Re: [Emc-developers] RPImager problem Re: RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions
Steffen, yes a forum member confirmed the same including lack of sound. He said latency was better than his last image. Is there anything configurable if you run pulseaudio? We think it will just be a config setting. One of the upstream guys has our build environment so I will ask him to review it for sound. I'll wait till they sort out the compression. Rod Webster *1300 896 832* +61 435 765 611 Vehicle Modifications Network www.vehiclemods.net.au On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 at 10:50, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers < emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > The Balena Etcher did not complain, and neither then did the RPi5. > Many thanks! > > The regular raspbian OS comes with sound via HDMI. I am toying around with > packages to install to see if I am getting anywhere without much > configuration. KDE works after installing task-kde-desktop - no sound, > though. > > Best, > Steffen > > > Gesendet: Montag, 01. Januar 2024 um 19:17 Uhr > > Von: "Rod Webster" > > An: "EMC developers" > > Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] RPImager problem Aw: Re: RPi5 + Raspbian + > LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions > > > > >I downloaded the RPi5 image , ran xz -dt on it with no complaint, but > then > > got a complaint by rpi-imager, the image size would not be a multiple of > > 512. That was with the same SD that had held the previous version. Did > > anybody else get that ?>message, too? I ran this with another machine, > > with a USB SD adapter, so something could be off. Will try another > download > > and another machine, but should someone else run into this, please kindly > > shout out. > > > > Steffen, Could you please try burning the image using Balena Etcher? > > https://etcher.balena.io/ > > This created and validated th image for me, I just can't test it. > > > > > > Rod Webster > > *1300 896 832* > > +61 435 765 611 > > Vehicle Modifications Network > > www.vehiclemods.net.au > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 at 00:01, andy pugh wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 at 13:57, andy pugh wrote: > > > > > > > Try not doing that? The RPi Imager will accept a .xz file. > > > > I just wrote the Pi5 XZ straight to an SD card with no complaints. > > > > > > Oh, wait, you mean Rod's latest images? The one at www.linuxcnc.org > > > seem to work. > > > > > > -- > > > atp > > > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is > > > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and > > > lunatics." > > > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Emc-developers mailing list > > > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-developers mailing list > > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > > > > > ___ > Emc-developers mailing list > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] RPImager problem Re: RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions
Yo Steffen! On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 01:49:34 +0100 Steffen Möller via Emc-developers wrote: > The regular raspbian OS comes with sound via HDMI. I am toying around > with packages to install to see if I am getting anywhere without much > configuration. KDE works after installing task-kde-desktop - no > sound, though. Install the pavucontrol package. That hass the controls you need to move the sound between ports. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 g...@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? "If you can't measure it, you can't improve it." - Lord Kelvin pgpxGIrDG0uZW.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] RPImager problem Re: RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions
The Balena Etcher did not complain, and neither then did the RPi5. Many thanks! The regular raspbian OS comes with sound via HDMI. I am toying around with packages to install to see if I am getting anywhere without much configuration. KDE works after installing task-kde-desktop - no sound, though. Best, Steffen > Gesendet: Montag, 01. Januar 2024 um 19:17 Uhr > Von: "Rod Webster" > An: "EMC developers" > Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] RPImager problem Aw: Re: RPi5 + Raspbian + > LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions > > >I downloaded the RPi5 image , ran xz -dt on it with no complaint, but then > got a complaint by rpi-imager, the image size would not be a multiple of > 512. That was with the same SD that had held the previous version. Did > anybody else get that ?>message, too? I ran this with another machine, > with a USB SD adapter, so something could be off. Will try another download > and another machine, but should someone else run into this, please kindly > shout out. > > Steffen, Could you please try burning the image using Balena Etcher? > https://etcher.balena.io/ > This created and validated th image for me, I just can't test it. > > > Rod Webster > *1300 896 832* > +61 435 765 611 > Vehicle Modifications Network > www.vehiclemods.net.au > > > On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 at 00:01, andy pugh wrote: > > > On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 at 13:57, andy pugh wrote: > > > > > Try not doing that? The RPi Imager will accept a .xz file. > > > I just wrote the Pi5 XZ straight to an SD card with no complaints. > > > > Oh, wait, you mean Rod's latest images? The one at www.linuxcnc.org > > seem to work. > > > > -- > > atp > > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is > > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and > > lunatics." > > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-developers mailing list > > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > > > > ___ > Emc-developers mailing list > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] RPImager problem Aw: Re: RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions
>I downloaded the RPi5 image , ran xz -dt on it with no complaint, but then got a complaint by rpi-imager, the image size would not be a multiple of 512. That was with the same SD that had held the previous version. Did anybody else get that ?>message, too? I ran this with another machine, with a USB SD adapter, so something could be off. Will try another download and another machine, but should someone else run into this, please kindly shout out. Steffen, Could you please try burning the image using Balena Etcher? https://etcher.balena.io/ This created and validated th image for me, I just can't test it. Rod Webster *1300 896 832* +61 435 765 611 Vehicle Modifications Network www.vehiclemods.net.au On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 at 00:01, andy pugh wrote: > On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 at 13:57, andy pugh wrote: > > > Try not doing that? The RPi Imager will accept a .xz file. > > I just wrote the Pi5 XZ straight to an SD card with no complaints. > > Oh, wait, you mean Rod's latest images? The one at www.linuxcnc.org > seem to work. > > -- > atp > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and > lunatics." > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > ___ > Emc-developers mailing list > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] RPImager problem Re: RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions
Thanks all, yes its confirmed it is a problem at our end but not of our doing. Upstream changed the way they shrank the image which was buggy. Initially, I could not generate an image at all. They reworked it on my feedback. Clearly they have some more work to do. Thanks for testing. I'll let you know when we have another candidate. Rod Webster *1300 896 832* +61 435 765 611 Vehicle Modifications Network www.vehiclemods.net.au On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 at 23:36, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers < emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > I just transitioned from Windows to Mac, new download, and get the same > error. The default Raspbian OS now installed just fine on the same SD with > the same equipment. I now dare to conclude that the problem is with your > image. > > Best, > Steffen > > > > > Rod, > > > > You referenced the download page and so I just went through > https://linuxcnc.org/downloads/ again and liked it a lot. Very clear, > many thanks! Whoever wrote that - many thanks! My initial reflex was like > "Our documentation should be as good or better" and then thought that maybe > the documentation should in contrary just depend on the download page to > know best what to download and we should possibly even minimize our > LinuxCNC documentation on OS install questions with a pointer to the > Download page?!? > > > > I downloaded the RPi5 image , ran xz -dt on it with no complaint, but > then got a complaint by rpi-imager, the image size would not be a multiple > of 512. That was with the same SD that had held the previous version. Did > anybody else get that message, too? I ran this with another machine, with > a USB SD adapter, so something could be off. Will try another download and > another machine, but should someone else run into this, please kindly shout > out. > > > > Happy New Year to everyone, > > Steffen > > > > > > > > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Dezember 2023 um 20:06 Uhr > > > Von: "Rod Webster" > > > An: "EMC developers" > > > Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests > - first impressions > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > I've sent new images for the Pi 4b and Pi 5 to Andy for testing, with a > > > view that they be deployed on the downloads page. These both use the > 6.1.69 > > > kernel which is the very first version where the Raspberry Kernel and > the > > > PREEMPT_RT patch align perfectly. Hopefully over the last 6 weeks, the > pi5 > > > is better supported now. > > > > > > *Raspberry Pi 4b/400* > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Bzx_PqRqdJVTMPlNMEG7z_RjJHf7QcDX/view?usp=sharing > > > > > > *Raspberry PI 5* > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HBXliMQE-OvU0PQPYEOK3OqJz0-CTO5K/view?usp=sharing > > > > > > For initial login credentials, and initial configuration, please > refer to > > > the download page > > > https://linuxcnc.org/downloads/ > > > > > > Rod Webster > > > *1300 896 832* > > > +61 435 765 611 > > > Vehicle Modifications Network > > > www.vehiclemods.net.au > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 at 01:35, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers < > > > emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > > > > > > > Rod, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your kind and swift reply. > > > > HDMI sound works perfectly with the Raspbian default. Also, I think > this > > > > would find quite some user base, since anyone reusing an old TV or a > > > > feature-rich monitor with the RPi would immediately benefit. I also > > > > mentioned games before :) > > > > > > > > The RPi image we come up with does not need to be perfect. Our users > > > > should just not be surprised with anythin when using it. My wishlist > would > > > > be > > > > * A pointer to our manual at all the places where the image could be > > > > downloaded > > > > * The manual describing > > > >- how the image is created so they can contribute > > > >- what not to do with that image > > > > > > > > On a sidenote, please have a look at http://raspi.debian.net/. > Nothing on > > > > the RPi5, though maybe this resonates somehow with what we are after. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Steffen > > > > > > > > > Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Dezember 2023 um 14:16 Uhr > > > > > Von: "Rod Webster" > > > > > An: "EMC developers" > > > > > Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency > tests - > > > > first impressions > > > > > > > > > > Steffen, > > > > > > > > > > Some good feedback thanks. > > > > > I'm really not surprised things broke on an update because we > compile the > > > > > kernel from the Raspberry sources at a specific point in the > commit tree. > > > > > It's not a generic Debian build by any means. LIkewise installing > a > > > > > different desktop is also asking for trouble. > > > > > > > > > > Having no sound is also not surprising because in the absence of > an audio > > > > > jack you are dependent on HDMI and I know other SBC's have issues > with > > > > HDMI > > > > > sound. If someone has a solution please let me know > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [Emc-developers] RPImager problem Aw: Re: RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 at 13:57, andy pugh wrote: > Try not doing that? The RPi Imager will accept a .xz file. > I just wrote the Pi5 XZ straight to an SD card with no complaints. Oh, wait, you mean Rod's latest images? The one at www.linuxcnc.org seem to work. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] RPImager problem Aw: Re: RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 at 13:12, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers wrote: > I downloaded the RPi5 image , ran xz -dt on it with no complaint Try not doing that? The RPi Imager will accept a .xz file. I just wrote the Pi5 XZ straight to an SD card with no complaints. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] RPImager problem Re: RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions
I just transitioned from Windows to Mac, new download, and get the same error. The default Raspbian OS now installed just fine on the same SD with the same equipment. I now dare to conclude that the problem is with your image. Best, Steffen > > Rod, > > You referenced the download page and so I just went through > https://linuxcnc.org/downloads/ again and liked it a lot. Very clear, many > thanks! Whoever wrote that - many thanks! My initial reflex was like "Our > documentation should be as good or better" and then thought that maybe the > documentation should in contrary just depend on the download page to know > best what to download and we should possibly even minimize our LinuxCNC > documentation on OS install questions with a pointer to the Download page?!? > > I downloaded the RPi5 image , ran xz -dt on it with no complaint, but then > got a complaint by rpi-imager, the image size would not be a multiple of 512. > That was with the same SD that had held the previous version. Did anybody > else get that message, too? I ran this with another machine, with a USB SD > adapter, so something could be off. Will try another download and another > machine, but should someone else run into this, please kindly shout out. > > Happy New Year to everyone, > Steffen > > > > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Dezember 2023 um 20:06 Uhr > > Von: "Rod Webster" > > An: "EMC developers" > > Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - > > first impressions > > > > Hi guys, > > I've sent new images for the Pi 4b and Pi 5 to Andy for testing, with a > > view that they be deployed on the downloads page. These both use the 6.1.69 > > kernel which is the very first version where the Raspberry Kernel and the > > PREEMPT_RT patch align perfectly. Hopefully over the last 6 weeks, the pi5 > > is better supported now. > > > > *Raspberry Pi 4b/400* > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Bzx_PqRqdJVTMPlNMEG7z_RjJHf7QcDX/view?usp=sharing > > > > *Raspberry PI 5* > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HBXliMQE-OvU0PQPYEOK3OqJz0-CTO5K/view?usp=sharing > > > > For initial login credentials, and initial configuration, please refer to > > the download page > > https://linuxcnc.org/downloads/ > > > > Rod Webster > > *1300 896 832* > > +61 435 765 611 > > Vehicle Modifications Network > > www.vehiclemods.net.au > > > > > > On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 at 01:35, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers < > > emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > > > > > Rod, > > > > > > Thank you for your kind and swift reply. > > > HDMI sound works perfectly with the Raspbian default. Also, I think this > > > would find quite some user base, since anyone reusing an old TV or a > > > feature-rich monitor with the RPi would immediately benefit. I also > > > mentioned games before :) > > > > > > The RPi image we come up with does not need to be perfect. Our users > > > should just not be surprised with anythin when using it. My wishlist would > > > be > > > * A pointer to our manual at all the places where the image could be > > > downloaded > > > * The manual describing > > >- how the image is created so they can contribute > > >- what not to do with that image > > > > > > On a sidenote, please have a look at http://raspi.debian.net/. Nothing on > > > the RPi5, though maybe this resonates somehow with what we are after. > > > > > > Best, > > > Steffen > > > > > > > Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Dezember 2023 um 14:16 Uhr > > > > Von: "Rod Webster" > > > > An: "EMC developers" > > > > Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - > > > first impressions > > > > > > > > Steffen, > > > > > > > > Some good feedback thanks. > > > > I'm really not surprised things broke on an update because we compile > > > > the > > > > kernel from the Raspberry sources at a specific point in the commit > > > > tree. > > > > It's not a generic Debian build by any means. LIkewise installing a > > > > different desktop is also asking for trouble. > > > > > > > > Having no sound is also not surprising because in the absence of an > > > > audio > > > > jack you are dependent on HDMI and I know other SBC's have issues with > > > HDMI > > > > sound. If someone has a solution please let me know > > > > > > > > Please bear in mind that this image is over 6 weeks old and there have > > > been > > > > several kernel releases and countless commits to the raspberry pi kernel > > > > since then. > > > > > > > > But for me, the main thing is that it's only in the last few days that > > > the > > > > kernel version and the PREEMPT_RT patch align perfectly so I am hoping > > > > my > > > > next version is more robust. That has never happened in the life of the > > > pi5 > > > > before. > > > > > > > > To test latency on the console, you can install the debian rt-tests > > > > package. I have found that our latency-histogram yields similar results. > > > > > > > > I don't think a single 400 usec spike when opening a
[Emc-developers] RPImager problem Aw: Re: RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - first impressions
Rod, You referenced the download page and so I just went through https://linuxcnc.org/downloads/ again and liked it a lot. Very clear, many thanks! Whoever wrote that - many thanks! My initial reflex was like "Our documentation should be as good or better" and then thought that maybe the documentation should in contrary just depend on the download page to know best what to download and we should possibly even minimize our LinuxCNC documentation on OS install questions with a pointer to the Download page?!? I downloaded the RPi5 image , ran xz -dt on it with no complaint, but then got a complaint by rpi-imager, the image size would not be a multiple of 512. That was with the same SD that had held the previous version. Did anybody else get that message, too? I ran this with another machine, with a USB SD adapter, so something could be off. Will try another download and another machine, but should someone else run into this, please kindly shout out. Happy New Year to everyone, Steffen > Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Dezember 2023 um 20:06 Uhr > Von: "Rod Webster" > An: "EMC developers" > Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - > first impressions > > Hi guys, > I've sent new images for the Pi 4b and Pi 5 to Andy for testing, with a > view that they be deployed on the downloads page. These both use the 6.1.69 > kernel which is the very first version where the Raspberry Kernel and the > PREEMPT_RT patch align perfectly. Hopefully over the last 6 weeks, the pi5 > is better supported now. > > *Raspberry Pi 4b/400* > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Bzx_PqRqdJVTMPlNMEG7z_RjJHf7QcDX/view?usp=sharing > > *Raspberry PI 5* > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HBXliMQE-OvU0PQPYEOK3OqJz0-CTO5K/view?usp=sharing > > For initial login credentials, and initial configuration, please refer to > the download page > https://linuxcnc.org/downloads/ > > Rod Webster > *1300 896 832* > +61 435 765 611 > Vehicle Modifications Network > www.vehiclemods.net.au > > > On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 at 01:35, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers < > emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > > > Rod, > > > > Thank you for your kind and swift reply. > > HDMI sound works perfectly with the Raspbian default. Also, I think this > > would find quite some user base, since anyone reusing an old TV or a > > feature-rich monitor with the RPi would immediately benefit. I also > > mentioned games before :) > > > > The RPi image we come up with does not need to be perfect. Our users > > should just not be surprised with anythin when using it. My wishlist would > > be > > * A pointer to our manual at all the places where the image could be > > downloaded > > * The manual describing > >- how the image is created so they can contribute > >- what not to do with that image > > > > On a sidenote, please have a look at http://raspi.debian.net/. Nothing on > > the RPi5, though maybe this resonates somehow with what we are after. > > > > Best, > > Steffen > > > > > Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Dezember 2023 um 14:16 Uhr > > > Von: "Rod Webster" > > > An: "EMC developers" > > > Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] RPi5 + Raspbian + LinuxCNC latency tests - > > first impressions > > > > > > Steffen, > > > > > > Some good feedback thanks. > > > I'm really not surprised things broke on an update because we compile the > > > kernel from the Raspberry sources at a specific point in the commit tree. > > > It's not a generic Debian build by any means. LIkewise installing a > > > different desktop is also asking for trouble. > > > > > > Having no sound is also not surprising because in the absence of an audio > > > jack you are dependent on HDMI and I know other SBC's have issues with > > HDMI > > > sound. If someone has a solution please let me know > > > > > > Please bear in mind that this image is over 6 weeks old and there have > > been > > > several kernel releases and countless commits to the raspberry pi kernel > > > since then. > > > > > > But for me, the main thing is that it's only in the last few days that > > the > > > kernel version and the PREEMPT_RT patch align perfectly so I am hoping my > > > next version is more robust. That has never happened in the life of the > > pi5 > > > before. > > > > > > To test latency on the console, you can install the debian rt-tests > > > package. I have found that our latency-histogram yields similar results. > > > > > > I don't think a single 400 usec spike when opening a browser is of > > concern. > > > Thats not something you do when running a gcode program. > > > > > > Hopefully I will have some peace and quiet over the weekend to build a > > new > > > version. > > > > > > Rod Webster > > > *1300 896 832* > > > +61 435 765 611 > > > Vehicle Modifications Network > > > www.vehiclemods.net.au > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 at 21:58, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers < > > > emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > > > > > > > Heya, > > > > > > > > Not only that
