Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment

2012-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2012, at 17:55, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Keep in mind that I use the compatibilist definition of free will, which is the (machine) ability to exploits its self- indetermination (with indetermination in the Turing sense,

Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment

2012-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2012, at 17:55, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Keep in mind that I use the compatibilist definition of free will, which is the (machine) ability to exploits its self- indetermination (with indetermination in the Turing sense,

Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.10.2012 01:46 Russell Standish said the following: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 12:16:06PM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Another question here would be who will divide the state space to a bacterium and environment. Let us imagine that we have implemented somehow a bacterium in Game of Life (or

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Aug 2012, at 23:48, John Mikes wrote: Let me try to shorten the maze and copy only whatever I want to reflect to. Sorry if it causes hardship - JM - On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 08 Aug 2012, at 23:00, John Mikes wrote: On Wed,

Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-14 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:55:59AM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.10.2012 01:46 Russell Standish said the following: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 12:16:06PM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Another question here would be who will divide the state space to a bacterium and environment. Let us imagine

autopoesis

2012-10-14 Thread Roger Clough
Autopoesis is a useful definition for life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopoiesis Autopoiesis (from Greek a?to- (auto-), meaning self, and p???s?? (poiesis), meaning creation, production) literally means self-creation and expresses a fundamental dialectic among structure, mechanism and

Re: autopoesis

2012-10-14 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Roger, On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Autopoesis is a useful definition for life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopoiesis Autopoiesis (from Greek a?to- (auto-), meaning self, and p???s?? (poiesis), meaning creation, production) literally

Re: Re: Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if ratherthanis

2012-10-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:46:38 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Yes, the Big Bang is a program. There are initial conditions and rules that lead deterministically to the unfolding of the entire

Which of Our Basic Physical Assumptions Are Wrong?

2012-10-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Contest by FQXi http://www.fqxi.org/community/essay Click Read the contest entries to find it out. Evgenii -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe

Re: My First Televised Interview

2012-10-14 Thread Jason Resch
Craig, Congratulations. I think the episode is very good. To me, your ideas come though a lot more clearly in this media than in text. Jason On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: Well, local community TV anyways. Jose is a great host, producer, and

Re: Continuous Game of Life

2012-10-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, October 14, 2012 1:04:54 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: No, he does NOT assume this. He assumes the opposite: that consciousness is a property of the brain and CANNOT be reproduced by

Re: Re: Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if ratherthanis

2012-10-14 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: But if a computer beats you at an intelligent task, it would have to be programmed to do so. And you would have to be educated to do so. which means that its intelligence would be that of the programmer. Then how can the

Re: Re: Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if ratherthanis

2012-10-14 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: you can see from the differences between conjoined twins, who have the same nature and nurture, the same environment, that they are not the same people That is true they are not the same people, and just like EVERYTHING else

Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment

2012-10-14 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 4:46 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: And lets not forget those who insist that in order to qualify as free will the conscious choice must not be done for a reason AND it must not not be done for a reason. Why? They are inconsistent Very inconsistent!

Re: Re: Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if ratherthanis

2012-10-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, October 14, 2012 1:42:40 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: you can see from the differences between conjoined twins, who have the same nature and nurture, the same environment, that they are not the same

Re: My First Televised Interview

2012-10-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
Thanks Jason! Yes, I agree. It's hard for me to try to remember which ideas need to have what kind of trail of breadcrumbs to get to. In text I am kind of exploring new ideas and explaining the other ideas at the same time, so I'm not as focused on bridging the gap to a general audience. It

Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if ratherthanis

2012-10-14 Thread meekerdb
On 10/14/2012 10:36 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net mailto:rclo...@verizon.net wrote: But if a computer beats you at an intelligent task, it would have to be programmed to do so. And you would have to be educated to do so. which

Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if ratherthanis

2012-10-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, October 14, 2012 2:19:14 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/14/2012 10:36 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 Roger Clough rcl...@verizon.net javascript:wrote: But if a computer beats you at an intelligent task, it would have to be programmed to do so. And you would

Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-14 Thread Roger Clough
Computational Autopoetics is a term I just coined to denote applying basic concepts of autopoetics to the field of comp. You mathematicians are free to do it more justice than I can. I cannot guarantee that the idea hasn't already been exploited, but I have seen no indication of that. The

Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if ratherthanis

2012-10-14 Thread meekerdb
On 10/14/2012 11:36 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, October 14, 2012 2:19:14 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/14/2012 10:36 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 Roger Clough rcl...@verizon.net javascript: wrote: But if a computer beats you at an intelligent task, it

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-14 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:44:11PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: Computational Autopoetics is a term I just coined to denote applying basic concepts of autopoetics to the field of comp. You mathematicians are free to do it more justice than I can. I cannot guarantee that the idea hasn't