The list is becoming
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