Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-18 Thread gene heskett 

On 8/16/23 19:15, gene heskett wrote:

On 8/16/23 09:50, Alan Condit via Emc-developers wrote:

Gene,

I was able to build linuxcnc on the Pine RockPro64 which is a 3399 chip.


But you've not reported if rpspi.ko built (and worked would be super 
nice), and my 7i90HD hardware requires it.



Alan



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Or are you running a 64-bit kernel?

Not on the rpi4 just yet, its running armhf, but I've a luv affair with
bananapi-m5's in my 3d printer stuff. Somewhat faster than a pi, all 4
usb ports are usb3, but no radio. $85/copy on amazon. If the pi dies,
I'll see if I can rebuild rpspi.ko to run on the 3399 chip.


That is helpful, but are you using the 7i90HD interface?  That needs the 
rpspi.ko driver, which at the bare minimum would need the updated 
address of the gpio array as is likely different from the chip used in 
the rpi4b's. The author of that module is a Swedish prof named Bertho 
Stultans IIRC.  He has been very helpful in the past. Past now would be 
half a decade ago.


Thanks Alan. Take care & stay well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.


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Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-16 Thread gene heskett 

On 8/16/23 09:50, Alan Condit via Emc-developers wrote:

Gene,

I was able to build linuxcnc on the Pine RockPro64 which is a 3399 chip.

Alan



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Or are you running a 64-bit kernel?

Not on the rpi4 just yet, its running armhf, but I've a luv affair with
bananapi-m5's in my 3d printer stuff. Somewhat faster than a pi, all 4
usb ports are usb3, but no radio. $85/copy on amazon. If the pi dies,
I'll see if I can rebuild rpspi.ko to run on the 3399 chip.


That is helpful, but are you using the 7i90HD interface?  That needs the 
rpspi.ko driver, which at the bare minimum would need the updated 
address of the gpio array as is likely different from the chip used in 
the rpi4b's. The author of that module is a Swedish prof named Bertho 
Stultans IIRC.  He has been very helpful in the past. Past now would be 
half a decade ago.


Thanks Alan. Take care & stay well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
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Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-16 Thread Alan Condit via Emc-developers 
Gene,

I was able to build linuxcnc on the Pine RockPro64 which is a 3399 chip.

Alan

> 
> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 09:22:52 -0400
> From: gene heskett 
> To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue
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> 
>> Or are you running a 64-bit kernel?
> Not on the rpi4 just yet, its running armhf, but I've a luv affair with 
> bananapi-m5's in my 3d printer stuff. Somewhat faster than a pi, all 4 
> usb ports are usb3, but no radio. $85/copy on amazon. If the pi dies, 
> I'll see if I can rebuild rpspi.ko to run on the 3399 chip.
>> 
> 
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Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-15 Thread gene heskett 

On 8/15/23 12:47, gene heskett wrote:

On 8/15/23 09:32, gene heskett wrote:

On 8/15/23 07:23, andy pugh wrote:

On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 at 20:57, gene heskett  wrote:


because there is no longer an in-release file
for buster,


http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/


. I can't even restore from the buildbot
because apt won't access the site w/o that file.


You could just grab the .deb file.

http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/master-rtpreempt/binary-armhf/


Got all 4 of them, will move them to the pi and sic dpkg on them, 
thanks Andy.


Or are you running a 64-bit kernel?

I have the arm64 netinstall but have not put it onto an sd card yet.
And I've printed the release notes. Anything else I need to know to 
get bookworm actually running linuxcnc??


Thanks Andy.
I've now put the debian arm64 netinstall on an sd card and plugged it 
into one of the bpi's.  No attempt to boot was observed. Bringing the 
card back to my reader, it is not mountable, claims wrong filesystem 
etc.  dmesg says:[764858.288180] sd 11:0:0:0: [sdd] 123596800 512-byte 
logical blocks: (63.3 GB/58.9 GiB)

[764858.288613] sdd: detected capacity change from 0 to 123596800
[764858.289822]  sdd: sdd1 sdd2
[764949.065169] EXT4-fs (sdd1): VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem
[764966.936416] FAT-fs (sdd1): bogus number of reserved sectors
[764966.936425] FAT-fs (sdd1): Can't find a valid FAT filesystem
[765008.230694] EXT4-fs (sdd2): VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem
[765992.599444] EXT4-fs (sdd2): VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem
blisterpack claims card is SDXC, what file system is that to linux?
Can I make it usable?


Addendum, put arm64/ubuntu/jammie on card, boots normally.






Cheers, Gene Heskett.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.


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Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-15 Thread gene heskett 

On 8/15/23 09:32, gene heskett wrote:

On 8/15/23 07:23, andy pugh wrote:

On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 at 20:57, gene heskett  wrote:


because there is no longer an in-release file
for buster,


http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/


. I can't even restore from the buildbot
because apt won't access the site w/o that file.


You could just grab the .deb file.

http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/master-rtpreempt/binary-armhf/


Got all 4 of them, will move them to the pi and sic dpkg on them, thanks 
Andy.


Or are you running a 64-bit kernel?

I have the arm64 netinstall but have not put it onto an sd card yet.
And I've printed the release notes. Anything else I need to know to get 
bookworm actually running linuxcnc??


Thanks Andy.
I've now put the debian arm64 netinstall on an sd card and plugged it 
into one of the bpi's.  No attempt to boot was observed. Bringing the 
card back to my reader, it is not mountable, claims wrong filesystem 
etc.  dmesg says:[764858.288180] sd 11:0:0:0: [sdd] 123596800 512-byte 
logical blocks: (63.3 GB/58.9 GiB)

[764858.288613] sdd: detected capacity change from 0 to 123596800
[764858.289822]  sdd: sdd1 sdd2
[764949.065169] EXT4-fs (sdd1): VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem
[764966.936416] FAT-fs (sdd1): bogus number of reserved sectors
[764966.936425] FAT-fs (sdd1): Can't find a valid FAT filesystem
[765008.230694] EXT4-fs (sdd2): VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem
[765992.599444] EXT4-fs (sdd2): VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem
blisterpack claims card is SDXC, what file system is that to linux?
Can I make it usable?





Cheers, Gene Heskett.


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Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-15 Thread gene heskett 

On 8/15/23 07:23, andy pugh wrote:

On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 at 20:57, gene heskett  wrote:


because there is no longer an in-release file
for buster,


http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/


. I can't even restore from the buildbot
because apt won't access the site w/o that file.


You could just grab the .deb file.

http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/master-rtpreempt/binary-armhf/


Got all 4 of them, will move them to the pi and sic dpkg on them, thanks 
Andy.


Or are you running a 64-bit kernel?

I have the arm64 netinstall but have not put it onto an sd card yet.
And I've printed the release notes. Anything else I need to know to get 
bookworm actually running linuxcnc??


Thanks Andy.




Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-15 Thread gene heskett 

On 8/15/23 07:23, andy pugh wrote:

On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 at 20:57, gene heskett  wrote:


because there is no longer an in-release file
for buster,


http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/


. I can't even restore from the buildbot
because apt won't access the site w/o that file.


You could just grab the .deb file.

http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/master-rtpreempt/binary-armhf/

Or are you running a 64-bit kernel?
Not on the rpi4 just yet, its running armhf, but I've a luv affair with 
bananapi-m5's in my 3d printer stuff. Somewhat faster than a pi, all 4 
usb ports are usb3, but no radio. $85/copy on amazon. If the pi dies, 
I'll see if I can rebuild rpspi.ko to run on the 3399 chip.




Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-15 Thread andy pugh 
On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 at 20:57, gene heskett  wrote:
>
> because there is no longer an in-release file
> for buster,

http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/

> . I can't even restore from the buildbot
> because apt won't access the site w/o that file.

You could just grab the .deb file.

http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/master-rtpreempt/binary-armhf/

Or are you running a 64-bit kernel?

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Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-14 Thread gene heskett 

On 8/14/23 11:20, andy pugh wrote:

On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 at 14:07, gene heskett  wrote:


Because I have no interest in languages I don't speak and there is no
way to build just the English docs. I am locked out of any upgrades as
I'm running buster,


Can you explain what you mean by this?

Just that Andy, because I've installed the debs I locally made, the 
system is now in a broken state. Doing a fix broken will remove the 
locally compiled debs. and because there is no longer an in-release file 
for buster, the only thing I can do is save my work and install bookworm 
which will back me up to 2.9.0. I can't even restore from the buildbot 
because apt won't access the site w/o that file.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-14 Thread andy pugh 
On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 at 14:07, gene heskett  wrote:

> Because I have no interest in languages I don't speak and there is no
> way to build just the English docs. I am locked out of any upgrades as
> I'm running buster,

Can you explain what you mean by this?

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Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-14 Thread Marius 

@Rod

Most non-guru users make use of the ISO and that is still on buster. The 
new process using bookworm requires a lot of intervention that is not 
easy for most folks to do. The simplest way is using the current ISO and 
then use Synaptic Package Manager to upgrade to master branch. I think 
most users will stay with that until it is deprecated.


On 2023/08/13 19:39, Rod Webster wrote:

@marius, There is a new buildbot Seb has builthttp://buildbot2.highlab.com/
One solution would be to download the docs you want and install with sudo
dpkg -i
Alternatively, you could edit your sources to use them with apt. This is
described for Bookworm and 2.9 in the docs under heading #9 here.
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.9/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html
  If you wanted to get for say buster and master, you would need to change
the echo statement to suit. I am not sure how the linuxcnc 2.8 iso does
this, you might need to review and update files in /etc/apt/sources.list
and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/

@gene, if you want to move forward to bookworm, the process is described in
the 2.9 docs per the second link
The Raspberry pi is a bit of a problem as there is no new buildbot for it.
Today, you would be better off using 64 bit arm64 instead of armhf (on a pi
4b). Installing on bookworm is also described in the docs above. The gpio
was broken due to depreciation of the non standard method we used.  I think
Andy has fixed that recently pending a new driver that uses the correct
method. But there is no alternative but to build from source on the pi to
obtain the latest versions as the bookworm image is locked by debian
policies at an earlier version. I was hoping that the new buildbot would
build Raspberry images using a cross compiler on AMD64 hardware as per some
links I shared on Issue #2349
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/2349  Currently the old buildbot
uses a pi to build everything which is not desirable moving forward.

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On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 at 23:05, gene heskett  wrote:


On 8/13/23 05:17, Steffen M￶ller wrote:

Hello,


Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2023 um 09:38 Uhr
Von: "Marius"

There seem to be a problem with the DOCS on the server. Upgrading is not
possible if the docs are included as they just will not download at all
or take many hours if they do download.

I reported this before but it seems to be still ongoing issue.

I'm a bit puzzled by the issue you've mentioned regarding the DOCS on

the server. I thought it might be connected to the online documentation on
the web server, but it seems that part is working fine for the sections I
checked.

Could you provide more details about the problem? Is it related to a

Debian documentation package? If you have specific steps or commands to
recreate the error, please share them.

If someone else on this list can already reproduce this issue, please

step forward :)

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. We're here to help, so the

more information you can give us, the better. With more details, I'm sure
someone with expertise will come forward to address the issue.

Many thanks!
Steffen


I don't have the expertise, but I can report results.

Because I have no interest in languages I don't speak and there is no
way to build just the English docs. I am locked out of any upgrades as
I'm running buster, I cannot even build linuxcnc on bullseye because
bullseye's python is too new. This has been reported several times on
this list.

I normally, since I'm not a for profit shop, run master from the
buildbot, as a hobbiest I can afford to bleed occasionally, but the
buster in-release file has been removed from the buildbot for armhf,
disabling my access to the buildbot's output for buster master.

So I'm back to running some scripts here that duplicate the buildbot,
including building install-able debs. But something has gone wrong and
the installed debs, which run just fine, now break apt, and the only
solution is to fix-broken, which will remove the debs my pi just spent
40 minutes building and 3 minutes installing.

I can after that, probably install bookworm and then install linuxcnc,
v2.9.0 from the bookworm repo's.

But that is not the point Steffan, because I'm not a for profit user,
I've been playing canary in the coal mine, running master for almost 20
years, reporting unseen bugs as I've encountered them, my contribution
to the stability of linuxcnc.  These guy's are good, I've only reported
a failure twice in that time frame. OTOH my test is just to see if it
runs from a shell so I don't catch everything.

So at present, I can't build the docs because my machine does not have
the resources installed to build all the languages that have been added
in the last 2 years.  I could probably install them if I had a list of
what's needed. But its also time to install bookworm. A different kettle
of fish entirely.

Lets assume I install

Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-14 Thread Marius 

Rod

Thanks for the reply. I am well aware that the OS is deprecated. It is 
maybe time that we get a new ISO then :)


The docs are not that important for a commercial machine. Operators 
don't read them. I will try your work around though.



On 2023/08/14 11:08, Rod Webster wrote:

Marius, I know your preference for the standard ISO. If you reread my
suggestions you will see I was specifically referring to 2.8 just for you
that might have solved your docs issue via a workaround.

Gene asked about Bookworm and I addressed some issues for him.

But despite you sticking with linuxcnc 2.8 until it is depreciated, the
operating system it's distributed on is well and truly depreciated..

There are many people who are forced to upgrade to a later OS due to lack
of driver support or because they want features that are not available in
2.8. Whilst 2.9 is now supported in the ISO, that was not always the case.
It was quite some time before 2.9/master became available on Buster
following the move to Python 3.x. Some of us responded to that by
abandoning the Buster ISO.

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 at 18:27, Marius  wrote:


@Rod

Most non-guru users make use of the ISO and that is still on buster. The
new process using bookworm requires a lot of intervention that is not
easy for most folks to do. The simplest way is using the current ISO and
then use Synaptic Package Manager to upgrade to master branch. I think
most users will stay with that until it is deprecated.

On 2023/08/13 19:39, Rod Webster wrote:

@marius, There is a new buildbot Seb has built

http://buildbot2.highlab.com/

One solution would be to download the docs you want and install with sudo
dpkg -i
Alternatively, you could edit your sources to use them with apt. This is
described for Bookworm and 2.9 in the docs under heading #9 here.
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.9/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html
   If you wanted to get for say buster and master, you would need to

change

the echo statement to suit. I am not sure how the linuxcnc 2.8 iso does
this, you might need to review and update files in /etc/apt/sources.list
and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/

@gene, if you want to move forward to bookworm, the process is described

in

the 2.9 docs per the second link
The Raspberry pi is a bit of a problem as there is no new buildbot for

it.

Today, you would be better off using 64 bit arm64 instead of armhf (on a

pi

4b). Installing on bookworm is also described in the docs above. The gpio
was broken due to depreciation of the non standard method we used.  I

think

Andy has fixed that recently pending a new driver that uses the correct
method. But there is no alternative but to build from source on the pi to
obtain the latest versions as the bookworm image is locked by debian
policies at an earlier version. I was hoping that the new buildbot would
build Raspberry images using a cross compiler on AMD64 hardware as per

some

links I shared on Issue #2349
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/2349  Currently the old

buildbot

uses a pi to build everything which is not desirable moving forward.

Rod Webster
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 at 23:05, gene heskett  wrote:


On 8/13/23 05:17, Steffen M￶ller wrote:

Hello,


Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2023 um 09:38 Uhr
Von: "Marius"

There seem to be a problem with the DOCS on the server. Upgrading is

not

possible if the docs are included as they just will not download at

all

or take many hours if they do download.

I reported this before but it seems to be still ongoing issue.

I'm a bit puzzled by the issue you've mentioned regarding the DOCS on

the server. I thought it might be connected to the online documentation

on

the web server, but it seems that part is working fine for the sections

I

checked.

Could you provide more details about the problem? Is it related to a

Debian documentation package? If you have specific steps or commands to
recreate the error, please share them.

If someone else on this list can already reproduce this issue, please

step forward :)

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. We're here to help, so the

more information you can give us, the better. With more details, I'm

sure

someone with expertise will come forward to address the issue.

Many thanks!
Steffen


I don't have the expertise, but I can report results.

Because I have no interest in languages I don't speak and there is no
way to build just the English docs. I am locked out of any upgrades as
I'm running buster, I cannot even build linuxcnc on bullseye because
bullseye's python is too new. This has been reported several times on
this list.

I normally, since I'm not a for profit shop, run master from the
buildbot, as a hobbiest I can afford to bleed occasionally, but the
buster in-release file has been removed from the buildbot

Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-14 Thread Rod Webster 
I hope it's soon. There are only 6 issues outstanding when I look. :)

I only ever use the online docs at linuxcnc.org.

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 at 19:26, Marius  wrote:

> Rod
>
> Thanks for the reply. I am well aware that the OS is deprecated. It is
> maybe time that we get a new ISO then :)
>
> The docs are not that important for a commercial machine. Operators
> don't read them. I will try your work around though.
>
>
> On 2023/08/14 11:08, Rod Webster wrote:
> > Marius, I know your preference for the standard ISO. If you reread my
> > suggestions you will see I was specifically referring to 2.8 just for you
> > that might have solved your docs issue via a workaround.
> >
> > Gene asked about Bookworm and I addressed some issues for him.
> >
> > But despite you sticking with linuxcnc 2.8 until it is depreciated, the
> > operating system it's distributed on is well and truly depreciated..
> >
> > There are many people who are forced to upgrade to a later OS due to lack
> > of driver support or because they want features that are not available in
> > 2.8. Whilst 2.9 is now supported in the ISO, that was not always the
> case.
> > It was quite some time before 2.9/master became available on Buster
> > following the move to Python 3.x. Some of us responded to that by
> > abandoning the Buster ISO.
> >
> > Rod Webster
> > *1300 896 832*
> > +61 435 765 611
> > Vehicle Modifications Network
> > www.vehiclemods.net.au
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 at 18:27, Marius  wrote:
> >
> >> @Rod
> >>
> >> Most non-guru users make use of the ISO and that is still on buster. The
> >> new process using bookworm requires a lot of intervention that is not
> >> easy for most folks to do. The simplest way is using the current ISO and
> >> then use Synaptic Package Manager to upgrade to master branch. I think
> >> most users will stay with that until it is deprecated.
> >>
> >> On 2023/08/13 19:39, Rod Webster wrote:
> >>> @marius, There is a new buildbot Seb has built
> >> http://buildbot2.highlab.com/
> >>> One solution would be to download the docs you want and install with
> sudo
> >>> dpkg -i
> >>> Alternatively, you could edit your sources to use them with apt. This
> is
> >>> described for Bookworm and 2.9 in the docs under heading #9 here.
> >>>
> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.9/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html
> >>>If you wanted to get for say buster and master, you would need to
> >> change
> >>> the echo statement to suit. I am not sure how the linuxcnc 2.8 iso does
> >>> this, you might need to review and update files in
> /etc/apt/sources.list
> >>> and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
> >>>
> >>> @gene, if you want to move forward to bookworm, the process is
> described
> >> in
> >>> the 2.9 docs per the second link
> >>> The Raspberry pi is a bit of a problem as there is no new buildbot for
> >> it.
> >>> Today, you would be better off using 64 bit arm64 instead of armhf (on
> a
> >> pi
> >>> 4b). Installing on bookworm is also described in the docs above. The
> gpio
> >>> was broken due to depreciation of the non standard method we used.  I
> >> think
> >>> Andy has fixed that recently pending a new driver that uses the correct
> >>> method. But there is no alternative but to build from source on the pi
> to
> >>> obtain the latest versions as the bookworm image is locked by debian
> >>> policies at an earlier version. I was hoping that the new buildbot
> would
> >>> build Raspberry images using a cross compiler on AMD64 hardware as per
> >> some
> >>> links I shared on Issue #2349
> >>> https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/2349 Currently the old
> >> buildbot
> >>> uses a pi to build everything which is not desirable moving forward.
> >>>
> >>> Rod Webster
> >>> *1300 896 832*
> >>> +61 435 765 611
> >>> Vehicle Modifications Network
> >>> www.vehiclemods.net.au
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 at 23:05, gene heskett 
> wrote:
> >>>
>  On 8/13/23 05:17, Steffen M￶ller wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2023 um 09:38 Uhr
> >> Von: "Marius" 
> >>
> >> There seem to be a problem with the DOCS on the server. Upgrading is
> >> not
> >> possible if the docs are included as they just will not download at
> >> all
> >> or take many hours if they do download.
> >>
> >> I reported this before but it seems to be still ongoing issue.
> > I'm a bit puzzled by the issue you've mentioned regarding the DOCS on
>  the server. I thought it might be connected to the online
> documentation
> >> on
>  the web server, but it seems that part is working fine for the
> sections
> >> I
>  checked.
> > Could you provide more details about the problem? Is it related to a
>  Debian documentation package? If you have specific steps or commands
> to
>  recreate the error, please share them.
> > If someone else on this list can already

Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-14 Thread Marius 

Rod

Thanks for the reply. I am well aware that the OS is deprecated. It is 
maybe time that we get a new ISO then :)


The docs are not that important for a commercial machine. Operators 
don't read them. I will try your work around though.



On 2023/08/14 11:08, Rod Webster wrote:

Marius, I know your preference for the standard ISO. If you reread my
suggestions you will see I was specifically referring to 2.8 just for you
that might have solved your docs issue via a workaround.

Gene asked about Bookworm and I addressed some issues for him.

But despite you sticking with linuxcnc 2.8 until it is depreciated, the
operating system it's distributed on is well and truly depreciated..

There are many people who are forced to upgrade to a later OS due to lack
of driver support or because they want features that are not available in
2.8. Whilst 2.9 is now supported in the ISO, that was not always the case.
It was quite some time before 2.9/master became available on Buster
following the move to Python 3.x. Some of us responded to that by
abandoning the Buster ISO.

Rod Webster
*1300 896 832*
+61 435 765 611
Vehicle Modifications Network
www.vehiclemods.net.au


On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 at 18:27, Marius  wrote:


@Rod

Most non-guru users make use of the ISO and that is still on buster. The
new process using bookworm requires a lot of intervention that is not
easy for most folks to do. The simplest way is using the current ISO and
then use Synaptic Package Manager to upgrade to master branch. I think
most users will stay with that until it is deprecated.

On 2023/08/13 19:39, Rod Webster wrote:

@marius, There is a new buildbot Seb has built

http://buildbot2.highlab.com/

One solution would be to download the docs you want and install with sudo
dpkg -i
Alternatively, you could edit your sources to use them with apt. This is
described for Bookworm and 2.9 in the docs under heading #9 here.
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.9/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html
   If you wanted to get for say buster and master, you would need to

change

the echo statement to suit. I am not sure how the linuxcnc 2.8 iso does
this, you might need to review and update files in /etc/apt/sources.list
and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/

@gene, if you want to move forward to bookworm, the process is described

in

the 2.9 docs per the second link
The Raspberry pi is a bit of a problem as there is no new buildbot for

it.

Today, you would be better off using 64 bit arm64 instead of armhf (on a

pi

4b). Installing on bookworm is also described in the docs above. The gpio
was broken due to depreciation of the non standard method we used.  I

think

Andy has fixed that recently pending a new driver that uses the correct
method. But there is no alternative but to build from source on the pi to
obtain the latest versions as the bookworm image is locked by debian
policies at an earlier version. I was hoping that the new buildbot would
build Raspberry images using a cross compiler on AMD64 hardware as per

some

links I shared on Issue #2349
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/2349 Currently the old

buildbot

uses a pi to build everything which is not desirable moving forward.

Rod Webster
*1300 896 832*
+61 435 765 611
Vehicle Modifications Network
www.vehiclemods.net.au


On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 at 23:05, gene heskett  wrote:


On 8/13/23 05:17, Steffen M￶ller wrote:

Hello,


Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2023 um 09:38 Uhr
Von: "Marius" 

There seem to be a problem with the DOCS on the server. Upgrading is

not

possible if the docs are included as they just will not download at

all

or take many hours if they do download.

I reported this before but it seems to be still ongoing issue.

I'm a bit puzzled by the issue you've mentioned regarding the DOCS on

the server. I thought it might be connected to the online documentation

on

the web server, but it seems that part is working fine for the sections

I

checked.

Could you provide more details about the problem? Is it related to a

Debian documentation package? If you have specific steps or commands to
recreate the error, please share them.

If someone else on this list can already reproduce this issue, please

step forward :)

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. We're here to help, so the

more information you can give us, the better. With more details, I'm

sure

someone with expertise will come forward to address the issue.

Many thanks!
Steffen


I don't have the expertise, but I can report results.

Because I have no interest in languages I don't speak and there is no
way to build just the English docs. I am locked out of any upgrades as
I'm running buster, I cannot even build linuxcnc on bullseye because
bullseye's python is too new. This has been reported several times on
this list.

I normally, since I'm not a for profit shop, run master from the
buildbot, as a hobbiest I can afford to bleed occasionally, but the
buster in-release file has been removed from the buildbot

Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-14 Thread Rod Webster 
Marius, I know your preference for the standard ISO. If you reread my
suggestions you will see I was specifically referring to 2.8 just for you
that might have solved your docs issue via a workaround.

Gene asked about Bookworm and I addressed some issues for him.

But despite you sticking with linuxcnc 2.8 until it is depreciated, the
operating system it's distributed on is well and truly depreciated..

There are many people who are forced to upgrade to a later OS due to lack
of driver support or because they want features that are not available in
2.8. Whilst 2.9 is now supported in the ISO, that was not always the case.
It was quite some time before 2.9/master became available on Buster
following the move to Python 3.x. Some of us responded to that by
abandoning the Buster ISO.

Rod Webster
*1300 896 832*
+61 435 765 611
Vehicle Modifications Network
www.vehiclemods.net.au


On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 at 18:27, Marius  wrote:

> @Rod
>
> Most non-guru users make use of the ISO and that is still on buster. The
> new process using bookworm requires a lot of intervention that is not
> easy for most folks to do. The simplest way is using the current ISO and
> then use Synaptic Package Manager to upgrade to master branch. I think
> most users will stay with that until it is deprecated.
>
> On 2023/08/13 19:39, Rod Webster wrote:
> > @marius, There is a new buildbot Seb has built
> http://buildbot2.highlab.com/
> > One solution would be to download the docs you want and install with sudo
> > dpkg -i
> > Alternatively, you could edit your sources to use them with apt. This is
> > described for Bookworm and 2.9 in the docs under heading #9 here.
> > http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.9/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html
> >   If you wanted to get for say buster and master, you would need to
> change
> > the echo statement to suit. I am not sure how the linuxcnc 2.8 iso does
> > this, you might need to review and update files in /etc/apt/sources.list
> > and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
> >
> > @gene, if you want to move forward to bookworm, the process is described
> in
> > the 2.9 docs per the second link
> > The Raspberry pi is a bit of a problem as there is no new buildbot for
> it.
> > Today, you would be better off using 64 bit arm64 instead of armhf (on a
> pi
> > 4b). Installing on bookworm is also described in the docs above. The gpio
> > was broken due to depreciation of the non standard method we used.  I
> think
> > Andy has fixed that recently pending a new driver that uses the correct
> > method. But there is no alternative but to build from source on the pi to
> > obtain the latest versions as the bookworm image is locked by debian
> > policies at an earlier version. I was hoping that the new buildbot would
> > build Raspberry images using a cross compiler on AMD64 hardware as per
> some
> > links I shared on Issue #2349
> > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/2349 Currently the old
> buildbot
> > uses a pi to build everything which is not desirable moving forward.
> >
> > Rod Webster
> > *1300 896 832*
> > +61 435 765 611
> > Vehicle Modifications Network
> > www.vehiclemods.net.au
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 at 23:05, gene heskett  wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/13/23 05:17, Steffen M￶ller wrote:
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
>  Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2023 um 09:38 Uhr
>  Von: "Marius" 
> 
>  There seem to be a problem with the DOCS on the server. Upgrading is
> not
>  possible if the docs are included as they just will not download at
> all
>  or take many hours if they do download.
> 
>  I reported this before but it seems to be still ongoing issue.
> >>> I'm a bit puzzled by the issue you've mentioned regarding the DOCS on
> >> the server. I thought it might be connected to the online documentation
> on
> >> the web server, but it seems that part is working fine for the sections
> I
> >> checked.
> >>> Could you provide more details about the problem? Is it related to a
> >> Debian documentation package? If you have specific steps or commands to
> >> recreate the error, please share them.
> >>> If someone else on this list can already reproduce this issue, please
> >> step forward :)
> >>> Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. We're here to help, so the
> >> more information you can give us, the better. With more details, I'm
> sure
> >> someone with expertise will come forward to address the issue.
> >>> Many thanks!
> >>> Steffen
> >>>
> >> I don't have the expertise, but I can report results.
> >>
> >> Because I have no interest in languages I don't speak and there is no
> >> way to build just the English docs. I am locked out of any upgrades as
> >> I'm running buster, I cannot even build linuxcnc on bullseye because
> >> bullseye's python is too new. This has been reported several times on
> >> this list.
> >>
> >> I normally, since I'm not a for profit shop, run master from the
> >> buildbot, as a hobbiest I can afford to bleed occasionally, but the
> >> buster

Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-14 Thread Marius 

@Rod

Most non-guru users make use of the ISO and that is still on buster. The 
new process using bookworm requires a lot of intervention that is not 
easy for most folks to do. The simplest way is using the current ISO and 
then use Synaptic Package Manager to upgrade to master branch. I think 
most users will stay with that until it is deprecated.


On 2023/08/13 19:39, Rod Webster wrote:

@marius, There is a new buildbot Seb has built http://buildbot2.highlab.com/
One solution would be to download the docs you want and install with sudo
dpkg -i
Alternatively, you could edit your sources to use them with apt. This is
described for Bookworm and 2.9 in the docs under heading #9 here.
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.9/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html
  If you wanted to get for say buster and master, you would need to change
the echo statement to suit. I am not sure how the linuxcnc 2.8 iso does
this, you might need to review and update files in /etc/apt/sources.list
and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/

@gene, if you want to move forward to bookworm, the process is described in
the 2.9 docs per the second link
The Raspberry pi is a bit of a problem as there is no new buildbot for it.
Today, you would be better off using 64 bit arm64 instead of armhf (on a pi
4b). Installing on bookworm is also described in the docs above. The gpio
was broken due to depreciation of the non standard method we used.  I think
Andy has fixed that recently pending a new driver that uses the correct
method. But there is no alternative but to build from source on the pi to
obtain the latest versions as the bookworm image is locked by debian
policies at an earlier version. I was hoping that the new buildbot would
build Raspberry images using a cross compiler on AMD64 hardware as per some
links I shared on Issue #2349
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/2349 Currently the old buildbot
uses a pi to build everything which is not desirable moving forward.

Rod Webster
*1300 896 832*
+61 435 765 611
Vehicle Modifications Network
www.vehiclemods.net.au


On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 at 23:05, gene heskett  wrote:


On 8/13/23 05:17, Steffen M￶ller wrote:

Hello,


Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2023 um 09:38 Uhr
Von: "Marius" 

There seem to be a problem with the DOCS on the server. Upgrading is not
possible if the docs are included as they just will not download at all
or take many hours if they do download.

I reported this before but it seems to be still ongoing issue.

I'm a bit puzzled by the issue you've mentioned regarding the DOCS on

the server. I thought it might be connected to the online documentation on
the web server, but it seems that part is working fine for the sections I
checked.

Could you provide more details about the problem? Is it related to a

Debian documentation package? If you have specific steps or commands to
recreate the error, please share them.

If someone else on this list can already reproduce this issue, please

step forward :)

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. We're here to help, so the

more information you can give us, the better. With more details, I'm sure
someone with expertise will come forward to address the issue.

Many thanks!
Steffen


I don't have the expertise, but I can report results.

Because I have no interest in languages I don't speak and there is no
way to build just the English docs. I am locked out of any upgrades as
I'm running buster, I cannot even build linuxcnc on bullseye because
bullseye's python is too new. This has been reported several times on
this list.

I normally, since I'm not a for profit shop, run master from the
buildbot, as a hobbiest I can afford to bleed occasionally, but the
buster in-release file has been removed from the buildbot for armhf,
disabling my access to the buildbot's output for buster master.

So I'm back to running some scripts here that duplicate the buildbot,
including building install-able debs. But something has gone wrong and
the installed debs, which run just fine, now break apt, and the only
solution is to fix-broken, which will remove the debs my pi just spent
40 minutes building and 3 minutes installing.

I can after that, probably install bookworm and then install linuxcnc,
v2.9.0 from the bookworm repo's.

But that is not the point Steffan, because I'm not a for profit user,
I've been playing canary in the coal mine, running master for almost 20
years, reporting unseen bugs as I've encountered them, my contribution
to the stability of linuxcnc.  These guy's are good, I've only reported
a failure twice in that time frame. OTOH my test is just to see if it
runs from a shell so I don't catch everything.

So at present, I can't build the docs because my machine does not have
the resources installed to build all the languages that have been added
in the last 2 years.  I could probably install them if I had a list of
what's needed. But its also time to install bookworm. A different kettle
of fish entirely.

Lets assume I install

Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-13 Thread gene heskett 

On 8/13/23 13:40, Rod Webster wrote:

@marius, There is a new buildbot Seb has built http://buildbot2.highlab.com/
One solution would be to download the docs you want and install with sudo
dpkg -i
Alternatively, you could edit your sources to use them with apt. This is
described for Bookworm and 2.9 in the docs under heading #9 here.
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.9/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html
  If you wanted to get for say buster and master, you would need to change
the echo statement to suit. I am not sure how the linuxcnc 2.8 iso does
this, you might need to review and update files in /etc/apt/sources.list
and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
That looks complex but doable. Printed FFR. I'll see what I can do, 
thanks a bunch Rod.  Take care and stay well.


@gene, if you want to move forward to bookworm, the process is described in
the 2.9 docs per the second link
The Raspberry pi is a bit of a problem as there is no new buildbot for it.
Today, you would be better off using 64 bit arm64 instead of armhf (on a pi
4b). Installing on bookworm is also described in the docs above. The gpio
was broken due to depreciation of the non standard method we used.  I think
Andy has fixed that recently pending a new driver that uses the correct
method. But there is no alternative but to build from source on the pi to
obtain the latest versions as the bookworm image is locked by debian
policies at an earlier version. I was hoping that the new buildbot would
build Raspberry images using a cross compiler on AMD64 hardware as per some
links I shared on Issue #2349
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/2349 Currently the old buildbot
uses a pi to build everything which is not desirable moving forward.

Rod Webster
*1300 896 832*
+61 435 765 611
Vehicle Modifications Network
www.vehiclemods.net.au


On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 at 23:05, gene heskett  wrote:


On 8/13/23 05:17, Steffen M￶ller wrote:

Hello,


Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2023 um 09:38 Uhr
Von: "Marius" 

There seem to be a problem with the DOCS on the server. Upgrading is not
possible if the docs are included as they just will not download at all
or take many hours if they do download.

I reported this before but it seems to be still ongoing issue.


I'm a bit puzzled by the issue you've mentioned regarding the DOCS on

the server. I thought it might be connected to the online documentation on
the web server, but it seems that part is working fine for the sections I
checked.


Could you provide more details about the problem? Is it related to a

Debian documentation package? If you have specific steps or commands to
recreate the error, please share them.


If someone else on this list can already reproduce this issue, please

step forward :)


Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. We're here to help, so the

more information you can give us, the better. With more details, I'm sure
someone with expertise will come forward to address the issue.


Many thanks!
Steffen



I don't have the expertise, but I can report results.

Because I have no interest in languages I don't speak and there is no
way to build just the English docs. I am locked out of any upgrades as
I'm running buster, I cannot even build linuxcnc on bullseye because
bullseye's python is too new. This has been reported several times on
this list.

I normally, since I'm not a for profit shop, run master from the
buildbot, as a hobbiest I can afford to bleed occasionally, but the
buster in-release file has been removed from the buildbot for armhf,
disabling my access to the buildbot's output for buster master.

So I'm back to running some scripts here that duplicate the buildbot,
including building install-able debs. But something has gone wrong and
the installed debs, which run just fine, now break apt, and the only
solution is to fix-broken, which will remove the debs my pi just spent
40 minutes building and 3 minutes installing.

I can after that, probably install bookworm and then install linuxcnc,
v2.9.0 from the bookworm repo's.

But that is not the point Steffan, because I'm not a for profit user,
I've been playing canary in the coal mine, running master for almost 20
years, reporting unseen bugs as I've encountered them, my contribution
to the stability of linuxcnc.  These guy's are good, I've only reported
a failure twice in that time frame. OTOH my test is just to see if it
runs from a shell so I don't catch everything.

So at present, I can't build the docs because my machine does not have
the resources installed to build all the languages that have been added
in the last 2 years.  I could probably install them if I had a list of
what's needed. But its also time to install bookworm. A different kettle
of fish entirely.

Lets assume I install bookworm, first on my wintel stuff. But is the
plan to lock up the buildbot now that linuxcnc is officially in debian?
IDK. If that is the case, my canary just died.

And because the buster in-release file has been deleted, synaptic nor
apt

Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-13 Thread Rod Webster 
@marius, There is a new buildbot Seb has built http://buildbot2.highlab.com/
One solution would be to download the docs you want and install with sudo
dpkg -i
Alternatively, you could edit your sources to use them with apt. This is
described for Bookworm and 2.9 in the docs under heading #9 here.
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.9/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html
 If you wanted to get for say buster and master, you would need to change
the echo statement to suit. I am not sure how the linuxcnc 2.8 iso does
this, you might need to review and update files in /etc/apt/sources.list
and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/

@gene, if you want to move forward to bookworm, the process is described in
the 2.9 docs per the second link
The Raspberry pi is a bit of a problem as there is no new buildbot for it.
Today, you would be better off using 64 bit arm64 instead of armhf (on a pi
4b). Installing on bookworm is also described in the docs above. The gpio
was broken due to depreciation of the non standard method we used.  I think
Andy has fixed that recently pending a new driver that uses the correct
method. But there is no alternative but to build from source on the pi to
obtain the latest versions as the bookworm image is locked by debian
policies at an earlier version. I was hoping that the new buildbot would
build Raspberry images using a cross compiler on AMD64 hardware as per some
links I shared on Issue #2349
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/2349 Currently the old buildbot
uses a pi to build everything which is not desirable moving forward.

Rod Webster
*1300 896 832*
+61 435 765 611
Vehicle Modifications Network
www.vehiclemods.net.au


On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 at 23:05, gene heskett  wrote:

> On 8/13/23 05:17, Steffen M￶ller wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2023 um 09:38 Uhr
> >> Von: "Marius" 
> >>
> >> There seem to be a problem with the DOCS on the server. Upgrading is not
> >> possible if the docs are included as they just will not download at all
> >> or take many hours if they do download.
> >>
> >> I reported this before but it seems to be still ongoing issue.
> >
> > I'm a bit puzzled by the issue you've mentioned regarding the DOCS on
> the server. I thought it might be connected to the online documentation on
> the web server, but it seems that part is working fine for the sections I
> checked.
> >
> > Could you provide more details about the problem? Is it related to a
> Debian documentation package? If you have specific steps or commands to
> recreate the error, please share them.
> >
> > If someone else on this list can already reproduce this issue, please
> step forward :)
> >
> > Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. We're here to help, so the
> more information you can give us, the better. With more details, I'm sure
> someone with expertise will come forward to address the issue.
> >
> > Many thanks!
> > Steffen
> >
>
> I don't have the expertise, but I can report results.
>
> Because I have no interest in languages I don't speak and there is no
> way to build just the English docs. I am locked out of any upgrades as
> I'm running buster, I cannot even build linuxcnc on bullseye because
> bullseye's python is too new. This has been reported several times on
> this list.
>
> I normally, since I'm not a for profit shop, run master from the
> buildbot, as a hobbiest I can afford to bleed occasionally, but the
> buster in-release file has been removed from the buildbot for armhf,
> disabling my access to the buildbot's output for buster master.
>
> So I'm back to running some scripts here that duplicate the buildbot,
> including building install-able debs. But something has gone wrong and
> the installed debs, which run just fine, now break apt, and the only
> solution is to fix-broken, which will remove the debs my pi just spent
> 40 minutes building and 3 minutes installing.
>
> I can after that, probably install bookworm and then install linuxcnc,
> v2.9.0 from the bookworm repo's.
>
> But that is not the point Steffan, because I'm not a for profit user,
> I've been playing canary in the coal mine, running master for almost 20
> years, reporting unseen bugs as I've encountered them, my contribution
> to the stability of linuxcnc.  These guy's are good, I've only reported
> a failure twice in that time frame. OTOH my test is just to see if it
> runs from a shell so I don't catch everything.
>
> So at present, I can't build the docs because my machine does not have
> the resources installed to build all the languages that have been added
> in the last 2 years.  I could probably install them if I had a list of
> what's needed. But its also time to install bookworm. A different kettle
> of fish entirely.
>
> Lets assume I install bookworm, first on my wintel stuff. But is the
> plan to lock up the buildbot now that linuxcnc is officially in debian?
> IDK. If that is the case, my canary just died.
>
> And because the buster in-release file has been deleted, synaptic

Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-13 Thread gene heskett 

On 8/13/23 05:17, Steffen Möller wrote:

Hello,


Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2023 um 09:38 Uhr
Von: "Marius" 

There seem to be a problem with the DOCS on the server. Upgrading is not
possible if the docs are included as they just will not download at all
or take many hours if they do download.

I reported this before but it seems to be still ongoing issue.


I'm a bit puzzled by the issue you've mentioned regarding the DOCS on the 
server. I thought it might be connected to the online documentation on the web 
server, but it seems that part is working fine for the sections I checked.

Could you provide more details about the problem? Is it related to a Debian 
documentation package? If you have specific steps or commands to recreate the 
error, please share them.

If someone else on this list can already reproduce this issue, please step 
forward :)

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. We're here to help, so the more 
information you can give us, the better. With more details, I'm sure someone 
with expertise will come forward to address the issue.

Many thanks!
Steffen



I don't have the expertise, but I can report results.

Because I have no interest in languages I don't speak and there is no 
way to build just the English docs. I am locked out of any upgrades as 
I'm running buster, I cannot even build linuxcnc on bullseye because 
bullseye's python is too new. This has been reported several times on 
this list.


I normally, since I'm not a for profit shop, run master from the 
buildbot, as a hobbiest I can afford to bleed occasionally, but the 
buster in-release file has been removed from the buildbot for armhf, 
disabling my access to the buildbot's output for buster master.


So I'm back to running some scripts here that duplicate the buildbot, 
including building install-able debs. But something has gone wrong and 
the installed debs, which run just fine, now break apt, and the only 
solution is to fix-broken, which will remove the debs my pi just spent 
40 minutes building and 3 minutes installing.


I can after that, probably install bookworm and then install linuxcnc, 
v2.9.0 from the bookworm repo's.


But that is not the point Steffan, because I'm not a for profit user, 
I've been playing canary in the coal mine, running master for almost 20 
years, reporting unseen bugs as I've encountered them, my contribution 
to the stability of linuxcnc.  These guy's are good, I've only reported 
a failure twice in that time frame. OTOH my test is just to see if it 
runs from a shell so I don't catch everything.


So at present, I can't build the docs because my machine does not have 
the resources installed to build all the languages that have been added 
in the last 2 years.  I could probably install them if I had a list of 
what's needed. But its also time to install bookworm. A different kettle 
of fish entirely.


Lets assume I install bookworm, first on my wintel stuff. But is the 
plan to lock up the buildbot now that linuxcnc is officially in debian? 
IDK. If that is the case, my canary just died.


And because the buster in-release file has been deleted, synaptic nor 
apt will touch the buildbots output for armhf.


I can still do a git pull and build linuxcnc, install and run it, but 
that breaks apt, and now tha docs are locked away. So what do I do to 
restore my access to the docs?


I should also point out that my 3 wintel busters running on old Dell's 
are still getting all 4 master updates from the buildbot as of this 
morning, only the armhf build seems to be affected.


Thank you, take care & stay well, Steffan.




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Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-13 Thread Marius 

Hi Steffen

The process is very simple. I use the Synaptic Package Manager to 
install and update from http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org, dist:- buster and 
repository is master-rtpreempt.


All the files are downloaded fine but none of the doc files want to 
download. The process just hangs while waiting for the doc file and then 
after many timed-out attempts it will fail. This happens for en, de, fr 
docs. None other are selected for installation. These are the standard 
ones I think.



On 2023/08/13 11:16, Steffen Möller wrote:

Hello,


Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2023 um 09:38 Uhr
Von: "Marius" 

There seem to be a problem with the DOCS on the server. Upgrading is not
possible if the docs are included as they just will not download at all
or take many hours if they do download.

I reported this before but it seems to be still ongoing issue.

I'm a bit puzzled by the issue you've mentioned regarding the DOCS on the 
server. I thought it might be connected to the online documentation on the web 
server, but it seems that part is working fine for the sections I checked.

Could you provide more details about the problem? Is it related to a Debian 
documentation package? If you have specific steps or commands to recreate the 
error, please share them.

If someone else on this list can already reproduce this issue, please step 
forward :)

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. We're here to help, so the more 
information you can give us, the better. With more details, I'm sure someone 
with expertise will come forward to address the issue.

Many thanks!
Steffen



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Re: [Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-13 Thread Steffen Möller 
Hello,

> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2023 um 09:38 Uhr
> Von: "Marius" 
>
> There seem to be a problem with the DOCS on the server. Upgrading is not
> possible if the docs are included as they just will not download at all
> or take many hours if they do download.
>
> I reported this before but it seems to be still ongoing issue.

I'm a bit puzzled by the issue you've mentioned regarding the DOCS on the 
server. I thought it might be connected to the online documentation on the web 
server, but it seems that part is working fine for the sections I checked.

Could you provide more details about the problem? Is it related to a Debian 
documentation package? If you have specific steps or commands to recreate the 
error, please share them.

If someone else on this list can already reproduce this issue, please step 
forward :)

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. We're here to help, so the more 
information you can give us, the better. With more details, I'm sure someone 
with expertise will come forward to address the issue.

Many thanks!
Steffen



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[Emc-developers] Downloading of DOCS still an issue

2023-08-11 Thread Marius 
There seem to be a problem with the DOCS on the server. Upgrading is not 
possible if the docs are included as they just will not download at all 
or take many hours if they do download.


I reported this before but it seems to be still ongoing issue.



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