Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-03-03 Thread Mark Wendt
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 07:17:32 -0500, you wrote: Leave it to Windoze to turn off important hardware. About the only time that should apply is on a laptop when not plugged in or docked. If that's a default setting,

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-03-02 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 21:19:06 -0500, you wrote: I've had a number of problems when plugging into industrial devices that have a USB interface. The lack of isolation is oftentimes a problem. Othertimes my laptop will confuse the industrial device with another common USB device like a stick

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-03-02 Thread Mark Wendt
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 18:15:29 +0100, you wrote: When I've learned something about hardware interfaces and reliability in the past two or three years then it is to stay as far away from USB as possible whenever

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-03-02 Thread Philipp Burch
Hi Steve, hi everyone! On 03/02/2014 12:41 AM, Steve Blackmore wrote: On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 18:15:29 +0100, you wrote: When I've learned something about hardware interfaces and reliability in the past two or three years then it is to stay as far away from USB as possible whenever something else

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-03-02 Thread Dave Cole
I agree! And this is why USB has issues! :-( Dave On 3/2/2014 8:37 AM, Philipp Burch wrote: Hi Steve, hi everyone! On 03/02/2014 12:41 AM, Steve Blackmore wrote: On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 18:15:29 +0100, you wrote: When I've learned something about hardware interfaces and reliability in the

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-03-02 Thread Dave Cole
On 3/2/2014 3:20 AM, Steve Blackmore wrote: On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 21:19:06 -0500, you wrote: I've had a number of problems when plugging into industrial devices that have a USB interface. The lack of isolation is oftentimes a problem. Othertimes my laptop will confuse the industrial device

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-03-02 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 07:17:32 -0500, you wrote: Leave it to Windoze to turn off important hardware. About the only time that should apply is on a laptop when not plugged in or docked. If that's a default setting, that's just stupid. Yup How do they implement wake-on-lan if they power down the

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-03-01 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 16:31:43 -0800, you wrote: On 02/28/2014 04:10 PM, Steve Blackmore wrote: ... snip There is virtually no limits to program lengths since tape died so writing subs isn't necessary to save space and serves no other purpose other than living in the 80's (or earlier :) Steve

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-03-01 Thread Dave Cole
On 2/28/2014 12:24 PM, Eric Keller wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:41 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: I could be persuaded to have some sympathy for this viewpoint, actually. If G-code simply moved axes in absolute machine space and everything else was done in the pre-processor

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-03-01 Thread Dave Cole
On 2/28/2014 7:20 PM, Steve Blackmore wrote: On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 10:47:45 -0500, you wrote: The original Smooth Stepper also suffered from USB issues which seemed to be related to grounding or isolation issues?? It had a design problem on the board with a built in ground loop. It caused the

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-03-01 Thread Dave Cole
On 3/1/2014 4:52 AM, Steve Blackmore wrote: On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 16:31:43 -0800, you wrote: On 02/28/2014 04:10 PM, Steve Blackmore wrote: ... snip There is virtually no limits to program lengths since tape died so writing subs isn't necessary to save space and serves no other purpose other

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-03-01 Thread Philipp Burch
Hi all! - Original message - On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 10:47:45 -0500, you wrote: The original Smooth Stepper also suffered from USB issues which seemed to be related to grounding or isolation issues?? It had a design problem on the board with a built in ground loop. It caused the

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-03-01 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 11:38:38 -0500, you wrote: What control are you running your router with? It is not LinuxCNC or Mach3, correct? Are you happy with it? Using an EdingCNC CPU5B, it works very well - on USB or ethernet ;) Steve Blackmore --

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-03-01 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 18:15:29 +0100, you wrote: When I've learned something about hardware interfaces and reliability in the past two or three years then it is to stay as far away from USB as possible whenever something else than a classical HID (Mouse, keyboard, flash drive, etc.) should be

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-03-01 Thread Dave Cole
I've had a number of problems when plugging into industrial devices that have a USB interface. The lack of isolation is oftentimes a problem. Othertimes my laptop will confuse the industrial device with another common USB device like a stick drive, even if the driver for the industrial device

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Michael Haberler
Am 28.02.2014 um 03:35 schrieb John Alexander Stewart ivatt...@gmail.com: Ok - can anyone remind me *why* the Printrboard is not a good thing to interface with LinuxCNC? looks like a neat I/O octopus I had a short (ie non-exhaustive) look at the firmware for this board I have the

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Michael Haberler
correction: Am 28.02.2014 um 09:10 schrieb Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at: I could imagine a firmware solution which does the link between LinuxCNC and this board over SPI, like Gemi's picnc outboard - that would likely work a lot better I dont think an SPI-based firmware solution for

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread John Alexander Stewart
Michael; Ah - grbl-like input. Makes sense, and I can see how it would not work so well for LinuxCNC. The question, then, is how come Mach3 can have USB cabling, but LinuxCNC can't? (see the KX* mills from Arc Eurotrade in the UK; now with USB input) Related: What commands are sent over the USB

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Michael Haberler
Am 28.02.2014 um 14:19 schrieb John Alexander Stewart ivatt...@gmail.com: Michael; Ah - grbl-like input. Makes sense, and I can see how it would not work so well for LinuxCNC. The question, then, is how come Mach3 can have USB cabling, but LinuxCNC can't? (see the KX* mills from Arc

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2014-02-28 15:19 GMT+02:00 John Alexander Stewart ivatt...@gmail.com: Michael; Ah - grbl-like input. Makes sense, and I can see how it would not work so well for LinuxCNC. The question, then, is how come Mach3 can have USB cabling, but LinuxCNC can't? (see the KX* mills from Arc Eurotrade

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
On 2/28/2014 7:19 AM, John Alexander Stewart wrote: Michael; Ah - grbl-like input. Makes sense, and I can see how it would not work so well for LinuxCNC. The question, then, is how come Mach3 can have USB cabling, but LinuxCNC can't? (see the KX* mills from Arc Eurotrade in the UK; now

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread andy pugh
On 28 February 2014 13:36, Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at wrote: The question, then, is how come Mach3 can have USB cabling, but LinuxCNC can't? (see the KX* mills from Arc Eurotrade in the UK; now with USB input) I have no idea about that API uses over USB, but I'd be curious There is

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Michael Haberler
Am 28.02.2014 um 14:39 schrieb Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com: 2014-02-28 15:19 GMT+02:00 John Alexander Stewart ivatt...@gmail.com: Michael; Ah - grbl-like input. Makes sense, and I can see how it would not work so well for LinuxCNC. The question, then, is how come Mach3 can

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread John Alexander Stewart
Sightly hijacking my own thread, In doing more reading, I found the following text of interest: (ref: http://www.shapeoko.com/wiki/index.php/Grbl) It accepts standards-compliant G-code and has been tested with the output of several CAM tools with no problems. Arcs, circles and helical motion

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread John Alexander Stewart
Andy; There is a clue on page 26 here: http://www.warp9td.com/documentation/SmoothStepperUserManualV1.0.pdf Funny! :-) John. -- Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic,

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Dave Cole
Mach3 exposes a circular buffer of time - position movement data via the Mach3 plug in interface. There used to be some sample code on the Mach3 support website. If you can't find it, I have it, and then some. I did a motion plug in for Mach3 several years ago. Using the buffered data, it is

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Steve Stallings
) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC On 28 February 2014 13:36, Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at wrote: The question, then, is how come Mach3 can have USB cabling, but LinuxCNC can't? (see the KX* mills from Arc Eurotrade in the UK; now with USB input) I have

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Dave Cole
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC On 28 February 2014 13:36, Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at wrote: The question, then, is how come Mach3 can have USB cabling, but LinuxCNC can't? (see the KX* mills from Arc Eurotrade in the UK; now

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Steve Stallings
[mailto:linuxcncro...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 10:48 AM To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC The original Smooth Stepper also suffered from USB issues which seemed to be related to grounding or isolation issues?? Steve probably

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 28 February 2014 11:12:50 John Alexander Stewart did opine: Sightly hijacking my own thread, In doing more reading, I found the following text of interest: (ref: http://www.shapeoko.com/wiki/index.php/Grbl) It accepts standards-compliant G-code and has been tested with the

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread andy pugh
On 28 February 2014 14:27, John Alexander Stewart ivatt...@gmail.comwrote: ut no support for tool offsets, functions or variables as these are apocryphal and fell into disuse after humans left G-code authoring to machines some time in the 80s. I could be persuaded to have some sympathy for

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/28/2014 07:19 AM, John Alexander Stewart wrote: Michael; Ah - grbl-like input. Makes sense, and I can see how it would not work so well for LinuxCNC. The question, then, is how come Mach3 can have USB cabling, but LinuxCNC can't? (see the KX* mills from Arc Eurotrade in the UK; now

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Eric Keller
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:41 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: I could be persuaded to have some sympathy for this viewpoint, actually. If G-code simply moved axes in absolute machine space and everything else was done in the pre-processor then thing would be a great deal simpler. I'm

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2014-02-28 16:25 GMT+02:00 Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at: What needs to be done, and Yishin did, is push down the syncing operation from the tp into the segment execution level, so it can be handled on such an 'outboard'. Thanks for the clarification! So do I understand correctly that

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Michael Haberler
Am 28.02.2014 um 19:01 schrieb Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com: 2014-02-28 16:25 GMT+02:00 Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at: What needs to be done, and Yishin did, is push down the syncing operation from the tp into the segment execution level, so it can be handled on such an

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread John Alexander Stewart
Andy; I could be persuaded to have some sympathy for this viewpoint, actually. If G-code simply moved axes in absolute machine space and everything else was done in the pre-processor then thing would be a great deal simpler. I wonder what will happen when they get *two* extruders going

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
On 2/28/2014 12:49 PM, John Alexander Stewart wrote: Andy; I could be persuaded to have some sympathy for this viewpoint, actually. If G-code simply moved axes in absolute machine space and everything else was done in the pre-processor then thing would be a great deal simpler. I wonder

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 28 February 2014 15:55:57 Charles Steinkuehler did opine: On 2/28/2014 12:49 PM, John Alexander Stewart wrote: Andy; I could be persuaded to have some sympathy for this viewpoint, actually. If G-code simply moved axes in absolute machine space and everything else was

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 11:21:49 -0500, you wrote: IMO machine generated code CAN be useful, if you have memory resources enough to handle it. But I often carve my own code, making liberal use of subroutines. I've got one short proggy, maybe 90 LOC, that takes 2 days to run. I have yet to

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 10:47:45 -0500, you wrote: The original Smooth Stepper also suffered from USB issues which seemed to be related to grounding or isolation issues?? It had a design problem on the board with a built in ground loop. It caused the USB to loose the link frequently for some. Twas

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 02/28/2014 04:10 PM, Steve Blackmore wrote: ... snip There is virtually no limits to program lengths since tape died so writing subs isn't necessary to save space and serves no other purpose other than living in the 80's (or earlier :) Steve Blackmore I tend to agree. I have the loops in

Re: [Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 28 February 2014 19:50:11 Steve Blackmore did opine: On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 11:21:49 -0500, you wrote: IMO machine generated code CAN be useful, if you have memory resources enough to handle it. But I often carve my own code, making liberal use of subroutines. I've got one short

[Emc-users] Printrboard and LinuxCNC

2014-02-27 Thread John Alexander Stewart
Ok - can anyone remind me *why* the Printrboard is not a good thing to interface with LinuxCNC? Background - I have a Printrbot Simple kit that I'm taking away on an Internet-free weekend, to install. So, I have been installing the software for slicing and dicing, and for controlling this board.