On 10 March 2014 17:39, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
If I ask you to measure the value of alpha to 5 significant places,
and I was to measure the same thing, then we can compare
notes. Intrasubjective consistency predicts that we should get the
same numerical value.
On 3/9/2014 8:14 PM, LizR wrote:
On 10 March 2014 15:09, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Decoherence is what I described above. It's tracing over the environment
variables,
having selected what counts as environment and what as instrument/observer,
I would imagine the reason we only perceive one reality is because the
brain (and body) are classical, which almost begs the question of course,
but it means that whatever causes macro-objects to generally behave
classically also applies to the brain. (And the senses - if the eyes are
classical,
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 07:03:30PM +1300, LizR wrote:
On 10 March 2014 17:39, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
If I ask you to measure the value of alpha to 5 significant places,
and I was to measure the same thing, then we can compare
notes. Intrasubjective consistency
On 7 March 2014 15:46, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
If the doctor became more ambitious, and decided to replace a species with
a simulation, we have a ready example of what it might be like. Cars have
replaced the functionality of horses in human society. They reproduce in a
On 10 Mar 2014, at 4:30 am, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
Although I have very little good to say about Malcolm McLaren he did arguably
launch a whole new musical experience with the Sex Pistols, a type of music
which had until then only been underground (Rezillos? B52s ?) but bubbled to
On 10 March 2014 22:51, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
Well my answer to solipsism is generally along the lines of worlds
that have evolved from simpler beginnings will have much higher
measure than worlds in which we pop out of the air fully formed
(Boltzmann brain like).
you are saying that something musically significant happened here
Something significant happened to pop music for sure.
In 1977 the charts were dominated by David Soul, Rod Stewart, Brotherhood of
Man, Leo Sayer, Hot Chocolate, Boney M, Shawaddywaddy and Billy Ocean. Daddy
Cool. Rockin' All
On 09 Mar 2014, at 00:53, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/8/2014 3:41 PM, LizR wrote:
On 9 March 2014 08:50, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 3/8/2014 12:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The existence of the UD is a consequence of elementary axioms in
arithmetic (like x+0=x, etc.).
I can't hardly
On 09 Mar 2014, at 00:58, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
wrote:
Hi everyone,
Just want to let everyone know that the English translation of Buno
Marchal's The Amoeba's Secret is now available from Amazon's Kindle
I understood, what you were going for, but I hit back on old, Chris, because he
changed the conversation to invective-which I am ok with. No big deal, but I
hit back. Secondly, the nice guys, the progressives world-wide, tend to become
more and more oppressive as time goes by. Use a problem
On 09 Mar 2014, at 19:32, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/9/2014 12:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Mar 2014, at 06:16, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/7/2014 8:26 PM, LizR wrote:
On 8 March 2014 08:14, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 3/7/2014 1:24 AM, LizR wrote:
On 7 March 2014 18:29, meekerdb
On 09 Mar 2014, at 19:47, Jesse Mazer wrote:
And take a look at the temperature at zero years ago, does it look
colder or hotter than the average for the last 600 million years?
Of course in the long term, life will be able to adapt to whatever
rise in temperature is caused by global
On Saturday, March 8, 2014 2:37:50 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote:
A couple other accounts of how things might be that I take seriously are
(1) physicalism in the sense that arithmetical propositions might only be
true when physically realized,
No problem, and indeed this would make comp
Question for you Bruno:.
You say (with help from Theaetetus) that 1p experience is given by Bp p.
Yet, our experience is often deluded, as in optical illusions, or in
various kinds of emotional psychological denial. Can we ever really say
that our knowledge, even 1p experience, refers to
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On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:41 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
If only we all thought like you, the world would be fixed, eh?
Concerning that I think I'll just quote Gore Vidal: there is no human
problem which could not be solved if people would simply do as I advise.
Or, if the climate change
It's this one http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0312059v4.pdf which I think is his doctoral
thesis. He later expanded it into a book.
Brent
On 3/10/2014 12:14 AM, LizR wrote:
I would imagine the reason we only perceive one reality is because the brain (and body)
are classical, which almost begs
Over a sustained time, 17 years, its no longer a hockey stick, it is climate.
Because you observe weather and confuse it with climate
Chris
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According to Chris, Climate is not the weather or the local weather. So if
this suggestion is correct, its local anomalies over the years, driven onward,
by El Nino' or La Nina' ? According to a report released, last week, by the
Royal Climate Group and the US national academy of sciences, a
On Monday, March 10, 2014 5:48:42 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On 7 March 2014 15:46, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
If the doctor became more ambitious, and decided to replace a species
with a simulation, we have a ready example of what it might be like. Cars
have
On 09 Mar 2014, at 21:46, LizR wrote:
On 10 March 2014 02:15, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Russell,
Yes, but that is crazy because it assumes all theories are equally
valid with which I disagree. Science selects theories based on which
best explain the observable universe.
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:31 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
According to Chris, Climate is not the weather or the local weather. So
if this suggestion is correct, its local anomalies over the years, driven
onward, by El Nino' or La Nina' ? According to a report released, last
week, by the
On 10 Mar 2014, at 01:17, chris peck wrote:
Hi Bruno
With respect to the UDA, graves and me are just using
different vocabulary.
Really?
the last time I quoted her:
What ... should Alice expect to see? Here I invoke the
following premise: whatever she knows she will
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote:
That looks like a pretty crappy match to me. What the hell happened 450
million years ago? And why did the CO2 start to drop 150 million years ago
but the temperature start to climb at the same time?
I suspect you are
On Sunday, March 9, 2014 4:31:07 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
Let me try that again:
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 11:08 AM, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
There's no plausible theory by which clouds could nullify the
warming caused by increased CO2
If not clouds it's crystal clear
Nice to see you treat it this way.
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 09 Mar 2014, at 21:46, LizR wrote:
On 10 March 2014 02:15, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Russell,
Yes, but that is crazy because it assumes all theories are equally
On 10 Mar 2014, at 02:15, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/9/2014 5:36 PM, LizR wrote:
Surely QM + collapse makes the prediction that there is a mechanism
that causes the collapse (e.g. Penrose's idea about it being
gravitational) and therefore predicts that at some point that
mechanism will kick
On 10 March 2014 17:43, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
or to bet on normal higher level of simulation, like with Böstrom
Could you elaborate?
David
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On 3/10/2014 8:16 AM, Gabriel Bodeen wrote:
The axiomatic of natural numbers is far more simple than anything else. You
can
always propose a much more complex theory to falsify a simple set of axioms.
I don't know that the other cases I've mentioned are more complex. Physicalism
I have 4 pistols tracks in my very large and eclectic MP3 music collection,
along with many others generally called punk.
John Lydon also gave me my all time favourite headline, Sex pistol attacks
New Zealand butter.
I even managed to turn it into a crossword clue -
Enthusiastically attack
On 10 Mar 2014, at 16:16, Gabriel Bodeen wrote:
On Saturday, March 8, 2014 2:37:50 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote:
A couple other accounts of how things might be that I take
seriously are (1) physicalism in the sense that arithmetical
propositions might only be true when physically
On 10 Mar 2014, at 16:28, Terren Suydam wrote:
Question for you Bruno:.
You say (with help from Theaetetus) that 1p experience is given by
Bp p. Yet, our experience is often deluded, as in optical
illusions, or in various kinds of emotional psychological denial.
Can we ever really
Since I have been on the list longer then you I ask are you here to enforce
progressive ideology? If you're pissed off, that's not my fault, that is your
own. I was just elucidating to Liz on her comments to me. I am aware of
technology, but it has to work well and the costs, affordable. No
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:52 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote:
That looks like a pretty crappy match to me. What the hell happened
450 million years ago? And why did the CO2 start to drop 150 million years
ago
Understood. It's not for fixing a bad problem, but for taking more power by
saying there's a bad problem. There probably is, but the behavior of world
leaders is not a response that I would expect, if they really though Florida
was going to disappear in 2 years. There is no cause and effect
On Monday, March 10, 2014 2:08:14 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
That relativism argues against comp, and even implicitly against Church
thesis. But my point is not that comp is true, just that with comp, the
theory QM + comp is redundant, and we have to justify QM (at the least its
Thanks. Do you know the title of the book, in case I get the chance to read
it?
On 11 March 2014 05:20, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
It's this one http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0312059v4.pdf which I think
is his doctoral thesis. He later expanded it into a book.
Brent
On
Actually I assume it's this...
http://www.amazon.com/Decoherence-Quantum---Classical-Transition-Collection/dp/3642071422/ref=sr_1_2?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1394489389sr=1-2keywords=Maximilian+Schlosshauer
Well I will start with the paper. It maye be beyond my brain (no fluffy
kittens).
On 11 March
whoever put Hendrix as a proto punk should on the same basis add Cream and
even the Stones. (At this rate everyone will be in on it...)
Rick Astley ... post punk rocker...
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:45:50 +1300
Subject: Re: The way the future was
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To:
Elvis (not Costello)...
On 11 March 2014 12:00, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com wrote:
whoever put Hendrix as a proto punk should on the same basis add Cream
and even the Stones. (At this rate everyone will be in on it...)
Rick Astley ... post punk rocker...
Electric instruments just amplified what was already here.
Beethoven istm was first in rock, metal, punk etc. all the way to dubstep
department;crystallizing sound's relations with explosive power, defiance,
melancholy or magnificence.
Bach was more goth than punk, I'd guess, especially with the
All sounds very plausible to me, PGC. Especially the Neolithic rockers.
Live fast and die young, indeed...
On 11 March 2014 12:26, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.comwrote:
Electric instruments just amplified what was already here.
Beethoven istm was first in rock, metal, punk
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 00:26:56 +0100
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Electric instruments just amplified what was already here.
Beethoven istm was first in rock, metal, punk etc. all the way to dubstep
Hi PGC
yep. All art, like language, has an etymology.
The Pistols weren't special because they did anything 'new', but because they
did something that challenged the status quo of the time. When it comes to
shocking people The Rite of Spring had the audience rioting at its premier, so
suck
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:48 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
All sounds very plausible to me, PGC. Especially the Neolithic rockers.
Live fast and die young, indeed...
Lol, yeah leather clothing, bones, fire, snakes, demons, goddesess and
breasts, phallic rocks and symbols, body art,
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:59 AM, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.comwrote:
Hi PGC
yep. All art, like language, has an etymology.
The Pistols weren't special because they did anything 'new', but because
they did something that challenged the status quo of the time. When it
comes to
On 3/10/2014 2:35 PM, LizR wrote:
Thanks. Do you know the title of the book, in case I get the chance to read it?
Decoherence and The Quantum-to-Classical Transition Springer
Brent
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Yeah this is why I try to be as eclectic as possible. Working with lots of
young people helps, as I was (far more) in my previous job...
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On 3/10/2014 2:35 PM, LizR wrote:
Thanks. Do you know the title of the book, in case I get the chance to
read it?
Decoherence and The Quantum-to-Classical Transition Springer
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own. I was just
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